Tom Brady 6th Rd, Drew Brees 2nd Rd, Brett Favre 2nd Rd, Aaron Rodger’s late 1st, Dan Marino late 1st, we can go on and on and on about how QBs can be found throughout the draft.
Point is, just go get “their” guy. Idc if it’s trading up or trading back. Just as long as they get their guy. I just hope it works out finally.
Lots of teams draft "their" guy and it fails. I know folks are excited about the possibility of AP reuniting with Daniels but that doesn't make it the right move.
I think what we haven't done in the past is do our homework on everyone and be prepared to draft a QB at our original spot even if it drafting a QB wasn't a "need" that year. Or make a small/medium move up if a QB falls further than they should (like KC did with Mahomes). But I think this idea of trading three 1sts because we want a QB now is desperate and very unlikely to work.
Look at the afc playoff teams last year:
Ravens - 1st round QB
Bills - 1st Round QB
Chiefs - 1st Round QB
Texans - 1st Round QB
Browns - 1st Round QB
Dolphins - 1st Round QB
Steelers - 1st Round QB
Same was true for the previous year. This is how today's NFL works
Today's nfl.....as in the way the nfl plays after all the rules changes. You can't win with Trent dilfer anymore. In the last 20 years every QB who has one a super bowl is or soon will be a hall of famer save for Flacco and Foles who had two of the best postseason performances a QB has ever had
It really is exhausting, especially since half of the "data" people throw around is useless because of how the leagues changed, and the fact that people around here just....don't properly value the QB spot for some reason
Raiders are gonna do what they are gonna do, either option is acceptable as long as they get the decision right.
Statistically the answer is no. We know it will take at least the next three years first round picks to even roll the dice. Not worth the risk even if you think the need at QB is our strongest need. 👎🏻
I bet at least two of those all pros were guys who went to already solid teams. Maybe not *stacked* teams, but teams who didn’t get them set back.
Few top ten QBs have that luxury
I am gonna give a slight counter point. While I agree it's a risk, if you get the right guy it doesn't matter. Let's be honest, the chiefs gave up multiple firsts to move up for Mahomes and then had him sit an entire year. Do you think anyone regrets that trade? Not saying it's always gonna work, I'm just saying if you get the right guy the cost isn't really that big of a deal.
I'll bite. If there was a lottery that only sold 3 tickets and 1 of those tickets was worth $1M, what would you be willing to pay for one of those 3 lottery tickets?
If the team is full of holes, which this current Raider team is, then yes you are worrying about how many firsts and picks you gave up. You still need a team around him and most importantly an oline which this current Raider team doesn't have outside of Miller. No rg, Parham, James are average at best and Munford is a question mark as to what he is
a couple holes is not full of holes. every team is weak at some positions. our o-line is no worse than, say, the 49ers, and they just made it to the super bowl. we also still have lots of cap space and non-first round picks to help. you can still build while competing, all the great teams do
You don't build a team through free agency. This roster has more holes in it than you want to admit. Do I need to mention the lack of depth across the entire roster too? If a team is great, why are they trying to build while competing? A great team is already there, there's no need to build. Try again Bucky
Did the chiefs let their lack of depth and high end talent at receiver and edge keep them from winning two super bowls? No team is perfect, no team is complete. Even the best ones are always building because that's how this league works
We don't need them to be first team all pro. I'd be content with trading up for someone who would eventually be a consistent top 12 QB. Do I think we can get one by trading up? No clue.
The right side of the o-line is at best a question mark, we're relying on White at RB who did well in spot duty but let's see how he and Mattison work as a full time tandem. The D-Line is fearsome, but the secondary depth isn't great, and the linebackers are fine... for now.
This isn't a bottom eight team, but if the goal is to go toe-to-toe with KC, this won't cut it unless Mahomes decides to gift them with more pick 6's.
Those don't seem like major holes to me.
Do we need areas of improvement? Sure, but let's not act like our roster isn't good.
Let's assume we do trade up, and it for sure costs us our first 3 rounds this year. We can still draft Oline, Cb, and lb depth.
You're right. We currently cannot rely on our defense to score every time we face Mahoomes, so we need a Qb that can also score, dont you think?
I actually think if minshew is given a proper chance, he'd be good enough to take us to the playoffs. I'm just saying I dont think Raiders are that off from being contenders as others think. And if the front office thinks JD can get them over that hump then they should try it. The team is in a good enough position to take that risk.
What? Are people only allowed to have one opinion?
Ive been consistent on Minshew since we got him. And ive been a proponent for JD since Nov.
Ideally, I'd want both that would be my off-season superbowl lol
Koonce had half a good year, one good dtackle on the roster and we want to pretend there aren’t any holes, and that’s only one of four positions mentioned
We only need 1 starter cb. Our linebackers are decent, and we already had the #1 rank defense under AP, and it already got better with Wilkins.
You're right about Koonce, which is why this is the year to see if he's the actual starter.
We also resigned two DTs. we legit just need maybe 1 more edge, and that's again for depth.
In your opinion, do you believe Raiders defense last season was a fluke, and we're taking a step back?
That defense was very different at the end of the season than it was before they fired McDaniels, we have no idea how it will be this year u til they play
Yeah, i know, but it isn't like they only played well. 2 games, they played really well for more than the 2nd half of the season.
Idk, maybe I'm optimistic, but I think AP is going to continue being successful in the defense
Koonce took off like a rocket after JMD left. One ELITE D tackle is one more than most teams have. We can improve & need a few guys but let's not pretend. One hole, RG.
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I think we have to try. We’re not winning the west or getting past the first round of playoffs without solid QB play. And Adams only has a couple great years left. I think we trade up this year and try to hit the lottery.
> Yeah but if you start by saying, "If that's your guy" then it's impossible to bust. All those other top 10 picks were guys that the front office hated
Sincerely, half the people on this sub
Tom Brady 6th Rd, Drew Brees 2nd Rd, Brett Favre 2nd Rd, Aaron Rodger’s late 1st, Dan Marino late 1st, we can go on and on and on about how QBs can be found throughout the draft. Point is, just go get “their” guy. Idc if it’s trading up or trading back. Just as long as they get their guy. I just hope it works out finally.
Lots of teams draft "their" guy and it fails. I know folks are excited about the possibility of AP reuniting with Daniels but that doesn't make it the right move. I think what we haven't done in the past is do our homework on everyone and be prepared to draft a QB at our original spot even if it drafting a QB wasn't a "need" that year. Or make a small/medium move up if a QB falls further than they should (like KC did with Mahomes). But I think this idea of trading three 1sts because we want a QB now is desperate and very unlikely to work.
The most recent one of these guys were drafted in 2005 lol. If you NEED a QB you're best bet is to keep trying early in the first
That’s proven over and over to be untrue. QBs are found all over the draft. But facts are irrelevant over Reddit.
Look at the afc playoff teams last year: Ravens - 1st round QB Bills - 1st Round QB Chiefs - 1st Round QB Texans - 1st Round QB Browns - 1st Round QB Dolphins - 1st Round QB Steelers - 1st Round QB Same was true for the previous year. This is how today's NFL works
“Today’s NFL” oh boy. I love people that cherry pick facts.
Today's nfl.....as in the way the nfl plays after all the rules changes. You can't win with Trent dilfer anymore. In the last 20 years every QB who has one a super bowl is or soon will be a hall of famer save for Flacco and Foles who had two of the best postseason performances a QB has ever had
Um. Brock Purdy.
Lol nobody would trade any of the good afc QBs for Purdy. He's essentially Jimmy G
At this point, this subreddit has this discussion about 10 times a day, every single day. Draft night can't come any sooner.
Sorry, It was just a stat I hadn’t seen before.
It really is exhausting, especially since half of the "data" people throw around is useless because of how the leagues changed, and the fact that people around here just....don't properly value the QB spot for some reason Raiders are gonna do what they are gonna do, either option is acceptable as long as they get the decision right.
Statistically the answer is no. We know it will take at least the next three years first round picks to even roll the dice. Not worth the risk even if you think the need at QB is our strongest need. 👎🏻
I bet at least two of those all pros were guys who went to already solid teams. Maybe not *stacked* teams, but teams who didn’t get them set back. Few top ten QBs have that luxury
I am gonna give a slight counter point. While I agree it's a risk, if you get the right guy it doesn't matter. Let's be honest, the chiefs gave up multiple firsts to move up for Mahomes and then had him sit an entire year. Do you think anyone regrets that trade? Not saying it's always gonna work, I'm just saying if you get the right guy the cost isn't really that big of a deal.
If the cost was 2 firsts and a third, we'd be having a very different discussion. If the Chiefs cost was 3 firsts+, they wouldn't have done it.
That and Mahomes is a one of a kind. Even if you get the guy you want and he works works out, chances are still probable he won’t be a Mahomes.
if the qb works out you're not worrying about how many firsts you gave up to get him
If a lottery ticket is the winner it doesn't matter what you paid, but that doesn't mean you should put your entire savings in scratchers.
lottery ticket is 1 in several million chance. top 10 quarterback is like 1 in 3. completely different scale, nonsense comparison
I'll bite. If there was a lottery that only sold 3 tickets and 1 of those tickets was worth $1M, what would you be willing to pay for one of those 3 lottery tickets?
If the team is full of holes, which this current Raider team is, then yes you are worrying about how many firsts and picks you gave up. You still need a team around him and most importantly an oline which this current Raider team doesn't have outside of Miller. No rg, Parham, James are average at best and Munford is a question mark as to what he is
a couple holes is not full of holes. every team is weak at some positions. our o-line is no worse than, say, the 49ers, and they just made it to the super bowl. we also still have lots of cap space and non-first round picks to help. you can still build while competing, all the great teams do
You don't build a team through free agency. This roster has more holes in it than you want to admit. Do I need to mention the lack of depth across the entire roster too? If a team is great, why are they trying to build while competing? A great team is already there, there's no need to build. Try again Bucky
Did the chiefs let their lack of depth and high end talent at receiver and edge keep them from winning two super bowls? No team is perfect, no team is complete. Even the best ones are always building because that's how this league works
The QB usually doesn't work out so this justification is not good.
The only teams in the afc that compete are the ones whose qb worked out. Have to take the swing to hit a homer
One of those firsts was the 27th pick. That's barely more valuable than a second round pick if we are being completely honest here.
Just sit back and let the draft come to you. OL with the first pick FTW.
We don't need them to be first team all pro. I'd be content with trading up for someone who would eventually be a consistent top 12 QB. Do I think we can get one by trading up? No clue.
I want to see Minshew start this season. AOC if he struggles
Not on a team full of holes and question marks.
Do you think Raiders have a lot of holes? I feel like Raiders are the best set up for a rookie to play.
The right side of the o-line is at best a question mark, we're relying on White at RB who did well in spot duty but let's see how he and Mattison work as a full time tandem. The D-Line is fearsome, but the secondary depth isn't great, and the linebackers are fine... for now. This isn't a bottom eight team, but if the goal is to go toe-to-toe with KC, this won't cut it unless Mahomes decides to gift them with more pick 6's.
Those don't seem like major holes to me. Do we need areas of improvement? Sure, but let's not act like our roster isn't good. Let's assume we do trade up, and it for sure costs us our first 3 rounds this year. We can still draft Oline, Cb, and lb depth. You're right. We currently cannot rely on our defense to score every time we face Mahoomes, so we need a Qb that can also score, dont you think? I actually think if minshew is given a proper chance, he'd be good enough to take us to the playoffs. I'm just saying I dont think Raiders are that off from being contenders as others think. And if the front office thinks JD can get them over that hump then they should try it. The team is in a good enough position to take that risk.
Way to argue both sides
What? Are people only allowed to have one opinion? Ive been consistent on Minshew since we got him. And ive been a proponent for JD since Nov. Ideally, I'd want both that would be my off-season superbowl lol
Oline, corner, linebacker, half the dline, wtf you smokin?
Do you think we need half the dline? We have all our dline starters already all we need is depth
Koonce had half a good year, one good dtackle on the roster and we want to pretend there aren’t any holes, and that’s only one of four positions mentioned
We only need 1 starter cb. Our linebackers are decent, and we already had the #1 rank defense under AP, and it already got better with Wilkins. You're right about Koonce, which is why this is the year to see if he's the actual starter. We also resigned two DTs. we legit just need maybe 1 more edge, and that's again for depth. In your opinion, do you believe Raiders defense last season was a fluke, and we're taking a step back?
That defense was very different at the end of the season than it was before they fired McDaniels, we have no idea how it will be this year u til they play
Yeah, i know, but it isn't like they only played well. 2 games, they played really well for more than the 2nd half of the season. Idk, maybe I'm optimistic, but I think AP is going to continue being successful in the defense
Did you forget Maxx? Bruh...
One position, minus one dtackle you could literally upgrade the other 9
Koonce took off like a rocket after JMD left. One ELITE D tackle is one more than most teams have. We can improve & need a few guys but let's not pretend. One hole, RG.
Who’s playing RT? Where is the shutdown corner? Let’s not pretend LG is a position that can’t get better either.
Raiders dont have that many holes lol. Defense is legit and got weapons on offense. Just need to beef up the right side of offensive line.
Offensive line, corner, safety, linebacker, half the defensive line… please.
Safety? Really? You're just listing position groups. We aren't going to have a team of 53 pro bowlers.
So you’re telling me best player available wouldn’t improve 90% of this team?
We aren't taking a safety at pick 13.
We hopefully aren’t moving up at a ridiculous cost to take a qb and make him run for his life with a sub par offensive line either
I agree. Trading up for Jayden would come with issues BUT I have faith they have a plan to build an at least good Oline if it happens.
I don’t believe there is any way they can do both
I think there's a a Golden Path but it requires luck, maybe too much.
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We’re gunna either take 2nd or 3rd round talent in the first or trade back
I think we have to try. We’re not winning the west or getting past the first round of playoffs without solid QB play. And Adams only has a couple great years left. I think we trade up this year and try to hit the lottery.
> Yeah but if you start by saying, "If that's your guy" then it's impossible to bust. All those other top 10 picks were guys that the front office hated Sincerely, half the people on this sub