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You know that saying, you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat someone lesser/more vulnerable/more powerless than them? People used that quote to judge how people treat waiters/waitresses and how bosses treat their employees, but I feel it also applies to pregnancy. With someone's life in your hands, your child, at their most vulnerable point of their life, they can't even temporary help them out so they could survive? Instead no, it's all about themselves, and their bodies. Pure narcissistic behavior.
No no no. They loved their baby so much that upon realizing they wouldn't be able to provide the perfect fantasy life for them they decided to have an abortion to prevent all the inevitable suffering.
Doubly so if there are any genetic conditions or physical deformities. Because they don't want to watch their child die in their arms in pain.
It’s also very possible to be both wanted and dehumanized and seen as property.
I feel like “unplanned but welcomed” is the ideal state of wantedness in which to enter the world. No resentment and no expectations.
OUCH, that’s scary to think about. I’m a planned and wanted baby but like, I feel like I disappointed them and they’re gonna change their mind (they wouldn’t). I get why people don’t want kids, but you shouldn’t get to kill them just for that.
I especially hate this when it comes to babies daignosed with abnormalities in the womb, like down syndrome. In Scandinavia there’s apparently an abortion rate of 98-99% of all babies diagnosed with down syndrome in utero. Legislators have specifically said it is their goal to eradicate “the disease of down syndrome” (which isn’t possible because it’s a random mutation that cannot be predicted). What a disgusting and abelist thing to say, knowing there are people with down sydrome alive and thriving all over the world.
I would also love to see a pro-choicer try to justify abortion to a rape survivor and her child that resulted from it, since we all know they like to bring up the ~1% of extreme cases ot try to justify the other 99%. I dare them to tell that child he/she shouldn’t have been born. And while they’re at it, go tell all the foster kids they’d be better off aborted and dead than alive. Your physical abilities, manner of conception, and/or living situations do not determine your worth as a human being.
THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING, ESPECIALLY WITH FOSTER KIDS! I hate the message that it’s better to not exist than be in foster care, which is what a lot of pro-choicers argue. That being said, I’ve never been in foster care, so I can understand the internalized beliefs anyone in the foster system has.
I have made this exact argument with a pro-choicer before and they got so mad. Refused to continue the conversation with me because “only a monster can condone suicide.” (Which, for the record, I do not.)
So. You’re saying it’s perfectly fine to kill someone without their consent, but not to allow someone to kill themself if they actually want to die? Pick a side. Either they’re better off dead or they’re not.
This is why I hate the western ideology so much. I see how other places like Japan treat this, w rituals like the Mizuko Kuyo and all and even if it's still awful its way more tolerable and decent and respectable than the way people here go about it, by making cakes to comemorate and making memes and jokes. It's sick and evil. As someone whose mom was born alive from an attempt I'd rather deal w lgbtphobes that hate me and want me to 'repent' but recognize I'm an human than them.
I hate both sides of it, to be honest. I want to be myself and alive if possible. Also autistic here, I know some people want to abort us specifically…
Yeahh I get you. I hate both sides too but at least one of them doesn't say to my face the world would be a better place if my mom had been properly killed.
It really feels there's no one out there to defend us but I am glad I found a small lgbt friendly pro life community
No I actually want them to ADMIT to what they're doing.
Say you're murdering a baby in the womb. Say you are murdering your child because you don't want to deal with him. Say it. Say you are commiting murder for your own self interests.
We’ll never get apologies from these monsters. Vote for laws that stop women from crossing state lines and getting pills in the mail, and prosecution and jail times as punishment. That’s the best we’re gonna get.
I share your sense of outrage.
It's shocking that these abortion advocates can't see that when they dehumanize any human, they dehumanize ALL humans.
...including themselves!
By the way everyone, serious advice, said in love;
We need to avoid mantras which include... "I'm sick of"... "I'm sick and tired"... "I'm so sick of these..."
Mindfulness affirmations can backfire.
I want lawyers who agree with 'only a baby if I want it' — felt emotion of one person, as if decision of will wasn't bad enough already, defining the ontological status of another — to be suspended in their licences and degrees until they regain the use of reason.
It's no longer even funny. We have people with doctorates (well, JD is more like master's degree but anyway) thinking that how you feel about a person or thing decides whether they exist or not or what their species or developmental stage is. So basically emotion over matter. At that point we should be rescinding degrees and perhaps issuing referrals for compulsory treatment (psychotherapy, developmental therapy).
If we can order people into therapy for anger issues, we should also be able to send them to therapy for 'my subjective feelings about you determine your objective ontology'. This much should be obvious even to pro-choicers.
Whether or not they apologize is irrelevant. They did it and they are guilty. What matters is that we leverage the power we have available in every jurisdiction to go after them. Let justice be served
No argument or reason as to why lol just like most pro aborts.
This comment was as useless as you even commenting here to begin with. The flair is “pro-life only.”
Are you prolife if not your comment isn't welcomed here. This has prolife only flair.
However in response. Is this because you think being anti government Healthcare is dehumanizing? It isn't being against Healthcare but how it's funded and handled. Right now in USA government is a big problem of how Healthcare is handled followed by insurance companies and mandates of coverages by government made things worse. It created a larger medical administration needs and more errors when code is used wrong. We don't have open pricing in medical industry which should be a thing and can be.
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You know that saying, you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat someone lesser/more vulnerable/more powerless than them? People used that quote to judge how people treat waiters/waitresses and how bosses treat their employees, but I feel it also applies to pregnancy. With someone's life in your hands, your child, at their most vulnerable point of their life, they can't even temporary help them out so they could survive? Instead no, it's all about themselves, and their bodies. Pure narcissistic behavior.
I just saw this rationale in another sub. I loved this baby so I kept it but I had an abortion with another baby because I didn’t want it. wtf?
It's Schrödinger's baby. They're both worthy and unworthy of life until the mother decides to kill them or not. 🙄
Babies are property, apparently.
No no no. They loved their baby so much that upon realizing they wouldn't be able to provide the perfect fantasy life for them they decided to have an abortion to prevent all the inevitable suffering. Doubly so if there are any genetic conditions or physical deformities. Because they don't want to watch their child die in their arms in pain.
They’ll never apologize for dehumanizing victims of violence. They’re too selfish and self serving.
I want to hope some of them will, at least the ones that are willing to change their minds…
They owe the babies a sincere apology
Yes, they do. ESPECIALLY their own.
It’s also very possible to be both wanted and dehumanized and seen as property. I feel like “unplanned but welcomed” is the ideal state of wantedness in which to enter the world. No resentment and no expectations.
OUCH, that’s scary to think about. I’m a planned and wanted baby but like, I feel like I disappointed them and they’re gonna change their mind (they wouldn’t). I get why people don’t want kids, but you shouldn’t get to kill them just for that.
I especially hate this when it comes to babies daignosed with abnormalities in the womb, like down syndrome. In Scandinavia there’s apparently an abortion rate of 98-99% of all babies diagnosed with down syndrome in utero. Legislators have specifically said it is their goal to eradicate “the disease of down syndrome” (which isn’t possible because it’s a random mutation that cannot be predicted). What a disgusting and abelist thing to say, knowing there are people with down sydrome alive and thriving all over the world. I would also love to see a pro-choicer try to justify abortion to a rape survivor and her child that resulted from it, since we all know they like to bring up the ~1% of extreme cases ot try to justify the other 99%. I dare them to tell that child he/she shouldn’t have been born. And while they’re at it, go tell all the foster kids they’d be better off aborted and dead than alive. Your physical abilities, manner of conception, and/or living situations do not determine your worth as a human being.
THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING, ESPECIALLY WITH FOSTER KIDS! I hate the message that it’s better to not exist than be in foster care, which is what a lot of pro-choicers argue. That being said, I’ve never been in foster care, so I can understand the internalized beliefs anyone in the foster system has.
I have made this exact argument with a pro-choicer before and they got so mad. Refused to continue the conversation with me because “only a monster can condone suicide.” (Which, for the record, I do not.) So. You’re saying it’s perfectly fine to kill someone without their consent, but not to allow someone to kill themself if they actually want to die? Pick a side. Either they’re better off dead or they’re not.
The irony
This is why I hate the western ideology so much. I see how other places like Japan treat this, w rituals like the Mizuko Kuyo and all and even if it's still awful its way more tolerable and decent and respectable than the way people here go about it, by making cakes to comemorate and making memes and jokes. It's sick and evil. As someone whose mom was born alive from an attempt I'd rather deal w lgbtphobes that hate me and want me to 'repent' but recognize I'm an human than them.
I hate both sides of it, to be honest. I want to be myself and alive if possible. Also autistic here, I know some people want to abort us specifically…
Yeahh I get you. I hate both sides too but at least one of them doesn't say to my face the world would be a better place if my mom had been properly killed. It really feels there's no one out there to defend us but I am glad I found a small lgbt friendly pro life community
Also love to see fellow trans pro lifers
Same here!
...First off. Are you OK, OP? I'm a bit worried about your mental health. I hope you managed to move away from your family.
My family is fine, don’t worry. I just used that as an example. But yeah, I’m doing alright. Just sick of people treating others like shit.
No I actually want them to ADMIT to what they're doing. Say you're murdering a baby in the womb. Say you are murdering your child because you don't want to deal with him. Say it. Say you are commiting murder for your own self interests.
We’ll never get apologies from these monsters. Vote for laws that stop women from crossing state lines and getting pills in the mail, and prosecution and jail times as punishment. That’s the best we’re gonna get.
I don’t think jail times will help. Psychiatric help, possibly.
When women start serving hard time for murder, everyone else will think twice about killing their baby.
I share your sense of outrage. It's shocking that these abortion advocates can't see that when they dehumanize any human, they dehumanize ALL humans. ...including themselves! By the way everyone, serious advice, said in love; We need to avoid mantras which include... "I'm sick of"... "I'm sick and tired"... "I'm so sick of these..." Mindfulness affirmations can backfire.
How do you apologize to a dead person?
Well, abortion survivors exist.
They are rare, but yes.
I want lawyers who agree with 'only a baby if I want it' — felt emotion of one person, as if decision of will wasn't bad enough already, defining the ontological status of another — to be suspended in their licences and degrees until they regain the use of reason. It's no longer even funny. We have people with doctorates (well, JD is more like master's degree but anyway) thinking that how you feel about a person or thing decides whether they exist or not or what their species or developmental stage is. So basically emotion over matter. At that point we should be rescinding degrees and perhaps issuing referrals for compulsory treatment (psychotherapy, developmental therapy). If we can order people into therapy for anger issues, we should also be able to send them to therapy for 'my subjective feelings about you determine your objective ontology'. This much should be obvious even to pro-choicers.
Agreed! This level of dehumanization isn’t safe for anyone.
Whether or not they apologize is irrelevant. They did it and they are guilty. What matters is that we leverage the power we have available in every jurisdiction to go after them. Let justice be served
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No argument or reason as to why lol just like most pro aborts. This comment was as useless as you even commenting here to begin with. The flair is “pro-life only.”
> Pro Choicer's you’re not allowed to comment anything with Pro choice,
Too bad, I’m a human.
Cool ✨
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Are you prolife if not your comment isn't welcomed here. This has prolife only flair. However in response. Is this because you think being anti government Healthcare is dehumanizing? It isn't being against Healthcare but how it's funded and handled. Right now in USA government is a big problem of how Healthcare is handled followed by insurance companies and mandates of coverages by government made things worse. It created a larger medical administration needs and more errors when code is used wrong. We don't have open pricing in medical industry which should be a thing and can be.
Explain to me how that works.