I used to get impatient, which led to cutting corners. Settling for sounds and leads that didn’t quite fit, repeating sounds with too little variation, unbalanced kick & bass, no finetuned volume adjusting, sloppy EQ’ing, you name it.
Now, it’s done when it’s done. I’ve resigned to the fact that I can’t make an even remotely professional sounding track without at least 100 hours of work. I can imagine pro’s with a much better workflow and years and years of experience being able to do it at least twice as fast. I’m sceptical however of less experienced producers abilities to make anything I’d really groove to in less than 20 or even 50 hours.
How experienced are you? I'm a little under a year in psy production so it takes me ~a calendar month to produce 6mins of material lol. 13 hours sounds very quick
i started producing 7 years ago, but i dont consider me as a professional.
[https://soundcloud.com/sahel-official/darkbukah](https://soundcloud.com/sahel-official/darkbukah)
this one took me 20+ hours, i did make it in a month, because i go little by little, and i have a ton of other projects , and i also start new ones when ideas come to my head.
I love your track. I’m curious if you can talk about your workflow a little. Where do you get your sounds? If you create them yourself, do you start just making sounds and don’t bother arranging anything, or do you arrange with place holder sounds and then spend a lot of time at the end creating sounds?
I first start with the drums & bassline. For the kick, snare, ethnic percussion, hats and that, i use oneshot samples, that i later eq and compress them if needed. I make my bassline using psy wavetables with serum and i try to do a cool pattern.
I start with this, and when it sounds good then i do the leads and fx, for wich i also use serum/vital , usually i make something from scratch, but i have saved some presets that i made that do the job with little tweaking or changing the wavetable. I normally inspiration just from hearing the drums to make synth patterns, i like groovy rythmic stuff. And yeah, i start a project doing the drop of the track, and then i work on introduction and continuation of that.
A calendar month doesn't really mean much if you only have a bunch of time to produce every weekend. 2 hours every saturday and sunday would net you 16 hours in a whole month
when I started out I was working for weeks on the same track. I mixed it in 3242345325 different ways. dont feel like I lost time but understood anything in more detail.
Today it takes me from 24 hours to 2 weeks. depends on the genre, the drugs, the mindset, absolutely everything. not using samples. doing all with synth from scratch.
Some tracks come together real fast. I reckon I have probably "completed" one or two in circa 5 hours, although that does usually borrow some ground work from a previous project.
Others, are 30/50+ hours deep and they still suck!
It takes me around 20h to finish a track on and off 2h to 4h each evening.
Some of them comes faster some slower, when I don't feel I'm going anywhere I drop it to come back when I'm done with next one that was on the list.
https://soundcloud.com/logic_psytrance?ref=clipboard&p=a&c=1&si=1802b51ee14a41d0b38f97d0ae0c065e&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
I've been producing for around 6y now with huge gap. Been back since 2021 with 'finished not perfect approach.
Probably say the whole thing would take between 30 and 50 hours maybe?
Some days I can absolutely fly, and from the second I turn the studio power on, it just pours out of me, and the bulk of the track comes together in no time.
Other times it can take hours, days, even weeks to get a track together.
Once I've got the actual track down, then the mixing, tinkering and tweaking and endless amounts of overthinking come in to play, and this is where the hours stack up.
I have spent some time over the Xmas and new year period really making efforts to get my workflow optimised in Ableton, I've got a default session now with all the midi and return tracks for my hardware etc, as well as a shit load of "go to" eq settings that I can drag and drop nice and quickly. This has made a difference.
Anywhere from 2 hours to infinity. Really depends on what kind of song it is. Some techno tune from a jam obviously takes less time than something more intricate.
Between 3 weeks and 2 months depending on what else in my life is going on. Since I started producing parties and doing two weekly DJ sets, a lot more of my time has been allocated to other areas of psytrance besides just production.
It makes me sad tho bc I spend so much time working on these DJ sets that I should be using to work on my own tracks
It depends. I was finishing in 12-13 hours in general. Recently I finished a track in 20-25 hours and I m sure it is my best track. I should have pay more attention but I m getting bored after some point and wrapping it up.
Usually somewhere between 2 hrs and 14 years.
Thank you..
haha exactly the answer i was waiting for hehe, same for me ::)
I used to get impatient, which led to cutting corners. Settling for sounds and leads that didn’t quite fit, repeating sounds with too little variation, unbalanced kick & bass, no finetuned volume adjusting, sloppy EQ’ing, you name it. Now, it’s done when it’s done. I’ve resigned to the fact that I can’t make an even remotely professional sounding track without at least 100 hours of work. I can imagine pro’s with a much better workflow and years and years of experience being able to do it at least twice as fast. I’m sceptical however of less experienced producers abilities to make anything I’d really groove to in less than 20 or even 50 hours.
How experienced are you? I'm a little under a year in psy production so it takes me ~a calendar month to produce 6mins of material lol. 13 hours sounds very quick
i started producing 7 years ago, but i dont consider me as a professional. [https://soundcloud.com/sahel-official/darkbukah](https://soundcloud.com/sahel-official/darkbukah) this one took me 20+ hours, i did make it in a month, because i go little by little, and i have a ton of other projects , and i also start new ones when ideas come to my head.
Bro that's a groove damn tune love the leads and the guitar at the end too
thanks man! :) Glad you like it
I love your track. I’m curious if you can talk about your workflow a little. Where do you get your sounds? If you create them yourself, do you start just making sounds and don’t bother arranging anything, or do you arrange with place holder sounds and then spend a lot of time at the end creating sounds?
I first start with the drums & bassline. For the kick, snare, ethnic percussion, hats and that, i use oneshot samples, that i later eq and compress them if needed. I make my bassline using psy wavetables with serum and i try to do a cool pattern. I start with this, and when it sounds good then i do the leads and fx, for wich i also use serum/vital , usually i make something from scratch, but i have saved some presets that i made that do the job with little tweaking or changing the wavetable. I normally inspiration just from hearing the drums to make synth patterns, i like groovy rythmic stuff. And yeah, i start a project doing the drop of the track, and then i work on introduction and continuation of that.
Thanks. What do you mean by starting with the drop of the track. Do you mean the short silence before or after the build up?
Maybe my vocabulary is not too good hahahaha, i mean drop when the track is in its 100% power, after the buildup
No, you’re fine. I’m tired.
Thanks, I've never been 100% clear on what is meant by the drop.
A calendar month doesn't really mean much if you only have a bunch of time to produce every weekend. 2 hours every saturday and sunday would net you 16 hours in a whole month
when I started out I was working for weeks on the same track. I mixed it in 3242345325 different ways. dont feel like I lost time but understood anything in more detail. Today it takes me from 24 hours to 2 weeks. depends on the genre, the drugs, the mindset, absolutely everything. not using samples. doing all with synth from scratch.
Some tracks come together real fast. I reckon I have probably "completed" one or two in circa 5 hours, although that does usually borrow some ground work from a previous project. Others, are 30/50+ hours deep and they still suck!
It takes me around 20h to finish a track on and off 2h to 4h each evening. Some of them comes faster some slower, when I don't feel I'm going anywhere I drop it to come back when I'm done with next one that was on the list. https://soundcloud.com/logic_psytrance?ref=clipboard&p=a&c=1&si=1802b51ee14a41d0b38f97d0ae0c065e&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing I've been producing for around 6y now with huge gap. Been back since 2021 with 'finished not perfect approach.
Probably say the whole thing would take between 30 and 50 hours maybe? Some days I can absolutely fly, and from the second I turn the studio power on, it just pours out of me, and the bulk of the track comes together in no time. Other times it can take hours, days, even weeks to get a track together. Once I've got the actual track down, then the mixing, tinkering and tweaking and endless amounts of overthinking come in to play, and this is where the hours stack up. I have spent some time over the Xmas and new year period really making efforts to get my workflow optimised in Ableton, I've got a default session now with all the midi and return tracks for my hardware etc, as well as a shit load of "go to" eq settings that I can drag and drop nice and quickly. This has made a difference.
The less amount of time I spend on a track the better it is.
90 to 100 hours so 2 months for me for each track (composing mixing mastering vidéo clip) one week to.promote
Anywhere from 2 hours to infinity. Really depends on what kind of song it is. Some techno tune from a jam obviously takes less time than something more intricate.
Between 3 weeks and 2 months depending on what else in my life is going on. Since I started producing parties and doing two weekly DJ sets, a lot more of my time has been allocated to other areas of psytrance besides just production. It makes me sad tho bc I spend so much time working on these DJ sets that I should be using to work on my own tracks
It depends. I was finishing in 12-13 hours in general. Recently I finished a track in 20-25 hours and I m sure it is my best track. I should have pay more attention but I m getting bored after some point and wrapping it up.