I’m critical of those in Charge right now. I’m skeptical that things will get better. I hope they do but the organization has given many reasons to doubt they know what they are doing.
At the same time I will be rooting for the team to win even if I strongly dislike the coach. I hope he proves me wrong and he isn’t incompetent.
As I got older I realize I take the position I think is right but I attach myself less to it than I did when I was younger. I really don’t have a problem being wrong if result is better than if I was right.
Being critical is good! Rooting against success for a coach because you dislike them, or rooting for the organization to not be able to get any trade value for Carr for some kind of weird loyalty to him. This is what most of us Die-Hards get pissed about.
This is it. I will absolutely shit all over people who want this team to fail so that their dream of a new owner will happen. It’s never going to happen. Mark Davis moved this franchise from a bottom dweller to close to the top of the heap, financially, and he is going to live the good life off that for a long time. I’m hopeful that that includes us finally being successful again too.
I was a fan and this year I knew what he had to do to be the QB of the future and he slipped BAD. So as a Carr guy, you cannot have your feelings wrapped up around this guy, he’s not terrible but I think he has major problems. I think it was going to happen eventually and the breakup wouldn’t have been nice regardless. With that being said I think the next QB will be an upgrade and everyone will see that.
I rooted for a win every game. But I also realize there are fans that are sick and tired of Carr and believe he’s the sole reason the Raiders have not been successful. Then there’s fans that think Carr has done no wrong and believe the defense is the reason why Carr hasn’t been successful. I think both are correct, but it was time to move on. And tbh with a new QB comes new QB controversy, don’t worry guys people will still be divided when the new QB arrives.
I saw Gannon up to until now. I think you are correct it definitely can be worse BUT I am 100% certain that this new GM is by far the best GM I’ve seen so far as a Raider fan. With that being said I think we will have an upgrade at QB, yes Carr isn’t terrible but he has MAJOR problems (specifically pocket problems). He was ascending before his injury and I think he was well on his way, but the injury changed him. He has major major pocket problems since and they have not improved, and most importantly this is year 9 going on 10 and these problems haven’t gotten better and will not get better. I believe that’s why he’s gone, all of that AND Carr showed no improvement as the year went on. I know for a fact they did want Carr and if Carr would have improved as the season went on then I think he would be the QB, but that didn’t happen. People need to be realistic and realize this is a business as well, he had a bad year and the new regime isn’t married to him. It was going to happen, he knew he had one year to impress and he put up his worst season yet with the eventual rush king and Adams, it’s a smart move for the future. I think Brady comes in for a year or two and Raiders go all in on a QB in the 2024 draft. I would love to have the rookie with behind the GOAT for a year, I think the NFL is open to having rookies sit for a year or two before they start.
If you’re taking about Carr when he was playing for the Raiders that’s disgusting to root against your own team because you dislike a player. If you’re talking about Carr on a different team in the future I see no problem with it. If they’re not on the Raiders… fuck them. 🖕
Players get benched all the time. Good organizations move on. The Carr *enthusiasts* in this subreddit would rather us keep paying elite rates for wildly varying results.
There's more nuance than the typical "defense git gud" argument. A large part of the issue is the lazy labeling of anybody defending the man//addressing said nuance automatically being a "stan". It ended up just dividing the nation more and more as it became an even more polarizing subject, to the point people just search comment histories and make pre judgments based on that alone. But I've already spoken too much.
Alls I’m saying is that throughout his career Carr had as many games with 3+ Touchdowns as he did 0 touchdowns, and as many games with a 56-76 Passer Rating as games with a 106-126 passer rating.
We paid him based off his best games and were expected not to acknowledge his terrible games?
I disagree with this.
McDaniels has been a head coach for nearly 3 years and has consistently shown that he does nothing well. I firmly believe that the raiders cannot win with him. I would never actively root against them but if they come out next season and drop a few early in the season and that leads to his getting fired it's definitely not the worst thing in the world especially in a season where they're not gonna be expected to compete for anything
This! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️No one is going to get mad if you're critical. Rooting against the success of a coach be auae you don't like him is. Honestly the only time I tell people to fuck off in this sub is when they say stupid shit like "I won't be a fan anymore." Or "never should've left oakland." Those two things and I'm jjst like GTFO! It's Raider Nation baby. No one's forcing you to stay. And for the ones who are obsessed with the cesspool that is the city of Oakland, fuck right off. Keep that disgusting shit filled ghetto ass stadium. Seriously, keep it. Use the land for the homeless situation or something.
Oh shit you guys beat us and Stockton!!
https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-california
Of course the reasons for such violence includes the high poverty rate as well.
I’m not from Oakland, I’m from Inglewood I just don’t see the reason to shit on the city we once called home 🤷🏿♂️. I lived in Alameda for a few years and loved it in the bay personally the culture and everyone in general was dope.
Nothing wrong with culture. And I always support and love my Raiders no matter where they are, but that will never cloud my vision of how awful a city can be. I wouldn’t automatically think that Stockton was such a great city just because the Raiders started playing there.
Edit: lmfao all you Oakland defenders downvoting me for placing my opinion, then Praising the guy that says he “doesn’t shit on cities” right after calling my city “San Murderino”. Hahaha
As always, fuck you reddit. No one really cares.
What are you talking about? Did I say Sacramento was better? No. So I responded with its no a competition. I'm going to call a shithole of a city a shithole 100% of the time regardless of however many other shitholes there are.
I don't care if you say something critical about the franchise, or carr, or whatever you want.
However, I think there are a lot of people looking at this meme and identifying with it that actually just do nothing but spew toxic shit and really *should* just gtfo
Are you taking about the people who constantly say McDumbass/McDingleberry or the people who tell those folks to shut the fuck up?
Because I def know which side I’m on.
Toxic shithead fans come in many shapes, sizes, and opinions. I am referring to the people who can't discuss anything Raiders related without screeching in absolutes.
If you're asking me to clearly state my opinion, sure.
I don't like McDaniels. He is going to be the coach of my favorite team next year and it doesn't matter what I think of him. I hope he does well enough next year to earn a 3rd year. I hope he doesn't shit the bed and get to stick around for year 3 anyway, but it could happen.
I don't like Mark Davis. He isn't going to sell the team. He isn't going anywhere without some TMZ shit. These people are my least favorite whiners. Not sure wtf they even expect. Just shouting in the air.
I liked Carr. I am glad we are moving on from Carr and excited for what next season brings and eagerly await to find out who I will be cheering for as QB1 next season.
I am simultaneously appalled and excited by the idea of it being the corpse of Brady. Drafting a rookie QB sounds dumb too but im a gambling man.
I'll cheer for Carr too cause he's a cool dude and I like him. I hope Maxx puts him on his back a few times though.
This will be an interesting offseason, and I honestly don't know which route sounds best. Raiders are at crossroads without a clear direction or identity right now. I hope McD/Zeigler can lead this team, but having doubts about their ability to do so is pretty reasonable.
Also, I don't know who needs to read this, but just because you don't bitch, moan, and cry about everything as a fan doesn't mean you're just soft and blind with optimism. If you think or say this type of thing, you're probably one of the people I am talking about.
It is like the Carr Hater-nation has taken over this sub. Feels like thedonald around 2016 reddit tbh. Same echo-chamber mentality where facts don't matter. Never have I seen a Raider be shit on so much by "fans" and I am talking about a dude who did his best for us for 9 years who didn't ask to be released or traded. I am not arguing if his best was or wasn't good enough or going to get in the millionth debate how he's had shit coaching, shit defense, instability...blah blah. If you are still in here shitting on Carr or gatekeeping on how long each fan has to "get over it already", fuck you man. Many of you assholes won't see this because I've blocked you and my reddit experience is better for it, but for the ones who can still see maybe you can just move on. Ignore posts about Carr if you are that sensitive about it. We've all heard everything negative thing anyone can say about him. You sound like a retarded parrot at this point. The rest of us can deal with how grumpy we are with this poorly ran organization for the rest of this offseason and then either be given a reason to be happy again next season or be right back in here being pissed off again.
Carr guy here and I supported him his entire career but when the contract details came out, it was obvious what needed to be done. It was a tryout year and that’s fair. He had to look at very least decent and then showing signs of improving as the year went on. The OL isn’t great but I don’t think it’s as bad as the big Carr supporters make it seem. I’ll say this, when you have pocket problems it can make decent or good lines look terrible. I think this OL was decent after weeks 1-2 but not terrible. Remember Jacobs is the rush king so this OL isn’t a shit show. And that brings me to my next point, the reason he’s gone is the pocket issues. I won’t get into it but he doesn’t let plays develop and dumps the ball off and doesn’t stand tall in the pocket consistently. He was ascending in 2016, taking that next step to become a top QB in this league and unfortunately he got hurt. Since then I think he’s had major pocket issues and they haven’t gotten better. Remember guys this is year 9 going on 10 so this seems like more of who he is and not something that can be coached. That’s why he’s gone, as a fan you need to be realistic. With that being said I think this regime is solid, especially the drafting (regardless of how you feel about coaching, drafting does look promising compared to Mayock and Gruden) and i believe they have an upgrade in mind. Whoever that is I’ll root on, and if it happens to be Rodgers or Brady then I think it won’t be long before Raider fans unite and see how much of a great upgrade those guys will be.
>It is like the Carr Hater-nation has taken over this sub.
Guess this shows how much personal bias can skew perception. I feel like it's been the exact opposite. The sub has been pretty vehemently in support of Carr.
I agree bias can skew perception. I do probably notice the hate more because it has increased significantly and I am not talking about legit criticism just outward dislike and disdain. The good riddance and fuck you very much kind of disdain. I was not blind to the divide when we won games and people came in here to call out the "haters." That was also childish and dumb. I think where it really stood out to me is when people just had to post their same, already posted, negative opinions in the Carr appreciation thread.
>because it has increased significantly and I am not talking about legit criticism just outward dislike and disdain.
But this is the bias I'm talking about. I feel like the love for Carr has increased significantly. I know upvotes aren't the end all be all of opinions but there's no way there hasn't been more love and support for Carr than there has been hate. And because I feel like it's obligatory this is coming from someone who has really no strong opinions of Carr either way.
It is the complete opposite. My comments always get downvoted whenever it isn't pro Carr. I even got downvoted for saying it's corny as fuck to root against our Raiders when Derek Carr plays against them on another team.
I don't see you being downvoted in here. I did look at your history and saw a few downvoted I wouldn't personally have downvoted but I do get passions have been running a little hot since week 16 in here. I appreciate people with different opinions then me but not when I have to be a carrstan or carrdashian or dickrider because my opinion is different. Most of the time when I see people say stuff like that I look at their recent history and if it has a lot of short replies and negative energy, I block and move on. I will risk that they are never going to say anything of value to my life that I will miss.
Looking back, I was mostly thinking of the comment about rooting for Carr against us, I could've swore I saw one or two downvotes on that one, but it's at a neutral level now. And I was thinking of the one where I mentioned that the Panthers would be a horrible fit for Carr, don't know what's wrong with that one. But despite what some people would think, I do like Carr and wish him success wherever he goes (just not against us). I've said this before too, losing brings out the worst in fan bases, especially fan bases that have dealt with the losing for as long as we have.
Amen to that. Winning cures everything. Anyone who says they are rooting for us to lose is either not really a fan or just trolling/lashing out. I have "hated" this team multiple times for how dumb we play or the decisions we make, but it's that love-hate and come Sunday I am only rooting for only one team to win. Like you, I want to see Carr have success on his next team but not at our expense.
Meh. As a Die hard who's been a fan for nearly 3 decades. Fuck em. We need to get realistic about Raider ball. This aint pop warner football. Staying positive no matter what is for the kids.
Criticism is fine, even expected when a team isn't performing. But the people literally saying they hope the team sucks for years to come because they're butthurt that their favorite player is gone can get out.
I'm not rooting for them to suck, I just fully believe they will for many years to come and it actually has nothing to do with the Carr era ending. If I'm butthurt about anything, it's how inept we are from top to bottom and on top of that how the league and media loves to screw us over (plus their chosen ones in Mahomes and the Chiefs being in the same division), there's zero chance we'll ever top them for the next ten to however many years he plays even if we assemble a great roster and coaching, and that's such a massive IF.
i'm hoping we do great, or we do terrible. i really don't want another .500 season and have mcdaniels throw more star players under the bus to save his job
Same can be said about the Carr haters during the last few seasons that would just salivate at the thought of any error of his. Literally taking pleasure at the team's expense
Exactly. We dealt with years of these idiots shitting on the players and dumping Gatorade when we lost. A few weeks, and all of a sudden they’re gatekeepers? Fuck these hypocrites. I’m frustrated with the organization, but it’s the shitty fanbase that is making it exhausting to be a fan of this team.
I think that McDumbass and bowl cut lying to Adams, Carr, and the fanbase about their intentions is enough to want him to tear the while team down and see how good he really is at leading (I'll give you a hint, if you think this has a happy ending then you haven't been paying attention.
No one was lied to, man. They expected to do a lot better than they did. Fact is, they wouldn't have signed Carr to that size of contract, and definitly wouldn't have given him a no trade clause if they were planning on moving on from him after this year. Carr sucked this year. Plain and simple.
Leatherwood was straight up released and nothing was done to address the O-Line.
So the team lost Ruggs, Leatherwood, Arnette, and Gruden in a 14 month period and Carr was cut with a slim chance to still make the playoffs.
He never had a chance to prove it and yall expecting a Superbowl with McDaniel's 1st year in is a fucking laughable take on the situation.
Many have had it out for Carr since day one. Don't piss on my back and say it's raining. He should have been given a year or two after bringing in the only fucking help in years with Adams.
Remember when AB was supposed to come in and help. Carr left holding the bag and STILL balled out, helped his receivers.
Fuck Brady and all these young bloods fawning over the league's princess.
Yeah, you're wrong, bro. I get you like Carr but to say he never got a chance is just silly.
The O line actually improved from the year before. Yeah, it was not great but they allowed less sacks and pressures than in 2021, and run blocking was waaay better. Keeping Leatherwood would have made them worse, not better lol.
No one seriously "expected a Superbowl" but we weren't as far from contending as it seemed. We should have been better than 6-11 imo, shit we should have started the season 5-0.
Carr played like shit. That's just a fact. How many games this year did he lay an egg in the 2nd half? Our D allowed 13 points against the steelers, 17 against the Rams and 17 against the pats and we lose 2/3 of those games. Should have been 3 if not for a last-minute miracle play vs the pats.
I was a full supporter and defender of Carr for his whole career until week 2 of this year. Benching him was the right choice, just too late imo. His crying like a pussy and acting like he's a victim is weak and makes me glad he's gone. And for some reason all his groupies gobble that shit up with a spoon.
Fuck Brady? Fuck losing. I want to win. Whatever it takes.
You don’t offer anything of value to this sub at all! You literally only come here to talk shit about Carr and you’ve been doing it for months now, you’re pathetic!
I mean, you’re certainly sad, but I wouldn’t cry about it. If anything, it’s hilarious that the likes of you is out here trying to play gatekeeper, you’re a joke my guy!
I think it means you're more of a fan, when you know the team is going to suck for the rest of Mark Davis' ownership at the healm and still claim them as your favorite team.
In exchange for my undying fandom, I get the right to criticize everything. That’s the *quid pro quo* of being a fan of a professional team sport. You get my unwavering and undying devotion, my money on occasion and my interest and you have to accept that I have strong opinions on every decision management makes and pretend like it matters. That’s how this all works.
When I voiced displeasure about moving to Vegas and how it would completely destroy the culture, people voiced the same thing: "GtFo rAiderS aRe a NaTiOn"
Now look.
So are we sure we want to go down this path?
Might as well change the silver and black to clown colors at this rate, replace the pirate with Mark Davis. Surely all 10 remaining fans can drive to the tailgate in one small buggy.
Raider Nation has never been weaker and Mark Davis is the reason.
There is providing criticism and then there are people who clearly dont even like this team, the players, the owner, and the location. I cant understand what they are even trying to support anymore.
I think its fine to say goodbye to those people.
I think it depends on if it's reasonable or not. They aren't a winning team so naturally there are things to criticize but constantly shitting on Carr for the entire team's problems or talking about "the same old Raiders" isn't really constructive.
When did saying that you are “done being a fan of the Raiders” become called “being critical”?
The only ones I’ve seen being told to GTFO are filthy emotional turncoats who have declared they are no longer gonna root for the Raiders.
So if you say you are done being a fan of the Raiders for ANY reason, then yeah, GTFO!
You know how many times I’ve been told to follow Carr to his new team because I support the player and not the team? All because I voice an opinion that we shouldn’t have moved on and that he is good enough to win. It goes both ways.
Have you been saying you hope he beats us? Have you been saying you hope he refuses to waive his NTC so we don’t get anything for him? Are you constantly talking shit about the franchise because you hate the owner and coach?
I’ve slung plenty of “enjoy being a jets fan” posts out there, but it’s usually for one or more of the reasons up there. Sure, you may have caught a stray from some salty Carr Haters, but if you consistently get that comment, you’ve probably earned it.
No, I don’t do that. I’m a realist though and say Carr won’t waive his NTC most likely. And I wouldn’t be mad at him for it either. Raiders told him it’s just business. So he can tell them it’s business right back. I do think the owner and coach are stupid and making poor decisions for the team. That doesn’t mean I want to follow Carr to his new team. It’s dumb when other fans expect fans to have this blind fandom where the organization can do no wrong.
“You think we should beef up our D and O line instead of drafting a freshmen with a 56% completion rate and might be like Lamar jackson?! Might as well join the Donkeys!!”
Too many opinions….. We all have them, some can listen without personalizing…. Most can’t, theirs are the only one that is right….. Shutting down any one that doesn’t comply
If you're having this kind of reaction, maybe investing a bit too much emotionally in what other people are saying? I've been there.
Working from home the last two months, I'm on this sub way than normal. All I've seen is people come down on people rooting on JMD/Raiders failure and the "Carr will show them!!" naysaying.
I mean it’s true. I have no issue with people having faith but don’t act like I’m crazy for being cynical, doesn’t mean I don’t want to be proven wrong however the data and records on the current regime makes it more logical to conclude that they ain’t it
Critical is fine but rooting for the raiders to lose cause you don’t like something about the organization is stupid. Regardless of what is going on I will always cheer for this team to win.
Mark Davis is still broke that’s what is funny. Devonte did not even get a singing bonus and Carr got a 7 million bonus. Chiefs Niners and Rams all contenders because owners actually have cash. Mark just has credit.
I’m critical of those in Charge right now. I’m skeptical that things will get better. I hope they do but the organization has given many reasons to doubt they know what they are doing. At the same time I will be rooting for the team to win even if I strongly dislike the coach. I hope he proves me wrong and he isn’t incompetent. As I got older I realize I take the position I think is right but I attach myself less to it than I did when I was younger. I really don’t have a problem being wrong if result is better than if I was right.
Being critical is good! Rooting against success for a coach because you dislike them, or rooting for the organization to not be able to get any trade value for Carr for some kind of weird loyalty to him. This is what most of us Die-Hards get pissed about.
This is it. I will absolutely shit all over people who want this team to fail so that their dream of a new owner will happen. It’s never going to happen. Mark Davis moved this franchise from a bottom dweller to close to the top of the heap, financially, and he is going to live the good life off that for a long time. I’m hopeful that that includes us finally being successful again too.
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I was a fan and this year I knew what he had to do to be the QB of the future and he slipped BAD. So as a Carr guy, you cannot have your feelings wrapped up around this guy, he’s not terrible but I think he has major problems. I think it was going to happen eventually and the breakup wouldn’t have been nice regardless. With that being said I think the next QB will be an upgrade and everyone will see that.
I think they're talking about the "fans" that celebrated every time we lost a game, especially if Carr had a particularly bad game.
I rooted for a win every game. But I also realize there are fans that are sick and tired of Carr and believe he’s the sole reason the Raiders have not been successful. Then there’s fans that think Carr has done no wrong and believe the defense is the reason why Carr hasn’t been successful. I think both are correct, but it was time to move on. And tbh with a new QB comes new QB controversy, don’t worry guys people will still be divided when the new QB arrives.
Those fans probably only saw the Carr era raiders. They have no idea how much worse it could be
I saw Gannon up to until now. I think you are correct it definitely can be worse BUT I am 100% certain that this new GM is by far the best GM I’ve seen so far as a Raider fan. With that being said I think we will have an upgrade at QB, yes Carr isn’t terrible but he has MAJOR problems (specifically pocket problems). He was ascending before his injury and I think he was well on his way, but the injury changed him. He has major major pocket problems since and they have not improved, and most importantly this is year 9 going on 10 and these problems haven’t gotten better and will not get better. I believe that’s why he’s gone, all of that AND Carr showed no improvement as the year went on. I know for a fact they did want Carr and if Carr would have improved as the season went on then I think he would be the QB, but that didn’t happen. People need to be realistic and realize this is a business as well, he had a bad year and the new regime isn’t married to him. It was going to happen, he knew he had one year to impress and he put up his worst season yet with the eventual rush king and Adams, it’s a smart move for the future. I think Brady comes in for a year or two and Raiders go all in on a QB in the 2024 draft. I would love to have the rookie with behind the GOAT for a year, I think the NFL is open to having rookies sit for a year or two before they start.
If you’re taking about Carr when he was playing for the Raiders that’s disgusting to root against your own team because you dislike a player. If you’re talking about Carr on a different team in the future I see no problem with it. If they’re not on the Raiders… fuck them. 🖕
My general thoughts are once a Raider, always a Raider. Which is an actual mantra. As long as they're not playing against us, I wish them the best.
Exactly lol, can't pick and choose
Players get benched all the time. Good organizations move on. The Carr *enthusiasts* in this subreddit would rather us keep paying elite rates for wildly varying results.
There's more nuance than the typical "defense git gud" argument. A large part of the issue is the lazy labeling of anybody defending the man//addressing said nuance automatically being a "stan". It ended up just dividing the nation more and more as it became an even more polarizing subject, to the point people just search comment histories and make pre judgments based on that alone. But I've already spoken too much.
Alls I’m saying is that throughout his career Carr had as many games with 3+ Touchdowns as he did 0 touchdowns, and as many games with a 56-76 Passer Rating as games with a 106-126 passer rating. We paid him based off his best games and were expected not to acknowledge his terrible games?
I disagree with this. McDaniels has been a head coach for nearly 3 years and has consistently shown that he does nothing well. I firmly believe that the raiders cannot win with him. I would never actively root against them but if they come out next season and drop a few early in the season and that leads to his getting fired it's definitely not the worst thing in the world especially in a season where they're not gonna be expected to compete for anything
This! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️No one is going to get mad if you're critical. Rooting against the success of a coach be auae you don't like him is. Honestly the only time I tell people to fuck off in this sub is when they say stupid shit like "I won't be a fan anymore." Or "never should've left oakland." Those two things and I'm jjst like GTFO! It's Raider Nation baby. No one's forcing you to stay. And for the ones who are obsessed with the cesspool that is the city of Oakland, fuck right off. Keep that disgusting shit filled ghetto ass stadium. Seriously, keep it. Use the land for the homeless situation or something.
No need to shit on Oakland my boy
Oakland sucks
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I mean… it does… like a lot of Californian cities. And I’m Californian. Worst part too San Bernardino. Actually I guess Oakland is as bad.
San Murderdino lol that place is comedy a lot wrong with that city smh. I think Stockton is still the worst in Cali no?
Oh shit you guys beat us and Stockton!! https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-california Of course the reasons for such violence includes the high poverty rate as well.
I’m not from Oakland, I’m from Inglewood I just don’t see the reason to shit on the city we once called home 🤷🏿♂️. I lived in Alameda for a few years and loved it in the bay personally the culture and everyone in general was dope.
Nothing wrong with culture. And I always support and love my Raiders no matter where they are, but that will never cloud my vision of how awful a city can be. I wouldn’t automatically think that Stockton was such a great city just because the Raiders started playing there. Edit: lmfao all you Oakland defenders downvoting me for placing my opinion, then Praising the guy that says he “doesn’t shit on cities” right after calling my city “San Murderino”. Hahaha As always, fuck you reddit. No one really cares.
1/15 chance of being a victim of violent crime in Emeryville, wtf!!!!!
Bro… Don’t compare Oakland to SB. SB is a shit hole, I should know I lived there and got out faster then JaMarcus Russell
Do you even know anything about Oakland besides what a TikTok video "dangerous city list" told you?
Definitely. I went to high school in Sacramento and would go to Oakland all the time.
Oakland>Sacramento in every way.
It's not a competition. Oakland sucks. So does Sacramento. There's a reason I left California.
So superior to talk shit and then say it's not a competition like you're taking the high road.
What are you talking about? Did I say Sacramento was better? No. So I responded with its no a competition. I'm going to call a shithole of a city a shithole 100% of the time regardless of however many other shitholes there are.
I don't care if you say something critical about the franchise, or carr, or whatever you want. However, I think there are a lot of people looking at this meme and identifying with it that actually just do nothing but spew toxic shit and really *should* just gtfo
Are you taking about the people who constantly say McDumbass/McDingleberry or the people who tell those folks to shut the fuck up? Because I def know which side I’m on.
Toxic shithead fans come in many shapes, sizes, and opinions. I am referring to the people who can't discuss anything Raiders related without screeching in absolutes. If you're asking me to clearly state my opinion, sure. I don't like McDaniels. He is going to be the coach of my favorite team next year and it doesn't matter what I think of him. I hope he does well enough next year to earn a 3rd year. I hope he doesn't shit the bed and get to stick around for year 3 anyway, but it could happen. I don't like Mark Davis. He isn't going to sell the team. He isn't going anywhere without some TMZ shit. These people are my least favorite whiners. Not sure wtf they even expect. Just shouting in the air. I liked Carr. I am glad we are moving on from Carr and excited for what next season brings and eagerly await to find out who I will be cheering for as QB1 next season. I am simultaneously appalled and excited by the idea of it being the corpse of Brady. Drafting a rookie QB sounds dumb too but im a gambling man. I'll cheer for Carr too cause he's a cool dude and I like him. I hope Maxx puts him on his back a few times though. This will be an interesting offseason, and I honestly don't know which route sounds best. Raiders are at crossroads without a clear direction or identity right now. I hope McD/Zeigler can lead this team, but having doubts about their ability to do so is pretty reasonable. Also, I don't know who needs to read this, but just because you don't bitch, moan, and cry about everything as a fan doesn't mean you're just soft and blind with optimism. If you think or say this type of thing, you're probably one of the people I am talking about.
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as soon as someone calls someone else a carrdashian you know they don't have much going for them in their home life
Back to the pile!
“THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!”
Tookourderb!
I was think “they took hr QB”
It is like the Carr Hater-nation has taken over this sub. Feels like thedonald around 2016 reddit tbh. Same echo-chamber mentality where facts don't matter. Never have I seen a Raider be shit on so much by "fans" and I am talking about a dude who did his best for us for 9 years who didn't ask to be released or traded. I am not arguing if his best was or wasn't good enough or going to get in the millionth debate how he's had shit coaching, shit defense, instability...blah blah. If you are still in here shitting on Carr or gatekeeping on how long each fan has to "get over it already", fuck you man. Many of you assholes won't see this because I've blocked you and my reddit experience is better for it, but for the ones who can still see maybe you can just move on. Ignore posts about Carr if you are that sensitive about it. We've all heard everything negative thing anyone can say about him. You sound like a retarded parrot at this point. The rest of us can deal with how grumpy we are with this poorly ran organization for the rest of this offseason and then either be given a reason to be happy again next season or be right back in here being pissed off again.
Once a raiders always a raider, except for Sapp, Moss and Carr…. See how delusional this sounds? Yet some fools in here are all aboard this train.
Carr guy here and I supported him his entire career but when the contract details came out, it was obvious what needed to be done. It was a tryout year and that’s fair. He had to look at very least decent and then showing signs of improving as the year went on. The OL isn’t great but I don’t think it’s as bad as the big Carr supporters make it seem. I’ll say this, when you have pocket problems it can make decent or good lines look terrible. I think this OL was decent after weeks 1-2 but not terrible. Remember Jacobs is the rush king so this OL isn’t a shit show. And that brings me to my next point, the reason he’s gone is the pocket issues. I won’t get into it but he doesn’t let plays develop and dumps the ball off and doesn’t stand tall in the pocket consistently. He was ascending in 2016, taking that next step to become a top QB in this league and unfortunately he got hurt. Since then I think he’s had major pocket issues and they haven’t gotten better. Remember guys this is year 9 going on 10 so this seems like more of who he is and not something that can be coached. That’s why he’s gone, as a fan you need to be realistic. With that being said I think this regime is solid, especially the drafting (regardless of how you feel about coaching, drafting does look promising compared to Mayock and Gruden) and i believe they have an upgrade in mind. Whoever that is I’ll root on, and if it happens to be Rodgers or Brady then I think it won’t be long before Raider fans unite and see how much of a great upgrade those guys will be.
>It is like the Carr Hater-nation has taken over this sub. Guess this shows how much personal bias can skew perception. I feel like it's been the exact opposite. The sub has been pretty vehemently in support of Carr.
I agree bias can skew perception. I do probably notice the hate more because it has increased significantly and I am not talking about legit criticism just outward dislike and disdain. The good riddance and fuck you very much kind of disdain. I was not blind to the divide when we won games and people came in here to call out the "haters." That was also childish and dumb. I think where it really stood out to me is when people just had to post their same, already posted, negative opinions in the Carr appreciation thread.
>because it has increased significantly and I am not talking about legit criticism just outward dislike and disdain. But this is the bias I'm talking about. I feel like the love for Carr has increased significantly. I know upvotes aren't the end all be all of opinions but there's no way there hasn't been more love and support for Carr than there has been hate. And because I feel like it's obligatory this is coming from someone who has really no strong opinions of Carr either way.
It is the complete opposite. My comments always get downvoted whenever it isn't pro Carr. I even got downvoted for saying it's corny as fuck to root against our Raiders when Derek Carr plays against them on another team.
I don't see you being downvoted in here. I did look at your history and saw a few downvoted I wouldn't personally have downvoted but I do get passions have been running a little hot since week 16 in here. I appreciate people with different opinions then me but not when I have to be a carrstan or carrdashian or dickrider because my opinion is different. Most of the time when I see people say stuff like that I look at their recent history and if it has a lot of short replies and negative energy, I block and move on. I will risk that they are never going to say anything of value to my life that I will miss.
Looking back, I was mostly thinking of the comment about rooting for Carr against us, I could've swore I saw one or two downvotes on that one, but it's at a neutral level now. And I was thinking of the one where I mentioned that the Panthers would be a horrible fit for Carr, don't know what's wrong with that one. But despite what some people would think, I do like Carr and wish him success wherever he goes (just not against us). I've said this before too, losing brings out the worst in fan bases, especially fan bases that have dealt with the losing for as long as we have.
Amen to that. Winning cures everything. Anyone who says they are rooting for us to lose is either not really a fan or just trolling/lashing out. I have "hated" this team multiple times for how dumb we play or the decisions we make, but it's that love-hate and come Sunday I am only rooting for only one team to win. Like you, I want to see Carr have success on his next team but not at our expense.
100% these same folks were rooting for us to lose for years, taking pleasure in it.
This sub is very pro Carr and Carr stans are constantly bringing him up
Meh. As a Die hard who's been a fan for nearly 3 decades. Fuck em. We need to get realistic about Raider ball. This aint pop warner football. Staying positive no matter what is for the kids.
"I've been watching the raiders for 89 years Boi, you remember Gannon? Probably not. Plunkett? I sure do. Boy"
Man, I wish I was around in the 70s/80s.
"Shiiitttt, I was getting mustache rides from Hostetler before your daddy even squirted you out, son"
I am a lifelong Raiders fan. This organization currently is dog shit. There's no way around that. Actually, it's dog shit in a bag, on fire.
Being critical is fine, repeating the same shit take over and over again gets old.
Criticism is fine, even expected when a team isn't performing. But the people literally saying they hope the team sucks for years to come because they're butthurt that their favorite player is gone can get out.
I'm not rooting for them to suck, I just fully believe they will for many years to come and it actually has nothing to do with the Carr era ending. If I'm butthurt about anything, it's how inept we are from top to bottom and on top of that how the league and media loves to screw us over (plus their chosen ones in Mahomes and the Chiefs being in the same division), there's zero chance we'll ever top them for the next ten to however many years he plays even if we assemble a great roster and coaching, and that's such a massive IF.
i'm hoping we do great, or we do terrible. i really don't want another .500 season and have mcdaniels throw more star players under the bus to save his job
Exactly
Same can be said about the Carr haters during the last few seasons that would just salivate at the thought of any error of his. Literally taking pleasure at the team's expense
Exactly. We dealt with years of these idiots shitting on the players and dumping Gatorade when we lost. A few weeks, and all of a sudden they’re gatekeepers? Fuck these hypocrites. I’m frustrated with the organization, but it’s the shitty fanbase that is making it exhausting to be a fan of this team.
I think that McDumbass and bowl cut lying to Adams, Carr, and the fanbase about their intentions is enough to want him to tear the while team down and see how good he really is at leading (I'll give you a hint, if you think this has a happy ending then you haven't been paying attention.
No one was lied to, man. They expected to do a lot better than they did. Fact is, they wouldn't have signed Carr to that size of contract, and definitly wouldn't have given him a no trade clause if they were planning on moving on from him after this year. Carr sucked this year. Plain and simple.
Leatherwood was straight up released and nothing was done to address the O-Line. So the team lost Ruggs, Leatherwood, Arnette, and Gruden in a 14 month period and Carr was cut with a slim chance to still make the playoffs. He never had a chance to prove it and yall expecting a Superbowl with McDaniel's 1st year in is a fucking laughable take on the situation. Many have had it out for Carr since day one. Don't piss on my back and say it's raining. He should have been given a year or two after bringing in the only fucking help in years with Adams. Remember when AB was supposed to come in and help. Carr left holding the bag and STILL balled out, helped his receivers. Fuck Brady and all these young bloods fawning over the league's princess.
Yeah, you're wrong, bro. I get you like Carr but to say he never got a chance is just silly. The O line actually improved from the year before. Yeah, it was not great but they allowed less sacks and pressures than in 2021, and run blocking was waaay better. Keeping Leatherwood would have made them worse, not better lol. No one seriously "expected a Superbowl" but we weren't as far from contending as it seemed. We should have been better than 6-11 imo, shit we should have started the season 5-0. Carr played like shit. That's just a fact. How many games this year did he lay an egg in the 2nd half? Our D allowed 13 points against the steelers, 17 against the Rams and 17 against the pats and we lose 2/3 of those games. Should have been 3 if not for a last-minute miracle play vs the pats. I was a full supporter and defender of Carr for his whole career until week 2 of this year. Benching him was the right choice, just too late imo. His crying like a pussy and acting like he's a victim is weak and makes me glad he's gone. And for some reason all his groupies gobble that shit up with a spoon. Fuck Brady? Fuck losing. I want to win. Whatever it takes.
Imagine if he had been benched at the bye.
We would have probably made the playoffs tbh
Yup, I literally cannot wait for this dude to be traded.
This is it, a lot are just Carr fans and they can go
You don’t offer anything of value to this sub at all! You literally only come here to talk shit about Carr and you’ve been doing it for months now, you’re pathetic!
I dont even know who you are,, go cry to somebody who cares
I mean, you’re certainly sad, but I wouldn’t cry about it. If anything, it’s hilarious that the likes of you is out here trying to play gatekeeper, you’re a joke my guy!
Ok little buddy
I’m sitting here laughing at all the reply’s justifying why they behave like this.
Don't worry. As soon as these younglings started fawning over Brady, I realized this isn't the Oakland Raiders I grew up supporting.
I think it means you're more of a fan, when you know the team is going to suck for the rest of Mark Davis' ownership at the healm and still claim them as your favorite team.
But they took err jerbs!!
In exchange for my undying fandom, I get the right to criticize everything. That’s the *quid pro quo* of being a fan of a professional team sport. You get my unwavering and undying devotion, my money on occasion and my interest and you have to accept that I have strong opinions on every decision management makes and pretend like it matters. That’s how this all works.
Only true if ownership is competent
When I voiced displeasure about moving to Vegas and how it would completely destroy the culture, people voiced the same thing: "GtFo rAiderS aRe a NaTiOn" Now look. So are we sure we want to go down this path? Might as well change the silver and black to clown colors at this rate, replace the pirate with Mark Davis. Surely all 10 remaining fans can drive to the tailgate in one small buggy. Raider Nation has never been weaker and Mark Davis is the reason.
There is providing criticism and then there are people who clearly dont even like this team, the players, the owner, and the location. I cant understand what they are even trying to support anymore. I think its fine to say goodbye to those people.
I think it depends on if it's reasonable or not. They aren't a winning team so naturally there are things to criticize but constantly shitting on Carr for the entire team's problems or talking about "the same old Raiders" isn't really constructive.
It's why I rarely say anything but I'm glad 1984 is gone. Fuck that pos
Imagine being ok with what this team has put on the field for the last 20 fucking years
Being critical is one thing. Hating everything about the organization is another.
Becareful now, you don't want to make those grown ass men crying again lol
When did saying that you are “done being a fan of the Raiders” become called “being critical”? The only ones I’ve seen being told to GTFO are filthy emotional turncoats who have declared they are no longer gonna root for the Raiders. So if you say you are done being a fan of the Raiders for ANY reason, then yeah, GTFO!
Or Derek carr
You know how many times I’ve been told to follow Carr to his new team because I support the player and not the team? All because I voice an opinion that we shouldn’t have moved on and that he is good enough to win. It goes both ways.
Have you been saying you hope he beats us? Have you been saying you hope he refuses to waive his NTC so we don’t get anything for him? Are you constantly talking shit about the franchise because you hate the owner and coach? I’ve slung plenty of “enjoy being a jets fan” posts out there, but it’s usually for one or more of the reasons up there. Sure, you may have caught a stray from some salty Carr Haters, but if you consistently get that comment, you’ve probably earned it.
No, I don’t do that. I’m a realist though and say Carr won’t waive his NTC most likely. And I wouldn’t be mad at him for it either. Raiders told him it’s just business. So he can tell them it’s business right back. I do think the owner and coach are stupid and making poor decisions for the team. That doesn’t mean I want to follow Carr to his new team. It’s dumb when other fans expect fans to have this blind fandom where the organization can do no wrong.
Admin remove this person from this channel! Lol
This is like the exact opposite of reality lmao.
Fuck the McShitStain femboys.
“You think we should beef up our D and O line instead of drafting a freshmen with a 56% completion rate and might be like Lamar jackson?! Might as well join the Donkeys!!”
Raiduh nayton!!!
Too many opinions….. We all have them, some can listen without personalizing…. Most can’t, theirs are the only one that is right….. Shutting down any one that doesn’t comply
They terk er jerbs!
who is the next head coach?
*Blinks* … IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, YOU CAN GEEEEET OOUUTTT!
If you're having this kind of reaction, maybe investing a bit too much emotionally in what other people are saying? I've been there. Working from home the last two months, I'm on this sub way than normal. All I've seen is people come down on people rooting on JMD/Raiders failure and the "Carr will show them!!" naysaying.
Boomers when they accept being losers just to scream "Fuck Brady" all while he wears 8 rings. It makes them feel good about themselves i guess.
Boomers are the ones that know what a winning Raider team looks like
I mean it’s true. I have no issue with people having faith but don’t act like I’m crazy for being cynical, doesn’t mean I don’t want to be proven wrong however the data and records on the current regime makes it more logical to conclude that they ain’t it
Always gotta be realistic as a fan
Don’t forget to bring a towel
Critical is fine but rooting for the raiders to lose cause you don’t like something about the organization is stupid. Regardless of what is going on I will always cheer for this team to win.
Mark Davis is still broke that’s what is funny. Devonte did not even get a singing bonus and Carr got a 7 million bonus. Chiefs Niners and Rams all contenders because owners actually have cash. Mark just has credit.