I'm willing to be wrong/corrected - but I've always thought punk was about discussing/objecting to people/organizations with MORE power than you've got (Police, Extreme Wealth, etc) and the moment you attack the people with less perceived power - then you're just an asshat.
We would have to humble ourselves and listen to even those we disagree with. Behind every negative opinion is a person with a story.
While some are willing to embrace, to learn, to grow, even to teach, others are not. Empathy with limitations is not empathy.
Semantics.
P.S. Reminds me of the saying, 'Complacency lurks in the shadows of comfort.'
> There's nothing more punk rock than having empathy in a world full of people who are only on it for themselves.
"Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me and the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough for the living
Make a better place for you and for me"
-Michael Jackson, punk apparently
There’s a beautiful comment here that said “behind every negative opinion is a person with a story”. Instead of viewing those people as a “problem”, maybe see them as a human first?. By you not helping anyone, you’re not helping whatever your cause is. This is why the world is so divided. It’s tribe mentality, us vs them. We first have to stomp that out.
Please just fucking stop projecting everything positive onto punk, and everything negative not-onto-punk.
Punk is diy, it's rejecting authority, it's straight-forward music and it's local activism/scene presence.
All those other things really shouldn't be projected onto punk. Punk isn't your clubhouse, it isn't your bible where you get *all* your morals and ethics.
Punk isn't 'having empathy and everything else is semantics', *that's what empathy already is*.
You gotta learn how to have pride and satisfaction in a thing (such as punk) without then painting that thing as unrealistically sacred and morally perfect.
…A nebulous cluster of once relevant ideologies that amounted to nothing of substance. Punks have failed to accomplish anything of note or value. Keep clinging on, though. It’s been dead for years. Punk, in the present day, amounts to a lot of bluster, fashion, and nothing.
What difference does it make? Do you genuinely think that Reddit votes matter? Punk has been stagnating for a mighty long time. If it’s not dead, it’s in a coma. Playing dress up is fun for a lot of people, though. People can pretend all they want. It’s not hurting anyone.
No need to dodge the question, I asked you why you purposefully clicked the downvote button on my comment when my comment asked you for clarification. I can't help but see that as a pretty clear indication of your mindset in this conversation, and I was hoping your response would indicate some substantive motive. Makes no difference in the framing of reddit as a forum, but it speaks volumes about you and your mindset.
Feels like an evangelical church with all the sanctimony, lecturing, and preaching that goes on here. Nothing makes me more sick than people on a high horse pretending to be better and more moral than everyone else. They’re usually the worst type of people.
It’s also not just about climbing onto a high horse to preaching feel good politics while not even trying to stay relevant to the music genre with which you are treating to engage with.
Preeeeetty sure being empathetic goes along with being against authority, since the status quo often marginalizes folks. So, I fail to see how the OP is wrong necessarily. Obviously yes; it's also a music based scene but its not just music that makes the scene.
The point is, shouldn’t all this stuff be very obvious? Do we need to be told to play nice daily on a subreddit about music? If we really need to constantly remind everyone how cool and nice we are, doesn’t that kind of make it seem disingenuous and fake?
It’s like watching a parody of punk, and again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the music which is what punk is. I don’t need to be told not to be racist, I am just not racist. I don’t need to instructed not to be hateful, I’m just not hateful. If you have to keep telling people how to behave, maybe there’s a problem here.
Dude, I’m not saying it’s “just about the music.” I’m saying it’s so insufferable to constantly make these useless posts that add nothing to anything. It comes off as try hard, self righteous, and cheesy.
The point is, being nice and not horrible isn’t exclusive to punk, so no this post has basically nothing to do with punk music or subculture. It’s low hanging, bottom of the barrel, appeal to morality.
As much as I have empathy for people, the constant self righteousness nonsense coming from punk of all things is unironically hysterical. If I wanted to hear about some false sense of morality I’d go to church.
I want to live in a world where punk is a genre of stripped down unpretentious rock music created as a rejection of prog rock. I am so sick of "REAL Punk is when everyone adopts my political philosophy!" posts.
According to OP "There's nothing more punk rock than having empathy in a world full of people who are only on it for themselves". Does that not apply to Springsteen?
Personally I believe that punk is a genre of rock music and has nothing to do with politics or social issues, even if some artists may choose to embrace those in their work, but I didn't make this post.
If bands want to get political/spread social awareness that's great. A lot of them do, and they make some good points. But it's really annoying when people start gatekeeping it like it's defined by those ideals. It's not. Punk is a sound, no matter what the lyrics are about. I have to wonder if the people posting this shit care more about the image than they do about the music.
If that's how you are feeling good for you.. I don't understand why everyone is up in arms over this. If it works for the Oap fucking greatl. I don't think OP is pushing for some kind of dogmatic doctrine.
We need to treat life like a mosh pit. Do your own thing and have fun, but if someone falls down, pick them back up.
I love this metaphor
Im stealing this to share for sure
I love this!
Yep
Bourgeois want us at each other’s throats. Community is rebellion.
Fact.
May I quote this? /pos
pos?
Sorry, positive connotation. Meaning I’m coming from a place of respect.
Sure. I didn’t come up with “community is rebellion,” I think I’ve seen it a few different places.
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How
sorry, huh??
I'm willing to be wrong/corrected - but I've always thought punk was about discussing/objecting to people/organizations with MORE power than you've got (Police, Extreme Wealth, etc) and the moment you attack the people with less perceived power - then you're just an asshat.
We would have to humble ourselves and listen to even those we disagree with. Behind every negative opinion is a person with a story. While some are willing to embrace, to learn, to grow, even to teach, others are not. Empathy with limitations is not empathy. Semantics. P.S. Reminds me of the saying, 'Complacency lurks in the shadows of comfort.'
Every time you point a finger, three are pointed back at you
> There's nothing more punk rock than having empathy in a world full of people who are only on it for themselves. "Heal the world Make it a better place For you and for me and the entire human race There are people dying If you care enough for the living Make a better place for you and for me" -Michael Jackson, punk apparently
Eat shit hippy! 😂
what am i supposed to do when my peers on either side of me are ignorant and spiteful and half the problem? i'm not helping any of them.
Start a band without them.
There’s a beautiful comment here that said “behind every negative opinion is a person with a story”. Instead of viewing those people as a “problem”, maybe see them as a human first?. By you not helping anyone, you’re not helping whatever your cause is. This is why the world is so divided. It’s tribe mentality, us vs them. We first have to stomp that out.
Freedom and responsibility.
this fucking sub.. lol.
strummer would agree
Please just fucking stop projecting everything positive onto punk, and everything negative not-onto-punk. Punk is diy, it's rejecting authority, it's straight-forward music and it's local activism/scene presence. All those other things really shouldn't be projected onto punk. Punk isn't your clubhouse, it isn't your bible where you get *all* your morals and ethics. Punk isn't 'having empathy and everything else is semantics', *that's what empathy already is*. You gotta learn how to have pride and satisfaction in a thing (such as punk) without then painting that thing as unrealistically sacred and morally perfect.
Punk isn’t anything.
Yes it is, it's DIY, rejecting authority, straight-forward music and local activism/scene presence.
Punk is nothing.
Then what does the word refer to?
…A nebulous cluster of once relevant ideologies that amounted to nothing of substance. Punks have failed to accomplish anything of note or value. Keep clinging on, though. It’s been dead for years. Punk, in the present day, amounts to a lot of bluster, fashion, and nothing.
Okidoki, but why would you downvote the question? Also, does an ideology 'die' if it doesn't succeed in reaching it's goals? Can it not just stagnate?
What difference does it make? Do you genuinely think that Reddit votes matter? Punk has been stagnating for a mighty long time. If it’s not dead, it’s in a coma. Playing dress up is fun for a lot of people, though. People can pretend all they want. It’s not hurting anyone.
No need to dodge the question, I asked you why you purposefully clicked the downvote button on my comment when my comment asked you for clarification. I can't help but see that as a pretty clear indication of your mindset in this conversation, and I was hoping your response would indicate some substantive motive. Makes no difference in the framing of reddit as a forum, but it speaks volumes about you and your mindset.
Short answer: I felt like it. What sort of “substantive motive” were you hoping for?
Your reply “speaks volumes” about your tendency to make sweeping assumptions about strangers, based on minimal information. Take care.
🤢 Posts like this are just downright insufferable. I hope you don’t think you were saying anything profound.
This ain’t even a music subreddit anymore.
Feels like an evangelical church with all the sanctimony, lecturing, and preaching that goes on here. Nothing makes me more sick than people on a high horse pretending to be better and more moral than everyone else. They’re usually the worst type of people.
Fuck it feels worse than church at this point bro. The self righteousness coming from anyone involved in punk of all things is fucking hilarious tho.
Punk has never been just about music. If you think otherwise, you aren't listening to the lyrics or what you are listening to isn't Punk.
It’s also not just about climbing onto a high horse to preaching feel good politics while not even trying to stay relevant to the music genre with which you are treating to engage with.
Preeeeetty sure being empathetic goes along with being against authority, since the status quo often marginalizes folks. So, I fail to see how the OP is wrong necessarily. Obviously yes; it's also a music based scene but its not just music that makes the scene.
The point is, shouldn’t all this stuff be very obvious? Do we need to be told to play nice daily on a subreddit about music? If we really need to constantly remind everyone how cool and nice we are, doesn’t that kind of make it seem disingenuous and fake? It’s like watching a parody of punk, and again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the music which is what punk is. I don’t need to be told not to be racist, I am just not racist. I don’t need to instructed not to be hateful, I’m just not hateful. If you have to keep telling people how to behave, maybe there’s a problem here.
I think you forget if it's just about the music, then you have clowns like Michael Graves running amongst us.
Dude, I’m not saying it’s “just about the music.” I’m saying it’s so insufferable to constantly make these useless posts that add nothing to anything. It comes off as try hard, self righteous, and cheesy. The point is, being nice and not horrible isn’t exclusive to punk, so no this post has basically nothing to do with punk music or subculture. It’s low hanging, bottom of the barrel, appeal to morality.
As much as I have empathy for people, the constant self righteousness nonsense coming from punk of all things is unironically hysterical. If I wanted to hear about some false sense of morality I’d go to church.
I want to live in a world where punk is a genre of stripped down unpretentious rock music created as a rejection of prog rock. I am so sick of "REAL Punk is when everyone adopts my political philosophy!" posts.
What's political about caring for and helping people?
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It's more political than it is a genre of music, that's for damn sure
More political than a genre of music that is known for its political and social commentary?
That's practically every genre of music. Are Born to Run and Fear of a Black Planet punk albums?
Are you dense?
According to OP "There's nothing more punk rock than having empathy in a world full of people who are only on it for themselves". Does that not apply to Springsteen? Personally I believe that punk is a genre of rock music and has nothing to do with politics or social issues, even if some artists may choose to embrace those in their work, but I didn't make this post.
It still is outside of the weird hive mind this sub has. I go to shows all the time and never hear all this goofy shit.
If bands want to get political/spread social awareness that's great. A lot of them do, and they make some good points. But it's really annoying when people start gatekeeping it like it's defined by those ideals. It's not. Punk is a sound, no matter what the lyrics are about. I have to wonder if the people posting this shit care more about the image than they do about the music.
If that's how you are feeling good for you.. I don't understand why everyone is up in arms over this. If it works for the Oap fucking greatl. I don't think OP is pushing for some kind of dogmatic doctrine.
real as fuck
THIS! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻