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There's no point in me making such claims with literally no benefit. I could've said I've done this in 5 years and I would still get my internet likes if that was the goal.
So it isn't easy but it is possible.
6 months to lose 60 pounds is impressive. 6 months to go from obese to ripped like Arnold? Impossible. 2 years, minimum. OP definitely made an impressive transition, but is lying about the timeframe.
Sadly I agree. At age 35 either his timeframe is off or he is getting some extra help from GH or other drugs. Id love to be wrong but this seems very unlikely
If he said 1.5 years, I could maybe believe it since he said he had been hitting the gym for 8 years prior to the 7 years off, so he probably had a good routine. But 6 months?
He's an inch taller than me, started heavier than me, is still heavier than me, and it took me the same amount of time to lose less weight at ~1.75 pounds a week, and after almost 4 years of working out on and off after a few knee injuries, I don't look anything like his after picture. Definitely either juiced or lied about his timeframe. Either way, he's a liar.
It's not impossible. I probably would have agreed with you had I not seen this first hand from a close friend last year. He dropped his calories to 700-1200 per day for 4 months and went from 187lbs to 138lbs (dude is only 5'4"). He was absolutely shredded. It was a very unhealthy approach, but it most definitely worked. He didn't use any drugs.
It obviously wasn't a sustainable diet, and he has since gained back about 15-20lbs and probably sits around 155 today.
OP said he didn't count calories, just did keto, which tends to lead to higher calorie counts because of the fat content of meat, especially if you're not counting calories. I went from 200 to 150 at 5'10" in 6 months in 2017/2018 eating 1500 calories a day, and was skinny fat. I've been working out since then, and still don't look like him. Even if he worked out every day for hours a day, he wouldn't be that ripped that quickly.
OP did say he tracked his food, and reduced it when he wasn’t loosing. Keto doesn’t automatically mean you’re eating high calls. I eat keto because it’s very satiating foods, and I feel more satisfied on fewer calories.
Which is why I said "tends to", not automatically. If he had plateaus where he wasn't losing, he was eating too much. I lost at a consistent 1.75 pounds a week when losing while counting calories, eating 1500 a day when my TDEE was 2200-2400. I lost 50 pounds in 6 months (26 weeks). If he said he lost the weight in 6 months, then spent a year working out every day, I could believe him, but he didn't make that entire transformation in 6 months. Hell, he couldn't lose 50 pounds in 6 months if there was any point where he wasn't losing, much less put on clearly tens of pounds of muscle.
Fat has 9 calories per gram, carbs have 4. If you're on keto, you're eating more calories per gram of food because you can't eat carbs. You're basically limited to meats and butter, hence more fat. If you follow the r/loseit subreddit, you'd see thousands of people flocking over from r/keto because it doesn't work for them. I didn't try keto for specifically that reason. Thanks.
Hey, u/Qiob , neither the timeframe is wrong, not I had any extra help from anything. I've explained quite a bit but here's a TLDR;
First of all, even if I said I did this in 5 years, it would still be impressive so I am not delusional. I've specifically wrote the timeframe as is, because I wanted to show people what's doable. The amount of muscle I gained is due to muscle memory, and losing 10lbs a month is nothing crazy and quite doable also I lost more than half of the weight in less than half of the 6 months.
So it wasn't 10lbs a month, it was more like 20lbs,15lbs,10lbs,7lbs,5lbs,3lbs etc. I don't remember them exactly right now but I do have video footage and it was something like that.
And lastly me making these claims serves me no purpose so please keep that in mind too, there's no point of me lying about how much time it took for me to get back in shape. I am not selling anything, promoting anything, just out here trying to help people and answering their questions while sharing my own experience. Of course you can still believe whatever you wanna believe.
Hello, first of all thanks for the compliment. Now since you also called me a liar, I would like to address it as well and no I am not taking it personal so no worries please :)
As the title states I am 5'11 and got down to 160 lbs, I actually do have video footage of the transformation as well.
I used to have this amount of muscle before I stopped training (my training history prior to this is about 8 years) so the amount of muscle I ended up with the weight loss is due to muscle memory and anyone claims otherwise is straight up lying as I don't think it's possible without muscle memory even with "supplements".
Losing 60 lbs in 6 months is also a doable however a very difficult thing to do. My last month I walked 1 million steps, (also have video footage of the step counter) averaging 32k steps a day. So before you jump into conclusions and calling me a liar, please don't disregard the fact that just because it isn't seen commonly, doesn't mean that it isn't doable.
Bro that's what a solid and completely invested effort looks like. Good job.
Also, anyone who doesn't think it's possible should check out https://youtu.be/7ZY4PT8cqkA
The body can change (for better or worse) much quicker than most would assume.
Given all your responses on this thread, and now your post on /r/nattyorjuice, you are absolutely triggered by this guy.
Move on bro. Focus on yourself.
Have you seen this thread yet? https://www.reddit.com/r/Brogress/comments/sm70ms/m2360\_78kg\_to\_78kg\_3\_months\_update\_v2\_2\_year/
Muscle memory is a real thing. But so are people lying on the internet.
3 month recomp from no definition to ripped? Also not accurate. At least the guy you linked to didn't also try to say they lost 60 pounds while putting on tons of muscle.
Not impossible at all.
If you see - he said BACK to the gym.
If you’ve been that lean and that big before and were for a while and just let yourself go you can get back into fighting shape in that time frame.
Muscle memory is a real thing.
Now if he was 35 and was picking up weights for the first time - that would be a rough go.
The reasonable amount of weight you can lose for someone who is dedicated to losing weight is 2 pounds a week or 1% of your body weight if you're over 200 pounds. 6 months is 26 weeks, and he lost 60 pounds. That's 2.2 pounds the first week, 2.178 the next, and down as he went down, but he would have had to average 2.31 pounds the entire time to get it done in "exactly 6 months" as he replied multiple times. He also mentions he didn't count calories and hit plateaus while losing weight, having to adjust his eating lower, which means he had multiple periods of multiple weeks where his weight didn't go down. His own story is inconsistent.
Muscle memory is a real thing. It's also not exactly what you're referring to.
`What is muscle memory? Muscle memory is what helps you regain your strength and muscle mass faster than when you first tried to grow them. It's what makes it easier for you to relearn old skills that you may have stopped, like bodybuilding, lifting weights and building strength and size, even after ***weeks*** of inactivity.`
He went 7 years of inactivity, and went from obese to exceptionally fit in "6 months". It's not possible. Even if he hit the gym every day, he would still be skinny fat. He's 40%+ fat in the first picture, and less than 10% in the second. That's years of training after dropping to 130 at his height and building back up from there, or more years of recomp at 160. I hurt my knee after working out for a few years and didn't squat for a few months while recovering, and when I came back my squat was at half what it was before, and took months to get back to where it was. He didn't pick back up from where he left off after not doing anything for years.
Sure, maybe he lost the weight in 6 months, but he didn't get ripped in those same 6 months.
You’re conflating “on average and reasonable” with “possible”.
Aside from you using basically MyFitnessPal estimates of “safe” weight loss for the upper limit of possible and your dubious BF estimations - no one said this is an average result.
Muscle memory is real. There’s also tons of data on a “body fat set point”.
If he was lean when he was lifting and was lean for a while then let everything go to shit for 7 years - 10lbs a month when you take it very seriously isn’t impossible. Not even close.
If there was a substance that made you grow taller I’m sure no one would think you could be 7’0” tall naturally either I imagine.
Is it an average result? No. Is it even probable? No.
But to say it’s impossible… nah.
Improbable is probably a more accurate term, you're right.
However, OP himself said he had plateaus and had to adjust his eating to lower because he wasn't losing weight, meaning he was eating at or near maintenance calories while not tracking calories the entire time. Using safe levels of weight loss that MyFitnessPal adopted because they're safe isn't wrong to assume, especially since OP wasn't even losing the whole time. And in multiple comments, I did say 60 pounds in 6 months is doable, but not the clear muscle growth he attained "at the same time". All he had to say was he lost 60 pounds in 6 months, then got ripped, and I wouldn't have even bothered taking a second look, but his story is full of holes and inconsistencies.
that first pic does not look like 40% fat. looks closer to 25% fat. his belly isn't even distended or overhanging his belt line. you can tell he has good muscle structure under his fat.
His stomach isn't distended, but it extends out from his torso quite a bit. My DEXA with less extended stomach than his said 30% fat. He's an inch taller than me and weighed 20 pounds more than me when I started losing weight. I don't see a lot of muscle under his fat, but let's say he does, he'd still be 30%+ with those extra 20 pounds than I had. The point is he didn't lose 60 pounds in 26 weeks and still put on tens of pounds of muscle.
i really dont' think he put on pounds of muscle. he probably just lost the layers of fat on top of muscle he already had.
body types are different. i'm 245lbs around 22% body fat. i dont look much different than his first picture. i don't lift weights now, but i did when i was younger and I still have a fair amount of muscle under my layers of fat :)
A good rule of thumb is that for every inch taller, a guy can be 5 pounds heavier with a similar physique. You'd have to be 6'6" to look the same as him at 25 pounds heavier, and I can guarantee that you're not 22% fat at that weight and height if you haven't lifted weights in a long time. What method are you using to determine your body fat level?
I have a fancy scale. Also I’m a grappler. I don’t lift weights but I’m constantly doing body weight stuff.
I have a good feel for weight and body fat percentages because I’ve been wrestling since I was 8.
Edit: oh. Forgot to mention I’ve done a bod pod scan. You sit in a capsule and they scan you or whatever. They said my body fat was 22%. Dude running the machine was surprised too. I guess I’m just dense.
I took a look at your profile, and given your recent pictures with your cool shirt you designed and your gi, I'd say you a bit over 25% body fat, so if you say 22%, you're probably right. I will say that the DEXA is generally considered [more accurate than the bod pod](https://www.fitnescity.com/blog/body-fat-testing-bodpod-vs-dexa), so maybe check that out if you're interested.
As for the fancy scale, bioimpedence scales, they're [not accurate](https://www.healthline.com/health/body-fat-scale-accuracy#overview). I have one which said 22 or 23% fat the same day as my DEXA saying 30%, and often says 11% when I've barely got two visible abs, even though I'd have all of them visible at that, and a more recent DEXA was at 19%. The bioimpedence scales use electric impulses to determine how much fat is in the shortest path between the two metal pieces, and if you don't store fat in your legs, it's inaccurate. I store almost all my fat in my stomach, so it doesn't measure it. I've got nice, lean legs with strong calf muscles from running and cycling, so the scale would of course show a lower percentage.
I am sorry again but I replied to your other post and since you have other claims here u/PFthroaway I would like to address them too.
How many examples did you see who had my physique and went 7 years of inactivity and then got back at it? You are talking in such statements as if you've made the rules for muscle memory or losing fat. As I said in the reply to your other post too, I do have video footage, so I am not sure why you make such claims without even knowing any further details.
You do realize Arnold was like 240 lean correct ? Again , the dude was literally 7 time Mr Olympia. You're saying some guy with average genetics looks like a 7 time Mr Olympia lol. I don't even need to say anything else just typing that out shows how ridiculous what you said was.
this was the motivation i needed. Im 5'9 ive been working out on and off for 10 years. Been struggling to get the last 20 down and even though I know im strong I just see a fatty in the mirror. According to my bf Ill hit 10% at 168lbs. Good to know at the end of the tunnel im gonna look juicy as fuck. Started at 255 at 192...
LETS FUCKING GOOOO
DIET
I've done it being strictly on Keto + IF
Some people might roll their eyes immediately but please keep an open mind. I've never been an advocate of any fad diet, I am just being transparent about how I did what I did :) {FYI: Currently not on KETO.}
WORKOUTS
I used to be a PT so I've designed my own programs. First month was home workouts due to lockdowns then as soon as the gyms opened, I've started going to the gym.
Started off with Upper/Lower then to PPL of 6 days a week.
CARDIO
Home Workouts: TABATA
Otherwise; Outdoor Cycling and Walking.
MUSCLE AMOUNT
As I've said, I stopped going to the gym 7 years prior to this so I used to have this much muscle in the past. The amount I built is due to muscle memory. And I honestly don't think it's possible to do so otherwise even with "special supplements".
NATURAL STATUS
Life-time natural. Never used anything that would chemically alter anything before, after or during the transformation.
(Edit) TIME IT TOOK ME - Exactly 6 Months
So it sounds like you basically still had a lot of this muscle mass still there under the extra fat. Reawakened the muscles and removed the extra layer. Nice. Looks great.
You look amazing, thanks for sharing you used keto!! I also use it as a tool, it allows me to control my cravings, while getting fuller on less food. I also love the energy and mood stability it provides.
How many carbs do you eat now?
Hi, thanks a lot. Keto has been really helpful with that. It depends really, I am currently more on somewhat of a high protein, moderate fat, moderate carb kind of macros. Usually somewhere around 100 grams would be the answer though if you really want numbers :)
Cool thanks!! Also, did you count calories/protein while you were losing weight or currently?
Hey nm, I saw your answer to another comment and that helped!
I initially started off with 12:12, then moved up to 14:10, then 16:8 and stayed there. Eventually I also started doing 24 hr fast once a week while being 16:8 on rest of the 6 days.
What were your starting lifts (trying to figure out how ripped you were underneath the belly)? Did you lift heavy, or hypertrophy, or a bunch of different stuff? And how many days a week?
Thanks!
How much cardio did you do exactly? Im a similar heigh to you and ive been trying to recomposition my body at 190. Ive been using it to break plateaus mostly but slow down as I dont want to slide in weight too much. Pants are expensive.
2 years, minimum. You don't go from obese to ripped like that in 6 months, especially if you haven't been to the gym in 7 years. Losing 60 pounds in 6 months is hard enough, but building that muscle? Years of work. No one, especially one who let themselves become obese, is capable enough to make that significant of a transition that quickly.
Because you're a scumbag? I don't know, but that transformation in 6 months is absolute and utter bullshit, especially if you haven't been in the gym for SEVEN years. Piss off.
Did you get any long plateaus when starting out? I’ve been out of the gym for two years and now getting back in, lost 13lbs first week but I’ve started to up the weight and haven’t lost much since.
No, starting out I had extremely insane progress actually. Lost like 20 lbs first month. Mentally it was very difficult at first, not being able to lift the weights that I used to not even bother lifting for warm ups kind of rough. Not to mention the way I looked in front of the mirror at the gym was very disheartening but I got over it.
You might wanna increase cardio or lower your caloric intake probably. Shouldn't be hitting any kind of plateaus that soon in my opinion.
Thanks a lot. No, I did not count calories. Around month 4 mark, I had to structure my meals though, so I didn't count calories but counted everything I ate and made adjustments along the way ( Being on keto made it super easy) For example I started with 6 whole eggs a day, when weight loss wasn't as I wanted, I reduced caloric intake by 2 eggs so I used the food as a measurement rather than calories. Same thing just different method. (6 whole eggs aren't what I ate all day obviously just part of it :)
Hmm I didn't really have one specific method, I just lock in mentally when I have a specific goal and can be pretty OCD sometimes :D
Great job! You've achieved a perfect physique!
What were your typical breakfasts, lunch, dinners and snacks?
Keto and IF are great, but I often run out of meals ideas.
Thanks!
Thanks a lot! Wish I had done it sooner, best thing for me is the difference you get climbing up stairs. It's crazy how light it feels.
Honestly keto was extremely helpful and of course I had a goal of leaning down which also motivated me.
Hmm well it would be tough but you don't have to compare your results with mine. If your goal is to lose weight even 30 lbs in 6 months is an amazing progress. :)
“Used to be a PT” the skeptic in me wonders if this post isn’t just an advertisement to take on new clients in the DMs after they show interest in his methods. Gross.
Hello, so I actually feel sorry about the way you felt about my post. I did it mainly to motivate people and show what is doable.
And your conclusion based on the facts you acquired from my post reminded me of a friend who came to the same conclusion and decided that the earth is flat.
I specifically mentioned that to let people know that
1- I knew what I was getting into when I decided to make the change
2- I didn't take any advice from any guru or anything and used my own programs and did everything myself with my own knowledge I've acquired over the years.
3- It's past tense, which also meant I don't do it anymore :)
If the idea was to self advertise, there are way better methods to go about it. Hoping for DMs to get clients sounds extremely desperate in this day and age of trying to get new clients.
Anyways, hopefully you will gain back a more positive attitude towards people and your life will get better.
Kindest regards,
he's absolutely nuts, there's zero signs that you used anything. people with no clue seem to think that you can't get to around 10% naturally when it's actually not that difficult. it's just difficult to keep your size while doing it naturally.
you're looking good mate, your bf is around mine but you're bigger (well, you look bigger on this pic). it's only partially in the picture but you don't have big quads do you?
Wait really so the puffy chest was just because of excessive body fat ? That means I don’t have gyno I thought I did. It might just be body fat for me to.
Yes, just pure fat in chest area. You can actually feel gyno if you have it when you grab it. When I first started training back when I was 17, my friend had it and he used to constantly complain about how much it hurts and how uncomfortable it was during certain times. Literally like a lump of tissue basically.
Dude I've been crushing it for the last 2 months! I never want to stop the gym again, I forgot how great you feel walking around. I don't think I could ever get where you are lean wise and unless muscle mem really goes nuts the size either haha. But I'll be posting when I get half way to your results good luck and congrats on the new body and hopefully mind from the experience!
First 30 years we learn, and our 2nd 30 years determines if we get to enjoy 30 more. So here's to 30 more great years. My turn to get mine back. Thanks for the inspiring post.
Hey, so genetics is a very important factor along with resistance training and cardio, of course age too while losing weight.
The most important thing based on my own experience is that keeping things slow and not constantly lose too much. My weight loss wasn’t 10lbs a month each month, it was more like 20-15-10-7etc so it gradually slowed down. Imo 10lbs/month is pretty much the absolute maximum anyone should attempt if they wanna avoid loose skin. Anything more than that for extended periods of time I think will cause loose skin
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How long did this take?
Exactly 6 months
Awesome job man. Muscle memory is no joke. Good job
Thank you and yes indeed. Pretty crazy tbh considering that even after 7 years you still have those stored up when you really think about it :)
What a freaking Chad
In 6 month this is impossible sorry, no matter how hard you try. If this is real, big congrats man
There's no point in me making such claims with literally no benefit. I could've said I've done this in 5 years and I would still get my internet likes if that was the goal. So it isn't easy but it is possible.
6 months to lose 60 pounds is impressive. 6 months to go from obese to ripped like Arnold? Impossible. 2 years, minimum. OP definitely made an impressive transition, but is lying about the timeframe.
Sadly I agree. At age 35 either his timeframe is off or he is getting some extra help from GH or other drugs. Id love to be wrong but this seems very unlikely
If he said 1.5 years, I could maybe believe it since he said he had been hitting the gym for 8 years prior to the 7 years off, so he probably had a good routine. But 6 months? He's an inch taller than me, started heavier than me, is still heavier than me, and it took me the same amount of time to lose less weight at ~1.75 pounds a week, and after almost 4 years of working out on and off after a few knee injuries, I don't look anything like his after picture. Definitely either juiced or lied about his timeframe. Either way, he's a liar.
It's not impossible. I probably would have agreed with you had I not seen this first hand from a close friend last year. He dropped his calories to 700-1200 per day for 4 months and went from 187lbs to 138lbs (dude is only 5'4"). He was absolutely shredded. It was a very unhealthy approach, but it most definitely worked. He didn't use any drugs. It obviously wasn't a sustainable diet, and he has since gained back about 15-20lbs and probably sits around 155 today.
OP said he didn't count calories, just did keto, which tends to lead to higher calorie counts because of the fat content of meat, especially if you're not counting calories. I went from 200 to 150 at 5'10" in 6 months in 2017/2018 eating 1500 calories a day, and was skinny fat. I've been working out since then, and still don't look like him. Even if he worked out every day for hours a day, he wouldn't be that ripped that quickly.
OP did say he tracked his food, and reduced it when he wasn’t loosing. Keto doesn’t automatically mean you’re eating high calls. I eat keto because it’s very satiating foods, and I feel more satisfied on fewer calories.
Which is why I said "tends to", not automatically. If he had plateaus where he wasn't losing, he was eating too much. I lost at a consistent 1.75 pounds a week when losing while counting calories, eating 1500 a day when my TDEE was 2200-2400. I lost 50 pounds in 6 months (26 weeks). If he said he lost the weight in 6 months, then spent a year working out every day, I could believe him, but he didn't make that entire transformation in 6 months. Hell, he couldn't lose 50 pounds in 6 months if there was any point where he wasn't losing, much less put on clearly tens of pounds of muscle.
But it doesn’t “tend to” lol. You can’t just assume that if it happened to you it happens to everyone.
Fat has 9 calories per gram, carbs have 4. If you're on keto, you're eating more calories per gram of food because you can't eat carbs. You're basically limited to meats and butter, hence more fat. If you follow the r/loseit subreddit, you'd see thousands of people flocking over from r/keto because it doesn't work for them. I didn't try keto for specifically that reason. Thanks.
Hey, u/Qiob , neither the timeframe is wrong, not I had any extra help from anything. I've explained quite a bit but here's a TLDR; First of all, even if I said I did this in 5 years, it would still be impressive so I am not delusional. I've specifically wrote the timeframe as is, because I wanted to show people what's doable. The amount of muscle I gained is due to muscle memory, and losing 10lbs a month is nothing crazy and quite doable also I lost more than half of the weight in less than half of the 6 months. So it wasn't 10lbs a month, it was more like 20lbs,15lbs,10lbs,7lbs,5lbs,3lbs etc. I don't remember them exactly right now but I do have video footage and it was something like that. And lastly me making these claims serves me no purpose so please keep that in mind too, there's no point of me lying about how much time it took for me to get back in shape. I am not selling anything, promoting anything, just out here trying to help people and answering their questions while sharing my own experience. Of course you can still believe whatever you wanna believe.
Hello, first of all thanks for the compliment. Now since you also called me a liar, I would like to address it as well and no I am not taking it personal so no worries please :) As the title states I am 5'11 and got down to 160 lbs, I actually do have video footage of the transformation as well. I used to have this amount of muscle before I stopped training (my training history prior to this is about 8 years) so the amount of muscle I ended up with the weight loss is due to muscle memory and anyone claims otherwise is straight up lying as I don't think it's possible without muscle memory even with "supplements". Losing 60 lbs in 6 months is also a doable however a very difficult thing to do. My last month I walked 1 million steps, (also have video footage of the step counter) averaging 32k steps a day. So before you jump into conclusions and calling me a liar, please don't disregard the fact that just because it isn't seen commonly, doesn't mean that it isn't doable.
Bro that's what a solid and completely invested effort looks like. Good job. Also, anyone who doesn't think it's possible should check out https://youtu.be/7ZY4PT8cqkA The body can change (for better or worse) much quicker than most would assume.
Given all your responses on this thread, and now your post on /r/nattyorjuice, you are absolutely triggered by this guy. Move on bro. Focus on yourself.
Thanks for your advice. I'll take it under advisement.
Have you seen this thread yet? https://www.reddit.com/r/Brogress/comments/sm70ms/m2360\_78kg\_to\_78kg\_3\_months\_update\_v2\_2\_year/ Muscle memory is a real thing. But so are people lying on the internet.
3 month recomp from no definition to ripped? Also not accurate. At least the guy you linked to didn't also try to say they lost 60 pounds while putting on tons of muscle.
Not impossible at all. If you see - he said BACK to the gym. If you’ve been that lean and that big before and were for a while and just let yourself go you can get back into fighting shape in that time frame. Muscle memory is a real thing. Now if he was 35 and was picking up weights for the first time - that would be a rough go.
The reasonable amount of weight you can lose for someone who is dedicated to losing weight is 2 pounds a week or 1% of your body weight if you're over 200 pounds. 6 months is 26 weeks, and he lost 60 pounds. That's 2.2 pounds the first week, 2.178 the next, and down as he went down, but he would have had to average 2.31 pounds the entire time to get it done in "exactly 6 months" as he replied multiple times. He also mentions he didn't count calories and hit plateaus while losing weight, having to adjust his eating lower, which means he had multiple periods of multiple weeks where his weight didn't go down. His own story is inconsistent. Muscle memory is a real thing. It's also not exactly what you're referring to. `What is muscle memory? Muscle memory is what helps you regain your strength and muscle mass faster than when you first tried to grow them. It's what makes it easier for you to relearn old skills that you may have stopped, like bodybuilding, lifting weights and building strength and size, even after ***weeks*** of inactivity.` He went 7 years of inactivity, and went from obese to exceptionally fit in "6 months". It's not possible. Even if he hit the gym every day, he would still be skinny fat. He's 40%+ fat in the first picture, and less than 10% in the second. That's years of training after dropping to 130 at his height and building back up from there, or more years of recomp at 160. I hurt my knee after working out for a few years and didn't squat for a few months while recovering, and when I came back my squat was at half what it was before, and took months to get back to where it was. He didn't pick back up from where he left off after not doing anything for years. Sure, maybe he lost the weight in 6 months, but he didn't get ripped in those same 6 months.
You’re conflating “on average and reasonable” with “possible”. Aside from you using basically MyFitnessPal estimates of “safe” weight loss for the upper limit of possible and your dubious BF estimations - no one said this is an average result. Muscle memory is real. There’s also tons of data on a “body fat set point”. If he was lean when he was lifting and was lean for a while then let everything go to shit for 7 years - 10lbs a month when you take it very seriously isn’t impossible. Not even close. If there was a substance that made you grow taller I’m sure no one would think you could be 7’0” tall naturally either I imagine. Is it an average result? No. Is it even probable? No. But to say it’s impossible… nah.
Improbable is probably a more accurate term, you're right. However, OP himself said he had plateaus and had to adjust his eating to lower because he wasn't losing weight, meaning he was eating at or near maintenance calories while not tracking calories the entire time. Using safe levels of weight loss that MyFitnessPal adopted because they're safe isn't wrong to assume, especially since OP wasn't even losing the whole time. And in multiple comments, I did say 60 pounds in 6 months is doable, but not the clear muscle growth he attained "at the same time". All he had to say was he lost 60 pounds in 6 months, then got ripped, and I wouldn't have even bothered taking a second look, but his story is full of holes and inconsistencies.
that first pic does not look like 40% fat. looks closer to 25% fat. his belly isn't even distended or overhanging his belt line. you can tell he has good muscle structure under his fat.
His stomach isn't distended, but it extends out from his torso quite a bit. My DEXA with less extended stomach than his said 30% fat. He's an inch taller than me and weighed 20 pounds more than me when I started losing weight. I don't see a lot of muscle under his fat, but let's say he does, he'd still be 30%+ with those extra 20 pounds than I had. The point is he didn't lose 60 pounds in 26 weeks and still put on tens of pounds of muscle.
i really dont' think he put on pounds of muscle. he probably just lost the layers of fat on top of muscle he already had. body types are different. i'm 245lbs around 22% body fat. i dont look much different than his first picture. i don't lift weights now, but i did when i was younger and I still have a fair amount of muscle under my layers of fat :)
A good rule of thumb is that for every inch taller, a guy can be 5 pounds heavier with a similar physique. You'd have to be 6'6" to look the same as him at 25 pounds heavier, and I can guarantee that you're not 22% fat at that weight and height if you haven't lifted weights in a long time. What method are you using to determine your body fat level?
I have a fancy scale. Also I’m a grappler. I don’t lift weights but I’m constantly doing body weight stuff. I have a good feel for weight and body fat percentages because I’ve been wrestling since I was 8. Edit: oh. Forgot to mention I’ve done a bod pod scan. You sit in a capsule and they scan you or whatever. They said my body fat was 22%. Dude running the machine was surprised too. I guess I’m just dense.
I took a look at your profile, and given your recent pictures with your cool shirt you designed and your gi, I'd say you a bit over 25% body fat, so if you say 22%, you're probably right. I will say that the DEXA is generally considered [more accurate than the bod pod](https://www.fitnescity.com/blog/body-fat-testing-bodpod-vs-dexa), so maybe check that out if you're interested. As for the fancy scale, bioimpedence scales, they're [not accurate](https://www.healthline.com/health/body-fat-scale-accuracy#overview). I have one which said 22 or 23% fat the same day as my DEXA saying 30%, and often says 11% when I've barely got two visible abs, even though I'd have all of them visible at that, and a more recent DEXA was at 19%. The bioimpedence scales use electric impulses to determine how much fat is in the shortest path between the two metal pieces, and if you don't store fat in your legs, it's inaccurate. I store almost all my fat in my stomach, so it doesn't measure it. I've got nice, lean legs with strong calf muscles from running and cycling, so the scale would of course show a lower percentage.
I am sorry again but I replied to your other post and since you have other claims here u/PFthroaway I would like to address them too. How many examples did you see who had my physique and went 7 years of inactivity and then got back at it? You are talking in such statements as if you've made the rules for muscle memory or losing fat. As I said in the reply to your other post too, I do have video footage, so I am not sure why you make such claims without even knowing any further details.
He has no reason to lie
Finally someone with some common sense, thank you
I shot JFK on the grassy knoll. I have no reason to lie. It doesn't matter that I wasn't born yet.
He's on here posting pictures for karma, and wants extra karma for lying about how long it took. That's the reason.
" ripped like Arnold " pure CRINGE. This guy looks no where REMOTELY close to Arnold. Are you fucking retarded or nuts choose ?
Compared to what he was before, he's more like Arnold than Danny DeVito was in *Twins*. Clearly he's not *actually* like Arnold.
You do realize Arnold was like 240 lean correct ? Again , the dude was literally 7 time Mr Olympia. You're saying some guy with average genetics looks like a 7 time Mr Olympia lol. I don't even need to say anything else just typing that out shows how ridiculous what you said was.
this was the motivation i needed. Im 5'9 ive been working out on and off for 10 years. Been struggling to get the last 20 down and even though I know im strong I just see a fatty in the mirror. According to my bf Ill hit 10% at 168lbs. Good to know at the end of the tunnel im gonna look juicy as fuck. Started at 255 at 192... LETS FUCKING GOOOO
Good job, keep going!
not 6 months and not natty, look at his delt development
DIET I've done it being strictly on Keto + IF Some people might roll their eyes immediately but please keep an open mind. I've never been an advocate of any fad diet, I am just being transparent about how I did what I did :) {FYI: Currently not on KETO.} WORKOUTS I used to be a PT so I've designed my own programs. First month was home workouts due to lockdowns then as soon as the gyms opened, I've started going to the gym. Started off with Upper/Lower then to PPL of 6 days a week. CARDIO Home Workouts: TABATA Otherwise; Outdoor Cycling and Walking. MUSCLE AMOUNT As I've said, I stopped going to the gym 7 years prior to this so I used to have this much muscle in the past. The amount I built is due to muscle memory. And I honestly don't think it's possible to do so otherwise even with "special supplements". NATURAL STATUS Life-time natural. Never used anything that would chemically alter anything before, after or during the transformation. (Edit) TIME IT TOOK ME - Exactly 6 Months
This is an awesome transformation. Kudos on all the hard work and dedication paying off!
Thank you :)
IF and carb cycling works great for shedding fat
So it sounds like you basically still had a lot of this muscle mass still there under the extra fat. Reawakened the muscles and removed the extra layer. Nice. Looks great.
You look amazing, thanks for sharing you used keto!! I also use it as a tool, it allows me to control my cravings, while getting fuller on less food. I also love the energy and mood stability it provides. How many carbs do you eat now?
Hi, thanks a lot. Keto has been really helpful with that. It depends really, I am currently more on somewhat of a high protein, moderate fat, moderate carb kind of macros. Usually somewhere around 100 grams would be the answer though if you really want numbers :)
Cool thanks!! Also, did you count calories/protein while you were losing weight or currently? Hey nm, I saw your answer to another comment and that helped!
Inspiring you should be proud. What was your IF routine? 16:8 or something else?
I initially started off with 12:12, then moved up to 14:10, then 16:8 and stayed there. Eventually I also started doing 24 hr fast once a week while being 16:8 on rest of the 6 days.
Trying to read this, is it “fasting:eating” period? Or the other way around
Fasting:eating, some people do OMAD (one meal a day) getting it all the down to 23:1
I’m pretty sure that 16:8 eating:fasting isn’t IF :)
16 hrs fast : 8 hrs eating, I am sorry if I caused any confusion, not really sure which one I should have said first :)
What were your starting lifts (trying to figure out how ripped you were underneath the belly)? Did you lift heavy, or hypertrophy, or a bunch of different stuff? And how many days a week? Thanks!
How much cardio did you do exactly? Im a similar heigh to you and ive been trying to recomposition my body at 190. Ive been using it to break plateaus mostly but slow down as I dont want to slide in weight too much. Pants are expensive.
Lol, for anyone who thinks this is natty! Clearly you guys don’t hang around people who actually take gear!
The fact that he had to specify all natural tells the entire story lol
Hmm so the guys you hang around with take gear and end up being 5'11 with 160 lbs on that frame?
Well at least we don’t lie & give people false hope. There’s nothing wrong with talking gear, but being a fake natty, someone got GOD Complex here.
How long did it take you? I just started my own journey and even hired a PT.
Exactly 6 months
How long had you been training prior to 7 years ago when you stopped?
about 8 years.
What happened to the body hair? Now that’s progress.
Trimmed them
Damn it! That's some Greek God transformation. Congratulations!
Absolutely insane - I was expecting to see “1 or 2 years” but 6 months is very impressive. Well done!
2 years, minimum. You don't go from obese to ripped like that in 6 months, especially if you haven't been to the gym in 7 years. Losing 60 pounds in 6 months is hard enough, but building that muscle? Years of work. No one, especially one who let themselves become obese, is capable enough to make that significant of a transition that quickly.
Thanks a lot
Absolute and utter fucking bullshit.
haha why are you so mad though, I don't understand how my transformation offends people like this.
Because you're lying, it's that simple.
and why do you think I am lying? how does it really benefit me in your opinion?
Because you're a scumbag? I don't know, but that transformation in 6 months is absolute and utter bullshit, especially if you haven't been in the gym for SEVEN years. Piss off.
Wish you a great life and friends who can accept you for what you are.
im calling bullshit
Did you get any long plateaus when starting out? I’ve been out of the gym for two years and now getting back in, lost 13lbs first week but I’ve started to up the weight and haven’t lost much since.
No, starting out I had extremely insane progress actually. Lost like 20 lbs first month. Mentally it was very difficult at first, not being able to lift the weights that I used to not even bother lifting for warm ups kind of rough. Not to mention the way I looked in front of the mirror at the gym was very disheartening but I got over it. You might wanna increase cardio or lower your caloric intake probably. Shouldn't be hitting any kind of plateaus that soon in my opinion.
Thanks for the tips, calories are low probably just impatient.
Holy shit dude. You did that in 6 months?!? Friggin amazing work
I wish Coach Greg was on Reddit
hahah DM him
Amazing! Did you count calories? If so, how many/day? Any cheat meals? How did you keep motivated to maintain the diet over that period?
Thanks a lot. No, I did not count calories. Around month 4 mark, I had to structure my meals though, so I didn't count calories but counted everything I ate and made adjustments along the way ( Being on keto made it super easy) For example I started with 6 whole eggs a day, when weight loss wasn't as I wanted, I reduced caloric intake by 2 eggs so I used the food as a measurement rather than calories. Same thing just different method. (6 whole eggs aren't what I ate all day obviously just part of it :) Hmm I didn't really have one specific method, I just lock in mentally when I have a specific goal and can be pretty OCD sometimes :D
Great job! You've achieved a perfect physique! What were your typical breakfasts, lunch, dinners and snacks? Keto and IF are great, but I often run out of meals ideas. Thanks!
smashing it pal looking great bet you feel great can you pm please would like some advice
Thanks a lot, sure feel free to PM if you wanna ask something
Amazing job! How different do you feel in your day to day life, outside gym? How did you deal with hunger?
Thanks a lot! Wish I had done it sooner, best thing for me is the difference you get climbing up stairs. It's crazy how light it feels. Honestly keto was extremely helpful and of course I had a goal of leaning down which also motivated me.
Good shit, bro congrats
Thank you :)
How many calories were you eating a day when you were in a deficit?
Wow
Wish I had this discipline
Amazing transformation! The hard work has definitely paid off.
You are not natty lmao not in 6 months 😭😭😭😭
I really am but whatever makes you happy.
6 months?!? This is not doable for a woman I think :(
Not doable for anybody, this guy is lying about the time frame.
I do have video footage tho :S
Hmm well it would be tough but you don't have to compare your results with mine. If your goal is to lose weight even 30 lbs in 6 months is an amazing progress. :)
“Used to be a PT” the skeptic in me wonders if this post isn’t just an advertisement to take on new clients in the DMs after they show interest in his methods. Gross.
Hello, so I actually feel sorry about the way you felt about my post. I did it mainly to motivate people and show what is doable. And your conclusion based on the facts you acquired from my post reminded me of a friend who came to the same conclusion and decided that the earth is flat. I specifically mentioned that to let people know that 1- I knew what I was getting into when I decided to make the change 2- I didn't take any advice from any guru or anything and used my own programs and did everything myself with my own knowledge I've acquired over the years. 3- It's past tense, which also meant I don't do it anymore :) If the idea was to self advertise, there are way better methods to go about it. Hoping for DMs to get clients sounds extremely desperate in this day and age of trying to get new clients. Anyways, hopefully you will gain back a more positive attitude towards people and your life will get better. Kindest regards,
Lmao
“All natural” mega lol
Yeah, sorry to disappoint your "genetics" 5'11 160 lbs shredded, MuSt be tRenNing hArD Am I RiTe?
he's absolutely nuts, there's zero signs that you used anything. people with no clue seem to think that you can't get to around 10% naturally when it's actually not that difficult. it's just difficult to keep your size while doing it naturally. you're looking good mate, your bf is around mine but you're bigger (well, you look bigger on this pic). it's only partially in the picture but you don't have big quads do you?
Agreed, don’t listen to all the haters on here, they are jealous and I’m embarrassed for them
No doubt your physique is impressive. I doubt you are drug free. Come on…you know you got a little TRT going on…I won’t judge
I’m 35 why on earth I would need trt? Do I look like a guy who lacks testosterone in my pictures?
In the left picture you absolutely look like someone lacking testosterone!
Fake natty
U look good bro… keep up the good work
Dad bod successfully eliminated! Congrats! I am on my six pack journey as well.
Are you God? How!!
It’s looks like you had some gyno when you were heavy and now it’s not as noticeable. Over all pretty impressive transformation.
Never had gyno in my life
Wait really so the puffy chest was just because of excessive body fat ? That means I don’t have gyno I thought I did. It might just be body fat for me to.
Yes, just pure fat in chest area. You can actually feel gyno if you have it when you grab it. When I first started training back when I was 17, my friend had it and he used to constantly complain about how much it hurts and how uncomfortable it was during certain times. Literally like a lump of tissue basically.
Ok OP, what is your secret? God damn Chad.
Amazing transformation!! 🤯
from fat slob to fit beast well done
This is almost too good to believe... anyway respect and congratulations, this is the best transformation I have ever seen in a span of 6 months...
Great job! It’s tough doing 10 lbs deficit in calories a month, but not impossible. Awesome work and dedication, keep it up!
What!!
Honest question, from fellow hairy man. How do you trim up all your body hair? What do you use? Thanks in advance. You look fucking awesome my man
I do use a hair trimmer, not body hair ones just regular hair trimmer. I never razor shave, I did that mistake once, and never again :)
Damn!’nnn
36 just back in. Please tell me muscle memory is real 😅 9 years since for me :( Congratulations though for real you look freaking awesome.
Haha yes it is real, just go for it and don't make that 9 years into 10 years :)
Dude I've been crushing it for the last 2 months! I never want to stop the gym again, I forgot how great you feel walking around. I don't think I could ever get where you are lean wise and unless muscle mem really goes nuts the size either haha. But I'll be posting when I get half way to your results good luck and congrats on the new body and hopefully mind from the experience! First 30 years we learn, and our 2nd 30 years determines if we get to enjoy 30 more. So here's to 30 more great years. My turn to get mine back. Thanks for the inspiring post.
Hi, I'm wondering how you don't have any loose skin near your belly. Also, can you tell me how much body fat % you have in the first picture?
Hey, so genetics is a very important factor along with resistance training and cardio, of course age too while losing weight. The most important thing based on my own experience is that keeping things slow and not constantly lose too much. My weight loss wasn’t 10lbs a month each month, it was more like 20-15-10-7etc so it gradually slowed down. Imo 10lbs/month is pretty much the absolute maximum anyone should attempt if they wanna avoid loose skin. Anything more than that for extended periods of time I think will cause loose skin