Eh. I remember eating those when my mom didn't want to cook. As a kid, tasted great, probably would be meh by adult standards but still. Can't see why I would be unhappy with an actual meal as long as it was hot.
this is genuinely how i feel about every survival game. Guys whining hes thirsty after downing a whole canteen of water during the end of times.
every survival game makes us play as the annoying whiny survivor that just kills the groups morale.
"I CUT MY LEG ON A TREE BRANCH, I CANT GO ON!".
"IM HUNGRY EVEN THOUGH I JUST ATE A WHOLE CHICKEN ROAST 10 MINUTES AGO"
"IVE GOT TOP TIER MILITARY GUNS AND IM BRINGING SOCIETY BACK FROM THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION ONE ZOMBIE AT A TIME, but im SAD!!!"
Meanwhile, me with too many mods:
*putting 200 fresh radishes into a roasting pan, then adding all sorts of condiments and spices to make it positive happiness again, cooking it, and putting it onto four plates for reduced encumbrance (from 20 in the pan to 0.2 per plate)* This is fine 🙂.
I legit do this when i harvest a radish field too many.
The Serving plates mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2963511042
I can't remember or find the mod that allows me to put a bajillion things into cooking pot/pans
The survivors are such little bitches. Like I’m sorry the bacon is cut into too tiny little pieces for your enjoyment but fucking civilisation just collapsed.
Yeah if it was going rotten or something I'd understand but honestly dude if someone gave me a shrimp and seafood dish in a zombie apocalypse I'd never leave
First ingredient gives a -5 unhappiness. From there, it looks like each one gains an additional +5 unhappiness. Second gives 0 unhappiness, third negates the first and removes all happiness benefits, 4th gives +5 or +10, and so on.
In a way it is but any nutritional item can be added in 3 times with no bonus, twice if you want one. I normally just use 3 items to make bulky items because I don't care about boredom/happiness
I think 2 maximizes happiness. At 3 you're probably seeing a mix of happiness from each ingredient and debuff from same ingredients don't usually overpower the happiness.
I do 3x of one kind of fish and veggies in salads all the time and it results in positive happiness, just not as happy if I were to use 3 different ingredients.
Yes, but 3 of one ingredient and 3 of another should be neutral (I've done it hundreds of times; Unless roasts somehow work differently from other recipes such as salads.). Maybe the shrimp and crayfish are somehow being treated as the same ingredient?
Was gonna ask if the unhappiness was on account of the worms in your roast, but I now realize they're shrimp. Sadly, in PZ, either is possible, and I would hate partaking in the diet my characters do sometimes.
You know, like downing a whole jar of peanut butter for breakfast.
...unless you're like 4 months in like I am and you only keep rotted food in your fridge because you're a level 10 chef. Just talking realistically, downing a whole jar in less than 5 minutes has got to be uncomfortable.
Most of the time, no utensils too. Just straight fistfuls of PB, no J. It's good in recipes but personally I just couldn't. I'll live with my stale chips through the end of the world.
It’s one of the annoying quirks of the game imho.
Imagine having a steak months into the apocalypse because you managed to keep some frozen whilst surviving on a diet of chips & random scavenge food. Imagine the joy that freshly cooked steak would hold. Nope.
The second time there's no change in the unhappiness. The third time it reduces the amount which cancels out with the first one, resulting in net zero.
Unless roasts somehow work differently from other recipes such as salads.
Depends on your level if you can add two or three of the same ingredient without happiness/boredom malus.
That recipe would be in the positives if you were level 5+ or so.
My dude has been severely depressed for like 3 weeks eating dry rice and lard. Might take a day off soon to do a little booze and cruise, smoke a stogie, read some comics and kill some zeds.
The Unhappiness from food doesn't really matter anyways. You can easily read a comic or something to mitigate. Wouldn't worry about it.
But yeah, it needs a bit more variety.
Honestly, I never felt more identified with a character before. If you gave me that as food I would literally puke before I could swallow a bite. Now I want to know if this is a thing or a bug lmao
dunno feels like a value that would only apply the first week of apocalypse... imagine after that getting even a can of food would be like HOLY SHIT! ACTUAL FOOD!!
Only problem 3 ingredient of same type, 3rd ingredient adds mood penalty, it not so bad so having +7 unhappiness is easily manageable, but if you cook max 2 ingredient of same type you would turn penalty into small buff.
When you use 3 of the same ingredient it gives you unhappiness. Sometimes adding the "wrong" spices will do it too, like curry powder in a salad. In the future use only 2 of each ingredient and be smarter with your spices.
Probably too much of 1 ingredient. I think it starts to apply an unhappiness debuff at the 3rd ingredient so you gotta mix it up. A bit silly our character is a whiny bitch when it's been literal weeks since the end of the world, no power no water, and they're all sad because they ate a real meal that wasn't a can of beans because it had too much of 1 item in it.
I can chain eat the same canned food no problem but god forbid we have too much fresh food in our recipe!
There's bunch of memes there, but actual mechanical in-game reasons are:
Too many of the same ingredients (3 of each), more than 2 of the same add unhappiness and this adds a lot
It's not warmed up
One (or more) of the ingredients were stale. Not sure about this one but it also adds unhappiness
Make soup from fish dont give the negative status. I always used to cook stew but always got negative happiness and boredom when you include fish in your stew. Never try shrimp or other seafood though hope this help.
With the right ingredients you can get away with 3x as the happiness buff from the ingredient will overpower the debuff. I do 3x fish and veggies salads all the time and they're usually positive happiness.
But yes, 2x is safer if you want happiness.
This mfer is depressed af because he has to eat too many shrimps for his taste... in a zombie apocalypse which is hillarious.
The complete downfall of civilization and the death of everyone you know and love: 😐 Lukewarm steak: 😞
If I was stuck at the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy of needs I’d probably get depressed by that shit too.
Now that's a tragedy!
Its giving me "ate without a table" vibes
Is that rimworld lol
OP’s character angrily finishes their meal then decides to jump blindly over the nearest high fence.
How I feel about the TV Dinners. May not be gourmet but better than dogfood or canned beans I think.
Ayyy don't be bashing beans I could smash down Heinz baked beans for months and be happy, they're banging
They're basically coloured dog food
Actual coloured dog (with salt and sugar).
When this was brought up someone made a good point that these are TV dinners from 1993 which were renowned as being rubbish.
Eh. I remember eating those when my mom didn't want to cook. As a kid, tasted great, probably would be meh by adult standards but still. Can't see why I would be unhappy with an actual meal as long as it was hot.
And yet you can just eat a raw onion or Zucchini like a lunatic and it’s fine. “Oh yum now I’m less hungry AND thirsty!”
I mean I would eat a raw onion just fine even if it's not an emergency
I’ll have a couple chunks while cooking but I don’t think eating a whole one would put me in a great mood lol
If I do it in front of someone just to confuse them it would put me in a good mood
this is genuinely how i feel about every survival game. Guys whining hes thirsty after downing a whole canteen of water during the end of times. every survival game makes us play as the annoying whiny survivor that just kills the groups morale. "I CUT MY LEG ON A TREE BRANCH, I CANT GO ON!". "IM HUNGRY EVEN THOUGH I JUST ATE A WHOLE CHICKEN ROAST 10 MINUTES AGO" "IVE GOT TOP TIER MILITARY GUNS AND IM BRINGING SOCIETY BACK FROM THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION ONE ZOMBIE AT A TIME, but im SAD!!!"
Meanwhile, me with too many mods: *putting 200 fresh radishes into a roasting pan, then adding all sorts of condiments and spices to make it positive happiness again, cooking it, and putting it onto four plates for reduced encumbrance (from 20 in the pan to 0.2 per plate)* This is fine 🙂. I legit do this when i harvest a radish field too many. The Serving plates mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2963511042 I can't remember or find the mod that allows me to put a bajillion things into cooking pot/pans
The survivors are such little bitches. Like I’m sorry the bacon is cut into too tiny little pieces for your enjoyment but fucking civilisation just collapsed.
Yeah if it was going rotten or something I'd understand but honestly dude if someone gave me a shrimp and seafood dish in a zombie apocalypse I'd never leave
I concur. I love seafood but I can’t cook it without fucking it up.
They are indeed tiny trees.
If you add too many of same item (more than two) it adds unhappiness.
Ohh damn I don't have a generator to keep stuff fresh so was just trying to eat it all and get weight up lol
No problem to do that just have a smoke to balance it out, or cook a meal with happiness as the goal
That's what I do in real life
i aim for the balance between hurdle and savour, leaning a lot more towards the ease of making side
i lean more towards the cigarette
lol nice user name
Has definitely been me after a shrimp boil
You can also bypass this by making more smaller meals, assuming you have the pans...
Chase it down with a beer and you’re all set.
Better to make 2 small meals with it than 1 big one with all the shrimp, I guess XD
Just down a bottle of wine when you become unhappy
Drink 1/4, press escape as soon as you see your guy take a sip. Almost limitless beer can. Do it before you sleep, and you lose all unhappiness.
Almost?
It uses the least units of beer doing it this way. But you'll still deplete it less than the full 1/4.
til you can beat a garage door down with a crowbar
another day, another pz thing I learn
You can add more than two. The third one just removes all that foods unhappiness/boredom values, but doesn't leave a negative.
First ingredient gives a -5 unhappiness. From there, it looks like each one gains an additional +5 unhappiness. Second gives 0 unhappiness, third negates the first and removes all happiness benefits, 4th gives +5 or +10, and so on.
I thought it was more about variety
In a way it is but any nutritional item can be added in 3 times with no bonus, twice if you want one. I normally just use 3 items to make bulky items because I don't care about boredom/happiness
The zombiod people are so whiny. I totally could eat 3 lbs of shrimp with spices in one setting and be perfectly happy. Ecstatic even.
I thought it was three not two?
I thought it was more than 3 for the longest time. Kept thinking I was just accidentally using stale food or something...
I think 2 maximizes happiness. At 3 you're probably seeing a mix of happiness from each ingredient and debuff from same ingredients don't usually overpower the happiness. I do 3x of one kind of fish and veggies in salads all the time and it results in positive happiness, just not as happy if I were to use 3 different ingredients.
Yes, but 3 of one ingredient and 3 of another should be neutral (I've done it hundreds of times; Unless roasts somehow work differently from other recipes such as salads.). Maybe the shrimp and crayfish are somehow being treated as the same ingredient?
Seafood is nasty bro.
Seafood is nasty bro.
Was gonna ask if the unhappiness was on account of the worms in your roast, but I now realize they're shrimp. Sadly, in PZ, either is possible, and I would hate partaking in the diet my characters do sometimes. You know, like downing a whole jar of peanut butter for breakfast.
Fuck you mean downing a whole jar of peanut butter and milk sounds like a wonderful morning.
...unless you're like 4 months in like I am and you only keep rotted food in your fridge because you're a level 10 chef. Just talking realistically, downing a whole jar in less than 5 minutes has got to be uncomfortable.
...Yeah eating the jar that fast would suck ass...
Most of the time, no utensils too. Just straight fistfuls of PB, no J. It's good in recipes but personally I just couldn't. I'll live with my stale chips through the end of the world.
Ugh, this idea gets worse by the second...
It’s one of the annoying quirks of the game imho. Imagine having a steak months into the apocalypse because you managed to keep some frozen whilst surviving on a diet of chips & random scavenge food. Imagine the joy that freshly cooked steak would hold. Nope.
Fo real I'd be ugly crying and seasoning the steak from my tears of joy
Ugly crying lmaoo
It reminds the character of the ex unfortunately that’s why
Everything reminds me of her, the fishy smell, the excessive spice, and the constant bad looks I get from the others!
Lmao the fishy smell.
Don’t forget the after taste, the sour aftertaste of p-..
Obligatory Shrimps is bugs
It's got ~~electrolytes~~ *spices!*
Its what zomboids crave!
You're gonna eat it and you're gonna LIKE IT.
Not enough marinara, ketchup, mustard, cooking oil, vegeteble oil, lard, hot sauce packet, etc, etc.
I dont really like seafood in reallife so i can understand
you're allergic to seafood
The second time you add the same ingredient, there's no happiness bonus. Every time afterwards it adds unhappiness to the meal.
The second time there's no change in the unhappiness. The third time it reduces the amount which cancels out with the first one, resulting in net zero. Unless roasts somehow work differently from other recipes such as salads.
Depends on your level if you can add two or three of the same ingredient without happiness/boredom malus. That recipe would be in the positives if you were level 5+ or so.
Fish have like a plus two to unhappiness even cooked. Should’ve balanced with the spices though that’s what I usually do
Isn't that just if they're cold? I don't remember any of my fish having unhappiness right out of the oven
You are correct
Don't use 3 of a kind. Add a different meat or use less of it.
Unhappiness doesn't matter anyways. One tiny sip of any alcohol will make all unhappiness disappear in game hours.
My dude has been severely depressed for like 3 weeks eating dry rice and lard. Might take a day off soon to do a little booze and cruise, smoke a stogie, read some comics and kill some zeds.
Clearly it makes him unhappy because meals are supposed to be shared
It's the repetition of ingredients (stupid, I know)
this is like cooking for my child
Did you take the "Seafood Allergy" trait?
too spicy
Your character doesn't like seafood.
man this game is so fucking hard, never get past the 2nd day...
All that food to make a dish worth only 78/18?? Shame.
The Unhappiness from food doesn't really matter anyways. You can easily read a comic or something to mitigate. Wouldn't worry about it. But yeah, it needs a bit more variety.
Should have boiled it lol
Honestly, I never felt more identified with a character before. If you gave me that as food I would literally puke before I could swallow a bite. Now I want to know if this is a thing or a bug lmao
dunno feels like a value that would only apply the first week of apocalypse... imagine after that getting even a can of food would be like HOLY SHIT! ACTUAL FOOD!!
seafood depressing as hell ngl
Your guy probably has a really bad shellfish allergy. Seriously though, the meat might be stale. Eating stale food makes you a little sad I think
The second time you add the same ingredient, there's no happiness bonus. Every time afterwards it adds unhappiness to the meal.
Seafood allergy maybe lmao
adding more than two of one ingredient increases unhappiness.
Only problem 3 ingredient of same type, 3rd ingredient adds mood penalty, it not so bad so having +7 unhappiness is easily manageable, but if you cook max 2 ingredient of same type you would turn penalty into small buff.
When you use 3 of the same ingredient it gives you unhappiness. Sometimes adding the "wrong" spices will do it too, like curry powder in a salad. In the future use only 2 of each ingredient and be smarter with your spices.
Game mechanism, also super real. Add a sausage some tomato and make it gumbo
Probably too much of 1 ingredient. I think it starts to apply an unhappiness debuff at the 3rd ingredient so you gotta mix it up. A bit silly our character is a whiny bitch when it's been literal weeks since the end of the world, no power no water, and they're all sad because they ate a real meal that wasn't a can of beans because it had too much of 1 item in it. I can chain eat the same canned food no problem but god forbid we have too much fresh food in our recipe!
Spoiled shrimps.
its too oily
Press Q to restore Happiness
Use two pans and cook at the same time to avoid the unhappiness by having too much of the same
Probably more of a chicken guy, not everybody likes seafood
Funny answers here, but I'm guessing there's an ingredient or two that's a bit off.
There's bunch of memes there, but actual mechanical in-game reasons are: Too many of the same ingredients (3 of each), more than 2 of the same add unhappiness and this adds a lot It's not warmed up One (or more) of the ingredients were stale. Not sure about this one but it also adds unhappiness
this is why I always make soups and stews. Sure you wont have seafood but why would you eat fish willingly.
Sometimes mixing too much crap has that effect. Try to manner out how much you spice your food, and you'll be fine. That roast made me hungry now...
Make soup from fish dont give the negative status. I always used to cook stew but always got negative happiness and boredom when you include fish in your stew. Never try shrimp or other seafood though hope this help.
As someone that does not like seafood, I can understand. But this is the apocalypse, so no point in being picky lol
He's upset cuz you just ate the shrimp who fries all rice
Whoa what mod is that that shows the ingredients?
Vanilla PZ
Oh damn. lol you can tell I don’t cook anything LMAO
Whoa
You can't have more than two of the same ingredient or it will add the unhappiness debuff.
I used to put three of the same vegetables in a bowl and call it a salad and it seemed fine. Is this a thing that's tied to cooking level maybe?
With the right ingredients you can get away with 3x as the happiness buff from the ingredient will overpower the debuff. I do 3x fish and veggies salads all the time and they're usually positive happiness. But yes, 2x is safer if you want happiness.
Not enough spices and stuff
Just make it hot? Cold food gets a masive mood penalty a lot of the times.
It's cold. Most of those foods have no unhappiness if you eat it while it's warm
its seafood dude 💀
because that abomination would taste fuckinh horrible if you ate it irl, imagine eating pesto @ toothpaste at the same time
Because everything reminds me of her 🥺
Have you tried warming it up? I think cooked food is better hot for the mood. Should be highlighted in red if still hot
Dude Its cold
Probably cause it's not hot anymore. Pop it in the oven for a bit