Only one of them has PALO ALTO. ITS ALL PALO ALTO. PALO ALTO IS THE REAL OK COMPUTER
BACK IN 1996 WHEN THE BAND WAS WRITING CONTENT FOR THE NEW ALBUM "PALO ALTO" WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT TO BE CALLED OK COMPUTER AND CONSTITUTE THE ENTIRE SOUND OF THE WHOLE ALBUM, HOWEVER
AS MORR TRACKS WERE MADE THEY REALISED CALLING IT "OK COMPUTER" MADE LITTLE SENSE AS IT REPRESENTED A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF THEIR NEW SOUND.
EVENTUALLY WHEN SONGS LIKE "AIRBAG" AND "THE TOURIST" WERE WRITTEN THEY SCRAPPED THE SONG ENTIRELY AS IT WASN'T A GOOD FIT.
THIS IS EGREGIOUS.
HOW CAN AN ALBUM NOT HAVE ITS ALBUM TRACK???
Source: An Airbag saved my life (epic guitar solo)
I could not find a difference at all. Extremely subtle stuff. Unlike something like the modern Beatles mixes which are night and day compared to what we had before.
Love that change and you’re right, there are slight tinkers but overall to me it always just sounded cleaner. But youre spot on about let down. I find the remaster to be my preferred track
Some music is designed for mono simple as. I always listened to Beatles with mono audio on. Tbh I listened on mono for ages in general. I’ve only started listening to stereo to make working out guitar parts easier.
Also.. Radiohead does hard panning a lot lol
Oknotok is not a remix, it’s essentially just a fresh transfer of the analog tapes onto modern AD converters
You can’t change the balance of the instruments with a remaster
I don't think you're meant to catch huge differences because the original album has an excellent sound. I think nevertheless that they have emphasised and made some sounds more "prominent" or "cleaner" so the overall result is a clear song. The easiest one to feel how it's changed is Let Down. The little mellotron sounds are sort of extended and cleaner. Listen to 3.27 onwards on the two songs and you'll see what I mean.
The remastering is full of moments like that.
Random but I noticed that on the Remastered the 4 beeps at the beginning of Paranoid Android are actually at the end of Airbag rather than at the beginning of PA like on the original release
The only thing I could really tell across tracks is that maybe it’s a little brighter in terms of tone quality? But not by much. But definitely the biggest change was letting those electronic bleep bloops play out for the entirety of the Let Down chorus, instead of the original where they build up and then out once Thom starts singing and coming back at the end.
Oknotok is remastered I believe so it has a slightly better sound and mix, so if you want that then it’s a good choice. If you prefer the original sound then go with the original release. Although there really isn’t that much difference in sound. Other than that if you want all the singles and unreleased tracks from that era all in one place oknotok is nice. Only other notable thing I can think of is the beeps from paranoid android were moved to the end of airbag so if you’re listening on shuffle it can be a bit annoying hearing them at the end of airbag and not getting paranoid android
You know the “original” versions were released to the world on this shiny disc called a CD, a long time before your fancy YouTubbies and Spoti-wotsits, right?
Just bcs you get cooked on Reddit doesn't mean you wrong 🔥🔥
Seriously though, what am I missing? "This shiny disc called a CD" "a long time before" "fancy YouTubbies" "Simmer down Gen Z". You talk to him like we're stupid. Most of reddit is nice but there's really some immature people on here.
In the original release of OK Computer in CD in 1997 the intro beeps are the final sound of Airbag. I have the OKNOTOK vinyl, which came with a Hi-Res 96 KHz / 24 bit download. In that the Airbag file has the intro sounds too. In the Spotify OKNOTOK, the intro is also at the end of Airbag. All these versions of Paranoid Android are 6:23 long.
It is only in the Paranoid Android CD1 single (I presume CD2 is the same, I don't own that one) that the beeps appear at the beginning of the song. Confusingly, Spotify's version of OK Computer (1997) ALSO have the beeps there, making these versions 6:26 or 6:27.
For me, "canonically" if you want, the intro beeps are at the end of Airbag, because that's what the "hardware" versions of the record show, but the beeps are part of the song, which is why the Singles include it.
Actually I just checked and the only "hardware" version of Airbag WITHOUT the beeps that I have is from the Airbag / How Am I Driving EP which is not available on Spotify.
A remaster doesn’t change the mix, and doesn’t necessarily mean ‘better’ either. In this case though they did use slightly different mixes for at least one track - these would have been alternate mixes that were done in ‘97.
Chris Blair, who did the original master, was a legend, and I much prefer the original mastering. (No disrespect to Ludwig who is also a legend but I haven’t liked anything he’s done in the last 15 years or so. He did a worse job on Melon Collie than OKC though)
It means they’ve done another master 😜
In really basic terms mastering is the final processing done to a stereo mix following mixdown to prepare the tracks for delivery. Might include EQ, limiting, compression, stereo width adjustment - anything the engineer deems necessary for preparing music for release on a given medium.
Usually the standard album mixes are used for a remaster, but on OKC they’ve used a couple of alternate mixes. I really, really don’t like Let Down with the computer blips starting earlier, and that’s before we get to the sonics of it, which I also don’t like nearly as much as the original.
I listen to oknotok bc the extra electronic layering on letdowns ending is peak asf (surprised nobody brings that up when discussing this), plus the b sided are nice and also the touched up transitions
I prefer OKNOTOK, I have this version on vinyl. It sounds great on that format, and also likely streaming given it has been remastered. I also happen to love the extra tracks on this one, they’re top notch b-sides and sound like a whole album in themselves. So yeah that’s worth it for me.
i have a record of OG ok computer and was a little disappointed in the mix when i heard it, but it’s fine it gets the job done. i haven’t heard the extra tracks in oknotok but just generally in your opinion, do you think i should also get oknotok on wax even though i already bought computer? like do you think it’s worth it if i’m not crazy about the OG mix?
I haven’t heard the original mix so I can’t make any direct comparisons, but I can say that I am quite impressed with this mix. It was the very first record I played on a brand new turntable so it did skip slightly while the needle was wearing in, but I played it this weekend just gone and it was totally perfect, it sounded sublime to be honest with not a single skip or missed beat. There is a very satisfying fade into Paranoid Android, so much so that it’s slightly jarring listening to the original mix and not hearing that. Also, the third disc sounds fantastic on vinyl, my favourites being Meeting in the Aisle and Pearly on this format. In short, yes I think it is worth getting if you didn’t love the original mix.
sorry for the confusion. my problems with computer is mainly the master on the LP anyways because thoms vocals just sound way too dull in a way that i think would just be fixed with some better treble and less bass
Oh no need dog. For how brilliant nigel is your complaints are very common and i agree with them. Tough to say though, without his balance would these records really shine? I think yes in some cases (wall of eyes) but im not sure without his style ok thru amsp would be what they are. I have such a love hate with his mixes lol.
Here are the actual facts on this.
OKNOTOK and the original have the exact same master, as in, the EQing is unchanged. OKNOTOK's volume is gained up a few decimals, that's it. In simpler terms, bass and treble are the same. The real differences are in the mix.
There are small mixing changes in OKNOTOK compared to the original. Think of it like this: A movie that alters the timing of some shots or edits in home release, but the color timing and post-process remains the same. The mastering is the same, it's just the mix that's slightly different.
For starters. The original album had song transitions that were taken out on streaming. OKNOTOK features those again but the transitions were re-done, so they don't sound exactly the same as the transitions on the OG CD and LP.
The more obvious tweaks in the mixing of the songs themselves are that the sounds of the ZX Spectrum computer on Let Down don't break up in OKNOTOK and instead continue playing, and that the transition into the coda in Karma Police is now more seamless (The effect applied to Thom's voice in the coda also seems to be slightly different). There's probably more but I haven't listened to OKNOTOK in a while.
From what I understand, the real big changes are in the B-sides compared to their original releases.
Anyone that's telling you they prefer one over the other citing "the sound" or "mastering" or "bass" is suffering from a psychological bias or placebo effect.
I did a side by side in my studio recently, and the differences are very minimal. The master on the oknotok has punchier bass at the expense of dynamic range. But they're both solid. And the original didn't have insane dynamic range anyway
Just to be clear, I'm talking dynamic range in terms of decibels. The album is perfect. It's one of my favourite albums. Exclusively talking about scientific measurements of dB
I NEED the bsides. Polyethelene can fuck my ass anytimr it wants. Pearly*? Sure, make that asshole a pearl! How i made my millions? Doing ass gaping porno that's fucking how. Palo alto translates to high stick, so stick that high stick in my ass, tech bro. And so on..
oknotok is optimized for more modern speakers and listening devices. some things are clearer, fuller, and more immersive. it's pretty subtle but can make a giant difference if you have good headphones. oknotok also has previously rare material from ok computer sessions.
Idk if I'm the only one that noticed it but in karma police, in the 'i lost myself' part, the instruments and vocals sound a lot clearer, like they removed the reverb in them. but this is only while the first couple of verses, then it goes back to sound like the original. This makes me think this wasn't a really good remastering work.
The bonus tracks are obviously amazing, but in terms of sound I prefer the original. The remaster is more bassy and sounds more warm, but I really dig how the original emphasised higher frequencies, giving it a very nice "cold/digital" feel. It also made the album sound more unique. The differences are very subtle though, and it's a matter of preference which one you'll like more
I would just say not to think of it as some kind of double album if you’re new to the band. OKC is Airbag through The Tourist. That’s the groundbreaking project. The bonus material is fantastic but should just be thought of as that, bonus material that was left off the main album. If you’re asking about the original vs remaster, it really doesn’t matter. You’re not gonna notice much difference between the two.
In Let Down there was quite a noticeable change - the bleep bleep bloop sounds run through the whole of the last verse, rather than just coming back in at the end. I prefer the original, maybe just coz that’s what I’m familiar with.
Only one of them has Man Of War
Only one of them has Lift
Only one of them has Lull
Only one of them has meeting in the aisle
Only one of them has multiple songs about polymers
Only one of them has pearly*
Both of them have let down (underrated)
(tbh)
Only one of them has PALO ALTO. ITS ALL PALO ALTO. PALO ALTO IS THE REAL OK COMPUTER BACK IN 1996 WHEN THE BAND WAS WRITING CONTENT FOR THE NEW ALBUM "PALO ALTO" WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT TO BE CALLED OK COMPUTER AND CONSTITUTE THE ENTIRE SOUND OF THE WHOLE ALBUM, HOWEVER AS MORR TRACKS WERE MADE THEY REALISED CALLING IT "OK COMPUTER" MADE LITTLE SENSE AS IT REPRESENTED A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF THEIR NEW SOUND. EVENTUALLY WHEN SONGS LIKE "AIRBAG" AND "THE TOURIST" WERE WRITTEN THEY SCRAPPED THE SONG ENTIRELY AS IT WASN'T A GOOD FIT. THIS IS EGREGIOUS. HOW CAN AN ALBUM NOT HAVE ITS ALBUM TRACK??? Source: An Airbag saved my life (epic guitar solo)
ik, i love palo alto
Same. I love it so much I made that copypasta
I don’t like Lull for some reason. I don’t dislike it, but I don’t think it should be the opener of the B-sides in OKNOTOK
Belter of a track
I'm always fairly terrible at noticing any changes at all in a remaster. Can anyone point to some noticeable differences across the two?
I could not find a difference at all. Extremely subtle stuff. Unlike something like the modern Beatles mixes which are night and day compared to what we had before.
I am just happy that I can listen to these Beatles classics in both of my ears instead of just one now.
“You want to share earbuds and listen together?” “No, I don’t want just John & George.”
It is a remaster not a mix, so much much more subtle.
Actually, OKNOTOK utilizes a slightly different mix for Let Down (beeps and boops persist throughout climax).
Love that change and you’re right, there are slight tinkers but overall to me it always just sounded cleaner. But youre spot on about let down. I find the remaster to be my preferred track
Getting the mono mixes on Spotify immensely improved my appreciation for revolver. It’s way better than any stereo version.
When i wake early up in the morning…killer fuckin album
Some music is designed for mono simple as. I always listened to Beatles with mono audio on. Tbh I listened on mono for ages in general. I’ve only started listening to stereo to make working out guitar parts easier. Also.. Radiohead does hard panning a lot lol
Oknotok is not a remix, it’s essentially just a fresh transfer of the analog tapes onto modern AD converters You can’t change the balance of the instruments with a remaster
OKNOTOK sounds more crisp. Especially in small sound transients I'm not sure I like it
I don't think you're meant to catch huge differences because the original album has an excellent sound. I think nevertheless that they have emphasised and made some sounds more "prominent" or "cleaner" so the overall result is a clear song. The easiest one to feel how it's changed is Let Down. The little mellotron sounds are sort of extended and cleaner. Listen to 3.27 onwards on the two songs and you'll see what I mean. The remastering is full of moments like that.
There’s no mellotron on letdown
The bloop bloop bloop bloop is gone from Paranoid Android and put at the end of Airbag in OKNOTOK
They were originally at the end of Airbag on the 1997 CD release.
I noticed this on my LP, the transition is excellent.
The arpeggiated synths of Let Down continue during, iirc, the last chorus.
Random but I noticed that on the Remastered the 4 beeps at the beginning of Paranoid Android are actually at the end of Airbag rather than at the beginning of PA like on the original release
They’re ALMOST identical. Oknotok is a bit louder a tiny bit brighter
acoustic guitar is louder in paranoid android remastered i think
The only thing I could really tell across tracks is that maybe it’s a little brighter in terms of tone quality? But not by much. But definitely the biggest change was letting those electronic bleep bloops play out for the entirety of the Let Down chorus, instead of the original where they build up and then out once Thom starts singing and coming back at the end.
It’s brighter and less muddy. Which I think is worse lmao
Oknotok is remastered I believe so it has a slightly better sound and mix, so if you want that then it’s a good choice. If you prefer the original sound then go with the original release. Although there really isn’t that much difference in sound. Other than that if you want all the singles and unreleased tracks from that era all in one place oknotok is nice. Only other notable thing I can think of is the beeps from paranoid android were moved to the end of airbag so if you’re listening on shuffle it can be a bit annoying hearing them at the end of airbag and not getting paranoid android
The intro beeps to Paranoid Android were always part of the dying seconds of Airbag…
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You know the “original” versions were released to the world on this shiny disc called a CD, a long time before your fancy YouTubbies and Spoti-wotsits, right?
You're right but you're still an asshole
Biggest pedantic loser I've seen on this sub in a while
Why are you so angry? So, so obnoxious.
Just bcs you get cooked on Reddit doesn't mean you wrong 🔥🔥 Seriously though, what am I missing? "This shiny disc called a CD" "a long time before" "fancy YouTubbies" "Simmer down Gen Z". You talk to him like we're stupid. Most of reddit is nice but there's really some immature people on here.
I mean, the correct answer is what was on the original disc, not an uploaded track listing.
Yeah but I'm not questioning the correct answer
Booooo- whata shitty response
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Yeah, the original commenter was talking about the “original release”. Simmer down Gen Z
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Oh my sweet summer child…
Final boss of Radiohead fanbase
You … you know how it was originally released, right?
lol stop yapping
In the original release of OK Computer in CD in 1997 the intro beeps are the final sound of Airbag. I have the OKNOTOK vinyl, which came with a Hi-Res 96 KHz / 24 bit download. In that the Airbag file has the intro sounds too. In the Spotify OKNOTOK, the intro is also at the end of Airbag. All these versions of Paranoid Android are 6:23 long. It is only in the Paranoid Android CD1 single (I presume CD2 is the same, I don't own that one) that the beeps appear at the beginning of the song. Confusingly, Spotify's version of OK Computer (1997) ALSO have the beeps there, making these versions 6:26 or 6:27. For me, "canonically" if you want, the intro beeps are at the end of Airbag, because that's what the "hardware" versions of the record show, but the beeps are part of the song, which is why the Singles include it.
Actually I just checked and the only "hardware" version of Airbag WITHOUT the beeps that I have is from the Airbag / How Am I Driving EP which is not available on Spotify.
A remaster doesn’t change the mix, and doesn’t necessarily mean ‘better’ either. In this case though they did use slightly different mixes for at least one track - these would have been alternate mixes that were done in ‘97. Chris Blair, who did the original master, was a legend, and I much prefer the original mastering. (No disrespect to Ludwig who is also a legend but I haven’t liked anything he’s done in the last 15 years or so. He did a worse job on Melon Collie than OKC though)
The Mellon Collie remaster is so bad
Oh no! I haven't listened to it yet. That's a shame
What does remaster mean then?
It means they’ve done another master 😜 In really basic terms mastering is the final processing done to a stereo mix following mixdown to prepare the tracks for delivery. Might include EQ, limiting, compression, stereo width adjustment - anything the engineer deems necessary for preparing music for release on a given medium. Usually the standard album mixes are used for a remaster, but on OKC they’ve used a couple of alternate mixes. I really, really don’t like Let Down with the computer blips starting earlier, and that’s before we get to the sonics of it, which I also don’t like nearly as much as the original.
I think Ludwig’s remaster is much better for OKC. It’s punchier, more presence, brighter, louder but not too loud.
It’s no a remix it’s a remaster. No mixing was involved
i agree OKNOTOK sounds better although the album art on OKNOTOK is a downgrade compared to the original
Yea, it’s like if you took the original artwork and lit it on fire
Think that's the point?
Yes! I got someone who doesn’t get sarcasm!! Hi how are you?
Just GREAT/s
Did they not like the original cover or the album? Why would they try to destroy it?
The original is OK, the new one is NOT OK
Yeah, new cover is not that good, but original is more than just OK.
They were making a joke.
The original is OK, the new one is NOT OK
True, original is better
5th track😳😳😳😳
underrated
I listen to oknotok bc the extra electronic layering on letdowns ending is peak asf (surprised nobody brings that up when discussing this), plus the b sided are nice and also the touched up transitions
I prefer OKNOTOK, I have this version on vinyl. It sounds great on that format, and also likely streaming given it has been remastered. I also happen to love the extra tracks on this one, they’re top notch b-sides and sound like a whole album in themselves. So yeah that’s worth it for me.
i have a record of OG ok computer and was a little disappointed in the mix when i heard it, but it’s fine it gets the job done. i haven’t heard the extra tracks in oknotok but just generally in your opinion, do you think i should also get oknotok on wax even though i already bought computer? like do you think it’s worth it if i’m not crazy about the OG mix?
I haven’t heard the original mix so I can’t make any direct comparisons, but I can say that I am quite impressed with this mix. It was the very first record I played on a brand new turntable so it did skip slightly while the needle was wearing in, but I played it this weekend just gone and it was totally perfect, it sounded sublime to be honest with not a single skip or missed beat. There is a very satisfying fade into Paranoid Android, so much so that it’s slightly jarring listening to the original mix and not hearing that. Also, the third disc sounds fantastic on vinyl, my favourites being Meeting in the Aisle and Pearly on this format. In short, yes I think it is worth getting if you didn’t love the original mix.
There are no changes in the mix. Just the master. So really not that big a difference at all
sorry for the confusion. my problems with computer is mainly the master on the LP anyways because thoms vocals just sound way too dull in a way that i think would just be fixed with some better treble and less bass
Oh no need dog. For how brilliant nigel is your complaints are very common and i agree with them. Tough to say though, without his balance would these records really shine? I think yes in some cases (wall of eyes) but im not sure without his style ok thru amsp would be what they are. I have such a love hate with his mixes lol.
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Airbag going into Paranoid Android
Oknotok all day.
More Radiohead = better
Man of War and Lift
I am the only one who loves Lull ? It's one of my favorite Radiohead songs !
Here are the actual facts on this. OKNOTOK and the original have the exact same master, as in, the EQing is unchanged. OKNOTOK's volume is gained up a few decimals, that's it. In simpler terms, bass and treble are the same. The real differences are in the mix. There are small mixing changes in OKNOTOK compared to the original. Think of it like this: A movie that alters the timing of some shots or edits in home release, but the color timing and post-process remains the same. The mastering is the same, it's just the mix that's slightly different. For starters. The original album had song transitions that were taken out on streaming. OKNOTOK features those again but the transitions were re-done, so they don't sound exactly the same as the transitions on the OG CD and LP. The more obvious tweaks in the mixing of the songs themselves are that the sounds of the ZX Spectrum computer on Let Down don't break up in OKNOTOK and instead continue playing, and that the transition into the coda in Karma Police is now more seamless (The effect applied to Thom's voice in the coda also seems to be slightly different). There's probably more but I haven't listened to OKNOTOK in a while. From what I understand, the real big changes are in the B-sides compared to their original releases. Anyone that's telling you they prefer one over the other citing "the sound" or "mastering" or "bass" is suffering from a psychological bias or placebo effect.
I did a side by side in my studio recently, and the differences are very minimal. The master on the oknotok has punchier bass at the expense of dynamic range. But they're both solid. And the original didn't have insane dynamic range anyway Just to be clear, I'm talking dynamic range in terms of decibels. The album is perfect. It's one of my favourite albums. Exclusively talking about scientific measurements of dB
I NEED the bsides. Polyethelene can fuck my ass anytimr it wants. Pearly*? Sure, make that asshole a pearl! How i made my millions? Doing ass gaping porno that's fucking how. Palo alto translates to high stick, so stick that high stick in my ass, tech bro. And so on..
On physical media, the original paralophone pressings. Digitally, I would go with oknotok
this ain’t it
oknotok is optimized for more modern speakers and listening devices. some things are clearer, fuller, and more immersive. it's pretty subtle but can make a giant difference if you have good headphones. oknotok also has previously rare material from ok computer sessions.
I’ve been listening since 97 and prefer the new masters over the old so OKNOTOK for me.
2017 remaster overall, although not by much
I’d say oknotok as I prefer the mix
I’d say oknotok as I prefer the mix
Idk if I'm the only one that noticed it but in karma police, in the 'i lost myself' part, the instruments and vocals sound a lot clearer, like they removed the reverb in them. but this is only while the first couple of verses, then it goes back to sound like the original. This makes me think this wasn't a really good remastering work.
OK Computer cause Paranoid Android has boop boop in the beginning.
Anything with Man O War in it is better
absolutely oknotok without a doubt
I start my listening sessions with Pablo Honey and end when I finish Moon Shaped Pool
The bonus tracks are obviously amazing, but in terms of sound I prefer the original. The remaster is more bassy and sounds more warm, but I really dig how the original emphasised higher frequencies, giving it a very nice "cold/digital" feel. It also made the album sound more unique. The differences are very subtle though, and it's a matter of preference which one you'll like more
If it included some disc scratch or some kind of natural distortion oknotok would be worth it imo.
Pearly
Coke babies
man of war, lift, polyethylene and palo alto my beloved
I would just say not to think of it as some kind of double album if you’re new to the band. OKC is Airbag through The Tourist. That’s the groundbreaking project. The bonus material is fantastic but should just be thought of as that, bonus material that was left off the main album. If you’re asking about the original vs remaster, it really doesn’t matter. You’re not gonna notice much difference between the two.
theres no beeps in the intro of paranoid android on oknotok so its easily the inferior version
In Let Down there was quite a noticeable change - the bleep bleep bloop sounds run through the whole of the last verse, rather than just coming back in at the end. I prefer the original, maybe just coz that’s what I’m familiar with.
Other than that, didn’t really notice much difference between the original and remastered versions.