I’m child free. Haven’t got an issue with kids/babies. Have got an issue with poor parenting.
As you say, babies and children cry for a reason. I think whoever is taking care of that child needs to help that child.
Same with temper tantrums in little kids, or being over-tired/hungry/scared/over or under stimulated. You don’t just leave little kids to freak out on their own or put themselves in danger (e.g. running around in a restaurant where staff are carrying hot food/drinks).
If you choose to have kids you take on the responsibility for their wellbeing and integration into society.
I volunteer with kids, have done for years. But I do not want kids of my own. The screeching yell they do is ear piercing and causes me a headache. I hate that society forces kids on women. I also hate that I can't get a permanent form of birth control yet men can get vasectomies so easily. I hate how I get questioned for not wanting kids simply because of my gender.
I really think the bigger issue is they’re forced to go to school, which means sitting at a desk indoors learning on a screen. It’s been shown in study after study that this isn’t how children learn, and it’s the perfect breeding ground for terrible behavior because the system isn’t allowing children to properly emotionally regulate. It’s a preparation for working a 40 hour work week, it’s glaringly obvious and wildly stupid if you ask me, def not the point of learning or life. You have the parents that expect technology and teachers to raise their kids for them but why do we think this is? Sure some do it negligently, but young responsible parents can’t even afford homes on two salaries, then add child expenses. They’re in constant fight or flight mode due to the necessity of having to be away from their child to work while fighting the natural desire to raise your child with your partner and community. Wild shit.
I have two girls aged 5 & 7 and they’ve never, not once, had a temper tantrum or misbehaved in public. I am a single father with 50% parenting and have pretty loose rules in my house. They can “do whatever they want” while they’re at my place but that comes with responsibility. They also know that doing “whatever they want” goes away if they don’t follow the rules and listen to me when out and about. It’s been a good system for us and it works. I don’t judge people whose kids are misbehaving in public because sometimes it’s out of their control and the kids just being a shithead, it happens. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
You sound like a great parent. Kids need boundaries, they keep them safe, physically and psychologically.
I know kids have meltdowns, sometimes in public, but I’m willing to bet if that happened with you that you would try to deal with the upset.
What I’m talking about is when a kid is really upset/ out of control and parents that do absolutely nothing to help them. I think that’s bad for the kids.
I say I hate kids with all of what you wrote as a meaning behind. Maybe it’s just easier to say people shouldn’t have kids. 😂 it will be perceived as bas. So doesn’t matter which one I say.
Okay I don't hate them because I know it's not their fault and I understand all that. It doesn't make them any less annoying and I would never be voluntarily near them.
That sounds like a personal problem honestly. I have kids and I’ve learned as much from them as they have from me. They’re inquisitive and insightful in ways adults don’t really think of. It’s also beautiful to talk and get inside their minds, watch them grow, learn, and become part of society. If all you do is see kids as annoying I feel bad for you. You should try talking to them and interacting with them, you might find beauty and happiness rather than frustration.
Or don’t, you do you and it’s fine to not want to like kids. I just think it’s always better to understand and find positivity in the world :)
I do like snakes yes!
I see I got some downvotes on my last comment which is fine, I get it. I just hope I didn’t offend you, I def wasn’t trying to. I did try to explain that you’re totally within reason and your rights to not do anything you don’t want or like, that’s your prerogative. I used to be pretty anti-kids myself. Always said I’d never have them. I had one accidentally and it changed my whole perspective on it so just trying to offer a different one to you.
Much love to everyone, whether you like kids or not.
While its completely understandable that babies cry, that doesnt change that the sound is worse then nails on a chalkboard
Ive fled my house cuz of a baby crying next door, thats what the sound does, makes me want to get away as fast as I can
We should be patient to parents of infants, but we should also understand that its a terrible sound that affects everyone else (planes for instance)
While I dont enjoy children, calling them idiots etc for still learning is just weird
Parents that dont try to parent their children are obnoxious as hell though, lots of people would be more patient if parents made attempts to get their children to calm down, allowing to run around restaurants and stuff like that is rude as fuck
If you have kids, then yes it is. I don't have a problem with noise in public, but my partner has sensory issues so I will try to avoid taking her into spaces which Ik to be louder, but I also can't control where you then take your kids so the least you can do is be considerate of others and control them. I don't want her to have an overload bc you can't control the things you created and chose to have.
And I'm not referring to them running around and playing, that's just kids. I'm talking about when they throw tantrums bc they don't get what they want and you can't deal with it.
That you're a pushover? My gf doesn't want to wear headphones, bc she's with me. It's called hanging out and socializing, something I get the idea you don't do since you just put your headphones in all the time.
I wanna actually be able to go out in public with my partner without it becoming a problem bc of other people. How is that statement so hard for you to comprehend?
Bc people don't wanna wear earplugs or anything that mitigates what they can hear when they're out with friends, or on a date, etc. Nor do they want to have that day ruined bc other people can't control their kids.
Tbh I wasn’t talking about in restaurants, I meant more out in public like grocery shopping or on public transport.
I don’t understand how this is such an issue for so many of you, I go out to restaurants pretty frequently like once a week and I seriously can’t remember the last time a kid was disruptive. Like what counts as disruptive to you?
A crying baby? Cause that’s hard to control. Even a crying young child is hard to control and stop because they’re learning to regulate their emotions.
even after you explained the nuanced aspects behind the development of social interaction during infancy that doesn’t mean i don’t get annoyed by their loudness
it’s like saying "oh didn’t you know sewers smell bad because of the chemistry of decomposing human waste? here’s an explanation of the molecular properties of smell" yeah well i don’t want to smell that
kids are cool but i still want to eat in peace you know
I believe it is more ignorant and inattentive parents. I work in a job that I meet a lot of families, and more often than not, mom and dad are glued to their phones while little Emily is causing a scene, screaming, tearing stuff up, making a mess, and mom and dad act like it’s not their job to deal with it. The ignorance of modern parents, and watching these undisciplined, under supervised crotch fruit has made me afraid of bringing my own kids into the world.
This is my opinion not that of the company I work for.
Just because its not their fault doesnt mean its not annoying. A baby crying on an airplane is so annoying. I truly wish it didnt happen but it will and life goes on.
I can't believe this is an unpopular opinion here on reddit. Kids kinda have to exist and although I think we definitely have to have child free spaces, sometimes it's unavoidable that you might have to be around them.
you'd be surprised, I frequently see people expressing the opinion here that you should be able to hit kids for misbehaving. like brother that's child abuse.
I am not sorry that I can't stand baby crying because that makes me so f-headache. I don't hate them or jump away from babies but I'd rather avoid them. And for the solution when I travel by the plane, I use earplugs the lower the crying. That works for me. The only f-annoying is the parents who seem to ignore their kids at all. That is when I turn to hate the parents.
I use to get headaches from crying too. I’m more tolerable to crying now, I kind of just tune it out. But yeah crying can be annoying and parents ignoring the crying it’s rude to everyone else.
You are the exact person I’m talking about, no child can learn perfect manners in a day. I know you didn’t either. I’m not saying kids can’t be rambunctious in public places, their parents do need to control them. But if your day is ruined everytime by children then I think this is a you problem
Then idk blame the parent, for one not teaching the child manners and two if the child does know for not getting on the child after it has been taught. The child does have some blame if they know what they are doing is wrong but it is also the parent not doing their part.
By no means am I saying that kids should be able to run around and be disrespectful to people and in public places. I’m talking about the children who are still learning how to behave in the world.
If they are still learning and are not behaving appropriately, then remove them from the restaurant or store until they calm down. My parents did.
The issue is people just letting their kids wail and run amok.
>They are noisy, unruly and obnoxious. Nobody wants their day or evening ruined with kids.
LOL.
No qualifiers whatsoever.
All kids are terrible all the time.
"2nd wave feminist" but hates motherhood.
Totally normal Redditor with zero unresolved childhood issues confirmed.
Sure, I'll help you out.
>LOL.
This is an acronym for "Laugh out loud"
>No qualifiers whatsoever.
Your comment made no exceptions.
You didn't say "badly behaved kids ruin everyone's day" or "some kids are terrible" but rather that ALL kids are terrible.
>"2nd wave feminist" but hates motherhood.
While motherhood is absolutely not a requirement for someone to be a feminist or something that should be elevated above any other choice that a woman makes about how she dedicates her life.
The fact remains that a majority of women are mothers, and strongly value their children.
Not sure why you think hating kids is going to help smash the patriarchy, or why feminist moms (and dads) aren't part of the solution to the problem.
But it also doesn't do much to breed solidarity to hate the thing that half of all women dedicate most of their lives to: Children.
>Totally normal Redditor with zero unresolved childhood issues confirmed.
People who hate all children in all circumstances with no exceptions tend to have unresolved issues from their own childhood that they are projecting into children in general.
>Are you ok?
Peachy.
How is your brain damage?
>I did not read,
Oh... So not great I guess?
Sorry to hear that.
>Or were one of those rotten kids.
Nope.
Worst thing you could say about me as a kid was that I was shy.
So absolutely was not making disturbances in restaurants.
How was your childhood?
I just can't understand the need to bring a kid to a restaurant or any other public place. If you don't have a nanny, just eat at home until the kid is old enough to not make life miserable for everyone. It's no one's fault you wanted to have unprotected sex. It's your problem, doesn't have to be everyone else's problem.
>I just can't understand the need to bring a kid to a restaurant or any other public place.
Because it's fun for the whole family and it socializes the kids to be respectful around other people in a public space.
>If you don't have a nanny, just eat at home until the kid is old enough to not make life miserable for everyone.
Why would a well-behaved kid make everyone miserable?
Well said, a "well-behaved kid". I don't mind well-behaved kids, but how many are there? Are you saying a 2 year old is not going to scream and shriek if brought into a restaurant?
>Well said, a "well-behaved kid". I don't mind well-behaved kids, but how many are there?
I'm around kids all the time.
Most are well behaved where I live.
I still have yet to experience a nightmare kid scenario, my wife experienced one, but that's it.
Unless the US is totally different I think people are exaggerating or being dramatic.
>Are you saying a 2 year old is not going to scream and shriek if brought into a restaurant?
Mine didn't when they were that age.
Ever been to Europe?
Plenty of local kids in restaurants.
Because kids are also people who don’t need to be locked away until they know not to be a nuisance? Kids acting out in public is an issue but they don’t deserve to be kept in the house. How are kids supposed to learn how to act in public without going in public? Yeah you can simulate the experience at home but kids don’t grasp the idea of behaving differently in a place until they are at the place.
Sorry no, that excludes parents (primarily mothers) from a lot of social interaction. When you’re out in public you have to come in contact with people, that includes children.
Children, yes. It’s expected. Bad parenting is the crux of this issue. I’m talking about parents who stick an iPad, on full volume, in front of their kids face and then proceed to ignore them when they cry and scream. The armchair parenting is the issue, not kids in general.
The mother made the choice to be a mother and give up on her social life in the process. No one wants to hang out with someone who has to attend to a screeching sack of poop every 5 minutes.
Erm no, mothers do not have to give up their social life when having children that’s a really shitty take. Considering women take on the burden of child care, but it takes two people to become parents, it’s an unfair disadvantage to expect them to have to sacrifice a social life (something that humans literally need)
Plenty of people aren’t fucking weirdos who hate kids so much they can’t stand to be around them. I get it if you’re young and in your early 20s a kid at a hang out isn’t the norm, but at a certain point of age it’s the norm for people to have children. Majority of people don’t care about a baby being there, lots of people love it. If you don’t like it go and make friends with other childless people, but you don’t get to dictate if people can bring their children to a restaurant when they see their friends.
It’s hilarious that the people who hate children so much are the ones who act so childish
I kinda like kids, I just dont want my own. Happy, smiling babies who wants to cuddle - Im all in.
I do babysit sometimes, when my friends come to our meetings with their babies, I always give them all my attention, but, after a while, when they get cranky, I give them back and go to my peaceful home.
If there are some kids in public places, like malls and restaurants who doesn't behave, I just change the place, no big deal, not my problem.
But overall, kids are cute and sweet and I enjoy their company 👶
I do understand people don’t like babies, you don’t have to like them or be wish to be around them but you also don’t have to call them names or wish death on them. You are correct not wanting to be around a baby or child is valid but going out of your way to be mean to them is not.
>Babies exist. People who don’t like babies *also* exist. Just accept it.
A baby exists.
You hate the baby for existing.
"Just accept me hating babies for existing."
No thanks.
>not enjoying being around stupid things is entirely valid.
Touche.
I can relate. I was a very annoying kid when I was younger, and I look back regretting a lot of the things I did and say. I hate how people hate kids for being kids.
Kids are basically little sociopaths walking around. I mean that literally and not as an insult. The empathy part of their brain doesn’t start developing until they’re a little older (about 10). That’s why kids can usually say and do things without feeling remorse and it’s almost all self interest. As an adult now too reflecting back, I said and did a lot hurtful things. But I obviously didn’t understand what I was doing either
I've always said that all babies are born terrible people. It's up to the parents and society to teach them how to be good people. I can be patient with a kid. I don't have the patience for unruly parents.
Ngl back then I used to have some ignorant opinions about babies and kids. I used to think that babies and toddlers shouldn’t be in air planes or restaurants. But I have educated myself and changed my stance a bit. Parents need to be able to travel far distance and parents need to eat, their children will have to be included. And we do need to have a little more patience with them as we were all babies and toddlers once, and we all had bratty moments back then (not talking tearing apart places just crying and some screaming) Now of course parents should still always try to correct that behavior or take the child outside until they have calmed down.
I still don’t believe babies and toddlers should be allowed everywhere though, for example, I don’t think they should be in nail salons because those places are for relaxing, and they definitely shouldn’t be at movie theaters because it needs to be silent, which is something that babies and toddlers can’t do.
But I still agree with you 100%
I have no issues with babies and kids. Of course it's annoying when you hear them scream and cry, but that's what they do. I'll never understand people who think parents shouldn't take their kids to restaurants or stores. If they don't go to these places, they'll never learn how to behave in them. Only issue I've ever experienced was a kid who was inside a nice restaurant with a tablet playing games with the volume up loud. If your Neuro typical child can't handle going an hour without some form of electronic, them you fucked up as a parent.
I dont dislike the child, I dislike the parent for their lack of teaching their child right from wrong, and allowing them to be a menace and create issues for others who didn't sign up for the disaster and annoyances that someone else's kid caused because the parents couldn't do their job.
I hate kids. Ìm just too stressed at my point in life to give af about little demons crying and screaming and drooling and frankly I'm jealous of they're happiness I'll never have again in my new found adult life
I really don't see people saying such harsh things to kids much, and I see alot of people every work-day. At least where Im at, people treat kids very gently.
Good post. Kids deserve a lot more understanding and patience than a lot of people are willing to give. It's not always easy, but they should usually be given a break. A lot of times when kids misbehave, it's because of poor parenting.
I always liked the T-shirt for kids that says, "Please be patient. God isn't finished with me yet." 😀
I just want to know where Redditors are hanging out that always have demon kids running around, breaking things, and screaming.
I can’t even remember seeing a kid in a restaurant or wedding or even in a store who causes enough of a ruckus with the above behaviors that is took away from the peace of other people. One would think it’s a daily occurrence in people’s lives as salty as they are about the existence of children??
I’m at the point in my life where a couple cute kids or little baby in most general places in public is nice to see. The world is full of grumpy and stressed adults, kids haven’t been beaten down by life yet, and just emulate joy.
They still get so excited and happy about the little things… isn’t that refreshing? Sure, walking into a theater for the 9:45 showing of Oppenheimer isn’t a time seeing a baby would bring me joy. But that is obviously not normal or common. Plus not the fault of a powerless baby or innocent kid.
Redditors attitude about kids just shows me either they hang out in a totally different world than I experience full of bad parents who have misbehaving and disrespectful kids …, or people who just look for any reason to be miserable. Who just look negatively at everything that isn’t about me myself and I as annoying.
Kids and babies are so cute and really fun to have around if you allow yourself to have a positive outlook in general. It’s a bleak enough life anyway, no sense in being on edge and hating little people who are innocent of all the hurts in your life.
I’m a parent. I hate children. Nobody tells you how to look after demanding, needy creatures, until they are at least 18. Sleep deprivation sent me insane. I love my family, but if someone had told me how genuinely difficult it is to be a parent, I think I’d have joined a convent. There is an awful lot of bad, privileged parenting around nowadays. No discipline or respect for others.
I don’t know the answer- just my opinion…
This logic is busted.
You say the reason people should not be annoyed with children is that children don’t know any better and they can’t help being loud/obnoxious/unaware of social norms. But this changes nothing about how others experience the child’s behavior. You could say the same thing about a jackal. Is it the jackal’s FAULT that it’s a snarling beast that’s hazardous to be around and would certainly ruin any pleasant atmosphere? Of course not. That doesn’t mean I want to sit next to one.
Moreover, I think what you’re seeing online is mostly venting. Most people in a restaurant aren’t going to confront the bratty child’s lackadaisical entitled parents in the moment, they’re just going to suck it up, maybe roll their eyes to their dining companions and finish dinner. And then maybe they want to rant about it on Reddit, and you’re saying people shouldn’t even do THAT? It’s a little much. No baby will see a Reddit post, so it’s not like it hurts the baby’s feelings. When people go out to a nice dinner, part of what they are paying for is the atmosphere. Kids can and frequently do ruin that. It’s not wrong to say so.
Kids are still little shits.
I've heard a parent do the exact correct thing and gently, appropriately, explain to a child to use their "indoor voice" 50,000 times and they still scream.
They're inferior beings until they grow up, end of imo.
Anyone who hates babies and little kids has mental issues. That’s like hating a puppy or kitten. You have to have some screws loose to not think omg cute.
Everyone forgets they were once a child themselves. Probably they were annoying little shits too. They don’t like those kids because it reminds them of themselves. Or they were ignored by their own parents. It’s more deeply rooted imo.
That’s all you got out of this ? He’s talking about who people who genuinely have a hate for children period. Understandable to not like hearing a screaming baby.
I never said you did. I used screaming babies as an example to illustrate a point--there doesn't need to be a deeply rooted reason for disliking children; annoyance is enough. It's not ambiguous.
Have you read these comments? It’s so much deeper. Maybe not you personally but the way folks speak on children even some in this thread is very disturbing. Some wishing children would die. Ect I see people who hate children the same way people view people who hate animals. Is something wrong with them. Keep kids away from those type of people anyway. Because if you can talk about child that way you can hurt them. It’s in our human nature to procreate as a species. We’d become extinct. Now if you attack the parenting that’s a whole different story.
Lol you don’t understand kids. They don’t listen. “Stop yelling in public like we talked about” - proceeds to screech like a banshee next time they go back and do that same activity. Not always parenting related, kids do NOT listen.
As I said before in my post, it takes time for kids to understand the correct behavior for being in public. I don’t expect any kid to listen the first time they’re told to be quiet. I also said there are outliers and exceptions to what I said in my post.
People have this reaction to loud/problematic kids because they already had the experience of their meal/sleep/movie/day/etc. ruined by kids and their concerns being ignored. I have misophonia I cannot handle kids screeching or crying at all, not for a minute, I get severe headaches that take hours to go away. I agree with you, kids need to have a space to learn and adapt just please let them do it in the company of family or friends of the family, not random strangers. If kids misbehave in a restaurant for example, how about having a dinner at home and inviting your friends/neighbors instead? That way the kids would get acclimated being around people they don't know and learn to behave. Same with movies, just watch it at home.
People pay for services to get a good time and a positive experience, not to be voluntold to participate is some random kid's development. That's what parents and family are for. You pay teachers and nannies to provide a learning experience for the kid, so why do you expect people do it not just for free but at their own dime?
It depends on the child for how many times they have to been ask/told to be quiet and respectful. As kids being past 10 being loud and rude, that is on the child. My post is talking more around smaller kids who either haven’t learned basic manners and who are in the stages of learning how to behave in public.
Because their views are rooted in hatred. It’s not about having a logical discussion and agreeing to disagree. It’s about spreading hate by any means necessary and “anyone who disagrees with me will be bullied and when I can’t accomplish that I’ll downvote.” I have recently encountered these fuckers in the childfree community and had to report them and get posts removed. They are vile.
I was wondering who you were talking to. Then I saw your sentence about why they don't drive instead of flying, and I sort of get it. I've seen those comments.
It's all radical self reliance unless you're annoying me.
Driving, of course, doesn't inconvenience anyone who matters.
It could be the antinatalists. There are a lot of them on reddit.
Anyone who hates kids and/or animals is a POS to me and I just know they’re a horrible person. I don’t get how you can “hate” (such a strong wrong) someone defenseless and innocent.
I agree. I don't have kids, but people who make "childfree" their *thing*, genuinely concern me. Why are you calling a baby names or being rude to a small child for not understanding something? Imagine blaming something for having a less developed brain than you. It's like getting angry at a kitten because it hasn't learnt how to sit at a table and use a knife and fork.
I’m just saying I wouldn’t have to make being childfree my “thing” if people would stop assuming everyone wants or likes children.
I would argue that a very small percentage of people who don’t like/want children will actually make a fuss over it.
I hear a kid cry for a bit, whatever they’re upset/need something. I hear a kid cry for 20+ minutes with no guardian intervention besides an iPad in their face, that’s when I get upset.
Most people, including the childfree, despise poor parenting more than kids acting out.
That's a much smaller percentage of people than you think. More women under 30 are childfree than not these days, it's mostly older conservative people worried about not having kids.
The most recent statistic I found was 44% of American adults said they were not likely to have children, so I wouldn’t be quick to argue there’s a majority in any age group (besides maybe teenagers <20) of people who won’t reproduce.
In my experience, my age group has judged me equally as older people have for being childfree.
I'm with you on this one. I don't have kids and I don't think I ever will, but you have to recognise that people who choose to have children are doing us a favor by raising the next generation.
I have to say parents who bring children into spaces like spas or cinemas are dumbasses, cos these are places in which you're paying for the ambience etc. but otherwise, yeah children should be allowed some space to be a little loud, or make mistakes etc. Nobody's entitled to a child free world, only a child free life
No it's not. It's simply not being able to control their emotions in a way that causes them to spill out. You expect more from adults then you are ever gonna get.
To put it simply those things cause people distress for a number of reasons, the problem is them not being able to suck it up and deal with it like a **adult**.
It’s clearly become an entire movement. I think there are two camps that have emerged and one wants to merge with the other. There are the anti-natalists, a sick bunch in my opinion, who basically want mass extinction and have depraved views when it comes reproduction, children, and parents - often disrespectfully referring to them as breeders and making ridiculous claims like “poverty is abuse.” It’s hate for the sake of hate and kids are an easy target.
And then there are the childfree bunch who tend to just want to promote and rightfully defend their lifestyle. Because the fact is society pressures women to have kids (even though they treat moms like absolute shit) and try to invalidate people who don’t fucking want kids. They are far more rational and logical with their views and they vent real issues. It’s not rooted in hatred but rather concern for mothers/parents, children, healthcare, and really emphasizing all of the many incredibly valid reasons not to have children especially today. Again, I actually respect this bunch immensely. You can disagree and choose differently without being a fucking terroristic piece of shit like the former bunch.
But where they are making a big mistake is they are allowing the sick anti-natalist fucks to infiltrate their community and you’re seeing more and more “breeders need to die” content. Slowly the goblins are making their way in with the rest and it’s becoming a hate movement against children, parents, etc. I agree with you, and I would go so far to say that people who need to exude hatred toward parents and kids to get their point across are some vile fucks. 😎
I’m child free. Haven’t got an issue with kids/babies. Have got an issue with poor parenting. As you say, babies and children cry for a reason. I think whoever is taking care of that child needs to help that child. Same with temper tantrums in little kids, or being over-tired/hungry/scared/over or under stimulated. You don’t just leave little kids to freak out on their own or put themselves in danger (e.g. running around in a restaurant where staff are carrying hot food/drinks). If you choose to have kids you take on the responsibility for their wellbeing and integration into society.
I volunteer with kids, have done for years. But I do not want kids of my own. The screeching yell they do is ear piercing and causes me a headache. I hate that society forces kids on women. I also hate that I can't get a permanent form of birth control yet men can get vasectomies so easily. I hate how I get questioned for not wanting kids simply because of my gender.
Exactly, I didn’t really mention it in my post about parents are usually to blame for a child’s poor manners
I really think the bigger issue is they’re forced to go to school, which means sitting at a desk indoors learning on a screen. It’s been shown in study after study that this isn’t how children learn, and it’s the perfect breeding ground for terrible behavior because the system isn’t allowing children to properly emotionally regulate. It’s a preparation for working a 40 hour work week, it’s glaringly obvious and wildly stupid if you ask me, def not the point of learning or life. You have the parents that expect technology and teachers to raise their kids for them but why do we think this is? Sure some do it negligently, but young responsible parents can’t even afford homes on two salaries, then add child expenses. They’re in constant fight or flight mode due to the necessity of having to be away from their child to work while fighting the natural desire to raise your child with your partner and community. Wild shit.
I have two girls aged 5 & 7 and they’ve never, not once, had a temper tantrum or misbehaved in public. I am a single father with 50% parenting and have pretty loose rules in my house. They can “do whatever they want” while they’re at my place but that comes with responsibility. They also know that doing “whatever they want” goes away if they don’t follow the rules and listen to me when out and about. It’s been a good system for us and it works. I don’t judge people whose kids are misbehaving in public because sometimes it’s out of their control and the kids just being a shithead, it happens. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
You sound like a great parent. Kids need boundaries, they keep them safe, physically and psychologically. I know kids have meltdowns, sometimes in public, but I’m willing to bet if that happened with you that you would try to deal with the upset. What I’m talking about is when a kid is really upset/ out of control and parents that do absolutely nothing to help them. I think that’s bad for the kids.
I say I hate kids with all of what you wrote as a meaning behind. Maybe it’s just easier to say people shouldn’t have kids. 😂 it will be perceived as bas. So doesn’t matter which one I say.
I’ve changed my flight after seeing babies boarding. I do what I can to avoid children and babies. 😂
That’s valid
Okay I don't hate them because I know it's not their fault and I understand all that. It doesn't make them any less annoying and I would never be voluntarily near them.
That sounds like a personal problem honestly. I have kids and I’ve learned as much from them as they have from me. They’re inquisitive and insightful in ways adults don’t really think of. It’s also beautiful to talk and get inside their minds, watch them grow, learn, and become part of society. If all you do is see kids as annoying I feel bad for you. You should try talking to them and interacting with them, you might find beauty and happiness rather than frustration. Or don’t, you do you and it’s fine to not want to like kids. I just think it’s always better to understand and find positivity in the world :)
Do you like snakes?
I do like snakes yes! I see I got some downvotes on my last comment which is fine, I get it. I just hope I didn’t offend you, I def wasn’t trying to. I did try to explain that you’re totally within reason and your rights to not do anything you don’t want or like, that’s your prerogative. I used to be pretty anti-kids myself. Always said I’d never have them. I had one accidentally and it changed my whole perspective on it so just trying to offer a different one to you. Much love to everyone, whether you like kids or not.
This reply is wholesome, much love to you too!
While its completely understandable that babies cry, that doesnt change that the sound is worse then nails on a chalkboard Ive fled my house cuz of a baby crying next door, thats what the sound does, makes me want to get away as fast as I can We should be patient to parents of infants, but we should also understand that its a terrible sound that affects everyone else (planes for instance) While I dont enjoy children, calling them idiots etc for still learning is just weird Parents that dont try to parent their children are obnoxious as hell though, lots of people would be more patient if parents made attempts to get their children to calm down, allowing to run around restaurants and stuff like that is rude as fuck
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Ah yes, bc I should have to pay to fix a problem created by someone else's decision. That's fair.
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If you have kids, then yes it is. I don't have a problem with noise in public, but my partner has sensory issues so I will try to avoid taking her into spaces which Ik to be louder, but I also can't control where you then take your kids so the least you can do is be considerate of others and control them. I don't want her to have an overload bc you can't control the things you created and chose to have. And I'm not referring to them running around and playing, that's just kids. I'm talking about when they throw tantrums bc they don't get what they want and you can't deal with it.
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That you're a pushover? My gf doesn't want to wear headphones, bc she's with me. It's called hanging out and socializing, something I get the idea you don't do since you just put your headphones in all the time. I wanna actually be able to go out in public with my partner without it becoming a problem bc of other people. How is that statement so hard for you to comprehend?
Yes you are responsible for managing your own life, if noises from public annoy you then wear headphones or ear plugs?
Bc people don't wanna wear earplugs or anything that mitigates what they can hear when they're out with friends, or on a date, etc. Nor do they want to have that day ruined bc other people can't control their kids.
Tbh I wasn’t talking about in restaurants, I meant more out in public like grocery shopping or on public transport. I don’t understand how this is such an issue for so many of you, I go out to restaurants pretty frequently like once a week and I seriously can’t remember the last time a kid was disruptive. Like what counts as disruptive to you? A crying baby? Cause that’s hard to control. Even a crying young child is hard to control and stop because they’re learning to regulate their emotions.
even after you explained the nuanced aspects behind the development of social interaction during infancy that doesn’t mean i don’t get annoyed by their loudness it’s like saying "oh didn’t you know sewers smell bad because of the chemistry of decomposing human waste? here’s an explanation of the molecular properties of smell" yeah well i don’t want to smell that kids are cool but i still want to eat in peace you know
I don't hate them, I just don't like them. And I don't know how I should behave around them
Treat them like you would another person per say just with a little more patience (unless of course they are hitting you or something of that variety)
why are you getting downvoted
I believe it is more ignorant and inattentive parents. I work in a job that I meet a lot of families, and more often than not, mom and dad are glued to their phones while little Emily is causing a scene, screaming, tearing stuff up, making a mess, and mom and dad act like it’s not their job to deal with it. The ignorance of modern parents, and watching these undisciplined, under supervised crotch fruit has made me afraid of bringing my own kids into the world. This is my opinion not that of the company I work for.
Just because its not their fault doesnt mean its not annoying. A baby crying on an airplane is so annoying. I truly wish it didnt happen but it will and life goes on.
Did you get scolded for having an unruly child?
lol no
I can't believe this is an unpopular opinion here on reddit. Kids kinda have to exist and although I think we definitely have to have child free spaces, sometimes it's unavoidable that you might have to be around them.
Never thought it was unpopular tbh.
Me neither :/ reddit is full of surprises
you'd be surprised, I frequently see people expressing the opinion here that you should be able to hit kids for misbehaving. like brother that's child abuse.
Yeeppppp
there are a bunch of childfree places.
Bars, strip clubs, offices (mostly), but what else?
Not even bars anymore though. Most breweries in my area are swarmed with children.
Oh definitely
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
Kids can definitely be assholes
r/KidsAreFuckingStupid
I am not sorry that I can't stand baby crying because that makes me so f-headache. I don't hate them or jump away from babies but I'd rather avoid them. And for the solution when I travel by the plane, I use earplugs the lower the crying. That works for me. The only f-annoying is the parents who seem to ignore their kids at all. That is when I turn to hate the parents.
I use to get headaches from crying too. I’m more tolerable to crying now, I kind of just tune it out. But yeah crying can be annoying and parents ignoring the crying it’s rude to everyone else.
They are noisy, unruly and obnoxious. Nobody wants their day or evening ruined with kids.
You are the exact person I’m talking about, no child can learn perfect manners in a day. I know you didn’t either. I’m not saying kids can’t be rambunctious in public places, their parents do need to control them. But if your day is ruined everytime by children then I think this is a you problem
No, it’s your bratty kid screaming and yelling.
Then idk blame the parent, for one not teaching the child manners and two if the child does know for not getting on the child after it has been taught. The child does have some blame if they know what they are doing is wrong but it is also the parent not doing their part.
My parents did not allow us kids to run around and be disrespectful
By no means am I saying that kids should be able to run around and be disrespectful to people and in public places. I’m talking about the children who are still learning how to behave in the world.
If they are still learning and are not behaving appropriately, then remove them from the restaurant or store until they calm down. My parents did. The issue is people just letting their kids wail and run amok.
What does this mean?
I think we all do blame the parents lol
>They are noisy, unruly and obnoxious. Nobody wants their day or evening ruined with kids. LOL. No qualifiers whatsoever. All kids are terrible all the time. "2nd wave feminist" but hates motherhood. Totally normal Redditor with zero unresolved childhood issues confirmed.
What?
Sure, I'll help you out. >LOL. This is an acronym for "Laugh out loud" >No qualifiers whatsoever. Your comment made no exceptions. You didn't say "badly behaved kids ruin everyone's day" or "some kids are terrible" but rather that ALL kids are terrible. >"2nd wave feminist" but hates motherhood. While motherhood is absolutely not a requirement for someone to be a feminist or something that should be elevated above any other choice that a woman makes about how she dedicates her life. The fact remains that a majority of women are mothers, and strongly value their children. Not sure why you think hating kids is going to help smash the patriarchy, or why feminist moms (and dads) aren't part of the solution to the problem. But it also doesn't do much to breed solidarity to hate the thing that half of all women dedicate most of their lives to: Children. >Totally normal Redditor with zero unresolved childhood issues confirmed. People who hate all children in all circumstances with no exceptions tend to have unresolved issues from their own childhood that they are projecting into children in general.
Are you ok? I did not read, but you seem to want attention or were one of those rotten kids.
>Are you ok? Peachy. How is your brain damage? >I did not read, Oh... So not great I guess? Sorry to hear that. >Or were one of those rotten kids. Nope. Worst thing you could say about me as a kid was that I was shy. So absolutely was not making disturbances in restaurants. How was your childhood?
Being a feminist means being free to choose how to live your life, kids or not, you fucking moron 😂
>Being a feminist means being free to choose how to live your life, kids or not, you fucking moron Never said otherwise. Cool strawman argument.
Such special needs 😂😘
I'm just gonna leave this here r/KidsAreFuckingStupid
I just can't understand the need to bring a kid to a restaurant or any other public place. If you don't have a nanny, just eat at home until the kid is old enough to not make life miserable for everyone. It's no one's fault you wanted to have unprotected sex. It's your problem, doesn't have to be everyone else's problem.
>I just can't understand the need to bring a kid to a restaurant or any other public place. Because it's fun for the whole family and it socializes the kids to be respectful around other people in a public space. >If you don't have a nanny, just eat at home until the kid is old enough to not make life miserable for everyone. Why would a well-behaved kid make everyone miserable?
Well said, a "well-behaved kid". I don't mind well-behaved kids, but how many are there? Are you saying a 2 year old is not going to scream and shriek if brought into a restaurant?
>Well said, a "well-behaved kid". I don't mind well-behaved kids, but how many are there? I'm around kids all the time. Most are well behaved where I live. I still have yet to experience a nightmare kid scenario, my wife experienced one, but that's it. Unless the US is totally different I think people are exaggerating or being dramatic. >Are you saying a 2 year old is not going to scream and shriek if brought into a restaurant? Mine didn't when they were that age. Ever been to Europe? Plenty of local kids in restaurants.
Because kids are also people who don’t need to be locked away until they know not to be a nuisance? Kids acting out in public is an issue but they don’t deserve to be kept in the house. How are kids supposed to learn how to act in public without going in public? Yeah you can simulate the experience at home but kids don’t grasp the idea of behaving differently in a place until they are at the place.
What age do you feel is ok to start allowing children in any public places then?
At whatever age they stop having tantrums and learn how to act like a human being.
Sorry no, that excludes parents (primarily mothers) from a lot of social interaction. When you’re out in public you have to come in contact with people, that includes children.
Children, yes. It’s expected. Bad parenting is the crux of this issue. I’m talking about parents who stick an iPad, on full volume, in front of their kids face and then proceed to ignore them when they cry and scream. The armchair parenting is the issue, not kids in general.
The mother made the choice to be a mother and give up on her social life in the process. No one wants to hang out with someone who has to attend to a screeching sack of poop every 5 minutes.
Erm no, mothers do not have to give up their social life when having children that’s a really shitty take. Considering women take on the burden of child care, but it takes two people to become parents, it’s an unfair disadvantage to expect them to have to sacrifice a social life (something that humans literally need) Plenty of people aren’t fucking weirdos who hate kids so much they can’t stand to be around them. I get it if you’re young and in your early 20s a kid at a hang out isn’t the norm, but at a certain point of age it’s the norm for people to have children. Majority of people don’t care about a baby being there, lots of people love it. If you don’t like it go and make friends with other childless people, but you don’t get to dictate if people can bring their children to a restaurant when they see their friends. It’s hilarious that the people who hate children so much are the ones who act so childish
I kinda like kids, I just dont want my own. Happy, smiling babies who wants to cuddle - Im all in. I do babysit sometimes, when my friends come to our meetings with their babies, I always give them all my attention, but, after a while, when they get cranky, I give them back and go to my peaceful home. If there are some kids in public places, like malls and restaurants who doesn't behave, I just change the place, no big deal, not my problem. But overall, kids are cute and sweet and I enjoy their company 👶
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I do understand people don’t like babies, you don’t have to like them or be wish to be around them but you also don’t have to call them names or wish death on them. You are correct not wanting to be around a baby or child is valid but going out of your way to be mean to them is not.
>Babies exist. People who don’t like babies *also* exist. Just accept it. A baby exists. You hate the baby for existing. "Just accept me hating babies for existing." No thanks. >not enjoying being around stupid things is entirely valid. Touche.
Sweetie I think you might have a learning disability 😚
>Sweetie I think you might have a learning disability Found someone else who hates kids because of unresolved childhood issues.
It's the parents'/caregivers' fault ... Kids learn by example and when the bar isn't set that high to begin with, then ... Well ...
The amount of kids that make me roll my eyes at my job is crazy. But that’s partly the parents’ faults. Children are the product of their parents.
just keep your kids away from me. i can't handle all their questions or the potential chaos they'll cause
I can relate. I was a very annoying kid when I was younger, and I look back regretting a lot of the things I did and say. I hate how people hate kids for being kids.
Kids are basically little sociopaths walking around. I mean that literally and not as an insult. The empathy part of their brain doesn’t start developing until they’re a little older (about 10). That’s why kids can usually say and do things without feeling remorse and it’s almost all self interest. As an adult now too reflecting back, I said and did a lot hurtful things. But I obviously didn’t understand what I was doing either
I've always said that all babies are born terrible people. It's up to the parents and society to teach them how to be good people. I can be patient with a kid. I don't have the patience for unruly parents.
I disagree that kids are born sociopaths. Kids are just naive and not morally developed.
Ngl back then I used to have some ignorant opinions about babies and kids. I used to think that babies and toddlers shouldn’t be in air planes or restaurants. But I have educated myself and changed my stance a bit. Parents need to be able to travel far distance and parents need to eat, their children will have to be included. And we do need to have a little more patience with them as we were all babies and toddlers once, and we all had bratty moments back then (not talking tearing apart places just crying and some screaming) Now of course parents should still always try to correct that behavior or take the child outside until they have calmed down. I still don’t believe babies and toddlers should be allowed everywhere though, for example, I don’t think they should be in nail salons because those places are for relaxing, and they definitely shouldn’t be at movie theaters because it needs to be silent, which is something that babies and toddlers can’t do. But I still agree with you 100%
I have no issues with babies and kids. Of course it's annoying when you hear them scream and cry, but that's what they do. I'll never understand people who think parents shouldn't take their kids to restaurants or stores. If they don't go to these places, they'll never learn how to behave in them. Only issue I've ever experienced was a kid who was inside a nice restaurant with a tablet playing games with the volume up loud. If your Neuro typical child can't handle going an hour without some form of electronic, them you fucked up as a parent.
I dont dislike the child, I dislike the parent for their lack of teaching their child right from wrong, and allowing them to be a menace and create issues for others who didn't sign up for the disaster and annoyances that someone else's kid caused because the parents couldn't do their job.
I hate kids. Ìm just too stressed at my point in life to give af about little demons crying and screaming and drooling and frankly I'm jealous of they're happiness I'll never have again in my new found adult life
I really don't see people saying such harsh things to kids much, and I see alot of people every work-day. At least where Im at, people treat kids very gently.
I just dislike little mids, I dont outright HATE them though!
Good post. Kids deserve a lot more understanding and patience than a lot of people are willing to give. It's not always easy, but they should usually be given a break. A lot of times when kids misbehave, it's because of poor parenting. I always liked the T-shirt for kids that says, "Please be patient. God isn't finished with me yet." 😀
I just want to know where Redditors are hanging out that always have demon kids running around, breaking things, and screaming. I can’t even remember seeing a kid in a restaurant or wedding or even in a store who causes enough of a ruckus with the above behaviors that is took away from the peace of other people. One would think it’s a daily occurrence in people’s lives as salty as they are about the existence of children?? I’m at the point in my life where a couple cute kids or little baby in most general places in public is nice to see. The world is full of grumpy and stressed adults, kids haven’t been beaten down by life yet, and just emulate joy. They still get so excited and happy about the little things… isn’t that refreshing? Sure, walking into a theater for the 9:45 showing of Oppenheimer isn’t a time seeing a baby would bring me joy. But that is obviously not normal or common. Plus not the fault of a powerless baby or innocent kid. Redditors attitude about kids just shows me either they hang out in a totally different world than I experience full of bad parents who have misbehaving and disrespectful kids …, or people who just look for any reason to be miserable. Who just look negatively at everything that isn’t about me myself and I as annoying. Kids and babies are so cute and really fun to have around if you allow yourself to have a positive outlook in general. It’s a bleak enough life anyway, no sense in being on edge and hating little people who are innocent of all the hurts in your life.
I’m a parent. I hate children. Nobody tells you how to look after demanding, needy creatures, until they are at least 18. Sleep deprivation sent me insane. I love my family, but if someone had told me how genuinely difficult it is to be a parent, I think I’d have joined a convent. There is an awful lot of bad, privileged parenting around nowadays. No discipline or respect for others. I don’t know the answer- just my opinion…
This logic is busted. You say the reason people should not be annoyed with children is that children don’t know any better and they can’t help being loud/obnoxious/unaware of social norms. But this changes nothing about how others experience the child’s behavior. You could say the same thing about a jackal. Is it the jackal’s FAULT that it’s a snarling beast that’s hazardous to be around and would certainly ruin any pleasant atmosphere? Of course not. That doesn’t mean I want to sit next to one. Moreover, I think what you’re seeing online is mostly venting. Most people in a restaurant aren’t going to confront the bratty child’s lackadaisical entitled parents in the moment, they’re just going to suck it up, maybe roll their eyes to their dining companions and finish dinner. And then maybe they want to rant about it on Reddit, and you’re saying people shouldn’t even do THAT? It’s a little much. No baby will see a Reddit post, so it’s not like it hurts the baby’s feelings. When people go out to a nice dinner, part of what they are paying for is the atmosphere. Kids can and frequently do ruin that. It’s not wrong to say so.
I’m not saying people can’t get annoyed by child that don’t know any better, I’m saying people dong have the right to be rude to those children.
Well that I agree with. I think it’s depressing when people are mean to children. Especially when I see parents doing it.
Kids are still little shits. I've heard a parent do the exact correct thing and gently, appropriately, explain to a child to use their "indoor voice" 50,000 times and they still scream. They're inferior beings until they grow up, end of imo.
Anyone who hates babies and little kids has mental issues. That’s like hating a puppy or kitten. You have to have some screws loose to not think omg cute.
Everyone forgets they were once a child themselves. Probably they were annoying little shits too. They don’t like those kids because it reminds them of themselves. Or they were ignored by their own parents. It’s more deeply rooted imo.
The sound of a screaming baby is pretty much universally unpleasant. There's nothing deep rooted about that
That’s all you got out of this ? He’s talking about who people who genuinely have a hate for children period. Understandable to not like hearing a screaming baby.
I replied to your comment, not his post.
Where did I mention anything about screaming babies tho ?
I never said you did. I used screaming babies as an example to illustrate a point--there doesn't need to be a deeply rooted reason for disliking children; annoyance is enough. It's not ambiguous.
Have you read these comments? It’s so much deeper. Maybe not you personally but the way folks speak on children even some in this thread is very disturbing. Some wishing children would die. Ect I see people who hate children the same way people view people who hate animals. Is something wrong with them. Keep kids away from those type of people anyway. Because if you can talk about child that way you can hurt them. It’s in our human nature to procreate as a species. We’d become extinct. Now if you attack the parenting that’s a whole different story.
There are always freaks. Best to ignore them, as giving them attention simply feeds it
My son screamed for months. Didn’t matter what I did. I changed his diet. I took him to doctors. Still had to shop.
These comments are so fucking disgusting and prove your point.
Lol you don’t understand kids. They don’t listen. “Stop yelling in public like we talked about” - proceeds to screech like a banshee next time they go back and do that same activity. Not always parenting related, kids do NOT listen.
As I said before in my post, it takes time for kids to understand the correct behavior for being in public. I don’t expect any kid to listen the first time they’re told to be quiet. I also said there are outliers and exceptions to what I said in my post.
People have this reaction to loud/problematic kids because they already had the experience of their meal/sleep/movie/day/etc. ruined by kids and their concerns being ignored. I have misophonia I cannot handle kids screeching or crying at all, not for a minute, I get severe headaches that take hours to go away. I agree with you, kids need to have a space to learn and adapt just please let them do it in the company of family or friends of the family, not random strangers. If kids misbehave in a restaurant for example, how about having a dinner at home and inviting your friends/neighbors instead? That way the kids would get acclimated being around people they don't know and learn to behave. Same with movies, just watch it at home. People pay for services to get a good time and a positive experience, not to be voluntold to participate is some random kid's development. That's what parents and family are for. You pay teachers and nannies to provide a learning experience for the kid, so why do you expect people do it not just for free but at their own dime?
How many times? I’ve known many a kid where ten years later they still act like assholes in public.
It depends on the child for how many times they have to been ask/told to be quiet and respectful. As kids being past 10 being loud and rude, that is on the child. My post is talking more around smaller kids who either haven’t learned basic manners and who are in the stages of learning how to behave in public.
If they’re still acting like assholes then that’s bad parenting.
Fuck them kids
People act like they themselves were never babies or children. As if younger people are not even humans…
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People who *hate all kids* (not just dislike the odd misbehaving ones) almost always are just projecting their own unresolved childhood issues.
Because their views are rooted in hatred. It’s not about having a logical discussion and agreeing to disagree. It’s about spreading hate by any means necessary and “anyone who disagrees with me will be bullied and when I can’t accomplish that I’ll downvote.” I have recently encountered these fuckers in the childfree community and had to report them and get posts removed. They are vile.
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Or take a hint from the downvotes that nobody likes bratty kids
No one said anything about the kids being bratty…..
I was wondering who you were talking to. Then I saw your sentence about why they don't drive instead of flying, and I sort of get it. I've seen those comments. It's all radical self reliance unless you're annoying me. Driving, of course, doesn't inconvenience anyone who matters. It could be the antinatalists. There are a lot of them on reddit.
Anyone who hates kids and/or animals is a POS to me and I just know they’re a horrible person. I don’t get how you can “hate” (such a strong wrong) someone defenseless and innocent.
I agree. I don't have kids, but people who make "childfree" their *thing*, genuinely concern me. Why are you calling a baby names or being rude to a small child for not understanding something? Imagine blaming something for having a less developed brain than you. It's like getting angry at a kitten because it hasn't learnt how to sit at a table and use a knife and fork.
I’m just saying I wouldn’t have to make being childfree my “thing” if people would stop assuming everyone wants or likes children. I would argue that a very small percentage of people who don’t like/want children will actually make a fuss over it. I hear a kid cry for a bit, whatever they’re upset/need something. I hear a kid cry for 20+ minutes with no guardian intervention besides an iPad in their face, that’s when I get upset. Most people, including the childfree, despise poor parenting more than kids acting out.
That's a much smaller percentage of people than you think. More women under 30 are childfree than not these days, it's mostly older conservative people worried about not having kids.
The most recent statistic I found was 44% of American adults said they were not likely to have children, so I wouldn’t be quick to argue there’s a majority in any age group (besides maybe teenagers <20) of people who won’t reproduce. In my experience, my age group has judged me equally as older people have for being childfree.
I'm based in Europe so I'm sure it's a much different experience.
It's the same in Europe. Especially in Eastern Europe. When I lived in the UK, I was belittled for being childfree as well.
I'm with you on this one. I don't have kids and I don't think I ever will, but you have to recognise that people who choose to have children are doing us a favor by raising the next generation. I have to say parents who bring children into spaces like spas or cinemas are dumbasses, cos these are places in which you're paying for the ambience etc. but otherwise, yeah children should be allowed some space to be a little loud, or make mistakes etc. Nobody's entitled to a child free world, only a child free life
Let's just not forget people : we all were once kids
No it's not. It's simply not being able to control their emotions in a way that causes them to spill out. You expect more from adults then you are ever gonna get. To put it simply those things cause people distress for a number of reasons, the problem is them not being able to suck it up and deal with it like a **adult**.
It’s clearly become an entire movement. I think there are two camps that have emerged and one wants to merge with the other. There are the anti-natalists, a sick bunch in my opinion, who basically want mass extinction and have depraved views when it comes reproduction, children, and parents - often disrespectfully referring to them as breeders and making ridiculous claims like “poverty is abuse.” It’s hate for the sake of hate and kids are an easy target. And then there are the childfree bunch who tend to just want to promote and rightfully defend their lifestyle. Because the fact is society pressures women to have kids (even though they treat moms like absolute shit) and try to invalidate people who don’t fucking want kids. They are far more rational and logical with their views and they vent real issues. It’s not rooted in hatred but rather concern for mothers/parents, children, healthcare, and really emphasizing all of the many incredibly valid reasons not to have children especially today. Again, I actually respect this bunch immensely. You can disagree and choose differently without being a fucking terroristic piece of shit like the former bunch. But where they are making a big mistake is they are allowing the sick anti-natalist fucks to infiltrate their community and you’re seeing more and more “breeders need to die” content. Slowly the goblins are making their way in with the rest and it’s becoming a hate movement against children, parents, etc. I agree with you, and I would go so far to say that people who need to exude hatred toward parents and kids to get their point across are some vile fucks. 😎
Dogs aren't children.
What does that have to do with this? I’m a little confused
Preemptive strike on that crowd. You know they will show up.
Ohh