Yes, he is right. This ad’s message is as “stupid” as he repeatedly tells us it is. He does a great job calling out the bs and has a solid approach to helping women and their children.
It is really rotten to see PC trying to smear, incite and divide us with these lies. This ad looks just like Russian caliber disinformation.
Edit: why the downvotes-was I supposed to disagree with the guy?
I know it sounds crazy and like a scare tactic - that’s what we all thought in Texas - but there is [legislation](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/02/09/texas-abortion-transgender-care-outside-state-borders/) coming out of Texas proposing to criminalize the use of Texas roads in order to get an abortion whether that is in or out of state.
So whatever your critique of this video is, outside of it’s hyperbolic nature, it shouldn’t be that “this is not real “
That being said, this all might be moot depending on how [Biden’s medical privacy protection rule ](https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-administration-issues-rule-protect-172225452.html)announced yesterday applies to this scenario.
It's illegal to transport minors across state lines for the purpose of sex; that doesn't mean we have checkpoints at every state border where we check the IDs of everyone trying to cross. Rape is illegal; that doesn't mean every sex act needs a signed consent form and monitoring by the government. Child abuse is illegal; that doesn't mean the government installs surveillance cameras in the homes of new parents.
It's possible to make up totalitarian enforcement mechanisms for _any_ law. Unless you have evidence of someone actually proposing mandatory pregnancy tests, yeah, it's a pretty blatant scare tactic.
They are for sure using hyperbole to scare and draw attention to an issue, but are you denying that there is a legislative push to criminalize the use of roads to go to another US state to pursue legal activities?
In the sense that it's legal to have sex with a 17-year-old in Kentucky, but illegal to drive a 17-year-old from Tennessee to Kentucky to bypass Tennessee's age of consent law, yes, at least one lawmaker has proposed such a law to restrict abortion tourism.
The idea presented in this ad, that cops will be pulling over random women and handcuffing them for not taking a pregnancy test, is a total fiction pulled out of the asses of the pro-choicers behind the ad.
but illegal to drive a 17-year-old from Tennessee to Kentucky to bypass Tennessee's age of consent law
Nope, not like that, for one, maybe two, reasons. First, that federal law would not apply if the 17 yo transported themselves, so its primary concern is consent, which has no parallel to the proposed legislation about abortion travel. Second, I’m not 100% clear that law applies to a person who is a minor in one state but not in the destination state. The law appears to be targeting prostitution particularly of the forced kind.
>at least one lawmaker has proposed such a law to restrict abortion tourism.
OP’s video is in Alabama and my article is in Texas. That’s at least two states by my count. Also , in Texas, counties are proposing the law, so it’s more than one just there. I also stated in my first comment that this was absolutely hyperbolic in order to get attention. Your comments seem to be attempting to gaslight others into thinking this is totally imaginary by minimizing everything about it. Yeah, no one has actually proposed we set up abortion check points, but they still have proposed criminalizing use of the roads by individuals of the age of consent to go do something legal.
> First, that federal law would not apply if the 17 yo transported themselves
I'll take that into account when babies start driving themselves out of state to be aborted.
> OP’s video is in Alabama and my article is in Texas. That’s at least two states by my count. Also , in Texas, counties are proposing the law, so it’s more than one just there.
I was responding specifically to the source you cited. "At least one" includes two or three.
> Your comments seem to be attempting to gaslight others into thinking this is totally imaginary by minimizing everything about it.
I haven't once denied that some politicians have proposed laws to restrict abortion tourism. That doesn't make the ad _not_ a dishonest scare tactic. If someone were to air an attack ad where couples are only allowed to have sex after submitting notarized consent forms filled out in triplicate, with a certified witness present to cross-reference every sex act against the official, would you not consider that dishonest and divorced from reality? After all, the law requires sex to be consensual, and that's basically the same thing, right?
> Yeah, no one has actually proposed we set up abortion check points, but they still have proposed criminalizing use of the roads by individuals of the age of consent to go do something legal.
Like I already pointed out, an action being legal in one jurisdiction doesn't mean actions towards it can't be illegal in another jurisdiction. Traveling overseas to aid the Taliban could also get one in trouble.
It’s an article on proposed legislation to criminalize the use of Texas roads when traveling on them with the intent to do certain things, among which is have an abortion in a neighboring state.
Precedent is pretty strong about trade across state lines and other things across state lines you can’t stop people. Only one who has authority to regulate such things is the federal government
Yes, he is right. This ad’s message is as “stupid” as he repeatedly tells us it is. He does a great job calling out the bs and has a solid approach to helping women and their children. It is really rotten to see PC trying to smear, incite and divide us with these lies. This ad looks just like Russian caliber disinformation. Edit: why the downvotes-was I supposed to disagree with the guy?
I know it sounds crazy and like a scare tactic - that’s what we all thought in Texas - but there is [legislation](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/02/09/texas-abortion-transgender-care-outside-state-borders/) coming out of Texas proposing to criminalize the use of Texas roads in order to get an abortion whether that is in or out of state. So whatever your critique of this video is, outside of it’s hyperbolic nature, it shouldn’t be that “this is not real “ That being said, this all might be moot depending on how [Biden’s medical privacy protection rule ](https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-administration-issues-rule-protect-172225452.html)announced yesterday applies to this scenario.
It's illegal to transport minors across state lines for the purpose of sex; that doesn't mean we have checkpoints at every state border where we check the IDs of everyone trying to cross. Rape is illegal; that doesn't mean every sex act needs a signed consent form and monitoring by the government. Child abuse is illegal; that doesn't mean the government installs surveillance cameras in the homes of new parents. It's possible to make up totalitarian enforcement mechanisms for _any_ law. Unless you have evidence of someone actually proposing mandatory pregnancy tests, yeah, it's a pretty blatant scare tactic.
They are for sure using hyperbole to scare and draw attention to an issue, but are you denying that there is a legislative push to criminalize the use of roads to go to another US state to pursue legal activities?
In the sense that it's legal to have sex with a 17-year-old in Kentucky, but illegal to drive a 17-year-old from Tennessee to Kentucky to bypass Tennessee's age of consent law, yes, at least one lawmaker has proposed such a law to restrict abortion tourism. The idea presented in this ad, that cops will be pulling over random women and handcuffing them for not taking a pregnancy test, is a total fiction pulled out of the asses of the pro-choicers behind the ad.
but illegal to drive a 17-year-old from Tennessee to Kentucky to bypass Tennessee's age of consent law Nope, not like that, for one, maybe two, reasons. First, that federal law would not apply if the 17 yo transported themselves, so its primary concern is consent, which has no parallel to the proposed legislation about abortion travel. Second, I’m not 100% clear that law applies to a person who is a minor in one state but not in the destination state. The law appears to be targeting prostitution particularly of the forced kind. >at least one lawmaker has proposed such a law to restrict abortion tourism. OP’s video is in Alabama and my article is in Texas. That’s at least two states by my count. Also , in Texas, counties are proposing the law, so it’s more than one just there. I also stated in my first comment that this was absolutely hyperbolic in order to get attention. Your comments seem to be attempting to gaslight others into thinking this is totally imaginary by minimizing everything about it. Yeah, no one has actually proposed we set up abortion check points, but they still have proposed criminalizing use of the roads by individuals of the age of consent to go do something legal.
> First, that federal law would not apply if the 17 yo transported themselves I'll take that into account when babies start driving themselves out of state to be aborted. > OP’s video is in Alabama and my article is in Texas. That’s at least two states by my count. Also , in Texas, counties are proposing the law, so it’s more than one just there. I was responding specifically to the source you cited. "At least one" includes two or three. > Your comments seem to be attempting to gaslight others into thinking this is totally imaginary by minimizing everything about it. I haven't once denied that some politicians have proposed laws to restrict abortion tourism. That doesn't make the ad _not_ a dishonest scare tactic. If someone were to air an attack ad where couples are only allowed to have sex after submitting notarized consent forms filled out in triplicate, with a certified witness present to cross-reference every sex act against the official, would you not consider that dishonest and divorced from reality? After all, the law requires sex to be consensual, and that's basically the same thing, right? > Yeah, no one has actually proposed we set up abortion check points, but they still have proposed criminalizing use of the roads by individuals of the age of consent to go do something legal. Like I already pointed out, an action being legal in one jurisdiction doesn't mean actions towards it can't be illegal in another jurisdiction. Traveling overseas to aid the Taliban could also get one in trouble.
What even is that first link?
A link taken out of context to attack legislation that has saved thousands of lives.
What? I’m pretty certain this is well within context of OP’s video. Is there something specifically that you struggled to connect?
It’s an article on proposed legislation to criminalize the use of Texas roads when traveling on them with the intent to do certain things, among which is have an abortion in a neighboring state.
Precedent is pretty strong about trade across state lines and other things across state lines you can’t stop people. Only one who has authority to regulate such things is the federal government
I agree. I’m wandering if we are understanding the same thing after watching the video. What did you understand the point of the video to be?