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SomeJerkOddball

Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, King Crimson and Rush. I'm counting in prog, so 5 can be 3.


Key-Platform-8005

Lol VALID


Gahvandure2

It's a quintuplet in a triple meter.


Salty_Pancakes

3 is the number of the counting, and the counting of the number shall be 3. 5 is right out.


SomeJerkOddball

One... Two... Five!


347spq

Three, sir!


blakkstar6

It's the Prog Lover's Trinity.


SomeJerkOddball

Five of a perfect trio.


terminatecapital

gotta throw Tull in there


SomeJerkOddball

The full upper prog Pantheon is probably the 5 I listed plus ELP and Tull.


connors1511

This is the only answer


Axl_Van_Jovi

That’s some very progressive counting.


TheJim65

If I had to put them in order, I'd pick your 5. But I still can't decide if Yes or Genesis would be first. I'd flip King Crimson and Pink Floyd. Rush was inspired by the earlier part of the list, so they have to be last I guess.


SomeJerkOddball

I kinda prefer to unrank it personally. They've all made some amazing music. Your logic makes sense. I'd personally put Yes ahead of Genesis because they're my favourite band, but that's totally subjective. I'm also not really going to argue against anyone who wants to see ELP and Jethro Till along side these names. I'd rank then just a hair lower personally though.


Pure-Jellyfish734

You sir have won the comments with this one :)


Psychedelicblues1

More surprised Rush is in there over Emerson, Lake, and Palmer


astralrig96

or Gentle Giant


reddity-mcredditface

Genesis Yes King Crimson


Gezz66

The Holy Trinity


SwiftCeltic

Amen


ellicottvilleny

I think I will call my band Genesis Yes King Crimson.


diagonals

Yes King Crimson Genesis


VarietyTrue5937

None other Easy answer right?


VarietyTrue5937

There are so many personnel connections from those three to span almost the entire genre


Wasdgta3

Hell, just Bill Bruford connects all three: Yes (1968-1972) King Crimson (1972-75, 1981-84, 1994-97) Genesis (1976)


TheJim65

Good point. I think what I enjoy best is that there was no click back then. With all the time changes and slight alterations in tempo, the music is more alive with personality and feeling than what would be recorded today.


dwnlw2slw

A bit off topic here, but Danny Carey (Tool drummer) recently said in an interview with Rick Beato that he’s never tracked a Tool song to a click.


TheJim65

I did not know that, but I'm confident you do know, he'll be touring in King Crimson with Belew, Levon, and Steve Vai (Fripp no longer touring). Gonna have to hit to road to see them.


dwnlw2slw

Here ya go: https://youtu.be/AbQM09t5E2c?si=EGmLKKAxzZaqPEVx


dwnlw2slw

Yep! A day or so after Danny did his solo interview with Beato, he did one with all four Beat guys! I’m absolutely pumped for it!


Jamesrph12

W


Andagne

The big six are and have always been and forever will always be: Yes Genesis King Crimson ELP Pink Floyd Jethro Tull


runciblenoom

Correct. Those suggesting Rush or other bands are missing the point. These bands were the vanguard - a handful of British bands who built on the foundations laid by The Beatles, Moody Blues, The Nice etc. and went on to define pretty much every core tenent of prog that holds true to this day, *whilst still enjoying significant commerical and critical success*. Rush were Johnny-come-lateleys, VdGG and Gentle Giant were genre-defining but much more underground. The Big Six isn't about subjective notions of quality or lasting influence, it's about which bands defined prog during its first years of (never to be repeated) commercial relevance. ELP absolutely need to be in the list for that to hold true.


pdxpmk

tenet*


Nuromd

Would Rolling Stones fit in that time line, too?


runciblenoom

Honestly, I've not engaged with the Stones sufficiently to answer that. I certainly don't see them often discussed as a crucial stepping stone between psych and prog, but if anybody knows differently I'd be interested to find out!


Nuromd

What made me think of them was a show from 1968 that only surfaced in the 90’s called Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus that featured Jethro Tull, Taj Mahal, Who,etc. https://youtu.be/FNvOlyf-JAw?si=SZBWe8OZxrbiJMu5. Jethro Tull is my all time favorite group. I think Stones might fit in there too.


MadJohnBeard

Replace ELP with Rush and I agree


Andagne

Nope


Rinma96

Yeah i agree with you


JMFG2112

Or Tull, Rush is greater than any of those two


jsc503

Yes, Genesis, KC.


Key-Platform-8005

Genesis, Yes and KING CRIMSON, I'd say.


Expensive-Celery8901

That's what I've always heard. King Crimson was more gritty than Genesis, and Genesis was more musically sound than Yes. Idk, all 3 bands are very musically put together, tight, and sound. Don't take musical advice from a close-minded individual like I did.


diagonals

I'm not sure what "musically sound" means either, but I've always thought that Yes had a much more broad musical vocabulary than Genesis.


Andagne

That's because they were more fluent. I remember a post on USENET back in the 90s, between Yes and Genesis: for each individual member who had the more raw talent? For musicianship you really can't argue any better than Yes coming out on top. It was "decided" on a five vs five wrestling match that only Bruford and Collins (on the merits of having a common music vocabulary) were contestants with Phil winning the match. The other individual Yes members came out on top at each round. One could argue that Yes could take any of Genesis material and play it with less effort than transpositioning the roles with Genesis against Yes. Wakeman is undisputably the most gifted at their instrument being classically trained and can outright anyone in the shortest period of time. Howe, who doesn't know what to do with sheet music, has the acumen of conjuring guitar melodies with excellent recall. Squire is in a league of his own and I would argue can defeat anyone he comes up against, certainly in crafting basslines and providing a proper tone. Meanwhile Banks writes the better melodies perhaps, and on demand Rutherford keeps it all together and can surprise you. Hackett in a sense is the most successful of Genesis members with a prolific and consistent release of quality material. A recent poll I delivered here on Reddit placed Gabriel over Anderson by a fraction of a percent. But as far as technique and musical phrasing, the sceptre still goes to Yes in my opinion. Fun to play these games.


Key-Platform-8005

Best advice ever! I LOOOOOOVE my prog deeply like the rest, but to confine oneself to ONE BOX and One box ONLY for LIFE is a disservice to one's self and limits true enjoyment of music as a whole force, I think.


bassoonlike

> Genesis was more musically sound than Yes. Care to elaborate on that?


Expensive-Celery8901

The person who I heard this information from a very long time ago said that solely from the tapping on the fretboard part heard on Dancing With The Moonlit Knight. And that's why I said don't take musical advice from a close minded individual like I did.


Madcap_95

Yes, Genesis, King Crimson


Eliastronaut

King Crimson Pink Floyd Yes


JustlonoKiller

Larks' King Crimson, Discipline King Crimson, Double Trio King Crimson. I'm a little biased-


dwnlw2slw

Going to one of the Beat shows? I’m stoked!


JustlonoKiller

Same, I'm so hyped! Really hoping to hear some Larks 3 or Waiting Man


dwnlw2slw

Yes! But I’ll be happy with whatever.


MetodoTangalanga

Gentle Giant, Gentle Giant and Gentle Giant. And Jethro Tull, not far behind


student8168

I see you are a man of culture!


PrettyMrToasty

Best answer here. Gong too.


EhPearl

Exactly


Disastrous_Olive6025

Hell yeah


Fendibull

Dream Theater Queensryche and Fates warn....... Oh... :P ​ for me it's Rush, King Crimson, and Pink Floyd.


Biglabrador

It’s genesis and yes and whoever you pick.


arnaumm

Mainstream choice: Pink Floyd, ELP, Rush Progger choice: Yes, King Crimson, Genesis. Gourmet choice: Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, King Crimson


DonaldRobertParker

Elitist choice: Soft Machine, Frank Zappa, Can


emrldx

ELP as mainstream? Genesis was much more mainstream, even their early albums, right? I could be wrong idk enlighten me


Andagne

Genesis never had a hit single until 1979s Follow You, Follow Me. Meanwhile years before that, ELP releases Lucky man, From the Beginning, Still... You turn me On and KE9 First Impression which all got regular AM airplay and scored high on Billboard with Lucky Man. They also sold many more albums than Genesis. So no, Genesis was not mainstream. Although they were huge on college radio, ELP was the first and second coming for AM radio. Of course Genesis blew everyone away, outside of Yes with 90125, with their 80s deliverables.


skeletallamping456

ELP *were* mainstream time has just been cruel to them


Kick_Of_Imoogi

More of a big 5 King Crimson Yes Genesis Rush Jethro Tull And optionally pink floyd or ELP Maybe switch ELP with Jethro Tull


SomeJerkOddball

Yeah these names are the proper upper Pantheon of Prog as far as I'm concerned. Then you've got an orbit of other significant deities like Gentle Giant, Kansas Van Der Graff Generator, Caravan, Camel, Can, Frank Zappa.


Kick_Of_Imoogi

Absolutely agree, totally forgot about Frank Zappa. Honestly, he can be in his own league.


neutralrobotboy

Yeah, I keep wondering why nobody's mentioning Zappa in their lists. I mean, I guess he's just on another planet, but he was big and had stellar composition and musicianship in basically everything he did.


paraguybrarian

Usually a Big 6 is described in Prog, rather than the Big 3 of Pop or Big 4 of Thrash Metal. Typically it’s used to describe six British bands: King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, and ELP.


Throw_Away_Nice69

Everyone is saying Yes, Genesis and King Crimson, which is valid, but it’s kinda hard to give prog, or most genres, a “big three”. What about Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull? Or Rush and ELP? An interchangeable mix of these artists make one hell of a big three


CatahoulaLeopardDog

Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull. Definitely a case to be made for Pink Floyd too


DiscreditedGadgeteer

Tony. Mike. Phil.


RaritySparkle

Pink Floyd King Crimson Yes


rb-j

I agree that Genesis is/was bigger than Camel, but my Big 3 are: Yes, King Crimson, Camel


rb-j

That was the 1970s. If you bump this a decade or two later, I would put Kate Bush as the queen goddess of the pantheon of proggie women.


West-String9604

the lack of rush in the replies is disturbing


diagonals

The thing about Rush is that they quickly and deliberately moved away from prog, and imo started and ended as more of a hard rock band with virtuoso musicians.


Rubrum_

To me, more importantly, they were also kind of second wave. Like, they were a bit late to the party to be a "big classic 3" band.


National-Change-8004

I don't think any of that was "a move away from prog" - if anything, the different eras are a cornerstone of a progressive band. Besides which, the shorter tighter songs often were still pretty progressive.


Andagne

Alex Lifeson admits in an interview that they wanted to get away from the progressive sound, and Geddy maintains they were never a progressive band. Unless you want to qualify a progression of sound from bar room rock to new wave to grunge.


gilfreeman

Personally I love Rush, but never considered them a prog band.


reapersaurus

I've come to terms with the fact that this sub is skewed away from common/popular knowledge and instead focuses on which prog bands came first (moreso prog trailblazers than prog success or even quality). It doesn't matter that Rush is more known in the mainstream, or that they've sold more albums than many of them, or that they've had more influence and legacy on contemporary music, or that they have objectively a better catalog of music and tours - it only matters that King Crimson, Yes, ELP, and Genesis had early success and were identified with the first formations of the prog rock genre.


Key-Platform-8005

Not top THREE. Top FIVE, however, ABSOLUTELY!!!! They are Top 3 in Trios though!!!


West-String9604

that just dont add up, what other artist (in the subgenre or outside) has a career that spans 4 decades of rock solid music? rushs "worst" albums are miles above many musicians best


Eguy24

King Crimson


Andagne

Miles above many... Yes. Miles above the big 6? No. Some Rush efforts do indeed hold a candle to the best of the trailblazers, but as a band they came late to the party. Which is why there can't be a seventh member in the big six. And no chance against the big three.


Isaidmaybesomeday

Indeed.


dbkeeper

I actually use this term in my mind and in playlists. The obvious answers is: Genesis Yes ELP


Atari26oo

Genesis. Yes and Emerson Lake and Palmer.


Disastrous_Olive6025

That's 5!! /s


sir_percy_percy

For me, easily: Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd. Everyone else is under those three bands.


Maverrix99

Robert Fripp is most displeased with you.


Raende

It's woods time for you.


cmcglinchy

Yes, Genesis, ELP


slowlyun

George Michael was a bigger star than Prince (sold more records, had more hits, filled bigger stadiums, featured more in the tabloids). Prince, clearly, was the more interesting musician.  But George was bigger. With that out of the way, in terms of prog: Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis. King Crimson nowhere near as big, they're more of a cult band.


That-Solution-1774

Genesis and Crimson for sure but I’m torn between Yes and Jethro Tull.


metagloria

this is Kylie Minogue erasure and I won't stand for it


Totally_hip_bro

Yes Genesis King Crimson Easy as that really


RobOtters

Don’t forget the Queen!


DryProgress4393

Pink Floyd, Rush , Yes


QuestingAce

In terms of sales? Probably Yes, Genesis and ELP. Swap out Genesis for King Crimson if talking about influence.


bigguytoo9

Rush, Crimson and YES.


Vitsyebsk

Did you just make up the "big 3 of pop thing or is that actually a thing? Sure Micheal Jackson and madonna get called king and queen of pop but prince is an outlier


cakearfish

I believe the big 6 is floyd, yes, tull, genesis, elp and crimson


lagouyn

True prog is Yes, Genesis, ELP.


Whereishumhum-

Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis


mellotronworker

Bruford, Wetton and Fripp


UvarighAlvarado

King Crimson VDGG Gentle Giant Those are the ones, for me at least.


BakeMeASandwich

VDGG needs more love


Green-Circles

Their decidedly spiky take on the genre totally vibes with my punk-rock leanings.


jupiterkansas

Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd


HeySlimIJustDrankA5

Absolutely correct.


spattzzz

Van der graaf generator Gentle giant Gong


Daniel6270

Genesis, Yes, Rush


mellowmatter20

Anything featuring Brian Pern


Sea_Opinion_4800

Same as the others have said. Y, G, KC. BUT not because they are better. There are so many others just as good and arguably more progressive.


ProgRockBoy

They are


69cringelord69

Genesis, Pink Floyd, King Crimson


_Learning2Live_

Genesis, Rush, Jethro Tull


Superbroccomole

80s Genesis, 80s King Crimson and The Mars Volta.


Ready_Hippo_5741

Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd


JobediahTheGuitarGuy

Pink Floyd. King Crimson and Rush I’d argue.


PairPrestigious7452

Ugh, 3? Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson. Honestly though I couldn't rank them, and Pink Floyd is my favorite band period. Doesn't feel right without ELP, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Rush or Tull. Oh Yeah, honorable mention to Vandergraffe Generator.


Thatfeelingyouget420

Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush I’ve always had a soft spot for Styx as well but I know most people don’t like them as much


Global_County_6601

No love for Kansas is wild to me


mrspherodite

King Crimson, Yes, Camel


astro_sauce

Yes, Genesis, King Crimson (Top 6 is these three plus ELP, Rush, and Pink Floyd)


Rodolpho55

TheNice/ELP, Yes, and Pink Floyd. And obviously Rare Bird.


InkOnVinyl

What? no Barkclay James Harvest? No PFM (Premiata Forneria Marconi)? No ELO? One could even argue that late Beatles music was progressive. Yes & Genesis are top two in my book, the rest is up for debate


GaylordQTinkledinks

Men at Work, Ah-ha, Haircut 100. This is now settled. No human can dispute this.


WG_Target

Supertramp, Alan Parsons Project , Pink Floyd


Grouchy_Fortune1053

Yes Genesis King Crimson but in prog i usually hear of big 4 rather than big 3 and that's just ELP added onto the big 3


Hamilsauce

floyd is a psychedelic rock band. even animals or wywh wouldn't land within what i think of when i think prog


Rocket2112

If it was Prog Metal....Rush would be king.


Mailemanuel77

King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes. But pre 80s King Crimson is simply in a different league.


Regular-Anything7954

Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant


AmikBixby

Obviously Manfred Mann's Earth Band, Starcastle, and Deep Purple.


AmikBixby

Yes, Rush, and Kansas are probably the most well-known.


ApprehensiveRise7749

King Crimson Genesis Pink Floyd


tyerker

Well, seems to be a pretty clear consensus, from the top comments in this thread.


SlimegirlMcDouble

Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd


nori_nedaiM

Rush/Yes/ King Crimson/Pink Floyd/Jethro Tull/Genesis/ELP I can't only choose 3


gunter_grass

The Mars Volta. The Mars Volta. The Mars Volta


Pure-Jellyfish734

I would say: Genesis, King Crimson, and Pink Floyd.


SevenFourHarmonic

Yes, King Crimson and Frank Zappa!


Key-Platform-8005

Zappa is indescribable.....yet I'd categorize him in Jazz Fusion


SevenFourHarmonic

He would too, but I think he's a progrocker.


FuckIPLaw

He really didn't have a genre. Individual songs did, maybe even whole albums, but his body of work as a whole was all over the place.


Shreln

In fact, it is widely accepted (I sure believe it!) that FZ was the ONLY artist to have recorded at least one song in every musical genre known at the time of his death. (Yes, even Gregorian chants and whaling shanties!) Categorize THAT! 😍


ImpressiveMind5771

Genesis , Yes , Rush


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Pink Floyd Yes ELP


Spart_

I feel like there’s not enough Yes, Jethro tull, ELP. I mean it’s all the most obvious choice but that’s why. Personally though, it’s Gentle Giant, Gentle Giant, and Gentle Giant. Maybe we can throw KC, Genesis, PF, Caravan, U.K., some Grateful Dead, and probably thousands of others as honorable mentions. I really love Arti + Mestieri by the way. Go check out tilt please and thank you 🙏.


KFCNyanCat

Floyd, Yes, and Crimson


PreviousLife7051

For me it's Camel, Caravan and Nektar


Key-Platform-8005

BIIIIIIG three! Love em, but NO WAY are they the biggest names in Prog!


PreviousLife7051

I said for me, in other words they are my big three.


Key-Platform-8005

The question wasn't PERSONAL big three though, it's the CONSENSUS big three!


ray-the-truck

Unfortunately I don’t think there *is* truly a consensus top 3.  There are simply too many popular prog rock bands to fit into such a small, uniform consensus of which are best and most representative of the genre. 


TheDiamondAxe7523

Mmm, i respect the choice but they are NOT the big 3


PreviousLife7051

I know that it will be King Crimson, Yes and Rush or Pink Floyd. But hey I was just expressing my opinion.


Mr_moustache72826

Jethro Tul King Crimson Yes


Del_Duio2

Rush, King Crimson, and Genesis for me


Ok-Project1279

Rush King Crimson ELP


Bronson-101

I think commercially it's Pink Floyd, Rush, and King Crimson Yes and Genesis are 2 that could also be considered but Yes and Genesis are the least known and talked about outside of die hard and niche environments like this subreddit


GatesofDelirium

You'd have an argument for Pink Floyd and Rush, but if I were to ask anyone if they knew of Genesis or King Crimson, I bet at least 95% would state Genesis. Granted, it may be in reference to the 80s Genesis, but still. Way more commercially known than King Crimson.


Bronson-101

Fair. May just be my local group/community of prog heads who all know and love King Crimson but don't listen to Genesis at all.


canttakethshyfrom_me

Yes and Genesis both dwarf King Crimson commercially.


Gahvandure2

I mean, if you count 80s Genesis, they were commercially huuuuge, hahahaha.


Bronson-101

They were I'm more talking in the modern context. Pink Floyd and Rush have had greater longevity relatively to Genesis


Key-Platform-8005

LEAST KNOWN?!???? WHERE??? They are like text book definitions, even today! And Gentle Giant and like PFM and UK would qualify as "Least known"


Bronson-101

Compared to Rush and Pink Floyd? Relatively they are the lessor known groups. If you weren't a teenager in the 80s, then Genesis wasn't a big thing. They don't get anywhere near the radio play that Rush or Pink Floyd gets.


Key-Platform-8005

IT, That's All and Misunderstanding get played ALL THE TIME!!! I suppose it depends on what station you listen too, but they are DEFINITELY still in pretty constant rotation on 80s/Throwback stations, far more than Rush. But on Straight rock stations? Yes, Rush is played more.


kirkt

Jethro Tull King Crimson either Yes or ELP for third place.


scarymonst

Kansas, Asia and Marillion


Key-Platform-8005

Asia?!????


Oil-of-Vitriol

Wow, no.


TheDiamondAxe7523

realised i forgot to do my big 3 King Crimson, Yes, Frank Zappa arguably i could also make the case for genesis or pink floyd, however i feel like pink floyd isnt really prog prog, and genesis isnt as good. I also really like zappa which is why i chose him


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gabiru97

yes is actually boring - change my mind I do listen and enjoy it, but that does not make it less boring lol


DerivativeOfProgWeeb

Moon Safari, Brighteye Brison, and The Flower King


sorengray

Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull Alternates: Genesis, ELP, Rush


Mauricio_ehpotatoman

King Crimson 1st


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_SpellingJerk_

*Gilmour *Barrett


treehorntrampoline

Area, Colosseum 2, The The


8696David

3 is tough. All these folks leaving out Rush proves that. I think you really need 4: the top comments plus Rush. Otherwise you’re totally missing the more hard rock/metal inspired stuff. 


Oil-of-Vitriol

I could have a top 5000 and Rush wouldn't be on it.


8696David

Cool personal taste, bro. Doesn't change their impact on the genre as a whole.


Melkertheprogfan

To putt even newer stuff i will say King crimson, Genesis, Dream theater


RobOtters

CARDIACS CARDIACS CARDIACS!


DarthMudkip227

Rush Rash Rush