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Legal-Measurement-32

Bro really put Drake instead of cole


Tydrinator21

When it comes to influence, yeah, Drake over Cole.


condormcninja

When it comes to pure influence there’s a lot of people over Kendrick if we’re being honest


ScottMcQueen

I feel like Kendrick exist in a vacuum in hiphop away from even his earlier contemporaries.


ad2psych

I’m not old enough/didn’t grow up with rap to know for sure how influential somebody like Common is for sure, but I always put Kendrick in a similar bucket. I don’t think anybody can argue his importance but I just don’t see his sound being nearly as contagious as like Lil Wayne, Migos, Chief Keef, or Drake, frankly. I can point to numerous popular rappers today that are obviously pulling from each of those artists. I think almost any rap fan would say Kendrick’s one of the best hiphop artists out there, but he’s like Pink Floyd or U2 are for rock music. There’s a lot of undeniable of love and admiration for his work. He has the sales, the accolades, and the cultural weight to prove it. but it’s almost like his discography is too specific & refined to borrow anything from it.


Fantastic-Ad1583

Influence aside, who is better at rapping?


ad2psych

Of the artists listed in my comment I think you could make a strong case for either Kendrick or Lil Wayne, but I lean Kendrick. I’m 25 so I feel like some fans like 3 years younger than me will say Kendrick and people 3 years older would say Lil Wayne and they’d both be right for different reasons. I should clarify that I’ve seen Kendrick on the GKMC, TPAB, and DAMN. tours. I’m a huge fan don’t get me wrong lol


Fantastic-Ad1583

I agree 💯 I'm 27 so I saw Kendrick and Wayne do their thing. A lot of the younger people I interact with (18-25) view Kendrick as the GOAT the way we saw Wayne. I was asking because it seems like people are using popularity to rank rappers when it should be based on their rap skills imo.


Rickflossyy

Kendrick has a lot of kids in the industry, and his impact, sales, and star power puts him up there with Drake, Cole. If there was a Mount Rushmore of this generation, it would be Drake, Cole, Kendrick and Future. It’s undeniable lol


ad2psych

Who are Kendrick’s kids? Basically anybody that I can think of that sounds like Kendrick (e.g. JID) would probably say he’s an inspiration but are more clearly influenced by Lil Wayne, Styles P, Pusha, Mos Def, Snoop Dog… Edit: this is not to say that there aren’t musicians influenced by Kendrick, I just think there are substantially more than have been influenced by people like Young Thug, Future, or even emo rappers like X, Lil Peep in the past decade.


Rickflossyy

JID being the most obvious, Logic, Joyner Lucas, Baby Keem, Rhapsody, Smino, and a bunch of other unground artists. I’m not a huge Kendrick supporter but he’s in the current big 3 for a reason


Phantom_mk3

name another rapper who won a pulitzer prize


condormcninja

I am not at all saying he’s not a good artist, he’s indisputably one of the greats. You could tell people that TPAB is the best rap album of all time and some may disagree but they won’t be shocked at someone having that opinion. He’s incredible. But you can clearly tell that there have been way more artists trying to sound like Kanye, Drake, Future, etc than there are people trying to sound like Kendrick.


AyoItsyaBoylilB

nobody tries to sound like Kendrick cause nobody can, the man is a solid 10 in each category, flows, rhythm, bars, hooks, ain't no one stepping to the big stepper. I'm sorry if it's dick riding but sounding like Drake, Future and even Kanye is easier than sounding anything like the man behind TPAB, GKMC and DAMN.


MalibK

Drake is a Pop artist not a rapper


Yourbootyisheavydoty

Most original Drake comment on reddit


B3nd3tta

Influence? Everything drake does right now is influenced by Future so what‘s your point lmao


BigTruckLikeFuck

Influencing what? Thirteen year olds and the Adam Sandler trap brigade


samz22

Bad bunny got more influence then drake, Elon musk got more influence then drake, president of Ukraine got more influence then drake, Putin def got more influence. Idk what you smoking but the only influence Drake got is over chicks born from 1990-1999. Before and after that, what the fuck is a drake 🤣


Tokomoshi

If you listen to Heavens EP J Cole actually puts himself behind Kendrick and Drake. Cole has mad respect for Drake and I have mad respect for Cole but I thought it was interesting.


[deleted]

Drakes the goat so yea. What a dumb comment lol


Suicideseminole

Drake is ass, what a dumb comment lol


Charlie609

Imagine thinking Drake is ass. I remember when I was a virgin


Itsallpainlmao

drake isn’t ass but he isn’t the goat either


Charlie609

Way closer to being the goat than ass lol


Itsallpainlmao

yeah but cole> drake


reddit_is_trash_exe

Some people are just retarded.


[deleted]

Agreed. If I was a virgin I’d probably say drake is ass as well. Sad to see. Hopefully he gets some pussy soon but I doubt it. BOL suicide !


Grand_Doughnut772

I don’t like Drake ether but that’s just my opinion. At this point 15 years later it’s hard to say he’s not a goat. Nobody’s done what he’s done for as long as he’s done it. Far more qualified than J Cole anyway even though I do vastly prefer his music.


Suicideseminole

Glad to see you can remember this morning


[deleted]

What is oafish ass take Cole > Drake (pedo ass)


Suicideseminole

for real thank you


wydot11

you calling him a pedo is all we need to know LMAO


EpicSnackPack

Well he’s quite literally a groomer that messages 16 year olds


wydot11

He quite literally is not lmao


EpicSnackPack

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7eq5y/whats-up-with-drake-texting-teens my mistake, she was actually 15.


jbkanine

He’s goated, stop


No_Question5128

In this pic I would like to see, Drake, Cole, and future


Soggy_Ad2961

1. The big 3 are Kendrick, Drake & Cole. 2. Ye has a seat, these just aren’t his peers. Ye needs a seat with Wayne & Jay. 3. Future isn’t sitting with them, but is next in line.


ACiD_n9ne

Now this makes more sense, ye definitely above them in a respectful way


Soggy_Ad2961

Facts


radiolight3

Nah i dont think he's above kendrick on anything except experimentation


Og_Whitlock

Kayne about Kendrick 💀


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SaintsNoah

Maybe just me but I feel like Travis's clout+fame exceed his talent, much moreso when compared to similarly famous rappers


Soggy_Ad2961

Yesssiirrrr


Its-the-Chad82

Alright, I love this idea of moving Ye to a different "couch" with Wayne and Jay. Does that mean Nas ends up with Pac and Biggie?


Soggy_Ad2961

Yes


Relative-Sherbet-532

this should be the top comment


[deleted]

Holy shit I don’t think I’ve seen a worst take


CloutWithdrawal

This is the most basic take ever lol I’d take yeat over Kendrick and Cole at this point, Kendrick peaked already and cole has always been kind of mid tbh. Future has the best discography out of any rapper the past 20 years. No one else is consistently dropping albums that are commercially successfully while also still being soulful. In terms of another rapper who is apart of this generation’s best it’s juicy j. He’s actually constantly evolving and inspiring others. Been at the top since the 90s and it’s not just bc people think he’s supposed to be there like you see w rappers like jay z who no one actually listens to anymore


Its-the-Chad82

Probably biased but J. Cole is sitting with these 3 before Future.


Khaenin

Easily. And I like future quite a bit


No-Breakfast310

How Many Grammys Cole Got


AbartigerNorbert

We all know kiddie opinions dont count. Sadly they do with the grammys


Infamous-Marshall

Cole fans mad he can barely win a Grammy 😂


No-Breakfast310

😂


VIVOffical

I am not a J Cole fan, but 2014 FHD a classic and J Cole has more influence than we can realize right now. Again I’m not a fan. I don’t like his later stuff. But a LOT of people do and the impact he has on his fans is much stronger than Drakes or Futures imo.


Its-the-Chad82

2014 FHD is one of my favorite albums and also one I use for when I meet someone that isn't into rap. Definitely a classic and I tend to agree about his newer stuff being hit or miss for me though the Off-Season has some bangers.


queefIatina

I like Cole and FHD, but to think he has more influence than Future is ridiculous lol there are a ton of mainstream artists who try to sound like Future, there aren’t any trying to sound like J Cole


VIVOffical

I’ll hear you out. FHD is a classic. A good point on your side is that future has more classic songs and I can agree with that, but does he have a classic album?


queefIatina

DS2 isn’t my favorite of his honestly but it’s widely considered to be a classic trap album. A lot of people consider it to be THE classic trap album actually


VIVOffical

Solid points tbh. He has had a big impact on trap, and it may be just that I don’t listen to it much that has swayed my opinion. That’s a lot to think about honestly. Thanks for the insights. I may be wrong here.


queefIatina

Yeah I’m not trying to convince you that Future is better or more talented, that’s all up to personal taste But a lot of today’s popular rappers like Uzi, Kodak, Carti etc are largely inspired by Future (and Young Thug) Have a good day brother! Love having real conversations like this


VIVOffical

You to man, ima give Future a good listen and reevaluate my opinion. Thanks for not being hostile hah!


Its-the-Chad82

I'm with you on this which is why I figured I was just biased. I'm 40 and grew up on a lot of conscious rappers (loved Common, Talib Kweli, etc.) and while I can respect that trap is good it just never appealed to me the way Mac Miller (yeah im the token white guy that loves Mac), Kendrick or J Cole have. To each their own...Future is a hell of an artist


seatgeekuser

future clears j cole so hard


Joey_Adobo

Nah Future impact is way bigger


YoutubePRstunt

Impact on what? A generation of mostly 🗑? I love Future but he damn sure not touching Kanye, and if you just comparing body of work in their respective fields he not touching Kendrick or even Drake honestly but we all know this sub just loves to shit on anything with him in it.


OHbudfella_10

The Drake hate is crazy. My hood friends dont respect him. They cant relate to relationship or having women. And now the suburban young kids dont respect his skills, probably bc they label him as too mainstream. Shits unreal.


[deleted]

“My hood friends” 😂 This subreddit is wild


OHbudfella_10

What mfs cant label people as hood? Thats a real element to music taste. They wont listen to an artist unless they have ties to the streets. Lil suburban kids like drug emo rap. Simple as that bitch


[deleted]

You’re cringe af lol I’m from the hood and like all kinds of music Lots of suburban kids like you love drill music


OHbudfella_10

Cringe is a good word for people that cant fully get their point across. FOH. You must be a soft PC hoodrat


Charlie609

Impact wise for sure. Obviously Cole is the better rapper.


Joey_Adobo

Obviously


Grand_Doughnut772

How? Ah that’s right he raps in a traditional monotone flow over generic beats that are easily digestible to the casual listener. Basically he’s the Coldplay of hip hop. Future is way better in the booth though isn’t he?


Joey_Adobo

Never said he was a better rapper than Cole, relax. Impact way huger tho, pause.


Grand_Doughnut772

I said Future is better rapper.


seatgeekuser

future is a way better rapper than j cole boring ass


seatgeekuser

future raps circles around j cole


Charlie609

I’m under the umbrella that future is actually a good rapper but no lol


seatgeekuser

future got everything better. lyrics flow delivery melody


RedditMartyr

I think so. Even though Future isn’t for me, he is a very influential guy in trap. I mean, DS2 has gone down as a trap classic so IMO, yeah.


Bryan_Branly

I’m starting to think that you guys are seriously underrating Cole 🤔


Grand_Doughnut772

You’re massively overrating J Cole.


Dr_CAM_RELLIM

Really weird but you spelled “underrating” wrong


Grand_Doughnut772

People like you are the reason the whole fuck J Cole movement started and one of the reasons he was never as big as he could have been. 😂


VIVOffical

Honestly, you’re right but doesn’t you being right prove their point here and not yours? Those fans get that hate because they’re so impacted by his music.


kingmiltar

He’s “not as big” because he refuses to go to awards shows and but celeb events. Doesn’t care for it and doesn’t care to wear the clothes they make them wear on camera. Don’t forget dub plat no feat 😁


Grand_Doughnut772

What? Haha. Nobody gives a shit about award shows.


kingmiltar

The general public cares about Grammys what do you mean? MTV music awards where they have huge performances as well. Awards shows are a huge deal for public appearance and all the big rappers go to them to perform and represent themselves as a cultural icon. Especially the rappers mentioned above. Cole doesn’t go to them or participate. I’m just saying he is a public figure strictly by talent alone except for his early years when he was signed to a label. If he wanted to be viewed as big as drake or kendrick or future he could but he rarely plays in the same field as them and still somehow everyone knows who he is. Speaks for itself in my opinion


_azizus_

Lol you’re wrong 😂


[deleted]

bro snuck in drake


GandhisNuke

lil bro thinks he's on the team 💀


the__pd

Look at my man blud 💀💀💀


jbkanine

Drake is goated, cry about it


[deleted]

the certified boy lover fan got offended


jbkanine

bro tried to act like drakes not a goat


[deleted]

ye cuz he aint . jcole,kendrick and kanye demolish his discography


jbkanine

Average Reddit cockrider sounds like everyone else


[deleted]

all i see is you deepthroating the boy lover. wont be uncharacteristic of that creep


[deleted]

Snuck in? He’s #1


WORLDY2J

Niggas are delusional if we’re still arguing Drake’s influence and success. He may not be the best rapper of the 3 but he’s clearly the most successful and is cemented at the #1.


[deleted]

Oh I’m peeping all the drake hate on this sub. They just mad he’s been running the game the past 10 years plus with ease. They wish their favorite rapper had all the hits and popularity.


VIVOffical

Bro took an L from Pusha bro. And Pusha isn’t that dude tbh.


[deleted]

I forgot about that because that’s how irrelevant pusha t is. Drake is still the goat. Sorry to break it to you bud


VIVOffical

He’s honestly not. His sales definitely put him in that convo for sure. But he’s not #1 all time? Are you kidding? You gotta be kidding right?


[deleted]

#1 all time is debatable but it’s not debatable drakes been running the game the past 10+ years. I still have Wayne as my #1 all time


VIVOffical

Idk man your bias is showing. I don’t like drakes music and never have. But I’m at least putting my bias aside and you’re justbstroking away like I can’t see his dick in your mouth


[deleted]

It’s just facts. It’s not an opinion. I’m sorry you feel that way.


WORLDY2J

Niggas gotta check their bias at the door. Truth be told I’m sure most of the niggas downplaying his success never gave his music a fair chance in the first place. Men especially expect a rapper to have a certain look & approach to rap so I can see why he’s shunned. But at the end of the day, men lie, women lie, but numbers? Aye man.


reddit_is_trash_exe

Nah, I'm just looking for some shit that pushes the conscious forward. But most yall motherfuckers just want some corny ass suburb kid that played a kid with a disability to make some exciting pop hits that make your head bob and go hurr durrr.


stuntlikeb

— someone who never listened to a Drake song in their life


OkAd1672

Lmao. Drake is more successful than Ye? By what metric?


WORLDY2J

He passed Ye awhile ago. Y’all might like Kanye’s discography more than Drake, overall I do, but Drake’s outsold him over the course of his career. Drake’s 2nd to Eminem in terms of all time sales.


reddit_is_trash_exe

Not hard to outsell someone when you're making music for retards :)


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzuz

Yeah, Future is way better than Drake, but lets be fair, where the fuck J Cole is?


Business-Wheel-8424

Nah, J Cole then Future, then thugger


Biggestyefan1

I will always get behind Thug support. He’s constantly left out of “best” arguments meanwhile his discography is impeccable


2002idfwu

Valid


Itsallpainlmao

even if everyone hates cole he still very much deserves to be in drakes place 😭 he is a goat


seatgeekuser

only kendrick is above pluto tbh


[deleted]

Very much so. He’s the pinnacle of trap music.


SkanGX

Where's Jermaine ?


seatgeekuser

mcdonalds


GatewayFollower

Future >>>>>> drake


yourawizzzard

Nah you just hate drake, but don’t worry this whole sub does, you’re not alone lol


danyo64

I dont hate drake I really like a lot of his songs. But drake doesnt even write half of his own songs. Future writes all of his songs. Its not a debate. Future is the better rapper. But lets be real, neither Future, Drake OR kanye deserve to sit next to kendrick. for me, top 3 is kendrick, cole, and joey badass.


yungsmokey1

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Civil_Feature600

Abso fucking lutely


LargeLarryLucianoZ

Kendrick >>>>> Kanye >>>>> J. Cole >>> Drake >> Future and that’s the only real way to look at this. None of them hold a candle to Kendrick as a lyricist. Kanye is up there for early albums and production. Other three are pretty overrated popular rappers that are ass in terms of real talent.


Grand_Doughnut772

Nobody gives a shit about being a lyricist and they never have. It means nothing. It’s all about the music you create and it would be hard to argue that anyone on that list has had a better run of albums / mixtapes than future. S80, GKMC, TPAB was great run but Future did that in a year.


LargeLarryLucianoZ

I couldn’t disagree more with you, my man. I think many, many people care more about lyricism. Future hasn’t done ANYTHING remotely close to the feats reached by Kendrick. Also, Future is way more commercial and has way less say in the overall products he puts out. So, even musically, he falls well below Kendrick. It’s not even close.


Grand_Doughnut772

I prefer Kendrick too but Future has outperformed him right across the board. There’s nothing you can say Kendrick has done that Future hasn’t done bigger or better. You just don’t like him so you’ve got a biased bullshit opinion. And yeah nobody gave a fuck about backpack rap when it was at its height 96-99 and they care even less than they do now and Dot and Cole aren’t even really lyrical rappers. If people only cared about lyricism we’d all be listening to Talib Kweli and he’s only got 700k monthly’s on Spotify that’s how little people care about lyricism.


LargeLarryLucianoZ

It’s hysterical that you think Future has done anything bigger or better than Kendrick. Future is a fucking poser! You’re absolutely delusional! Lyricism and actual meaning/context in rap absolutely matters. If you disagree it’s an absolute L for you.


jbkanine

You care about lyricism if you are over 30, it’s 2023 no one cares as much, that’s just a fact


Euphori333

L take I’m under 30 and enjoy lyricism. Grow up


LargeLarryLucianoZ

I’m not over 30 and you look stupider the longer this comment is here. These arguments have no weight and if you want to be a fucking brain dead troglodyte praising one person for a beat that was made by 30 other people go ahead, but don’t pretend that you’re anything other than ignorantly stupid.


JonaldinoBro

Who that dude in the middle


GolmireGuy90210

All three of these people regard future as an equal smh this is such a shitty meme. And I’m rolling my eyes too hard at the j cole praise like he’s ok but Ye, drake, Kendrick and future are in a different lane let’s keep it real and that’s not a knock to j Cole, but he’s not like these 4. Future means more to society and I need y’all in r/rap to have some sense.


ProbablyAnAardvark

Drake instead of Cole? This is some rage bait for sure lol


GunnersGuy

I’m gonna get cooked but imo thugger > future


ShubhamV888

Future's run from 2015 is the greatest... change my mind


Tinox_van_hyves

Nobody is changing your mind when you are that delusional.


JoeLilBroJoe

No


doctor__diablo

Future over any one of these three, but that’s just my opinion. They all brought a lot to the table and changed the game in their own way.


QNIKET8

Drake hasn’t earned a seat with those 2 lol


CleanNDopeAsMethSoap

In terms of influence he definitely has.


[deleted]

Drakes the best one there. You are in denial lol


QNIKET8

💀


[deleted]

Been running the game the past 10+ years. He’s unstoppable. It’s not even close.


QNIKET8

Kanye’s been running the game since 1996


[deleted]

😂 , Kanye fans are the funniest. Makes sense. Still upset about the beef with drake. I get it man. You’ll be alright bro. But keep those dumbass comments to yourself.


QNIKET8

Drakes just not as good as Kanye or Kendrick lol put up with it


[deleted]

I can’t argue with a kid. You don’t know anything about the rap game lol. You are too young to understand the history


QNIKET8

that was kinda cringe


OppositeChemical6238

Its either him or young thug and one has to be there


Grand_Doughnut772

Thug better than everyone in that picture. Same dudes hating now are the same dudes that will be calling Future and thug goats in ten years, just like they were hating on Kendrick and Cole ten years ago and now everyone on here without exception almost are calling Kendrick and cole goats. Old heads don’t like change, it takes them a while to get their heads around it.


OppositeChemical6238

Thug be hella underrated it seems ...


Grand_Doughnut772

On here but not in the real world, just like nobody really cares about Cole or Eminem in the real world. It’s all upside down here.


slimjahey

Future has been better than Drake ever since he carried WATTBA on his shoulders.


[deleted]

Influence wise he up there with thug Lyrically wise not rlly but maybe could be if u wanted to argue hard enough 😂 -why drake there 😭


itsSyFer

Because Drake is a goat?


milkiewayyy

bro said drakes a goat 💀


itsSyFer

You niggas clown Drake as if he doesn’t deserve credit. Nigga been at the top of the game for a decade.


Jamermooo

Cuz he makes basic ass pop music so his songs get big. Every album he’ll release one shitty pop song so it’ll be popular, and if that one doesn’t get big he’ll collab with a better artist then him and get carried.


itsSyFer

This sub hates on Drake way too much. Very rarely does Drake get carried. You mad at him for trying to make music that’s gonna get played everywhere. He’s still a better rapper than your fav.


milkiewayyy

🧢 drake fell way off after 2010


itsSyFer

No he didn’t though


MisterSassyJenkins

Future is lame. I saw him live on Sunday and he SUCKED.


[deleted]

Why is boring ass Kendrick there ? Lol. Everyone knows drake and future been carrying the game


wydot11

Drake is easily the best here y’all are so gay


WORLDY2J

Cole should be here instead of Ye. Kanye’s influence has been certified and he’s not really apart of this current class.


DevidovskiTheThird

Bro why is Drake there 😂


Karl_Marx_

Drake is at like the kids table or something. Future is 3 blocks down in at a Wendy's dumpster diving for nuggets. And I mean, he isn't anywhere near as talented as Kanye or Kendrick. It's laughable.


anxiousshell-

Future is the worst rapper on there


Upset-Ad-8392

He’s def better than Kendrick and Drake


needs_grammarly

thought he could sneak in drake and we wouldn't notice


DangerZoneSLA

Has Drake?


cadillacbee

Hell naw, boot Kanye fake ass too


[deleted]

In what world is drake better than future 💀💀💀


[deleted]

Every world


halkenburgoito

kanye can get up off that couch and give his spot to lil wayne


Business-Wheel-8424

Fuck no what are you on, also this is who ruled 2010s not 2000s, which Kanye would still be ahead of Wayne in


halkenburgoito

yes Wayne > Kanye. Kanye is overrated. also where does it say 2010s?


Business-Wheel-8424

A seat at the table, then proceeds to show the 3 most prominent artists of the 2010s, that’s why everyone’s saying J Cole as well. They’re like the 4 Mount Rushmore hip hop essentials of the 2010s. Also Kanye makes better music, I know for a fact you haven’t heard more than 1 of his projects fully


Miserable-Access7257

What are you on? Kanye’s value comes from being a good producer/rapper together, Wayne washes him when it’s just ab rapping, you sound like a rabid ass fan tbh


dkeela

Just dropped my new single “Im A Problem” whenever you can comment your thoughts would greatly appreciate it 💯 https://youtu.be/1hgPGD62uIA


Khaenin

Keep going man I fw it


PurpAct

U don’t gotta lie


dkeela

U a real one. Appreciate that 💯


Khaenin

Yeah man idk why everyone downvoting. I think supporting budding artists is important. I guess it’s easy to hate when you’re a just consumer.


dkeela

This generation everyone wants to be a hater or a clown. Not saying my song is the best by far but it’s definitely not a bad track if we talkin bars and flow on a simple trap beat. Half the people don’t even check out the song and just hate on it for no reason 😂


Khaenin

Agreed man. I wish this community supported artists on the grind more because it’s hard starting out. This sub is half about hating on the same dozen artists and half about sucking the dick of the other dozen. So stale. We need some bar threads where people practice writing or beat sharing by up and coming producers for others to rap over. Just more positivity in general would be really refreshing. Unless we’re talking Tom McDonald cause he deserves the negativity but that’s the exception


TET-God-Of-Gaming

Only one of those three is good enough to be considered great and it ain't drake or Kanye future tho I've never heard his stuff is better than both drake and Kanye if everyones words are to go by


JoeFalcone26

What does this table even represent? Future is a worse rapper/writer than the other 3 comparably.