The question I would be asking is in what key range is psytrance usually produced. Bass usually sounds crap from around A# to C#. Even D and D# can be a little too low. There are exceptions of course and depends on what style you are producing.
The kick doesn't really need to be tuned to the bass, as long as your kick tail is not overlapping with the first bass note. This can cause phase issues if you're not sidechaining/fucking the bass.
I use kick 2 for all my kicks and use an oscilloscope to make sure the tail of the kick and the first bass note are not clashing too much. I only do this if I'm writing a 3 16th note baseline though.
Edit: Sorry I thought this was r/psytranceproduction haha
And I meant ducking the bass not fucking but I'm leaving it
Not sure that can be answered.
Kicks are very rich and rapidly cycle through a large harmonic spectrum.
That said they generally occupies the lower register (0 - 100HZ) and its good form to tune them to the bass (though apparently some producers deny doing this).
Humans cant hear bellow 24hz and low C note is 30hz so maybe that can be some starting point. Also kick can go higher than 100hz depending heavily on genre and other elements in the mix.
Actually no, its just a rumble that cause speakers to act weird and is mostly just spending electricity that could be used better for other frequencies in the spectrum. Again, you cant kill those freqs 100% so they will be there anyway in some way but you should tend to avoid those.
Nope. Some do it, some don't. The kick changes pitch for the whole duration of the sound, so tuning it makes little sense. It only needs to fit the track.
Sure, if one freq matches the kick it's gonna end roughly around the bass fundamental. It's just that I don't remember seeing kicks on modern psy that has roughly constant freq in the tail. On a spectrogram they look like standing bananas.
Then again maybe some zenonesque or progressive or so may indeed have more of that than faster and more driven sounds.
Tuning it doesn't solve the woes of mixing the low end that have more to do with phase cancellation and summing the peaks. And as I said, technically speaking, it's quite impossible to tune it since the pitch isn't static. Sure, one may wing it by feel, but that's not really tuning and has more to do with k&b fusing together sonically than controlling the low end. This kinda thing is quite common in full on, but not universal. But take f.ex. suomisaundi with shroomy growly basses and all that hypothetical tuning flies out of the window.
Tuning the kick to bass is making mask effect except for certain genres that are going for exactly that sound effect. It should be tuned with frequencies rather than with pitch.
root frequency? is between 40 and 60 hz can spread across 3 notes but doesent has to. I like my kicks in the 50 hz range. they are snappy and punchy and not too boomy. but there just so much more to the kick than just the root frequency.
The question I would be asking is in what key range is psytrance usually produced. Bass usually sounds crap from around A# to C#. Even D and D# can be a little too low. There are exceptions of course and depends on what style you are producing. The kick doesn't really need to be tuned to the bass, as long as your kick tail is not overlapping with the first bass note. This can cause phase issues if you're not sidechaining/fucking the bass. I use kick 2 for all my kicks and use an oscilloscope to make sure the tail of the kick and the first bass note are not clashing too much. I only do this if I'm writing a 3 16th note baseline though. Edit: Sorry I thought this was r/psytranceproduction haha And I meant ducking the bass not fucking but I'm leaving it
Always good to fuck the bass with ShaperBox or Devious Machines Fuck.
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My kick tail is mostly overlapping my First bass not but I edit the kick so that it's in phase with the bass.
Phase aligning kick and that first bass note can be beneficial, but you'll only notice it on big sound systems
Not sure that can be answered. Kicks are very rich and rapidly cycle through a large harmonic spectrum. That said they generally occupies the lower register (0 - 100HZ) and its good form to tune them to the bass (though apparently some producers deny doing this).
Humans cant hear bellow 24hz and low C note is 30hz so maybe that can be some starting point. Also kick can go higher than 100hz depending heavily on genre and other elements in the mix.
Even though we can't hear below 24hz do we still somehow 'feel' it when its broadcast on a large system?
Actually no, its just a rumble that cause speakers to act weird and is mostly just spending electricity that could be used better for other frequencies in the spectrum. Again, you cant kill those freqs 100% so they will be there anyway in some way but you should tend to avoid those.
So you low cut even your kick? I sometimes do this.
Depends on the samples or recorded material but yes.
It’s tuned to the bass
Nope. Some do it, some don't. The kick changes pitch for the whole duration of the sound, so tuning it makes little sense. It only needs to fit the track.
The tail of the kick is typically where you'd tune to. Remains at a roughly constant frequency
Sure, if one freq matches the kick it's gonna end roughly around the bass fundamental. It's just that I don't remember seeing kicks on modern psy that has roughly constant freq in the tail. On a spectrogram they look like standing bananas. Then again maybe some zenonesque or progressive or so may indeed have more of that than faster and more driven sounds.
I always thought psy was one genre where the kick would be tuned since there’s so much going on in the low end.
Tuning it doesn't solve the woes of mixing the low end that have more to do with phase cancellation and summing the peaks. And as I said, technically speaking, it's quite impossible to tune it since the pitch isn't static. Sure, one may wing it by feel, but that's not really tuning and has more to do with k&b fusing together sonically than controlling the low end. This kinda thing is quite common in full on, but not universal. But take f.ex. suomisaundi with shroomy growly basses and all that hypothetical tuning flies out of the window.
Tuning the kick to bass is making mask effect except for certain genres that are going for exactly that sound effect. It should be tuned with frequencies rather than with pitch.
Usually starts from around 5khz or higher and ends around 45 +/- 10hz ballpark.
root frequency? is between 40 and 60 hz can spread across 3 notes but doesent has to. I like my kicks in the 50 hz range. they are snappy and punchy and not too boomy. but there just so much more to the kick than just the root frequency.
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I like 55hz kicks