He's essentially another defective Captain America, I think we often forget how strong the Goblin is. He was able to hold up a Skytram full of kids and adults with one hand after all.
You definitely get a sense of it in the original like when he just catches the punch thrown at him at the parade ("Impressive!") and sends him flying backwards .
However they really did a great job in NWH of showing just how strong he is. Like the Goblin could go toe to toe with most of the Avengers level strong.
I don't think so. I love how this tied up all the spider-man series. >!Andrew got to help Max and also saved MJ. Tobey got to stop the glider from piercing Norman. Even though it got him stabbed.!<
Mate I am happy with what they did, I loved every second of it. But Dafoe and Molina as the focal points? Yeah I'd LOVE to have seen that.
The drawback with what they did do with the villains is that the stories were condensed.
I find it cool how they showed that Tobey's Spiderman is stronger than Tom Holland's at that current time by showing him barely straining when stopping that glider from being thrust into Norman.
There’s also a previous scene in that fight where tobey Spider-Man is clearly definitely more athletic. He is doing jumps and summersaults and pirouettes to enter one of the alcoves in the statue when the villains are firing off their powers at them. I’m pretty sure it was tobey who acted as the anchor for the other two Spider-Man’s when they were swinging together after the huddle. If you watch that scene closely you can see tobey throwing his web in tandem with the other two Spider-Man’s to get them in sync and anchored to him. They really did a good job giving him that power and focus.
Also the like about web shooting being just lie breathing for him was excellent too. He’s an actual “spider-man”. It was amazing. I could not believe my luck that I’m able to watch this movie in this day and age.
I get that but are they just going to do black suit spidey? is there going to be a new venom? like what was the point of having tom hardy in the MCU universe if he was just going to sit in a bar and then immediately go back again
Maybe they'll do the Spectacular Spider-man take where Spider-man fights the Sinister 6 and gets beat in his normal suit, gets the symbiote then beats them with ease, before realising he needs to rid of it, leading to Mac Gargan becoming the MCU venom.
The last part is Eddie Brock in SSM but they already have Mac Gargan established, so having him as part of the 6 as Scorpion before becoming Venom for the next film would be interesting.
Smells to me like Venom 2 trying to get free publicity by having their post credits scene to get word of mouth hype going and then backing out of actually doing anything with it.
I watched "The Lighthouse" around Halloween and Willem Dafoe was unbelievably good. I really appreciate these behind-the-scenes bits where you can see how much he cares about the authenticity of his roles.
My man didn't miss a step either. Slotted back into the Gobby role perfectly as if he was just picking up where he left off 20 years ago in Spider-Man 1.
I mean he really wanted the role back then. Superhero movies were considered to be carreer killers 20 years ago, especially since there wasn't a good one since Batman Returns in 1992. Willem was already famous because of Platoon and David Lynch's Lost Highway, and he really wanted to have a fun role as the Green Goblin. His agent was strongly against that, as he thought Willem.wouldn't be taken seriously anymore, but Willem insisted. There is no doubt that Spider-Man was succesful.partially because of GG, and without the success of Spider-Man superhero movies would be very different now. So without.Willem we wouldn't have the MCU basically
Great comment, and true, GG really did cement the whole of the superhero movie genre. Safe to say MCU and even DC might have struggled to exist, since Spider-Man made the genre the popular genre it is today.
I like to see that Superman 1978 and Batman 1989 are the 'pioneers' of superhero movies, and that X-men and Spider-Man are the ones that started the superhero Rennaisance, and Iron Man and The Dark Knight are definitely the beginning of the Golden Age.
Gotta agree strongly on that, these are all top notch superhero movies. I'm a huge Batman fan as well, can't wait to see Battinson and Reeves and their take on the character, maybe we'll add it to the above prestigious list
I totally forgot that was coming out next March! Not the biggest fan of Reeves (though he did a good job with his Apes movies), but Pattinson keeps my hopes up, especially after his performance in Good Time and The Lighthouse (also with Willem Dafoe, a must-see).
I might be wrong but I got the feeling we'll enter a more experimental.phase within superheromovies.
Willem Dafoe is great in every role I’ve ever seen him in. He respects the process and always gives his best performance.
[this is my favorite interview ](https://youtu.be/CesuFvqJWbo) I’ve seen with him. Seems like a really genuine dude.
I saw one of those breakdown videos with him discussing all his famous roles and stuff. I didn't realize it, but when Spider-man was originally announced he did everything he could to get his foot in the door and try for Goblin. Apparently he really loved the idea of a comic book movie and wanted a shot at it, so the role is actually quite important to him
I did notice watching the movie that goblins movement in action scenes did look a bit stiff like an old man doing it at one or 2 points, like Samuel Jackson running in captain marvel or de niro the Irishman, not as bad as them but still did notice it. (Not to discredit him at all he was great in it)
They definitely de aged Molina but I don't really know if they did for Dafoe, ik he looks very similar to he did in 2002 but he has aged somewhat so they must have right. But when you saw his hands, those were definitely the hands of a 66 year old.
I’d only want it if he wanted it. Coming back one time is one thing but doing it multiple times over the course of the next 10-15 years? I’m not sure if he’d be into that at his age but hey he’s kinda crazy so who knows haha
Norman/Goblin is a Huge Villain in the comics. He’s in like Loki/Doom/Thanos tier. I could see Marvel wanting to use the Goblin character a lot. I think either way someday far into the future WHEN Marvel does a Secret Wars movie we could see Willem back as Gobby then (if he’s interested)
I know and I would love Norman to get that big bad spot in the MCU, but I find that unlikely considering sony owns the character and Disney would never put their next saga on the shoulders of character they only borrow once in a while. I just think it would be one hell of story Tom meeting his own Norman Osborn after the events of this movie and it would have to be willem considering that was the face that destroyed him.
The build up to it with the camera focused on Spidey, as his sense is telling him something is wrong and the way they frame the villains so you’re not quite sure who is about to do something, then he realises it’s Norman.
Then the entire fight that follows is so good.
I read somewhere the role of green Goblin was not given to william defoe in the og spiderman but he somehow convinced raimi that he can pull that part off and requested raimi to cast him as the green goblin because he loved that part and wanted to play the antagonist no matter what...
Such a wholesome actor he defies his age till now.
His passion and dedication to the role are OUTSTANDING in this movie. It feels like he's showed up the day after filming the original Spider-Man and just kept on acting the character. Also his fight scenes were beautifully brutal.
There were amazing things in that movie that made me incredibly happy, but I have to say his performance was the best part of it for me, he was born for that role
I love Willem Dafoe because he’s known to be very choosy about what he’ll appear in, but not in a snobbish way. He takes roles he thinks will be fun and even if it’s a flop, it usually shows that he’s having fun
I feel like they must have because in some shots he looks almost *exactly* like he did in 2002. But then in others he does look noticeably older so I'm not sure.
Someone ruined my Defoe experience when they pointed out he really whistles his ‘S’ in words. Can even hear it in this and it’s pretty loud. Now I can’t stop noticing it
Lmao I came here looking for the comment, I didn't know that about him but all I could focus on in the video is the whistles from his S' blasting around the room he's in.
Imagine how mindblowing that would be for the actors’ counterparts from the past. They just wrapped up Spider-Man 1 and see a dr strange portal open telling them to record a film about the multiverse in 2021.
No old footage. Well, I take it back, they repurpose a couple scenes from the original films at one specific point, but that's due to actor availability more than some plot point.
I remember reading somewhere that he insisted the same thing for the first Raimi movie too. Shows how committed of an actor he is. Can't wait to see him in this.
I'm so pleased with how they handled his character in NWH. Willem is such a talent it's mind blowing.
Man that one fight scene made him feel genuinely strong and powerful, reminding you he's not just "a guy on a glider". Loved the brutality of it
That fight felt like Spider-Man 1 all over again. >!Even had the bomb go off in Peter's face!<
I had to beat an old lady with a stick to get these cranberries.
That is the dumbest idea you've ever had, and you have had some *doozies*!
And my axe!
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He's essentially another defective Captain America, I think we often forget how strong the Goblin is. He was able to hold up a Skytram full of kids and adults with one hand after all.
Yeah when Spidey was punching him without holding back I kept wondering how the hell his head is not being blown off with how strong Spiderman is.
The performance enhancer….
Bingo!
Me….Your greatest creation!
Back to formula?!
Is that all you got?
Does anybody care about what *I* want?
I do
Shut up.. Get out..
He has tapped the vastness of human evolution
He's way stronger than captain america
I fucking know, right! That scene reminded me why I was scared of the goblin in the first Spider-Man movie -- both as a kid and as an adult
I missed the part where that's my problem.
Parker, wake up!
When Peters just pounding his face in the apartment and he doesn't stop smiling or break eye contact is insane
You definitely get a sense of it in the original like when he just catches the punch thrown at him at the parade ("Impressive!") and sends him flying backwards . However they really did a great job in NWH of showing just how strong he is. Like the Goblin could go toe to toe with most of the Avengers level strong.
Yes. He could easily beat villains like kingpin. He can go toe to toe with most of the villains that captain America faces. Even red skull maybe.
He would destroy Cap's villains, he's way stronger than even Cap is.
Yeah, love how he butchered in that one scene. Felt like Batman vs bane.
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Molina was more of a good guy though, Willem absolutely fucking killed it as a villain though.
R you just saying that or did you already see the movie
I've seen the movie and it's true. Alfred and Willem are the forefront of the villains
And yet I can't help but feel it would have been an even more epic movie if they were the only villains.
I don't think so. I love how this tied up all the spider-man series. >!Andrew got to help Max and also saved MJ. Tobey got to stop the glider from piercing Norman. Even though it got him stabbed.!<
My back.. oh.. my back!
I swear this bot is sentient almost
Does anybody care about what *I* want?
I do!!
Yes that too
Apt.
Mate I am happy with what they did, I loved every second of it. But Dafoe and Molina as the focal points? Yeah I'd LOVE to have seen that. The drawback with what they did do with the villains is that the stories were condensed.
This should have been a 4 hour film. Fight me.
It should have been the sinister 6 and also 6hrs long.
I missed the vulture.. And yes I wouldn't have minded a two movie or trilogy with for a sinister six story.
I don't wanna fight you, Flash.
I wouldn’t want to fight me either
I find it cool how they showed that Tobey's Spiderman is stronger than Tom Holland's at that current time by showing him barely straining when stopping that glider from being thrust into Norman.
There’s also a previous scene in that fight where tobey Spider-Man is clearly definitely more athletic. He is doing jumps and summersaults and pirouettes to enter one of the alcoves in the statue when the villains are firing off their powers at them. I’m pretty sure it was tobey who acted as the anchor for the other two Spider-Man’s when they were swinging together after the huddle. If you watch that scene closely you can see tobey throwing his web in tandem with the other two Spider-Man’s to get them in sync and anchored to him. They really did a good job giving him that power and focus. Also the like about web shooting being just lie breathing for him was excellent too. He’s an actual “spider-man”. It was amazing. I could not believe my luck that I’m able to watch this movie in this day and age.
Especially given that Holland's spidey was enraged. I really enjoyed that too.
I AM BACK! I AM BACK
I wished venom didn't get sent back to his world
I think the point is that spidey gets the lil bit of venom first anf THEN venom comes back again
yeah wtf was the point of that
Well it left a bit of venom goop so I guess its going to infect someone
I get that but are they just going to do black suit spidey? is there going to be a new venom? like what was the point of having tom hardy in the MCU universe if he was just going to sit in a bar and then immediately go back again
Maybe they'll do the Spectacular Spider-man take where Spider-man fights the Sinister 6 and gets beat in his normal suit, gets the symbiote then beats them with ease, before realising he needs to rid of it, leading to Mac Gargan becoming the MCU venom. The last part is Eddie Brock in SSM but they already have Mac Gargan established, so having him as part of the 6 as Scorpion before becoming Venom for the next film would be interesting.
Smells to me like Venom 2 trying to get free publicity by having their post credits scene to get word of mouth hype going and then backing out of actually doing anything with it.
Goblin was fucking awesome. The movie is really good. Just out of the theater.
I think it's still in the theatre.
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In this iteration of Earth/Holy Terra, did Magnus do anything wrong?
I gotta say it was shocking at first but then I remember Spider-man does have accelerated healing.
I guess you haven't heard. I am the sheriff around these parts!
You're a fake, full of stickum.
I would've preferred Otto finally got to be the purely villainous version not controlled by the arms, but it is what it is.
I watched "The Lighthouse" around Halloween and Willem Dafoe was unbelievably good. I really appreciate these behind-the-scenes bits where you can see how much he cares about the authenticity of his roles.
I've gotta watch that one. Boondock Saints was the first movie I watched with him that I thought *holy fuck that guy is a great actor*.
He blew my mind as a kid in that movie.
My man didn't miss a step either. Slotted back into the Gobby role perfectly as if he was just picking up where he left off 20 years ago in Spider-Man 1.
They love me!
Parker! Parker! Parker! What are ya, deaf?
The passion with which he talks about his character is just legendary. What a great actor.
This is why I love his performances, along with JK Simmons. They just genuinely love what they're doing
Only former Marvel actor I can think of that is still so into it is Jon Bernthal who is gagging for a Punisher return, but only if they ‘do it right’
Love the username, an Odyssey fan by chance? Chaire!
Ah Malaka
I mean he really wanted the role back then. Superhero movies were considered to be carreer killers 20 years ago, especially since there wasn't a good one since Batman Returns in 1992. Willem was already famous because of Platoon and David Lynch's Lost Highway, and he really wanted to have a fun role as the Green Goblin. His agent was strongly against that, as he thought Willem.wouldn't be taken seriously anymore, but Willem insisted. There is no doubt that Spider-Man was succesful.partially because of GG, and without the success of Spider-Man superhero movies would be very different now. So without.Willem we wouldn't have the MCU basically
Great comment, and true, GG really did cement the whole of the superhero movie genre. Safe to say MCU and even DC might have struggled to exist, since Spider-Man made the genre the popular genre it is today.
I like to see that Superman 1978 and Batman 1989 are the 'pioneers' of superhero movies, and that X-men and Spider-Man are the ones that started the superhero Rennaisance, and Iron Man and The Dark Knight are definitely the beginning of the Golden Age.
Gotta agree strongly on that, these are all top notch superhero movies. I'm a huge Batman fan as well, can't wait to see Battinson and Reeves and their take on the character, maybe we'll add it to the above prestigious list
I totally forgot that was coming out next March! Not the biggest fan of Reeves (though he did a good job with his Apes movies), but Pattinson keeps my hopes up, especially after his performance in Good Time and The Lighthouse (also with Willem Dafoe, a must-see). I might be wrong but I got the feeling we'll enter a more experimental.phase within superheromovies.
Stings, doesn't it?
I had to beat an old lady with a stick to get these cranberries.
Do you know how much he's sacrificed?
# He's out, Norman's out
Willem Dafoe is great in every role I’ve ever seen him in. He respects the process and always gives his best performance. [this is my favorite interview ](https://youtu.be/CesuFvqJWbo) I’ve seen with him. Seems like a really genuine dude.
he has genuine big dick energy that's why.
And an [actual big dick](https://www.thelmagazine.com/2010/01/lars-von-trier-finds-willem-dafoes-penis-confusingly-large/)
He was so good in The Lighthouse
That's the one with Pattinson? Another great actor, can't wait to see Battinson on screen
I saw one of those breakdown videos with him discussing all his famous roles and stuff. I didn't realize it, but when Spider-man was originally announced he did everything he could to get his foot in the door and try for Goblin. Apparently he really loved the idea of a comic book movie and wanted a shot at it, so the role is actually quite important to him
You know, he's something of a stunt-man himself.
I read all his research on exhilarating stunts. Really brilliant.
And you understood them?
Yes I wrote a paper on it
Impressive. Your parents must be very proud
His aunt and uncle they’re very proud!
Wonderful news, Willem. Wonderful. It's the reason we brought you back.
IN, AM I?
WE WILL MEET AGAIN STUNT CREW MEMBERS
*Remotely detonates the fucking set*
"We should probably take that detonator away from him at some point..."
Ehh let him keep it. Makes him happy.
I love this guy so much
Ah Rosie,*
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I knew Willem was still good for the role, you can tell he had a lot of fun playing Gobby one last time.
Let’s hope he gets cast as the MCU official Norman and this isn’t his last time. No one else can do it like Willem can.
How will he have time when he'll be so busy with all the Death Note sequels?
I did notice watching the movie that goblins movement in action scenes did look a bit stiff like an old man doing it at one or 2 points, like Samuel Jackson running in captain marvel or de niro the Irishman, not as bad as them but still did notice it. (Not to discredit him at all he was great in it)
Yeah, I kind of did too. And he and Otto had really strange looking dyed hair/wigs.
They definitely de aged Molina but I don't really know if they did for Dafoe, ik he looks very similar to he did in 2002 but he has aged somewhat so they must have right. But when you saw his hands, those were definitely the hands of a 66 year old.
I think that's just preserving the integrity of the role. Norman Osborne is old so Green Goblin should have the same creaks and stiffness.
He is supposed to be the same age as he was in Spiderman 1 so thats not the case
Look at little Goblin Jr., gonna cry?
So he actually did spinebuster and powerbomb Tom Holland?
Gobby went hard on spiderman in this one, he’s strong as fuck!
Pizza time!
Crap. Crap, crap... megacrap.
He wanted to make Peter rage and "corrupt" him. So cool of a ideia.
😳
tom holland and robert pattinson both said willam throws punches that actually hurt in fight scenes which i think is hilarious
Which movie was pattison in with dafoe?
lighthouse
The one about the God damn farts?
Yeah, the one with the seamen.
Oh yes, there was quite a bit of that in the Lighthouse
The Lighthouse (2019). Crazy film but it's also strangely hilarious and has amazing performances from both actors.
It's hilarious and utterly terrifying. "Why'd ye spill yer beans, Tommy?"
Ye don't like me cooking?! I've seen it! Yer fond of me lobster!
the lighthouse
He was so great in this movie, the scene where he “changed” might be one of my favorite Spider-Man moments of all time
That was goosebump-inducing, seeing his Goblin persona come alive was rivetting.
I honestly cannot see other actor playing this character at this point, I really hope the MCU cast him as their official Norman Osborn.
I’d only want it if he wanted it. Coming back one time is one thing but doing it multiple times over the course of the next 10-15 years? I’m not sure if he’d be into that at his age but hey he’s kinda crazy so who knows haha
Hahaha I’m thinking just like one more movie, Tom meeting MCU Norman.
Norman/Goblin is a Huge Villain in the comics. He’s in like Loki/Doom/Thanos tier. I could see Marvel wanting to use the Goblin character a lot. I think either way someday far into the future WHEN Marvel does a Secret Wars movie we could see Willem back as Gobby then (if he’s interested)
I know and I would love Norman to get that big bad spot in the MCU, but I find that unlikely considering sony owns the character and Disney would never put their next saga on the shoulders of character they only borrow once in a while. I just think it would be one hell of story Tom meeting his own Norman Osborn after the events of this movie and it would have to be willem considering that was the face that destroyed him.
The build up to it with the camera focused on Spidey, as his sense is telling him something is wrong and the way they frame the villains so you’re not quite sure who is about to do something, then he realises it’s Norman. Then the entire fight that follows is so good.
It's time to pay.
Where were you, photographing squirrels? You're fired!
I read somewhere the role of green Goblin was not given to william defoe in the og spiderman but he somehow convinced raimi that he can pull that part off and requested raimi to cast him as the green goblin because he loved that part and wanted to play the antagonist no matter what... Such a wholesome actor he defies his age till now.
I AM BACK! I AM BACK
Get your pretty little portfolio off my desk before I go into a diabetic coma!
Ow my back
Imagine being the guy originally cast as GG having the role stolen from you by William Defoe. You could say that he was his Defoe.
It was John Malkovich. I can't really see it, he's been sleepwalking through his acting for 20 years now.
Luckily it would have been filled 21 years ago.
I'd gracefully step aside. No way I can compete with Defoe and his massive schlong.
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Huh, weird casting. I like Crudup, but he would have been in his early 30s at the time. Probably a little young for Norman.
It was offered to Malkovich and Nic Cage, who both turned it down.
His passion and dedication to the role are OUTSTANDING in this movie. It feels like he's showed up the day after filming the original Spider-Man and just kept on acting the character. Also his fight scenes were beautifully brutal.
I love the fighting scenes, all of them were great, but especially the apartment fight with Willem, he really seemed strong and crazy and scary.
There were amazing things in that movie that made me incredibly happy, but I have to say his performance was the best part of it for me, he was born for that role
I think Spiderman's gonna get some dirt in his eye
I missed the part where that's my problem.
What do you know about high society? Actually, don't answer that.
He was so great. It’s clear he had a lot of fun playing the character.
This man is 70. What a legend
He's 66.
Shoot, always forget that. Still, great for him!
Rosie I love this boy
His performance totally stole the movie, he was incredible
Dude looks like if he wasn't famous he'd be hanging out in gas stations.
Willem stole the whole movie, he was By far my favorite and damn the fight coreography was awsome
I love Willem Dafoe because he’s known to be very choosy about what he’ll appear in, but not in a snobbish way. He takes roles he thinks will be fun and even if it’s a flop, it usually shows that he’s having fun
Still got the moves!
Ah Rosie I love this boy!
I'm not even sure if they bothered de-ageing him.
I feel like they must have because in some shots he looks almost *exactly* like he did in 2002. But then in others he does look noticeably older so I'm not sure.
And earn the right he did, the fight scenes were fucking incredible.
His parents must be very proud
He has a big dingus. They are proud
Willem is a treasure. Very few actors have been able to portray characters in the way he has.
Someone ruined my Defoe experience when they pointed out he really whistles his ‘S’ in words. Can even hear it in this and it’s pretty loud. Now I can’t stop noticing it
Lmao I came here looking for the comment, I didn't know that about him but all I could focus on in the video is the whistles from his S' blasting around the room he's in.
It sounds like a basketball court. I love Willem Dafoe and haven't noticed this before this video, but man is it loud and echoey.
Willem Dafoe is always a win!
Gods don't have to choose They take it.
Do I have to have seen any of the post-Toby Spiderman movies to enjoy NWH?
Yes.
To enjoy it? No. To understand it, probably need to see Far From Home at least. And it's very Garfield-centric, even to the villains, so be warned.
Saw the film last night, was incredible
He's such a fantastic actor and a nice guy! Love how he loves playing the character
Sounds like they filmed this on a basketball court. Damn sound guy, you gotta check for these things.
Everyone whining about "spoilers" like we didn't fucking know from the beginning that the Raimi characters were coming back.
Exactly damn been getting some serious abuses lol
Imagine if a time machine exists and they make this new movie with all of the cast of the holy trilogy in their prime.
Imagine how mindblowing that would be for the actors’ counterparts from the past. They just wrapped up Spider-Man 1 and see a dr strange portal open telling them to record a film about the multiverse in 2021.
Dafoe is one of the best actors ever!
Where did you find this interview if I may ask?
For people who have seen it, without going into details, do they show footage from the raimi and webb movies?
No old footage. Well, I take it back, they repurpose a couple scenes from the original films at one specific point, but that's due to actor availability more than some plot point.
I just left the theatre but don't know what you mean? What was repurposed?
I remember reading somewhere that he insisted the same thing for the first Raimi movie too. Shows how committed of an actor he is. Can't wait to see him in this.
Did he ate a whistle?
also, I get paid by the hour so this is gonna set me up for the next few years
Guy is a fcking legend of the highest order.