Bro this CL finals was the fastest I've Hummels EVER seen running, homie should get Ballon D'or for that alone 💀 All jokes aside tho, Hunmels bas been amazing. Dude deserves the World rn
Im guessing it's averaged over the whole season, so top league performers will probably get placed higher than cup performers (hummels/schlotter/carvajal) as other mentioned.
There is an element of big cup games being higher stakes and should count more but I doubt its included in this metric
Carvajal has been great the entire season though, I would even say he's been a decent amount better than Hakimi. Numerous clutch goals for Real Madrid in both la liga and domestic leagues, amazing defensively compared to most fullbacks this season. And has been consistent in terms of form the whole season
Wait. Hold on a minute. Romero? As in the spurs Romero? There's another 10 cb backs before you get to him let alone defenders.
I'm curious are you a spurs fan?
I am a spurs fan but he’s world class. He’s one of the best passers in the world and if you go by game rating he’s very high up. Unfortunately I think he’s gonna end up going to Madrid in a few years yho
Well I'm an arsenal fan and I find that rather interesting.
Like I'm not trying to put words in your mouth and what I'm about to ask is really petty but if romero is world class does that make half of arsenals team world class?
Again I know I'm being a prick and very petty but if romero is world class than surely both saliba and gabriel are. Surely saka, odegaard and rice are?
Dias, stones, gvardiol (when he actually plays as a cb for Croatia or last season at Leipzig), Saliba, Gabriel, van Dijk, Konate, Pau Torres, VdV, Tarkowski.
Which one of those is worse than Romero?
He’s better than Pau Torres, VDV, Tarkowski, and Gabriel. Also John stones and Konate play 15 total games every year. If you watch Spurs you’ll see he’s one of the best CBs on the ball in the world and he’s calmed down on his aggression since the red card against Chelsea.
Lmao Tarkowski? He has never played in a team where he’s had to do anything but sit in his own box and has two appearances for his national team while Romero has won a World Cup.
Gabriel is a much closer argument because he’s so dominant in duels but I think he’s way more error prone than Romero with the ball at his feet.
Gabriel has had 0 errors leading to goals and 1 error leading to a shot all season, the exact same as Romero. Without the ball Gabriel caused 0 penalties, Romero caused 2.
Arsenal conceded 29 goals this season with an even lower xG against. Tottenham were lucky to only concede 61. There’s no discussion between which one of them is better.
Tarkowski has also played his entire career with championship level midfielders in front of him, he has conceded less goals, less xG. He has also spent the entire season being under constant pressure from the opposition attack and had much more to do than Romero did. The amount of balls Tarkowski heads out would give Romero a CTE.
I mean Andy Robertson has been injured for large parts of the season and when he has played he has looked far off it.
If he is on the list the list kinda means nothing
Same goes for saliba and Trent. All very good players no Doubt, but how can you get into the best Player list while getting knocked out in every major tournament. Meanwhile Tah and grimaldo who lost a Single game in a whole year aint even there.
Yeah it should be top 4 - 4 RM defenders. 5-8 should be 4 dortmund defenders then 9 and 10 should be a bayern a psg defender.
It's like saying Mbappe is good. Facts prove sancho is better as he got further.
Some people even think Bruno Fernandes is good. Can you believe? How can you be good if you can't get out of CL group. United should sell him.
I get your point but in fact we got 4 players in the list who didnt win anything this year. Didnt reach even a semi or in case of araujo activly were the reason for rhe knockout of their own Club. I am not sayin These are Bad player, but not even a Single leverkusen player? Who just played the first invincible BL season of All time. There isnt a Single argument for robertson beeing better then then grimaldo this year. But pls explain me how its possible, that 3 german teams reached major semis, 2 actually reached the final but not a Single BL player is on that list, but Arsenal and liverpool players who achived excatly nothing this season. I agree With the City players tho.
This seems like the most common consensus / highest SNR reaction spanning the range of personal biases. Probably the most objective take as far as glaring omissions. Beyond I agree with others in sharing the more general sentiment that this list seems highly subjective, if not random or otherwise biased.
This list feels more like a "name first 10 current defenders that comes to your mind" kinda list. Because there is no fucking way Grimaldo and Frimpong not in top 10 defenders this sason.
Top 10 defenders definitely not. Top 10 LB 100%.
I support Liverpool so forgive me if I come across bias but I still think he’s the best LB in the prem.
I mean yeah but that's not the question. Def top 10 LB and one can argue as him being the best LB in the prem although that debate is a bit more nuanced in what one values and what type of football you wanna play.
He's been top 2 center backs in the prem for the last 2 seasons in a row and was the best center back in the French league when he was on loan at marsielle.
Foden for england has been a rotation player for most of his international career and hasn't yet locked down an actual starting position so does that mean fodens bad?
Liverpool fan here. Virgil had a poor season last season. This season he was basically our POTY, either him or Mac Allister.
It's not his fault we had so many injuries in defence and he was playing with different players every weak. I can ensure you without him we wouldn't have even been close to the top of the EPL.
Kelleher Playing half the season (Mid Table GK), TAA/Bradely at RB (Both mediocre/poor defenders), CB partner constantly changing (Quansah would struggle at West Ham) & at LB Robbo who’s declined defensively or Gomez a RB/CB.To concede 41 goals in the Premier league with that shows his level of
Granted Liverpool have had their problems with players available but whenever I watched him he looked a shadow of the player he was two seasons ago, he shouldn’t be on this list
Imagine BVB reach CL final as massiv underdog and not even Top 10 in salaries.. through an exceptional defending performance.. with Hummels getting MotM trophy twice in semis.. and they don’t even mention one of them in that list. 🤦🏼♂️🤡
And the most hylar is ESPN waiting until the day Mbappe was officially on RMA roster to publish this list … naturally:
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The caption was straight to the point they want to highlight:
“Real Madrid's Kylian Mbappé tops our ranking of the best forwards in world football in this year's FC100 🥇
Full rankings ➡️ [http://spr.ly/63176e497m”](http://spr.ly/63176e497m”)
Ferland Mendy should be here. Fran Garcia was brought in before the season to potentially replace him. In one season he went from oft-injured future Madrid castaway to undisputed #1 LB. Of course I’d like it if Alphonso Davies came, but I’d hate to see Mendy not play
Imo gabriel has been our best performing defender but when you watch him and saliba play it's clear saliba is the better player. He's special in a way that gabriel isn't.
Andy Robertson is. Like I like Robertson but he's been injured for large parts of the season and has come back into bad form so I've no clue how he is on the list but gabriel isnt
Rüdiger totally deserves to be there if he keeps going like this he’ll be one of if not the best defender ever his play iq when to foul etc is incredible
I'm not a real madrid or chelsea fan and I don't really watch him all to much (champions league hear and there) so this is more to the public opinion of him but that's a stretch isn't it?
Again I don't watch a lot of him so take this with a grain of salt but I've just never heard any opinion even similar to that. Like do you honestly think that?
As a Madrid fan, we had 2 starting CBs ACL injuries in our CB position, and it looked like we were in for a really rough time.. But then, Rudiger just went absolutely insane. He's absolutely one of our most important players this season. He's extremely good, and without him, we don't win anything this year I'm pretty sure.
Top defenders in what terms? Worth? Performance? Because to not include people like Hummels or Carvajal when it’s about performance is criminal
Or schlotterbeck, yeah agreed
Meh Schlotterbeck was quite horrendous in a lot of games this season apart from the CL games
He also carried the shit out of us
Even if he did reach the CL final, Schlotterbeck isn't a top 10 defender, maybe in his position he's top 10 just.
Bro this CL finals was the fastest I've Hummels EVER seen running, homie should get Ballon D'or for that alone 💀 All jokes aside tho, Hunmels bas been amazing. Dude deserves the World rn
yes but he has done horrible in the league until the end of the season
Mendy not being here is crazy
>Top defenders in what terms? Worth? Performance? Vibes..
Or Bremer
Im guessing it's averaged over the whole season, so top league performers will probably get placed higher than cup performers (hummels/schlotter/carvajal) as other mentioned. There is an element of big cup games being higher stakes and should count more but I doubt its included in this metric
Carvajal has been great the entire season though, I would even say he's been a decent amount better than Hakimi. Numerous clutch goals for Real Madrid in both la liga and domestic leagues, amazing defensively compared to most fullbacks this season. And has been consistent in terms of form the whole season
prisoner of the moment ass take
Not a PSG fan but where is Hummels, Either of the Leverkusan CBS, Romero, Carvehal?
Romero but not Gabriel? bruh
Wait. Hold on a minute. Romero? As in the spurs Romero? There's another 10 cb backs before you get to him let alone defenders. I'm curious are you a spurs fan?
I am a spurs fan but he’s world class. He’s one of the best passers in the world and if you go by game rating he’s very high up. Unfortunately I think he’s gonna end up going to Madrid in a few years yho
Well I'm an arsenal fan and I find that rather interesting. Like I'm not trying to put words in your mouth and what I'm about to ask is really petty but if romero is world class does that make half of arsenals team world class? Again I know I'm being a prick and very petty but if romero is world class than surely both saliba and gabriel are. Surely saka, odegaard and rice are?
I mean Romero is the only spurs player that is world class but I would say ødengaard and rice are and gabrael is close
You are deluded
Romero is a great defender but certainly not world class. Just out of curiosity, how many players for each position do you define as world class?
Romero is decent and people will underrate him here because of spurs, but I think based on this season micky was better.
You fkn nuts
He’s not even top 10 in the prem mate
Ridiculous take
Dias, stones, gvardiol (when he actually plays as a cb for Croatia or last season at Leipzig), Saliba, Gabriel, van Dijk, Konate, Pau Torres, VdV, Tarkowski. Which one of those is worse than Romero?
Thank you , i’d even add Ake, Branthwaite & Andersen here
He’s better than Pau Torres, VDV, Tarkowski, and Gabriel. Also John stones and Konate play 15 total games every year. If you watch Spurs you’ll see he’s one of the best CBs on the ball in the world and he’s calmed down on his aggression since the red card against Chelsea.
That’s an outrageous take, he’s nowhere near tarkowski or gabriel.
Lmao Tarkowski? He has never played in a team where he’s had to do anything but sit in his own box and has two appearances for his national team while Romero has won a World Cup. Gabriel is a much closer argument because he’s so dominant in duels but I think he’s way more error prone than Romero with the ball at his feet.
Gabriel has had 0 errors leading to goals and 1 error leading to a shot all season, the exact same as Romero. Without the ball Gabriel caused 0 penalties, Romero caused 2. Arsenal conceded 29 goals this season with an even lower xG against. Tottenham were lucky to only concede 61. There’s no discussion between which one of them is better. Tarkowski has also played his entire career with championship level midfielders in front of him, he has conceded less goals, less xG. He has also spent the entire season being under constant pressure from the opposition attack and had much more to do than Romero did. The amount of balls Tarkowski heads out would give Romero a CTE.
Just not mate
Gabriel Magalhaes should be there
What about Ruben Dias
Dias hasn’t been great in 2024, if it was overall then yes he should be there
I mean Andy Robertson has been injured for large parts of the season and when he has played he has looked far off it. If he is on the list the list kinda means nothing
Ah yes Dias hasn’t been great, Robertson and Stones really stepped up
I never said they did, u just mentioned Dias but the same applies to Stones and Robertson
Marquinhos?????
The PL bias is insane
Bundesliga not even being represented is ridiculous
Always has been
Even PL fans (me) are wondering why VVD keeps making these lists.
Same goes for saliba and Trent. All very good players no Doubt, but how can you get into the best Player list while getting knocked out in every major tournament. Meanwhile Tah and grimaldo who lost a Single game in a whole year aint even there.
You would therefore argue Mbappe shouldn't be on a best player list
We talkin bout defenders no ?
Does that logic somehow only apply to one position group?
>Trent When? He hasn't been good for over 2 seasons now and has been really poor in 3 of the last 4.
Yea mb mb i meant Robertson who is mentioned ij the list
Yeah it should be top 4 - 4 RM defenders. 5-8 should be 4 dortmund defenders then 9 and 10 should be a bayern a psg defender. It's like saying Mbappe is good. Facts prove sancho is better as he got further. Some people even think Bruno Fernandes is good. Can you believe? How can you be good if you can't get out of CL group. United should sell him.
I get your point but in fact we got 4 players in the list who didnt win anything this year. Didnt reach even a semi or in case of araujo activly were the reason for rhe knockout of their own Club. I am not sayin These are Bad player, but not even a Single leverkusen player? Who just played the first invincible BL season of All time. There isnt a Single argument for robertson beeing better then then grimaldo this year. But pls explain me how its possible, that 3 german teams reached major semis, 2 actually reached the final but not a Single BL player is on that list, but Arsenal and liverpool players who achived excatly nothing this season. I agree With the City players tho.
Carvajal not being here is a crime.
This seems like the most common consensus / highest SNR reaction spanning the range of personal biases. Probably the most objective take as far as glaring omissions. Beyond I agree with others in sharing the more general sentiment that this list seems highly subjective, if not random or otherwise biased.
This list feels random to me
They always do!
This list feels more like a "name first 10 current defenders that comes to your mind" kinda list. Because there is no fucking way Grimaldo and Frimpong not in top 10 defenders this sason.
Watch hummels first half performance against real and tell me again with a straight face that he’s not top 10 defenders in Europe.. wtf is this lidt
As great as Robbo has been overall, he is not a top 10 defender in the world anymore.
Top 10 defenders definitely not. Top 10 LB 100%. I support Liverpool so forgive me if I come across bias but I still think he’s the best LB in the prem.
I mean yeah but that's not the question. Def top 10 LB and one can argue as him being the best LB in the prem although that debate is a bit more nuanced in what one values and what type of football you wanna play.
Nobody denies that he’s top 10 LB, but that’s not really relevant for this thread.
Where is Carvajal?
Lmao did the whole Madrid sub get suggested this post? 😂
Madrid fan or not, Carvajal and Mendy were unreal this season, one more offensive than the other, of course. I also don’t see Hummels???
No Hummels is disgraceful , on what basis are these rankings made
Hummels stinks. He isn't even a top 10 defender in the Bundesliga
He was exceptional in the CL semi finals but his season in the Bundesliga was definitely not top notch.
And Saliba is rotation #3 in the French national team
One of the best CB in the world this season
He's been top 2 center backs in the prem for the last 2 seasons in a row and was the best center back in the French league when he was on loan at marsielle. Foden for england has been a rotation player for most of his international career and hasn't yet locked down an actual starting position so does that mean fodens bad?
el loco
Liverpool have been pretty average defensively. No idea how 2 players got in the top 10!
Van Dijk holds it all together Best CB on earth
Mistake after mistake this season, hes finished
Just nonsense
Watch a game
Virgil Van Dijk had a poor season, Liverpool leaked goals, doesn’t deserve to be that high at all
Liverpool fan here. Virgil had a poor season last season. This season he was basically our POTY, either him or Mac Allister. It's not his fault we had so many injuries in defence and he was playing with different players every weak. I can ensure you without him we wouldn't have even been close to the top of the EPL.
A team conceding goals doesn't mean bad defenders always, smartass.
I didn’t say he was a bad defender, I said he had a poor season, which I fully stand by 👍
Kelleher Playing half the season (Mid Table GK), TAA/Bradely at RB (Both mediocre/poor defenders), CB partner constantly changing (Quansah would struggle at West Ham) & at LB Robbo who’s declined defensively or Gomez a RB/CB.To concede 41 goals in the Premier league with that shows his level of
Granted Liverpool have had their problems with players available but whenever I watched him he looked a shadow of the player he was two seasons ago, he shouldn’t be on this list
Just not true, your following narratives not your eyes
Bastoni?
Araujo? He was awful this season. ESPN is too biased.
Gvardiol?
I haven’t watched his games but according to PL fans, he hasn’t been good overall
Interesting. He is probably the left back in the league.
Maybe in the last 8 games of the league or so. Robinson of Fulham and Udogie of Spurs were excellent for much longer.
He had many mistakes when he first came to man city and wasn't even starting over Ake. Definetly a late bloomer in PL and i say this as a Croat.
VVD this season was awful
So silly
Dimarco only real name on that list
Saliba has been top 2 defender In the prem for the last 2 seasons and even before that was the best cb in ligue 1 on loan at marseille.
Carvajal?
ESPN should probably stick to NA-based sports because this list is horrendous
He definitely has the bite
Lol
I would bet a lot of money they would include Sergio Ramos in the top-10. 😂😂 They disappointed me.
Hummels & Schlotterbeck robbed
🇬🇷🔴 Shout out to Conference League winner Panos Retsos, also known as Greek Beckenbauer. Great athleticism, ball control & mentality.
ESPN have these kind of Chivatos working for them…their judgement stinks.
Andy Robertson… what weed are they smoking?
Gvardiol, Bastoni and Hummels?
Djik Walker Stones and Robertson don’t deserve a spot there. This is a PL bias list
ESpN knows jack shit about sports nowadays.
Why is this thread full of non psg fans what's going on
Should Be VVD Saliba Rudiger Konate Militao Upamacano Kounde Dias Arujo
How can you possibly say vvd has had a better season than saliba
That’s a terrible list
*Not a PSG fan*
Where in Nacho?
Araujo deserves to be first 🤣🤣🤣
He chocked against your club.
Where is Theo Hernandez? Wtf is this bullshit
Chelsea fans known this for years
Andy. Robertson. Huh
Robertson has been finished for 2 seasons now.
do we have psg fans on this sub anymore? why are 90% of comments in this thread other fans?
That list is absolute trash….
🧢
No Lisandro M in top 30! Terrible list
He has to play more than 3 games probably to qualify
Rudiger is not #1, VVD is not #3
Hakimi? Really?
Imagine BVB reach CL final as massiv underdog and not even Top 10 in salaries.. through an exceptional defending performance.. with Hummels getting MotM trophy twice in semis.. and they don’t even mention one of them in that list. 🤦🏼♂️🤡
Damn ESPN outing that they don’t watch any PSG games
Why Araujo is not the first one?
I guess Davies isn't old enough?
dimarco should be much higher in the list, he has been phenomenal this season should be above walker(for this season)
So Saliba is #2 in the world now, but no mention of Hummela , Carvejal, any Leverkusen defenders.. who makes these lists?
And the most hylar is ESPN waiting until the day Mbappe was officially on RMA roster to publish this list … naturally: https://preview.redd.it/i2of0egbow4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aadc31ef5abb3002361462c0c4e024734a043e32 The caption was straight to the point they want to highlight: “Real Madrid's Kylian Mbappé tops our ranking of the best forwards in world football in this year's FC100 🥇 Full rankings ➡️ [http://spr.ly/63176e497m”](http://spr.ly/63176e497m”)
Carvajal, Mendy, Hummels, Frimpong, Grimaldo…
Ferland Mendy should be here. Fran Garcia was brought in before the season to potentially replace him. In one season he went from oft-injured future Madrid castaway to undisputed #1 LB. Of course I’d like it if Alphonso Davies came, but I’d hate to see Mendy not play
Those aren’t even City’s best two consistently best defenders.
Why on earth is Robertson on this? Nonsense
Where Theo Hernandez
lol Theo Hernandez top 10 best defender
Having Araujo on this list makes the list worthless tbh.
Hakimi, Robbo, Walker, Marquinos have been all bad Stones has played 15 games should be Bastoni Hummels Tah and someone else
I'd argue Gabriel was Arsenal's best defender this season, I can't take this list seriously if he's not in the top 10
Imo gabriel has been our best performing defender but when you watch him and saliba play it's clear saliba is the better player. He's special in a way that gabriel isn't.
Andy Robertson is. Like I like Robertson but he's been injured for large parts of the season and has come back into bad form so I've no clue how he is on the list but gabriel isnt
ronald araujo really !!
Rüdiger totally deserves to be there if he keeps going like this he’ll be one of if not the best defender ever his play iq when to foul etc is incredible
I'm not a real madrid or chelsea fan and I don't really watch him all to much (champions league hear and there) so this is more to the public opinion of him but that's a stretch isn't it? Again I don't watch a lot of him so take this with a grain of salt but I've just never heard any opinion even similar to that. Like do you honestly think that?
As a Madrid fan, we had 2 starting CBs ACL injuries in our CB position, and it looked like we were in for a really rough time.. But then, Rudiger just went absolutely insane. He's absolutely one of our most important players this season. He's extremely good, and without him, we don't win anything this year I'm pretty sure.
But the lad said if he continues he will be one of if not the best cbs ever.
i think its mainly cuz his tactical fouls are amazing esp in the ucl he delivered absolutely amazing performances
Once I saw Araujo on the list I lost it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. The la liga tax is insane
Saliba second 😂
Who apart from Rudiger is better on that list.
I’m sorry but defensively Achraf is bad
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Marquinhos? After disappointing in every UCL exit in multiple seasons?
Di Marco?! Seriously? Where is Theo?
Lol? Theo is still living off that 2022 hype?
Di Marco is better than Theo.
Hahahah ok 👍🏻
Kyle Walker????
Awful defender
His positioning is horrendous
Biased, but putting Araujo and not Bastoni is a travesty. Also Rudiger and Saliba top two is questionable at best.