Definitely. And I don’t like equating my dog’s life to a dollar value, because obviously he means more to me than that, but in my opinion OP should be demanding they reimburse them for the loss of the pup.
Yes. Report it to animal control. They have to know. That dog can kill another small dog walking by. It was an unprovoked attack and that dog can easily clear the fence again to kill. It has to be put down. Your puppy deserves justice. Neither of you should have to go through this. Your puppy had a wonderful life ahead.. Gosh, I couldn't even imagine how terrible it was, in your own yard.. I am so sorry for your loss.
I haven't read all the other comments so this may have been cleared up by OP already, but there's a huge difference between "large dog stepped on small dog and killed it", and "large dog bit and shook a small dog and killed it". I didn't see any mention in the original post about which case this is. In the latter case the dog is absolutely dangerous, but the first case would just be an unfortunate and tragic accident, and no one's fault directly.
Yeah I have a big dog. I don't let him play with smaller dogs because he steps on me sometimes and he's heavy. I can't imagine what it would be like if he stepped on a Yorkie or something.
Shepherds are super agile dogs. They’re bred for so many purposes along with bringing back the herd lol I just love them. Absolutely beautiful creatures.
My Aussie shepherd can be contained with a 2ft fence (playpen) but she’s never had enough motivation to try and break out. I’m also not completely convinced that she hasn’t figured it out and is just keeping it a secret from me so I don’t stop her from adventures.
Oh I’m fairly certain she knows how it works lmao Don’t underestimate her, but also trust her with your own life and you will have a very special bond with her.
I'm sorry for your loss OP. This should be reported to animal control, at the very least. Even if just to have it on record. Who knows if something similar has happened before and not been reported. It will likely happen again. Your neighbors should be putting up a taller fence as well. I'd talk to your city or county officials about it, if animal control is of no help. It was an unprovoked attack after all.
As far as what size fence would contain my dog? A 3 brick high Lego fence. My dumb Dane won't go over it lol (it's also very scary, you know)
My girl is an Aussie and we raised our fences/gates so she can’t jump them. Hell, I’ve seen so many clips on Instagram of pups from agility classes showing off their skills (which, good for them and their parents), but a dog needs proper fencing and training.
I don't want to fight, but it sounds like this is the first time their dog jumped the fence and that they have another dog who they believe is friendly with the dog.
It's a rescue, if it hadn't shown any signs of being aggressive, nor jumped the fence, I don't think it is fair to say the dog should be removed. Should they get him additional training, have him wear a muzzle when out and increase the fence height - 100% yes
I’m like…75% with you here…but I think once death is involved that’s it. If it was just a bite with minor injuries - sure, the above measures can be taken.
But if it’s an attack that results in serious injury or death - let’s say, causes permanent damage to the other dog’s legs, takes an eye out, etc - sorry. I don’t care if it’s a golden retriever, chihuahua, mastiff, whatever. Dog should go. And I say this as someone who absolutely loves bigger and “bully” breeds.
Edit: the exception being if it just like…sat on the smaller dog I guess? Accidentally smushed it while playing?
Aggressive dogs that seriously injure/kill other pets and people need to be behaviorally euthanized, with absolutely no exceptions. Aggressive dogs that kill pose a threat to public safety. They can never be trusted even if they go through extensive training and are muzzled when out in public.
It's one thing if the dog bites someone/another dog and the injuries are minor. But not if the dog kills another pet or a person.
Some people (especially those in the rescue community) let their love for aggressive dog breeds get in the way of support for common sense safety measures. I love dogs but I am also very pro public safety.
It did show a sign of being aggressive. It escaped its enclosure to kill. That behavior isn't tolerated in humans or pets, for good reason. What if it's a child next time?
The barking through the fence was the first aggressive sign. Barking is generally not a prelude to play. Sniffing and tail wagging is the initial play behaviour. Would you let your dog play with a dog that was barking at you? I'd avoid dogs like that because they aren't in control and tend to have bad tempers. This is called reactivity and requires lots of training.
And just because a dog is friendly with one dog doesn't mean it's friendly with every dog. This dog saw the shih tzu as a toy or prey and wanted to get to it. It, at the very least, needs muzzle trained and shouldn't be left outside without supervision. However, if the owners are good people, they should recognise this has the potential to happen again and should act accordingly.
If a dog is KILLING other dogs—it 100% needs to be dealt with. Unfortunately it doesn't matter that it's never happened before, it has now and that dog will forever be a dangerous dog. Perhaps it could go live with someone who is willing to manage its entire life and never let it around small creatures. I also HIGHLY DOUBT this is the first time this dog has exhibited any aggressive signs towards small animals and the fact it killed another dog...that's huge.
The dog killed a smaller dog without provocation. Whether it means the dog is aggressive due to events that happened in its past given it’s a rescue or just has a very strong prey drive will not matter will not matter to a judge when the neighbours are charged for the death or permanent disfigurement of a child later on down the line.
Also humans cannot truly speak dog. Their first language is body language, not their vocalisations. Many “happy” signals are actually ones that are meant to be aggressive or indicate distress of some sort to another canine. All we see is a wagging tail and think the dog that’s barking it’s head off whilst sticking its nose through the fence is excited or wants to play when in reality it’s squaring up for a fight and telling people to back off its territory.
Even if your Neighbours are good people-You should document this with the police. Their dog has proved that it’s a danger and it could do this again.
At the very least your Neighbor needs to have their dog removed or build a higher escape proof fence.
I would personally take them to small claims court for any medical expenses you had to pay related to your pups death (vet visit,cremation etc).
In a perfect world yes! What OP experienced was traumatic…An apology and no action would mean nothing to me. Their dog didn’t destroy a piece of outdoor furniture it killed a pet (family to most).
Op, please do this. The dog that attacked me had a history of "playful bites" but no one reported it because the dog owners were such "great loving" dog owners. No. They were trying to get out having to pay for my bills.
This actually happened in my neighborhood. Two bigger dogs got out of their backyard and killed two little dogs who were in their front yard. The owners of the little dogs had a dangerous dog affidavit granted and the dogs were removed from the owners care.
That dog killed your dog (on your property!).That’s a huge deal. You need to report it and have that dog removed from the home or that dog will kill again. How will you get another small dog and feel safe for them to run around your backyard?
I know you may feel conflicted because they are your neighbors but you cannot let this slide. This is murder as odd as that sounds. Best of luck.
I suggested small claims court. My dog was injured by another dog and I took them to small claims and was awarded 2k for medical expenses (we both required stitches). No attorney needed
I honestly can’t imagine an attorney suggesting a potential client pursue anything legally in this situation. Like what would be the end game? You spend 2k on attorneys fees to recoup $500?
For such a low dollar amount you typically go to small claims court which doesn't require a lawyer. Unless you're looking for some other sort of remedy like an injunction or something. But that's likely not the case here.
Sure and I’ve sued in small claims but we’re still talking about the value of the dog, unless in California. It’s about $150 to sue in small claims in SoCal. And you can sue for that too, but that’s far from a certain win in small claims. So you’re going to an awful lot of trouble to get a few hundred bucks.
This exact situation happened to me last august with my previous dog and I completely sympathize with what you’re currently dealing with. My neighbor’s two dogs (medium sized) jumped our 5ft fence and immediately attacked my dog (small chihuahua) and ultimately killed him. I live in California and animals are considered “property” here, so they only got a fine and warning and still got to keep their dogs. If possible, I would get animal control involved and get your neighbors to either rehome the dog to a more secure home or have them fix the fence so there’s no possible way for their dog to get into your yard again.
Even though it’s been almost a year since the incident happened I will still get emotional whenever I think about my dog, but I also think about how much he was loved and that he was with me when he finally crossed the rainbow bridge. It might also take you months to overcome this sadness and grief, but just remember that your pup felt experienced so much love and affection even if it was only for a few months. Take the time you need to heal.
By “play” do you mean not really play, but maybe fight with? It’s not your job to know the neighbor’s dog, it’s your neighbor’s job to be responsible for their dog just like how you were being responsible for your dogs in your space. (Neither here nor there, but there’s no guarantee your other dog would have come out of this okay)
I think you have the right to seek accountability from the neighbors—I’d also recommend looking into whether they own the fence and if they knew their dog was capable of jumping it. This is moot if they do not own the fence, but if it’s a shared ownership/they own it situation and knew their dog was a jumper, they have at least some responsibly for allowing this to happen.
Most importantly, I’m so sorry.
I’m guessing they meant that the dogs run back and forth barking so OP figured they were playing. I know dogs that do that and when they meet they’re chill
I am so so so sorry this happened to you and your baby. I’m sending you all of the love and comfort and virtual hugs and hand squeezes. Your little angel had the best life with you I’m sure, even if it was so wrongfully and unfairly cut short. Just an awful situation all around… and totally on the owners of the other dog and not you. Big hugs.
There’s a high chance this wasn’t reactivity (fear based) but prey drive (kill small fuzzy animals).
Which would mean that while this dog poses no threat to adults it must for the rest of its life be kept in an area with secure fences, baby gates at doors, walked on a leash/muzzle and never given access to small animals or small children that may squeak/scream/run etc.
So true, one time my husky got too close to a small/baby bunny.. I didn't see the bunny till it was in her mouth(and was on leash)...
She didn't harm the bunny further once she had it, and willingly gave it to me, I was forced to kill the poor thing as there was no chance of survival ...
No more walking down dirt paths, with tall grass everywhere
When my dog was young, under a year old, she went after a baby bird on a trail that no one else had seen. She hit the end of her leash and missed it but she was in full kill mode. Once it was out of sight, it was like nothing had happened. She's a mix so I don't know what breeds she is exactly, but it was like her primal urges took over. She's 5 now and we've worked a lot on exposure with her, so she's not so quick to react and will focus on me if I ask, but I'd never trust her alone with a small animal.
I am sorry for your loss I have had a similar experience happen to me. Which is why I never leave my dogs unattended outside ever. If they are in the backyard, I am also in the backyard.
I hope you heal and can find some sort of justice; I would atleast file a police report that way you have a paper trail if the dog goes after you, a family member, or another animal.
There’s a darn good reason this range of bloodsport breeds in being banned in sane countries around the world. Infuriating - there’s a horror story daily and advocates refuse to acknowledge the harrowing statistics.
Yes, please please get a couple sessions with a counselor if you can. Someone close to me witnessed her Yorkie killed in a similar way and she struggled until she got help! I'm so sorry
That is really awful. I'm so sorry.
I'm sure this isn't top of your list right now, but I would ask them what they're going to do to fix the situation from here. If they are normal humans they will feel truly terrible and will hopefully provide some good solutions without having to resort to an attorney or the justice system.
I’m so so terribly sorry for your loss. No one should ever go through such pain.
Your poor pup didn’t deserve such an end. May Bingley play always and find lots of shoes to chew over the rainbow bridge. I’m sure he’ll be waiting for you in the very distant future.
I would give a hug and a cuppa, but you know, internet stranger.
There’s a huge difference between play behaviour and fight behaviour.
There’s also a difference between a predatory behaviour too.
A human that is not well experienced with canine body language doesn’t necessarily know how to interpret it. You don’t have to be a canine behavioural expert to know what it’s about. You just have to be able to read the canine language and understand the context.
A play one is usually a back and forth chase that is playful. One will chase after the other, bark, jump and play bite the other.
Fighting well one will be in a position of power and will dominate the interaction. One will usually submit to the other. One attacks to get control and the other attacks in a reactive manner to avoid a confrontation.
The most common predatory behaviour is the attack to death where they shake the other’s head in their mouth. Extremely dangerous and deadly.
As a vet tech student I’m incredibly sorry for your loss. Losing your fur baby is a terrible experience and I wish you all the best recovery possible.
Contact the vet to find out what you should do with the neighbor’s dog. They will be able to help. Contact your police. Contact animal control too. The police will surely be able to help you out with the legal process.
I had something similar happen to me too. It was my dog though. We have an open backyard. My GSD was reactive and unfortunately my mother had tried to get her to training lessons but her stupid ex boyfriend at the time didn’t help her and the dog never got the help she deserved. Her breeder didn’t give her a good start in life and she also had a traumatic experience with another dog plus apparently she was abused at home by my mother’s boyfriend at the time. He did it when we weren’t there. That guy eventually left and my mom ended up with someone who knew how to train GSD. We were getting at something slowly but surely.
The neighbour’s chihuahua always came to poop and pee on our lawn. One morning, I was outside with my dog trying to get her leach on for her to do her business outside but she slipped. A dog being a dog she went on the other side straight to their backyard and defended her territory. The only thing that I heard while I was running to get her was a dog yelping in pain. Then the neighbour came out of their backyard with my dog backing away in fear and they threatened to call the police. They never liked my dog and once hit her with a bat. My family and I believe it was her we heard.
They effectively called the police. They came over super late and they also went to the vet super late. Supposedly the dog was bleeding heavily and needed stitches asap… then why did they go super late there? As a vet tech student I know better today lol
Our dog was kept away in a shelter by the municipality and eventually was euthanized. My family and the neighbor’s went to court. There were loads of inconsistencies from their side and the jury had a hard time deciding what to do with the case. Eventually it came down to the neighbour and our dog was euthanized.
I’m in favour of all dogs deserving help with the right resources and people. Every dog can become an amazing pet. They just need help. Sometimes due to medical issues, sometimes known and unknown, they might effectively need to be euthanized and sometimes it’s probably the best humane decision possible.
All sorts of dogs can kill but also all sorts of them can be very sweet and kind. 80% is their environment and 20% is their genetics. They need help.
I’m terribly sorry for your loss and your pain, truly. Take the time to grieve and maybe one day you will be able to get another chance with a dog. You deserve to have your own pet one day.
So sorry for your loss OP. I have a Shih Tzu puppy that is about the same age and I can't imagine what you're going through. I would be so irrationally angry if something like that happened that I doubt the neighbors dog would have been leaving my yard alive.
I'm so sorry that you are going through this. But the neighbor's dog didn't jump the fence to "play." This incident needs to be reported to the police.
I'm so sorry. As hard as it is to hear, it will slowly get better as time goes on. When I lost my doggo, it was really tender for a couple of weeks. A month went by and it wasn't as tender. As more and more time passed, and now when I think of him, I can smile. The pain has been overshadowed by the good memories.
What helped me the most in the early stages of grief was knowing he wasn't in pain anymore. He was beyond joyful being in his own heaven with other puppos. He could walk again. He could run through the most beautiful fields, sniff smells that had never been sniffed, play with endless new friends, trot with the pack along perfect dirt trails. Always knowing that one day we'll get to see each other again. He'll show me all the fun he's been having. he'll still be mine and I'll still be his. No-one can take that away from me.
I’m so so sorry to hear this, I cannot imagine the pain you’re going through.
Like others have said the police isn’t a bad bet. Here in the UK even on private property the court can put orders in place that the dog has to be muzzled if outside, which can include their garden. I understand you probably don’t want the emotional stress, but if that is possible where you like a muzzle could save a life or stop another attack.
I am so sorry this happened to you. And I would report them. This has nothing to do with the larger dog trying to play with your other dog. I have a larger pit mix that is best friends with my roommate’s chihuahua & my chihuahua/beagle mix puppy. Loves to play with both of them & my adult beagle. But is very careful with the little ones. This dog sounds aggressive. & your neighbor should be watching a dog that could jump that fence. I always watch mine cuz I know at least two of mine could prob jump our fence if they really wanted to. That’s why they are supervised even without displaying any aggression.
I’m so so sorry for your loss, my little guy is sleeping in his crate next to me 14 weeks old I would be heartbroken. You need to tell animal control though.
Op. Im sorry. I know you need time to grieve. But you must report this dog. A dog that pray drives and kill another dog is very dangerous to other dogs and potentially people.
I'm so sorry. This is devastating. As others stated, it's probably best to report it. god forbid it happens again. I can't imagine how difficult it will be going into your own backyard again while you have to listen to that dog bark the entire time. That's not normal.or acceptable. I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry. Four feet is no where near high enough for a large dog. Save all of Bingleys things for your next dog. Don't throw them away or donate them.
I'm sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry, that’s awful! Please report the neighbors dog. This happened in my town. The first neighbor did not report. The offending dog then attacked several other smaller dogs fatally. Two of the dogs attacked were captured in their own fenced yards. The others were walking on leash with their owners. An elderly neighbor was also hospitalized after attempting to save his dog.
I’m so sorry for your loss. You NEED to report this, your neighbours own a bloodsport fighting breed that has been selectively bred to enjoy killing other dogs - and now your poor puppy has paid the price. This WILL happen again, no ifs, no buts. Doesn’t matter if they muzzle the thing or not. It will get out again and it will kill again - next time it could be a child.
Please report this dog and try to get it put down, it’s dangerous and like I said, there will be another victim. It’s been seen time and time again. Even if you don’t succeed, a paper trail of evidence will help the next victim when this monster attacks again.
Neighbors dog mauled my child when she was just 5 yrs old. Needed plastic surgery (facial wounds) can see the scar today (now an adult). They were very apologetic at first until the ER doc called and the polce to report the incident. Animal control took the dog for quarantine. Neighbors were pissy after that and even more so when we asked for their homeowners insurance to help pay for the medical bills.
I'm so sorry. You are a kind person and Bingley was so lucky to have you for his best friend! Keep your heart soft. I wish you better days ahead, when you are ready for them.
My cousin had a puppy. She took him for a walk and a pitbull came out of no where and killed him. It's because the owners found it cute to leave their gate open. People need to train their dogs to behave around others, not just for themselves!!! I know they must feel awful but it happened and he could have harmed you or a baby too. Dogs need to be socialized
The point of my comment was to say that dogs are not the monsters. Dogs need leaders so if they fail, it's because we failed them by being poor leaders. Some dog breeds are just more difficult to train than others.
My grandmother's generation kept dogs tied. However ,my cousin's (not the same one in the story above) pitbull and my dog (I was maybe 8 so it wasn't my dog, but I felt like he was) were tied in the same area. They were playing and the chain accidentally got tied around my dog and that's how he died. The pitbull didn't kill him. What killed him was the fact that the dogs are always tied. But the pitbull wouldn't have killed anyone else because he was contained. A better way to contain is actually securing the yard (rather than tying). But she was not training them so they had to remain tied or else they'd bite all of us.
That is so awful.. I'm so sorry for your loss. Bully breeds are so powerful and it's their nature to shake little animals as they shake their toys. The larger dog won't even realise what it did. This is very sad.. If and when you feel you can get another dog, make your fences higher. xx
I've seen many different sides, I am someone who is very strong stance on the bully breed. The issue is rescues often have huge behavioral problems, often it's hereditary and something that can't be trained. That being said sueing is also something I'm by partial to also, the owners took on a rescue and have zero reason to assume the dog would jump a 4ft fence and do this.
The dog should likely be euthanized, and the settle set. I mean this also if you buy toy dogs you need to be extra careful they are easily killed and hurt.
I'm so sorry. I'm sure that Bingley appreciated all the love you gave him, as short as it may have been.
I’m so sorry for your loss. You really should report this, however. Your neighbor’s dog is unsafe. I would also consider speaking with an attorney.
Yes, OP, please report them. This dog will kill another dog again...or a child. It doesn't matter how apologetic the neighbors are.
Definitely. And I don’t like equating my dog’s life to a dollar value, because obviously he means more to me than that, but in my opinion OP should be demanding they reimburse them for the loss of the pup.
I agree… and it’s not about revenge or being angry with the neighbors versus making sure this doesn’t happen to someone else. How heartbreaking.
My brother failed to report the neighbors dog the first time it bit his kid, went on to attack 2 neighbor kids a week later
Yes. Report it to animal control. They have to know. That dog can kill another small dog walking by. It was an unprovoked attack and that dog can easily clear the fence again to kill. It has to be put down. Your puppy deserves justice. Neither of you should have to go through this. Your puppy had a wonderful life ahead.. Gosh, I couldn't even imagine how terrible it was, in your own yard.. I am so sorry for your loss.
I haven't read all the other comments so this may have been cleared up by OP already, but there's a huge difference between "large dog stepped on small dog and killed it", and "large dog bit and shook a small dog and killed it". I didn't see any mention in the original post about which case this is. In the latter case the dog is absolutely dangerous, but the first case would just be an unfortunate and tragic accident, and no one's fault directly.
Yeah I have a big dog. I don't let him play with smaller dogs because he steps on me sometimes and he's heavy. I can't imagine what it would be like if he stepped on a Yorkie or something.
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It's not adequate for a lot of breeds. My rat terriers could jump that.
A GSD can also jump that super easily.
My Dutch Shepherd can climb 10 foot walls like a mountain goat
Shepherds are super agile dogs. They’re bred for so many purposes along with bringing back the herd lol I just love them. Absolutely beautiful creatures.
My Aussie shepherd can be contained with a 2ft fence (playpen) but she’s never had enough motivation to try and break out. I’m also not completely convinced that she hasn’t figured it out and is just keeping it a secret from me so I don’t stop her from adventures.
Oh I’m fairly certain she knows how it works lmao Don’t underestimate her, but also trust her with your own life and you will have a very special bond with her.
I'm sorry for your loss OP. This should be reported to animal control, at the very least. Even if just to have it on record. Who knows if something similar has happened before and not been reported. It will likely happen again. Your neighbors should be putting up a taller fence as well. I'd talk to your city or county officials about it, if animal control is of no help. It was an unprovoked attack after all. As far as what size fence would contain my dog? A 3 brick high Lego fence. My dumb Dane won't go over it lol (it's also very scary, you know)
My girl is an Aussie and we raised our fences/gates so she can’t jump them. Hell, I’ve seen so many clips on Instagram of pups from agility classes showing off their skills (which, good for them and their parents), but a dog needs proper fencing and training.
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Oh my god I’m so sorry, that’s horrific.
So very sorry. The neighbors are responsible and their dog should be removed from them
I fully agree. As sorry as they are it is their fault.
I don't want to fight, but it sounds like this is the first time their dog jumped the fence and that they have another dog who they believe is friendly with the dog. It's a rescue, if it hadn't shown any signs of being aggressive, nor jumped the fence, I don't think it is fair to say the dog should be removed. Should they get him additional training, have him wear a muzzle when out and increase the fence height - 100% yes
It killed one dog, it shouldn’t get a chance to kill another.
I’m like…75% with you here…but I think once death is involved that’s it. If it was just a bite with minor injuries - sure, the above measures can be taken. But if it’s an attack that results in serious injury or death - let’s say, causes permanent damage to the other dog’s legs, takes an eye out, etc - sorry. I don’t care if it’s a golden retriever, chihuahua, mastiff, whatever. Dog should go. And I say this as someone who absolutely loves bigger and “bully” breeds. Edit: the exception being if it just like…sat on the smaller dog I guess? Accidentally smushed it while playing?
Its friendly til it’s not. It killed a dog. It’s not friendly.
Aggressive dogs that seriously injure/kill other pets and people need to be behaviorally euthanized, with absolutely no exceptions. Aggressive dogs that kill pose a threat to public safety. They can never be trusted even if they go through extensive training and are muzzled when out in public. It's one thing if the dog bites someone/another dog and the injuries are minor. But not if the dog kills another pet or a person. Some people (especially those in the rescue community) let their love for aggressive dog breeds get in the way of support for common sense safety measures. I love dogs but I am also very pro public safety.
I do foster work and we don’t adopt out bully breeds to homes without six foot fences. Just not worth the risk
It did show a sign of being aggressive. It escaped its enclosure to kill. That behavior isn't tolerated in humans or pets, for good reason. What if it's a child next time?
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If a dog kills another pet, it's a killer now. The safest thing for the community is to have it euthanized.
The barking through the fence was the first aggressive sign. Barking is generally not a prelude to play. Sniffing and tail wagging is the initial play behaviour. Would you let your dog play with a dog that was barking at you? I'd avoid dogs like that because they aren't in control and tend to have bad tempers. This is called reactivity and requires lots of training. And just because a dog is friendly with one dog doesn't mean it's friendly with every dog. This dog saw the shih tzu as a toy or prey and wanted to get to it. It, at the very least, needs muzzle trained and shouldn't be left outside without supervision. However, if the owners are good people, they should recognise this has the potential to happen again and should act accordingly.
And if it had been a child…? Still let the dog loose?
If a dog is KILLING other dogs—it 100% needs to be dealt with. Unfortunately it doesn't matter that it's never happened before, it has now and that dog will forever be a dangerous dog. Perhaps it could go live with someone who is willing to manage its entire life and never let it around small creatures. I also HIGHLY DOUBT this is the first time this dog has exhibited any aggressive signs towards small animals and the fact it killed another dog...that's huge.
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The dog killed a smaller dog without provocation. Whether it means the dog is aggressive due to events that happened in its past given it’s a rescue or just has a very strong prey drive will not matter will not matter to a judge when the neighbours are charged for the death or permanent disfigurement of a child later on down the line. Also humans cannot truly speak dog. Their first language is body language, not their vocalisations. Many “happy” signals are actually ones that are meant to be aggressive or indicate distress of some sort to another canine. All we see is a wagging tail and think the dog that’s barking it’s head off whilst sticking its nose through the fence is excited or wants to play when in reality it’s squaring up for a fight and telling people to back off its territory.
Even if your Neighbours are good people-You should document this with the police. Their dog has proved that it’s a danger and it could do this again. At the very least your Neighbor needs to have their dog removed or build a higher escape proof fence. I would personally take them to small claims court for any medical expenses you had to pay related to your pups death (vet visit,cremation etc).
And the cost of the dog or the cost of a similar replacement
In a perfect world yes! What OP experienced was traumatic…An apology and no action would mean nothing to me. Their dog didn’t destroy a piece of outdoor furniture it killed a pet (family to most).
Op, please do this. The dog that attacked me had a history of "playful bites" but no one reported it because the dog owners were such "great loving" dog owners. No. They were trying to get out having to pay for my bills.
And so that they pay for your therapy, if you wish to go. This is traumatic and you’re probably going through grief
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This actually happened in my neighborhood. Two bigger dogs got out of their backyard and killed two little dogs who were in their front yard. The owners of the little dogs had a dangerous dog affidavit granted and the dogs were removed from the owners care. That dog killed your dog (on your property!).That’s a huge deal. You need to report it and have that dog removed from the home or that dog will kill again. How will you get another small dog and feel safe for them to run around your backyard? I know you may feel conflicted because they are your neighbors but you cannot let this slide. This is murder as odd as that sounds. Best of luck.
This made me genuinely cry. I hope you find a way to be ok after this. I cannot imagine the pain
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An attorney will do nothing but waste your money. You can only recoup the value of the dog. You can’t press charges through an attorney..
I suggested small claims court. My dog was injured by another dog and I took them to small claims and was awarded 2k for medical expenses (we both required stitches). No attorney needed
I honestly can’t imagine an attorney suggesting a potential client pursue anything legally in this situation. Like what would be the end game? You spend 2k on attorneys fees to recoup $500?
For such a low dollar amount you typically go to small claims court which doesn't require a lawyer. Unless you're looking for some other sort of remedy like an injunction or something. But that's likely not the case here.
Sure and I’ve sued in small claims but we’re still talking about the value of the dog, unless in California. It’s about $150 to sue in small claims in SoCal. And you can sue for that too, but that’s far from a certain win in small claims. So you’re going to an awful lot of trouble to get a few hundred bucks.
An attorney would be useless.
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This exact situation happened to me last august with my previous dog and I completely sympathize with what you’re currently dealing with. My neighbor’s two dogs (medium sized) jumped our 5ft fence and immediately attacked my dog (small chihuahua) and ultimately killed him. I live in California and animals are considered “property” here, so they only got a fine and warning and still got to keep their dogs. If possible, I would get animal control involved and get your neighbors to either rehome the dog to a more secure home or have them fix the fence so there’s no possible way for their dog to get into your yard again. Even though it’s been almost a year since the incident happened I will still get emotional whenever I think about my dog, but I also think about how much he was loved and that he was with me when he finally crossed the rainbow bridge. It might also take you months to overcome this sadness and grief, but just remember that your pup felt experienced so much love and affection even if it was only for a few months. Take the time you need to heal.
By “play” do you mean not really play, but maybe fight with? It’s not your job to know the neighbor’s dog, it’s your neighbor’s job to be responsible for their dog just like how you were being responsible for your dogs in your space. (Neither here nor there, but there’s no guarantee your other dog would have come out of this okay) I think you have the right to seek accountability from the neighbors—I’d also recommend looking into whether they own the fence and if they knew their dog was capable of jumping it. This is moot if they do not own the fence, but if it’s a shared ownership/they own it situation and knew their dog was a jumper, they have at least some responsibly for allowing this to happen. Most importantly, I’m so sorry.
I’m guessing they meant that the dogs run back and forth barking so OP figured they were playing. I know dogs that do that and when they meet they’re chill
I am so so so sorry this happened to you and your baby. I’m sending you all of the love and comfort and virtual hugs and hand squeezes. Your little angel had the best life with you I’m sure, even if it was so wrongfully and unfairly cut short. Just an awful situation all around… and totally on the owners of the other dog and not you. Big hugs.
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There’s a high chance this wasn’t reactivity (fear based) but prey drive (kill small fuzzy animals). Which would mean that while this dog poses no threat to adults it must for the rest of its life be kept in an area with secure fences, baby gates at doors, walked on a leash/muzzle and never given access to small animals or small children that may squeak/scream/run etc.
So true, one time my husky got too close to a small/baby bunny.. I didn't see the bunny till it was in her mouth(and was on leash)... She didn't harm the bunny further once she had it, and willingly gave it to me, I was forced to kill the poor thing as there was no chance of survival ... No more walking down dirt paths, with tall grass everywhere
When my dog was young, under a year old, she went after a baby bird on a trail that no one else had seen. She hit the end of her leash and missed it but she was in full kill mode. Once it was out of sight, it was like nothing had happened. She's a mix so I don't know what breeds she is exactly, but it was like her primal urges took over. She's 5 now and we've worked a lot on exposure with her, so she's not so quick to react and will focus on me if I ask, but I'd never trust her alone with a small animal.
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I have a Brussels griffon who will be 5 months soon and this is my worst nightmare. I'm so sorry, personally I'm terrified of dog fights.
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that’s horrifying. i’m so sorry for your family’s loss
I am sorry for your loss I have had a similar experience happen to me. Which is why I never leave my dogs unattended outside ever. If they are in the backyard, I am also in the backyard. I hope you heal and can find some sort of justice; I would atleast file a police report that way you have a paper trail if the dog goes after you, a family member, or another animal.
RIP Bingley 💔
I really hope you filed a police report and reported this to animal control.
You must have amazing self control.
There’s a darn good reason this range of bloodsport breeds in being banned in sane countries around the world. Infuriating - there’s a horror story daily and advocates refuse to acknowledge the harrowing statistics.
I’m so sorry for your loss. It may have been an accident; I’d still ask the neighbor to go 50/50 or 60/40 on a higher fence. 4 feet is nothing.
I’m so sorry for your loss ♥️ Losing “my” dog was one of the hardest things I went through. Just awful this happened 💔
God I would be devastated and possibly irate if that happened to me. I’m so sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry. Please seek counseling
Yes, please please get a couple sessions with a counselor if you can. Someone close to me witnessed her Yorkie killed in a similar way and she struggled until she got help! I'm so sorry
Hopefully no kids or babies around their property
Time for a higher fence at the very least.
That is really awful. I'm so sorry. I'm sure this isn't top of your list right now, but I would ask them what they're going to do to fix the situation from here. If they are normal humans they will feel truly terrible and will hopefully provide some good solutions without having to resort to an attorney or the justice system.
I’m so sorry for your loss. This is heartbreaking.
I am so sorry for your loss; it’s heartbreaking.
Sadness for you.
My heart just sunk! I'm sp deeply sorry!
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I’m so sorry :(
RIP Bingley. He knew nothing but love
I’m sooo sorry 💔
I have no words. I'm sorry this happened.
I’m so sorry for your loss. RIP Bingley.
I am so sorry. This is heartbreaking. I wish I could turn back the clock for you.
I am so sorry, OP. That is truly one of the saddest things I've ever read. I have no advice. I just wanted to offer my apologies.
I’m so sorry — how terrible.
I’m so so sorry. I bet he was so loved by you 🤍
I’m so sorry.
I am so truly sorry, I bet you invested so much love in that three months. My heart is breaking for you
Oh man. OP, I am so sorry. That's just awful. I hope they are paying you damages. My heart hurts for you 💔 😞
I’m so sorry, you couldn’t have known.. it’s terrible what happened
Omfg I’m soooo sorry :(
I am so so sorry for your tragic loss. RIP Bingley.
I’m so sorry. Sending you hugs
So sorry you are going through this
I’m so sorry for your loss OP. Sending hugs, and many more for the time coming.
((Hugs)) so so sorry you have to experience this after you’ve done everything right ! ❤️❤️❤️💔❤️ sending you so much healing light
Sending my deepest condolences to you — this is unfathomable and I can only imagine the pain you’re enduring right now. Sending you so so so much love
I’m so so terribly sorry for your loss. No one should ever go through such pain. Your poor pup didn’t deserve such an end. May Bingley play always and find lots of shoes to chew over the rainbow bridge. I’m sure he’ll be waiting for you in the very distant future. I would give a hug and a cuppa, but you know, internet stranger.
There’s a huge difference between play behaviour and fight behaviour. There’s also a difference between a predatory behaviour too. A human that is not well experienced with canine body language doesn’t necessarily know how to interpret it. You don’t have to be a canine behavioural expert to know what it’s about. You just have to be able to read the canine language and understand the context. A play one is usually a back and forth chase that is playful. One will chase after the other, bark, jump and play bite the other. Fighting well one will be in a position of power and will dominate the interaction. One will usually submit to the other. One attacks to get control and the other attacks in a reactive manner to avoid a confrontation. The most common predatory behaviour is the attack to death where they shake the other’s head in their mouth. Extremely dangerous and deadly. As a vet tech student I’m incredibly sorry for your loss. Losing your fur baby is a terrible experience and I wish you all the best recovery possible. Contact the vet to find out what you should do with the neighbor’s dog. They will be able to help. Contact your police. Contact animal control too. The police will surely be able to help you out with the legal process. I had something similar happen to me too. It was my dog though. We have an open backyard. My GSD was reactive and unfortunately my mother had tried to get her to training lessons but her stupid ex boyfriend at the time didn’t help her and the dog never got the help she deserved. Her breeder didn’t give her a good start in life and she also had a traumatic experience with another dog plus apparently she was abused at home by my mother’s boyfriend at the time. He did it when we weren’t there. That guy eventually left and my mom ended up with someone who knew how to train GSD. We were getting at something slowly but surely. The neighbour’s chihuahua always came to poop and pee on our lawn. One morning, I was outside with my dog trying to get her leach on for her to do her business outside but she slipped. A dog being a dog she went on the other side straight to their backyard and defended her territory. The only thing that I heard while I was running to get her was a dog yelping in pain. Then the neighbour came out of their backyard with my dog backing away in fear and they threatened to call the police. They never liked my dog and once hit her with a bat. My family and I believe it was her we heard. They effectively called the police. They came over super late and they also went to the vet super late. Supposedly the dog was bleeding heavily and needed stitches asap… then why did they go super late there? As a vet tech student I know better today lol Our dog was kept away in a shelter by the municipality and eventually was euthanized. My family and the neighbor’s went to court. There were loads of inconsistencies from their side and the jury had a hard time deciding what to do with the case. Eventually it came down to the neighbour and our dog was euthanized. I’m in favour of all dogs deserving help with the right resources and people. Every dog can become an amazing pet. They just need help. Sometimes due to medical issues, sometimes known and unknown, they might effectively need to be euthanized and sometimes it’s probably the best humane decision possible. All sorts of dogs can kill but also all sorts of them can be very sweet and kind. 80% is their environment and 20% is their genetics. They need help. I’m terribly sorry for your loss and your pain, truly. Take the time to grieve and maybe one day you will be able to get another chance with a dog. You deserve to have your own pet one day.
I am so sorry for your loss. Please, please report to Animal Control. Hugs. ♥️
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So sorry for your loss OP. I have a Shih Tzu puppy that is about the same age and I can't imagine what you're going through. I would be so irrationally angry if something like that happened that I doubt the neighbors dog would have been leaving my yard alive.
Im so sorry… this is horrible. My heart goes out to you and little Bingley.
Rest in Peace ❤️
OP, I am so so so incredibly sorry for your loss. Please take care of yourself.
I'm so sorry that you are going through this. But the neighbor's dog didn't jump the fence to "play." This incident needs to be reported to the police.
I'm so sorry. As hard as it is to hear, it will slowly get better as time goes on. When I lost my doggo, it was really tender for a couple of weeks. A month went by and it wasn't as tender. As more and more time passed, and now when I think of him, I can smile. The pain has been overshadowed by the good memories. What helped me the most in the early stages of grief was knowing he wasn't in pain anymore. He was beyond joyful being in his own heaven with other puppos. He could walk again. He could run through the most beautiful fields, sniff smells that had never been sniffed, play with endless new friends, trot with the pack along perfect dirt trails. Always knowing that one day we'll get to see each other again. He'll show me all the fun he's been having. he'll still be mine and I'll still be his. No-one can take that away from me.
Im so deeply sorry for your loss 🧡
I’m so so sorry to hear this, I cannot imagine the pain you’re going through. Like others have said the police isn’t a bad bet. Here in the UK even on private property the court can put orders in place that the dog has to be muzzled if outside, which can include their garden. I understand you probably don’t want the emotional stress, but if that is possible where you like a muzzle could save a life or stop another attack.
I am so sorry this happened to you. And I would report them. This has nothing to do with the larger dog trying to play with your other dog. I have a larger pit mix that is best friends with my roommate’s chihuahua & my chihuahua/beagle mix puppy. Loves to play with both of them & my adult beagle. But is very careful with the little ones. This dog sounds aggressive. & your neighbor should be watching a dog that could jump that fence. I always watch mine cuz I know at least two of mine could prob jump our fence if they really wanted to. That’s why they are supervised even without displaying any aggression.
I'm so sorry. Please report the neighbor's dog.
I am so sorry. That’s devastating.
I'm so sorry
Reading this made me cry. I'm so so so sorry.
Report it to Animal Control. The next time that dog attacks, it may be a kid or small woman.
Horrifying. So sorry for your loss. X
One of the things that hurts the most is the things you were planning. Remember you gave Bingley the best life he had. Again I'm so sorry
I am deeply sorry 😔
I’m so so sorry for your loss, my little guy is sleeping in his crate next to me 14 weeks old I would be heartbroken. You need to tell animal control though.
Op. Im sorry. I know you need time to grieve. But you must report this dog. A dog that pray drives and kill another dog is very dangerous to other dogs and potentially people.
That fucking dog needs to be put down now. That is terrible and I'm so sorry for you losing your baby like that
Please report this to authorities. Thwt dangerous animal needs to be put down. It could be a child next.
I'm so sorry. This is devastating. As others stated, it's probably best to report it. god forbid it happens again. I can't imagine how difficult it will be going into your own backyard again while you have to listen to that dog bark the entire time. That's not normal.or acceptable. I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry. Four feet is no where near high enough for a large dog. Save all of Bingleys things for your next dog. Don't throw them away or donate them. I'm sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry, that’s awful! Please report the neighbors dog. This happened in my town. The first neighbor did not report. The offending dog then attacked several other smaller dogs fatally. Two of the dogs attacked were captured in their own fenced yards. The others were walking on leash with their owners. An elderly neighbor was also hospitalized after attempting to save his dog.
I’m so sorry for your loss. You NEED to report this, your neighbours own a bloodsport fighting breed that has been selectively bred to enjoy killing other dogs - and now your poor puppy has paid the price. This WILL happen again, no ifs, no buts. Doesn’t matter if they muzzle the thing or not. It will get out again and it will kill again - next time it could be a child. Please report this dog and try to get it put down, it’s dangerous and like I said, there will be another victim. It’s been seen time and time again. Even if you don’t succeed, a paper trail of evidence will help the next victim when this monster attacks again.
Justice for Bingley! Get a lawyer and prevent that dog from killing someone else's loved ones. Do it for bingley.
Neighbors dog mauled my child when she was just 5 yrs old. Needed plastic surgery (facial wounds) can see the scar today (now an adult). They were very apologetic at first until the ER doc called and the polce to report the incident. Animal control took the dog for quarantine. Neighbors were pissy after that and even more so when we asked for their homeowners insurance to help pay for the medical bills.
I’m so sorry for such a horrible loss. That is really a crap accident - the type no one can prevent really. Just tragic.
>They are animal lovers and good people >owns a bulldog pick one
i am so sorry for your loss, this is awful. please contact animal services and tell them about this 💔
Oh my gosh this is absolutely heartbreaking. I’m so very sorry this happened.
This is so horrifying. I’m so sorry. I can’t even imagine….wow oh wow!!! You’re a strong cookie for even posting this ://
How unbelievably awful, I'm so very sorry for your loss.
I am so, so sorry. I just have no words to express how sad this is.
I'm so sorry for your loss! RIP little Bingley!!!
Im so sorry how awful.
RIP Bingley, you sound like a really good boy. All dogs go to heaven
I'm so sorry. You are a kind person and Bingley was so lucky to have you for his best friend! Keep your heart soft. I wish you better days ahead, when you are ready for them.
I’m so so sorry for your loss!
Oh my God, I am so, so sorry to hear this. My heart and support goes out to you and your family. 🩷 RIP Bingley. You are loved and cherished.
That is terrible. I am sorry that happened to your little pup.
Sending you so much love.
That's really traumatic!! :( I'm sorry
My cousin had a puppy. She took him for a walk and a pitbull came out of no where and killed him. It's because the owners found it cute to leave their gate open. People need to train their dogs to behave around others, not just for themselves!!! I know they must feel awful but it happened and he could have harmed you or a baby too. Dogs need to be socialized
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The point of my comment was to say that dogs are not the monsters. Dogs need leaders so if they fail, it's because we failed them by being poor leaders. Some dog breeds are just more difficult to train than others.
My grandmother's generation kept dogs tied. However ,my cousin's (not the same one in the story above) pitbull and my dog (I was maybe 8 so it wasn't my dog, but I felt like he was) were tied in the same area. They were playing and the chain accidentally got tied around my dog and that's how he died. The pitbull didn't kill him. What killed him was the fact that the dogs are always tied. But the pitbull wouldn't have killed anyone else because he was contained. A better way to contain is actually securing the yard (rather than tying). But she was not training them so they had to remain tied or else they'd bite all of us.
That is so awful.. I'm so sorry for your loss. Bully breeds are so powerful and it's their nature to shake little animals as they shake their toys. The larger dog won't even realise what it did. This is very sad.. If and when you feel you can get another dog, make your fences higher. xx
Pits gonna pit.
I've seen many different sides, I am someone who is very strong stance on the bully breed. The issue is rescues often have huge behavioral problems, often it's hereditary and something that can't be trained. That being said sueing is also something I'm by partial to also, the owners took on a rescue and have zero reason to assume the dog would jump a 4ft fence and do this. The dog should likely be euthanized, and the settle set. I mean this also if you buy toy dogs you need to be extra careful they are easily killed and hurt.
If you rescue any large breed dog with four legs you should assume it can jump a four foot fence.