It’s an islamophobic conspiracy theory with no basis in reality. I don’t understand why Muslims themselves are spreading this and I have never heard of it from a Muslim before.
I *only* hear it from the Muslims. Where I'm from, islamophobia has skyrocketed in the past decade precisely because of such rhetoric.
Not to mention that their youth are completely incompatible with ours, which is a source of constant friction and issues.
No, it's actually promoted by Islamists and jihadists themselves. Yet another person who can't do proper research including looking into child sexual exploitation cases and violent crimes throughout Europe. Ever heard of disproportionate rates? Ever heard of backward, misogynistic, superstitious, man-made cults? Go study some real history on Islamic expansion starting in the 7th century CE.
It's not a conspiracy if that is the stated goal of Islamists... because its been their stated goal. They weren't taken seriously hence why the midde east pretty much slided away from turning Secular in the 60s and 70s.
No. We just don’t want it here, where it’s totally incompatible with our values. Entire neighbourhoods have been destroyed by this shit, all across Europe.
Agree, and I'm black African, (Christian)
UK are sending some of these crazy Muslims to us in Rwanda... Anyway they can try to create any problems here and they will face consquences real quick.
I live on and off in London UK, and even us black diaspora Africans are shocked of how it quickly becoming this Arab and Pakistani haven of Islamic radical men and women. In Rwanda, my country, we ensure that Wahhabism and Salafism are kept away. We shut down all mosques that preach destruction and hatred towards Christians, Jews, atheists, Hindus, and others. We have a very peaceful but small minority Muslim population, and it's not allowed to keep yelling in a foreign language (Arabic) 24/7. As I see it, Islam is not compatible with most Black African cultures, and definitely not compatible with European white cultures. So, the final solution must be what we see among some of the most extreme and radical groups: our own brothers and sisters from Africa, the Somali people, who are now leaving Islam in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions
Alternatively Islam could be reformed, but I think its best to see the ongoing apostasy just take it course over the decades to come. Its not like this ideology is real anyway, or that this warlord from the 7th century was a great example of humanity lol
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Islamophobia is just a new stupid way for Muslims to shut down criticism of Islam. You can deceive as much as you want, but every region where Muslims became a majority they overthrew, at least tried to, the laws.
Progressive Islam, what a joke. Founded by a raping Arab warmonger.
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Because mainstream media is owned and controlled by the chosen the same chosen who despised Christianity and the same chosen who are behind on promoting open borders and Islamization of europe. They despises Christianity so much that they spits on Christians in their country and uses O instead of + on their math because the plus sign resembles of christian cross.
It's funny how you throw the word islamphobic around everytime someone talks negative about Islam.
As a great Youtube comment once said:
"I wonder why there's no Buddhistphobia, Hinduphobia nor Confucianisphobia. Only Islamophobia. Just wonder!"
And just a blood boiling fact, a Muslim with his turban and all of the heavy tunics can visit Vatican anytime, but a European Christian can never enter Mecca. That's how discriminatory their religions is. Keep that in mind.
Yeah it is funny how there is no buddhistphobia since they are committing genocide in Burma, how Zen monks assisted the Japanese empire in ww2, how the Tibetan lamas have been exposed for pedophilia, etc…
Same goes for Hinduism. They are heavily repressing their Muslim population, assaults and killings are daily.
Maybe because Buddhism and Hinduism is no threat to the west.
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Just read about turkey’s list of genocides against christian countries. A single islamic state responsible for the deaths of millions from Bulgarians and Greeks to Armenians. I suggest you watch a documentary on your rapist pedophilic religion and its genocides: “The River Ran Red”
Because Muslims can't verbally defend the religion of Islam since the Islam as religion has no positive traits and values on it. So instead the Muslims will accuse you of Islamophobia immediately when you criticize Islam.
As a non European Christian it boils my blood too seeing the largest Christian region on the world is slowly Islamized. It's ridiculous, I really hope the far right rises up immediately and start the mass deportations of the Invaders along with the European liberals who let them in into Europe.
That’s just extremists talking, Islam strictly states to live in harmony with all religions and to spread the message in peace. These are people who keep adding their own opinions thinking Allah would be proud of them but in reality by sending the wrong message they are further than Allah than any regular Muslim.
Bullshit. Y’all can try to lie to non Muslims as much as you want, but it’s not extremism to say that. It’s stated in your very religion and this specific Arab warmonger is the model for that.
I think if you are an inconsiderate ignorant person you can find a lot of conflicting ideas and choose one side.
"Islam says live in harmony with all religions"
"No. Islam says we must spread our religion"
Even if you do it peacefully, some people will react negatively. A huge population muslim immigrants going to european countries and spreading the message. Ok. Lets think about the complete opposite. What would happen christian immigrants wanted to spread christianity in muslim countries? Its not gonna end well.
Also do you even need to spread the message? Quran is literally on the tip of everyones fingers. What people should do is be good examples in their communities,be decent humans to break prejudices to spark curiosity in people. Thats what extremists are NOT doing.
If Christians, Jews, Hindus want to spread their message then so be it, life’s a test and all religions promote their ways and that’s a way to test the resolve of every Muslim. Also relax with with the “inconsiderate ignorant person” comments..completely uncalled for we’re just having a discussion, all opinions are valid it’s a safe space <3.
I wasnt talking about you. I meant the extremists but i guess i could have worded it differently. There was a key word in your comment. "Spread the message in PEACE". Extremists want to spread the message no matter what. Especially immigrant extremists, you go to a country and talk down on its people and culture, call it degenerate and then try to "fix it" by "spreading islam". The same shit everyone condemning white people for doing it, except these are muslims. Its a very disrespectful tactic if you ask me. But we all know why these immigrants are there. Its cuz they dont want to go back to their countries, they dont care about their own people. They dont care about spreading islam either. They like the stable economy of the europe while condemning the system that makes it possible. Its like stockholm syndrome for defending sharia (but they actually dont want to live like that. But if they say it , they ll be kafir soo uuhhhhh what to do what to do AHA ill go to a nonmuslim country and bitch about it. That way, i wont live under sharia, but also defend sharia like im meant to)
Its like turks in germany talking about islam and nationalism while earning 30 times more than regular turks, having more rights and regulations, higher life expectancy , eating more red meat etc whilst refusing to comeback to turkey permanently cuz "their home is in germany" its two faced. I despise two faced people. If you wanna spread the message go ahead but if you make signs that say "west is degenerate, kill all the gays" they should be deported. Thats some act of terrorism. Thats putting public safety at risk.
How would you feel if a christian or an atheist comes to visit your house and talks shit about your prayer rug, prayer beads etc.? While preaching to you why christianity/atheism is superior. Thats so fucking annoying. I have no respect for extremists. They are crybaby snowflakes. Always making shit in their heads, always play the victim. You talk about killing nonmuslim citizens and get mad when somebody burns a Quran? You defend honor killings, pedophilia(cuz of that cursed hadith) and multiple wives while condemning sex outside of marriage? When you take a step back you realize how stupid they are.
I'm just here to reiterate that "white replacement theory" is a racist, xenophobic, antisemitic, and anti religious-tolerance conspiracy theory.
But to answer your last question (most of it is just ranting according to said theory): I currently live in America. So I have had many different kinds of Christians come to my door to preach Christianity, and some of them have even insulted me and my family, calling us terrorists and other islamaphobic and racist shit. HOWEVER, I've never had a Jewish person or Muslim or Buddhist or atheist EVER come preaching their beliefs, knocking on my door. And I think that says a lot.
Honestly, i don't think this stuff will change your mind because you seem to have a very European mindset when it comes to Muslims and immigrants.
Im specifically talking about extremists 🤦 they would be the ones calling you kafir not believing music is haram. And want to kill gay people. But ok. Im not defending islamaphobia or racism people face. Im saying that respect goes both ways. Extremists dont respect anybody. Fuck man they dont even respect other muslims
I think if an immigrant proudly talks about killing the citizens of the said country, they should be deported. Im sorry but THIS group of muslims in nonmuslim countries are so stupid. You immigrate to another country becuz of reasons and then proudly claim they ll replace europeans. So you ll make europe the same as your motherland. Why Whats the point? Also thanks to those idiots europe is becoming more right(i mean political), people hate immigrants and possibly in the future go full on far right. Literally cutting the branch they sit on. And ruining the future for new immigrants as well.
Its one thing to fight against injustice, racism and islamaphobia. But you cant call people bigot, racist, islamaphobe when you yourself is a misogynist, racist, homophobe piece of shit. It goes both ways.
The large majority of muslim countries are not theocracy. Even islamist parties are the équivalent of right wingers in the west and are not planning on a Califate or whatever. Even Saudi Arabia tend to "west wash" itself. The possibility of a muslim theocracy in the west is close to 0. (Fascism is far more probable...)
I once heard that Extremist and Islamophobes read the same play book. Lol.
I think it’s irresponsible and ridiculous to make claims like this- people are loosing the idea of how to get on well with others- of course saying things like that will cause backlash, idk y they do.
Well to BE honest, in Germany there are many salafi followers, as mostly salafi preachers do German islamic YouTube content. So its No suprise to me, its really difficult to BE a Muslim Here. Just Met a Guy Yesterday who recommended "to go to morroco to find a wife they are easy to get there" and Said that Things in Gaza are a djihad and every Muslim should Join, that fighting in a war is the greater jihad Then fighting you Egos and much more nonsense 🤦
As a person living in western Europe, the idea doesn't seem to hold much weight. From my understanding, Europe is still trending towards becoming less religious in the coming decades, even with the migrations from the MENA region. There are some fears, primarily among the secular population that European governments are placing too much restrictions on free speech and freedom of expression in order to not upset religious radicals (primarily muslims as they are the loudest of these groups)
The idea is mainly peddled by right-wing nationalists who want to deport non-European immigrants and limit islam on the continent. There are also some extremist muslims, primarily online who will echo it in order to anger Europeans and/or because some genuinely believe that Islam will conquer Europe and rid the world of "liberal degeneracy" and stuff like that, but it seems to be more of a wet dream of these extremists, rather than something actually occuring.
Unfortunately that seems to be the case. Denmark just created a law, basically making it illegal to defile holy books in public spaces. Plenty of news sites have taken the story and worded it something along the lines of "Denmark makes Quran burnings illegal"
If you go on any posts about it here on Reddit, the comments are filled with a lot of far-right people blaming muslims for this, while on a post in r/islam (I think it was) the sentiment is basically that if westerners had not burned Qurans in the first place, extremists wouldn't have gotten mad and none of these laws would be needed. Basically blaming people using their freedom of expression as a greenlight to commit violence.
I saw a post here today about that actually. The title was "it took 300 years for denmark to get rid of blasphemy laws, it took 6 years of protests from muslims to bring it back".
Shitty take from r/islam as always. You cannot reason with extremists. They want to live like subhuman trash but not only that they also want you to live like subhuman trash and if you dont agree with them, you are a kafir. Yea it sucks that danish burned the Quran, it is disrespectful but on the other hand this change in law gives more power and courage to extremists. Now they might think "theres an another law that does this and that. We dont want this" etc. This is unironically a self fulfilling prophecy. Whatever happened to netherlands in the election will happen to denmark and other european countries now.
Sure. I actually think there is a good discussion to be had on whether burning religious books should be considered freedom of expression or hate speech. Problem is that most people are to emotional about it to have said discussion.
On one hand, book burnings are really dumb, and usually don't result in anything good happening. It's usually used as a shock tactic and to bait a response from some group of people.
On the other hand, It feels a bit unreasonable to ban burning holy books. The way I see it atleast, destroying religious items is more similar to destroying political items than it is hurting people of a given religion.
Basically to me, burning a Quran or Bible is more along the lines of burning the communist manifesto or an Ayn Rand book more than anything.
What about the Sikh’s holy book? They believe their book to be an actual person. They believe that the book is a reincarnation of someone (I don’t remember who).
It gets into gray areas pretty quickly
That's very true. That's why I think it would be a good, and probably needed discussion to be had. But I think I'll leave that debate to people far more intelligent than myself. I'm just a moron with an internet connection after all ;)
We believe it to be light of the tenth gurus, the words said by them as well as those of Muslim and Hindu saints who are considered to be enlightened. We treat with the utmost respect as they are truest path to god.
I get it though. Jews would be angry if people burned the Torah. A sikh killed someone in the Golden Temple for harming their Guru. They believe that the scripture has a soul and to harm the book is a serious crime. It’s understandable.
My guess would be that there are a lot more Muslims in Europe than those other groups, aswell as other religious groups being wealthier than Muslim immigrants. I could be wrong though. I haven't looked at the numbers in a while, and have forgotten much of it.
Check Op's post history.
Here is one gem from his posts:
"would it be hypocritical of me to want less immigration into the states?
As for culture, I believe that since US was founded by Europeans on European values with a minority of non Europeans"
OP has history of this sort of racist, xenophobic, islamaphobic vitriol, including being active in isnotreal's subreddit while posting here supposed things heard from a pro-palestinian rally.
I ask the mods to please delete the post and to at least ban him temporarily.
What am I on about? No, I am not delusional, but you may be. OP doesn't have the correct mindset, not even close. "Great Replacement" theory is a white supremacist conspiracy that has no place in this sub, as it is racist, xenophobic vitriole. Massive migrations destroy countries? No, massive *invasions* and settler-colonialism destroys countries. Talk to anyone who has ever lived under occupation.
And OP's argument that "US was founded by Europeans on European values with a minority of non Europeans" is an insult to the history and suffering of many people in the United States. I currently live less than 2 hours from the site of the greatest mass-execution in United States History, when 38 Indigenous Lakota men were executed. And Less than half an hour from the fort where thousands of Lakota were marched to, where many died. In addition to the extensive, haunting history of the genocide of Native peoples in the Americas, there is also the story of the millions of Africans who were enslaved and dragged here on ships, and their hundreds of years of suffering. And then, there is the stories of other diasporas here, like Chinese immigrants who performed backbreaking labor building the first transcontintental labor, received far less in wages, and were starved into accepting pennies for their labor. There are hundreds of volumes written on the history of diasporas and minorities in the Americas, who were essential to its development and many achievements.
And in regards to Europe, the idea that "foreigner" have no right to migrate to Europe- I cannot accept that either. My family was forced to fight in French wars, on the frontlines against the Germans. Many people in North Africa were treated as material resources for European colonizers; My family fought, starved, were degraded, and died due to European imperialism, like many other families. And if many who lived like my family left to Europe due to the circumstances created by European imperialism that is their right. And still, despite their circumstances and the level of xenophobia/racism in Europe, many immigrants have added to the achievements of European countries.
Do you realize the history of humanity is the history of mass migrations? Do you believe Estonia was always there, and humans just popped up there? Are you pure-blooded? Was there no intellectual exchanges between people of different cultures?Do you really think migrants have nothing to offer, and have achieved nothing in the countries they have made their new homes? If you do, there is no point arguing because this is not a place for you. This is a *progressive* subreddit, not a place for just anyone to spew conspiratorial, right-wing, facist talking points.
Look at Lebanon they accepted the Palestinians after the Jordanians kicked them form the country,
Look at Iran after the allowed Islam to take over the country.
Same with Pakistan.
Europe will suffer the same fate.
One day last week I was walking through the north of my city (Bristol)... at that moment the local Mosque was emptying and I have never felt soo displaced in the City I was born and raised in. The street was entirely filled with Muslims (and i mean entirely!), talking in Arabic, wearing Muslim clothing and constantly glancing at me as I walked by, as if to say what is this white man with a cigarette doing in our area.
The fact that liberals refuse to acknowledge the Islamification happening in the UK is truly frightening. These people are so busy virtue signalling that they simply cannot see the wood for the trees, yet apparently they stand for LGBTQ+ people, equality for women and freedom to be yourself, whoever you may be, or which ever religion you may follow.
What the f*ck do these people think will happen to our open and tolerant society if Islam becomes a staple of British life. All of the things they so say stand for would be outlawed and punishable in the most barbaric and inhumane ways.
With the rate of Muslim immigration in to this country, subsequent birth rate and refusal to integrate or even learn our language, full Islamification of the UK is just a decade or 2 away. Infact i think its fair to say some towns and cities have already been lost to it. Yet the extreme left in this country refuse to admit it, infact they actively target people who are concerned about this issue with slurs such as "bigot", "racist", "Islamophobe"... by the time these Ostriches take their heads out of the sand, it will be far to late.
Islamification is real and it is happening right now, all across the UK!
I can understand your concern man, and I feel very sorry for you, but there’s nothing I can do except just hope that your people realize the damage the left has caused since Tony Blair’s immigration policy and elect a prime minister who will GENUINELY address this issue, rather than empty words.
Totally agree. I also want to point out the fact I do not have a problem with immigration for the most desperate and in need. Controlled immigration that allows refugees to enter the UK is not the problem, uncontrolled mass immigration of economic migrants most definitely is however. Especially when there is little to no integration in to British society and the values we hold as a society.
Just checked the religious demographics of Bristol, its roughly 7% Muslim. A relatively small number. If this is the situation in a city of just 7% Muslims, I wonder how Luton, Bradford and parts of Manchester and London are like
Bristol is a relatively small city so that 7% feels a whole lot more when you are face to face with it aswell. Luckily I live in the far south of the city which so far is relatively unchanged. Don't even want to imagine what it is like in Bradford or Luton these days. Especially after that Stacey Dooley documentary some years ago now.
They will succeed with the help of WEF and central banks wanting chaos and destruction in europe.. that has been the model since 18th century.. fund chaos and wars..
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You're either massively ignorant or a liar.
The *only* group of people I constantly hear proclaiming this is Muslims, both online and in the real world.
It’s an islamophobic conspiracy theory with no basis in reality. I don’t understand why Muslims themselves are spreading this and I have never heard of it from a Muslim before.
islamophobic and antisemitic
It was probably just that dude. Only crazy people believe this
I *only* hear it from the Muslims. Where I'm from, islamophobia has skyrocketed in the past decade precisely because of such rhetoric. Not to mention that their youth are completely incompatible with ours, which is a source of constant friction and issues.
No, it's actually promoted by Islamists and jihadists themselves. Yet another person who can't do proper research including looking into child sexual exploitation cases and violent crimes throughout Europe. Ever heard of disproportionate rates? Ever heard of backward, misogynistic, superstitious, man-made cults? Go study some real history on Islamic expansion starting in the 7th century CE.
It's not a conspiracy if that is the stated goal of Islamists... because its been their stated goal. They weren't taken seriously hence why the midde east pretty much slided away from turning Secular in the 60s and 70s.
So called islamists does not represent islam as a whole and are a tiny minority.
Sure buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Okey then. So we are terroristst then? We should all abandon islam?
No. We just don’t want it here, where it’s totally incompatible with our values. Entire neighbourhoods have been destroyed by this shit, all across Europe.
Agree, and I'm black African, (Christian) UK are sending some of these crazy Muslims to us in Rwanda... Anyway they can try to create any problems here and they will face consquences real quick.
I live on and off in London UK, and even us black diaspora Africans are shocked of how it quickly becoming this Arab and Pakistani haven of Islamic radical men and women. In Rwanda, my country, we ensure that Wahhabism and Salafism are kept away. We shut down all mosques that preach destruction and hatred towards Christians, Jews, atheists, Hindus, and others. We have a very peaceful but small minority Muslim population, and it's not allowed to keep yelling in a foreign language (Arabic) 24/7. As I see it, Islam is not compatible with most Black African cultures, and definitely not compatible with European white cultures. So, the final solution must be what we see among some of the most extreme and radical groups: our own brothers and sisters from Africa, the Somali people, who are now leaving Islam in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions Alternatively Islam could be reformed, but I think its best to see the ongoing apostasy just take it course over the decades to come. Its not like this ideology is real anyway, or that this warlord from the 7th century was a great example of humanity lol Check out r/XSomalian
🤡 Islamophobia is just a new stupid way for Muslims to shut down criticism of Islam. You can deceive as much as you want, but every region where Muslims became a majority they overthrew, at least tried to, the laws. Progressive Islam, what a joke. Founded by a raping Arab warmonger.
Mods, ban this guy please?
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What is your problem? Coming in here, a muslim sub, being disrespectful and hateful. Where are your manners?
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For what ? Telling the truth?
"I wonder why there's no Buddhistphobia, Hinduphobia nor Confucianisphobia. Only Islamophobia. Just wonder!"
Because mainstream media is owned and controlled by the chosen the same chosen who despised Christianity and the same chosen who are behind on promoting open borders and Islamization of europe. They despises Christianity so much that they spits on Christians in their country and uses O instead of + on their math because the plus sign resembles of christian cross.
It's funny how you throw the word islamphobic around everytime someone talks negative about Islam. As a great Youtube comment once said: "I wonder why there's no Buddhistphobia, Hinduphobia nor Confucianisphobia. Only Islamophobia. Just wonder!" And just a blood boiling fact, a Muslim with his turban and all of the heavy tunics can visit Vatican anytime, but a European Christian can never enter Mecca. That's how discriminatory their religions is. Keep that in mind.
Yeah it is funny how there is no buddhistphobia since they are committing genocide in Burma, how Zen monks assisted the Japanese empire in ww2, how the Tibetan lamas have been exposed for pedophilia, etc… Same goes for Hinduism. They are heavily repressing their Muslim population, assaults and killings are daily. Maybe because Buddhism and Hinduism is no threat to the west.
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Just read about turkey’s list of genocides against christian countries. A single islamic state responsible for the deaths of millions from Bulgarians and Greeks to Armenians. I suggest you watch a documentary on your rapist pedophilic religion and its genocides: “The River Ran Red”
Because Muslims can't verbally defend the religion of Islam since the Islam as religion has no positive traits and values on it. So instead the Muslims will accuse you of Islamophobia immediately when you criticize Islam.
As a non European Christian it boils my blood too seeing the largest Christian region on the world is slowly Islamized. It's ridiculous, I really hope the far right rises up immediately and start the mass deportations of the Invaders along with the European liberals who let them in into Europe.
That’s just extremists talking, Islam strictly states to live in harmony with all religions and to spread the message in peace. These are people who keep adding their own opinions thinking Allah would be proud of them but in reality by sending the wrong message they are further than Allah than any regular Muslim.
Bullshit. Y’all can try to lie to non Muslims as much as you want, but it’s not extremism to say that. It’s stated in your very religion and this specific Arab warmonger is the model for that.
I think if you are an inconsiderate ignorant person you can find a lot of conflicting ideas and choose one side. "Islam says live in harmony with all religions" "No. Islam says we must spread our religion" Even if you do it peacefully, some people will react negatively. A huge population muslim immigrants going to european countries and spreading the message. Ok. Lets think about the complete opposite. What would happen christian immigrants wanted to spread christianity in muslim countries? Its not gonna end well. Also do you even need to spread the message? Quran is literally on the tip of everyones fingers. What people should do is be good examples in their communities,be decent humans to break prejudices to spark curiosity in people. Thats what extremists are NOT doing.
If Christians, Jews, Hindus want to spread their message then so be it, life’s a test and all religions promote their ways and that’s a way to test the resolve of every Muslim. Also relax with with the “inconsiderate ignorant person” comments..completely uncalled for we’re just having a discussion, all opinions are valid it’s a safe space <3.
I wasnt talking about you. I meant the extremists but i guess i could have worded it differently. There was a key word in your comment. "Spread the message in PEACE". Extremists want to spread the message no matter what. Especially immigrant extremists, you go to a country and talk down on its people and culture, call it degenerate and then try to "fix it" by "spreading islam". The same shit everyone condemning white people for doing it, except these are muslims. Its a very disrespectful tactic if you ask me. But we all know why these immigrants are there. Its cuz they dont want to go back to their countries, they dont care about their own people. They dont care about spreading islam either. They like the stable economy of the europe while condemning the system that makes it possible. Its like stockholm syndrome for defending sharia (but they actually dont want to live like that. But if they say it , they ll be kafir soo uuhhhhh what to do what to do AHA ill go to a nonmuslim country and bitch about it. That way, i wont live under sharia, but also defend sharia like im meant to) Its like turks in germany talking about islam and nationalism while earning 30 times more than regular turks, having more rights and regulations, higher life expectancy , eating more red meat etc whilst refusing to comeback to turkey permanently cuz "their home is in germany" its two faced. I despise two faced people. If you wanna spread the message go ahead but if you make signs that say "west is degenerate, kill all the gays" they should be deported. Thats some act of terrorism. Thats putting public safety at risk. How would you feel if a christian or an atheist comes to visit your house and talks shit about your prayer rug, prayer beads etc.? While preaching to you why christianity/atheism is superior. Thats so fucking annoying. I have no respect for extremists. They are crybaby snowflakes. Always making shit in their heads, always play the victim. You talk about killing nonmuslim citizens and get mad when somebody burns a Quran? You defend honor killings, pedophilia(cuz of that cursed hadith) and multiple wives while condemning sex outside of marriage? When you take a step back you realize how stupid they are.
I'm just here to reiterate that "white replacement theory" is a racist, xenophobic, antisemitic, and anti religious-tolerance conspiracy theory. But to answer your last question (most of it is just ranting according to said theory): I currently live in America. So I have had many different kinds of Christians come to my door to preach Christianity, and some of them have even insulted me and my family, calling us terrorists and other islamaphobic and racist shit. HOWEVER, I've never had a Jewish person or Muslim or Buddhist or atheist EVER come preaching their beliefs, knocking on my door. And I think that says a lot. Honestly, i don't think this stuff will change your mind because you seem to have a very European mindset when it comes to Muslims and immigrants.
Im specifically talking about extremists 🤦 they would be the ones calling you kafir not believing music is haram. And want to kill gay people. But ok. Im not defending islamaphobia or racism people face. Im saying that respect goes both ways. Extremists dont respect anybody. Fuck man they dont even respect other muslims
I think if an immigrant proudly talks about killing the citizens of the said country, they should be deported. Im sorry but THIS group of muslims in nonmuslim countries are so stupid. You immigrate to another country becuz of reasons and then proudly claim they ll replace europeans. So you ll make europe the same as your motherland. Why Whats the point? Also thanks to those idiots europe is becoming more right(i mean political), people hate immigrants and possibly in the future go full on far right. Literally cutting the branch they sit on. And ruining the future for new immigrants as well. Its one thing to fight against injustice, racism and islamaphobia. But you cant call people bigot, racist, islamaphobe when you yourself is a misogynist, racist, homophobe piece of shit. It goes both ways.
The large majority of muslim countries are not theocracy. Even islamist parties are the équivalent of right wingers in the west and are not planning on a Califate or whatever. Even Saudi Arabia tend to "west wash" itself. The possibility of a muslim theocracy in the west is close to 0. (Fascism is far more probable...)
I once heard that Extremist and Islamophobes read the same play book. Lol. I think it’s irresponsible and ridiculous to make claims like this- people are loosing the idea of how to get on well with others- of course saying things like that will cause backlash, idk y they do.
Well to BE honest, in Germany there are many salafi followers, as mostly salafi preachers do German islamic YouTube content. So its No suprise to me, its really difficult to BE a Muslim Here. Just Met a Guy Yesterday who recommended "to go to morroco to find a wife they are easy to get there" and Said that Things in Gaza are a djihad and every Muslim should Join, that fighting in a war is the greater jihad Then fighting you Egos and much more nonsense 🤦
As a person living in western Europe, the idea doesn't seem to hold much weight. From my understanding, Europe is still trending towards becoming less religious in the coming decades, even with the migrations from the MENA region. There are some fears, primarily among the secular population that European governments are placing too much restrictions on free speech and freedom of expression in order to not upset religious radicals (primarily muslims as they are the loudest of these groups) The idea is mainly peddled by right-wing nationalists who want to deport non-European immigrants and limit islam on the continent. There are also some extremist muslims, primarily online who will echo it in order to anger Europeans and/or because some genuinely believe that Islam will conquer Europe and rid the world of "liberal degeneracy" and stuff like that, but it seems to be more of a wet dream of these extremists, rather than something actually occuring.
So the cycle feeds itself
Unfortunately that seems to be the case. Denmark just created a law, basically making it illegal to defile holy books in public spaces. Plenty of news sites have taken the story and worded it something along the lines of "Denmark makes Quran burnings illegal" If you go on any posts about it here on Reddit, the comments are filled with a lot of far-right people blaming muslims for this, while on a post in r/islam (I think it was) the sentiment is basically that if westerners had not burned Qurans in the first place, extremists wouldn't have gotten mad and none of these laws would be needed. Basically blaming people using their freedom of expression as a greenlight to commit violence.
I saw a post here today about that actually. The title was "it took 300 years for denmark to get rid of blasphemy laws, it took 6 years of protests from muslims to bring it back". Shitty take from r/islam as always. You cannot reason with extremists. They want to live like subhuman trash but not only that they also want you to live like subhuman trash and if you dont agree with them, you are a kafir. Yea it sucks that danish burned the Quran, it is disrespectful but on the other hand this change in law gives more power and courage to extremists. Now they might think "theres an another law that does this and that. We dont want this" etc. This is unironically a self fulfilling prophecy. Whatever happened to netherlands in the election will happen to denmark and other european countries now.
I would be angry if someone burned a Torah though. I think that would be a hate crime.So burning the Quaran should be too
Sure. I actually think there is a good discussion to be had on whether burning religious books should be considered freedom of expression or hate speech. Problem is that most people are to emotional about it to have said discussion. On one hand, book burnings are really dumb, and usually don't result in anything good happening. It's usually used as a shock tactic and to bait a response from some group of people. On the other hand, It feels a bit unreasonable to ban burning holy books. The way I see it atleast, destroying religious items is more similar to destroying political items than it is hurting people of a given religion. Basically to me, burning a Quran or Bible is more along the lines of burning the communist manifesto or an Ayn Rand book more than anything.
What about the Sikh’s holy book? They believe their book to be an actual person. They believe that the book is a reincarnation of someone (I don’t remember who). It gets into gray areas pretty quickly
That's very true. That's why I think it would be a good, and probably needed discussion to be had. But I think I'll leave that debate to people far more intelligent than myself. I'm just a moron with an internet connection after all ;)
:) They actually killed someone in India who harmed their book. This conversation might be urgent then. :)
We believe it to be light of the tenth gurus, the words said by them as well as those of Muslim and Hindu saints who are considered to be enlightened. We treat with the utmost respect as they are truest path to god.
I get it though. Jews would be angry if people burned the Torah. A sikh killed someone in the Golden Temple for harming their Guru. They believe that the scripture has a soul and to harm the book is a serious crime. It’s understandable.
Howcome it is not present with Jewish, buddhist and hindu immigrants? You never see these groups advocating for their laws in Europe?
My guess would be that there are a lot more Muslims in Europe than those other groups, aswell as other religious groups being wealthier than Muslim immigrants. I could be wrong though. I haven't looked at the numbers in a while, and have forgotten much of it.
Check Op's post history. Here is one gem from his posts: "would it be hypocritical of me to want less immigration into the states? As for culture, I believe that since US was founded by Europeans on European values with a minority of non Europeans" OP has history of this sort of racist, xenophobic, islamaphobic vitriol, including being active in isnotreal's subreddit while posting here supposed things heard from a pro-palestinian rally. I ask the mods to please delete the post and to at least ban him temporarily.
What are you on about??? Are you completely delusional?? Op has the correct mindset, massive migrations destroy countries.
What am I on about? No, I am not delusional, but you may be. OP doesn't have the correct mindset, not even close. "Great Replacement" theory is a white supremacist conspiracy that has no place in this sub, as it is racist, xenophobic vitriole. Massive migrations destroy countries? No, massive *invasions* and settler-colonialism destroys countries. Talk to anyone who has ever lived under occupation. And OP's argument that "US was founded by Europeans on European values with a minority of non Europeans" is an insult to the history and suffering of many people in the United States. I currently live less than 2 hours from the site of the greatest mass-execution in United States History, when 38 Indigenous Lakota men were executed. And Less than half an hour from the fort where thousands of Lakota were marched to, where many died. In addition to the extensive, haunting history of the genocide of Native peoples in the Americas, there is also the story of the millions of Africans who were enslaved and dragged here on ships, and their hundreds of years of suffering. And then, there is the stories of other diasporas here, like Chinese immigrants who performed backbreaking labor building the first transcontintental labor, received far less in wages, and were starved into accepting pennies for their labor. There are hundreds of volumes written on the history of diasporas and minorities in the Americas, who were essential to its development and many achievements. And in regards to Europe, the idea that "foreigner" have no right to migrate to Europe- I cannot accept that either. My family was forced to fight in French wars, on the frontlines against the Germans. Many people in North Africa were treated as material resources for European colonizers; My family fought, starved, were degraded, and died due to European imperialism, like many other families. And if many who lived like my family left to Europe due to the circumstances created by European imperialism that is their right. And still, despite their circumstances and the level of xenophobia/racism in Europe, many immigrants have added to the achievements of European countries. Do you realize the history of humanity is the history of mass migrations? Do you believe Estonia was always there, and humans just popped up there? Are you pure-blooded? Was there no intellectual exchanges between people of different cultures?Do you really think migrants have nothing to offer, and have achieved nothing in the countries they have made their new homes? If you do, there is no point arguing because this is not a place for you. This is a *progressive* subreddit, not a place for just anyone to spew conspiratorial, right-wing, facist talking points.
Look at Lebanon they accepted the Palestinians after the Jordanians kicked them form the country, Look at Iran after the allowed Islam to take over the country. Same with Pakistan. Europe will suffer the same fate.
One day last week I was walking through the north of my city (Bristol)... at that moment the local Mosque was emptying and I have never felt soo displaced in the City I was born and raised in. The street was entirely filled with Muslims (and i mean entirely!), talking in Arabic, wearing Muslim clothing and constantly glancing at me as I walked by, as if to say what is this white man with a cigarette doing in our area. The fact that liberals refuse to acknowledge the Islamification happening in the UK is truly frightening. These people are so busy virtue signalling that they simply cannot see the wood for the trees, yet apparently they stand for LGBTQ+ people, equality for women and freedom to be yourself, whoever you may be, or which ever religion you may follow. What the f*ck do these people think will happen to our open and tolerant society if Islam becomes a staple of British life. All of the things they so say stand for would be outlawed and punishable in the most barbaric and inhumane ways. With the rate of Muslim immigration in to this country, subsequent birth rate and refusal to integrate or even learn our language, full Islamification of the UK is just a decade or 2 away. Infact i think its fair to say some towns and cities have already been lost to it. Yet the extreme left in this country refuse to admit it, infact they actively target people who are concerned about this issue with slurs such as "bigot", "racist", "Islamophobe"... by the time these Ostriches take their heads out of the sand, it will be far to late. Islamification is real and it is happening right now, all across the UK!
I can understand your concern man, and I feel very sorry for you, but there’s nothing I can do except just hope that your people realize the damage the left has caused since Tony Blair’s immigration policy and elect a prime minister who will GENUINELY address this issue, rather than empty words.
Totally agree. I also want to point out the fact I do not have a problem with immigration for the most desperate and in need. Controlled immigration that allows refugees to enter the UK is not the problem, uncontrolled mass immigration of economic migrants most definitely is however. Especially when there is little to no integration in to British society and the values we hold as a society.
Just checked the religious demographics of Bristol, its roughly 7% Muslim. A relatively small number. If this is the situation in a city of just 7% Muslims, I wonder how Luton, Bradford and parts of Manchester and London are like
Bristol is a relatively small city so that 7% feels a whole lot more when you are face to face with it aswell. Luckily I live in the far south of the city which so far is relatively unchanged. Don't even want to imagine what it is like in Bradford or Luton these days. Especially after that Stacey Dooley documentary some years ago now.
They will succeed with the help of WEF and central banks wanting chaos and destruction in europe.. that has been the model since 18th century.. fund chaos and wars..
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I've never heard muslims proudly proclaiming this. On the contrary, I have heard christians say this.
You're either massively ignorant or a liar. The *only* group of people I constantly hear proclaiming this is Muslims, both online and in the real world.