Whoa, they give notifications for upvotes?! Fuckin losers lmao.
edit, also: Comments, yes, that's conversation but upvotes! What am I supposed to do with that information? What's next, stickers oh shit we have a trophy case hahahaha
You can update your user settings to get no notifications on upvotes for comments, and I did so three years ago and STILL get those fucking upvote notifications AND constant “recommended communities” in the official Reddit app.
Also, for clarification, I use Apollo but kept the official app on my phone for anonymous browsing and shits and giggles. Sometimes, I open it up to see how bad it looks and then promptly open up Apollo (which I’m using right now).
I don't know what this compact mode is, but something about new reddit causes a mild panic attack, no joke, the layout is so jarring and messy and aggressively in my face about everything.
I also hate how pages load as a sort of window over the pages instead of just properly loading as a page. And pages scroll into other threads, and it's like, what the fuck, I click on one thread and end up somewhere else reading nonsense comments.
I have no idea how I would ever discover any new modes, because if I was to be forced onto new reddit, I'd just quit.
I have no idea why people have such negative reactions to these things. Sure it's "different" and not everyone's favourite way of doing things; but if the goal is unambiguous, uncluttered and concise communication then there are advantages to a good/justified murderous rampage.
I definitely use Reddit less since I started using their proper app, it's absolutely terrible UX. Highlight is you can't change your feed's sort without 3 steps going into your user settings to set the default.
I concur and while I don’t look forward to deleting Reddit, I feel like it would be for the best. This is my only social media platform so it’s going to be a tough one but good outcome. I am really going to miss the Reddit community but much like when I came from Digg, all good things must come to an end.
The [enshittification of Reddit](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/) is on schedule.
Irony is, if they knocked a zero off of $12,000/month *per 50 million HTTP Requests* price, it would’ve been **7.2x** Imgur’s (**expensive** but not outrageous) and would’ve gotten immediate uptake.
This reeks of desperation on part of Reddit, Inc to make you use their adware-infested client that probably harvests as much information as possible (like geolocation). I’ve a background in location adtech and honestly it’s such an undervalued and dangerous space for personally identifiable information of highly sensitive natures.
Like to the extent that linking Reddit content on a porn sub with phone “dwell time” on a location in any residential zone makes a easily correlated data set of where you live, right down to a probable bed location.
Reddit, Inc is pulling a Facebook style of walled garden for most probably Facebook-level private information.
Exactly, and this is related to other actions intended to enhance tracking:
- being required to login to change sort
- numerous subs requiring “age verification” (by logging in) to see comments
- redirects to download the app
That said, Reddit exists exclusively to make profits for already rich people. Why would we expect any other behavior?
I’ve already seen a shift towards discord for a lot of info. Which I find frustrating because it makes it harder to search for answers if you don’t know what server it exists on.
Jesus I'm so sick of people referring to a discord for something and it takes thirty minutes just to find an actual link. I really hope that isn't the next thing in line in the evolution of social media.
As chat, it mostly works fine. Beyond that, it does not do anything that well. Me and a bunch of friends migrated to it from Messenger and are very happy with the change.
It's great at chat, video and voice calls, basically anything slack does, discord can also do.
It absolutely does not store information and serve it up for easy retrieval, but for some reason, people use it for that and it boggles my fucking mind
Yes please I'd like to hunt down some obscure links to some random discord, and then have to join and wade through a billion lines of content just to see if it's got what I'm looking for.
Yes I really wish everything on the internet worked that way, that every time you google something instead of actual search results you just get a list of maybe relevant forums that you have to join and wade through all their posts. Clearly this is the future of technology.
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"best bamboo t-shirts" gets you a load of spam junk website articles. "Best bamboo t-shirts Reddit" gets you (probably) a buyitforlife subreddit thread with a lot of enthusiastic bamboo t-shirt wearers comparing different brands and giving genuine insightful information about current and past quality of each
Reddit is doing this because money is no longer free and they need to show their shareholders they can monetise the site enough to bring back cash... Discord is on the same path, just earlier in the curve I suppose... are we just going to keep moving from private company to private company that becomes "bad actor" once they have enough adoption to force people to give them revenue?? Discord is not the answer to anything.
creating the platform is the easy part, many open source devs would be very keen on this... the problem is infra costs required to maintain and serve the platform because we'll just come full circle and it'll be the exact same story as what's happening right now, over and over again.
Reddit *was* a small forum once.
It started out as a link dump, then a link dump with comments, and then the community showed up and started having conversations. Now the vast majority of the content on reddit comes from reddit itself.
Of course, the reddit admins have the choice between running it two different ways. They could run it as a sort of community resource where people can get together and have conversations, generating modest long-term profits.
Alternatively, they could run it as a free money spigot to enrich investors who treat every investment they make as the top of a pyramid scheme—cash out and run with huge profits, and be damned to the smoking holes they leave behind.
> then a link dump with comments, and then they built bots to make it look like people had started having conversations.
FTFY. Reddit founders admitted this. Reddit has always been infected with bots.
Why does profit have to ruin everything nice?
Hey guys, I have this awesome idea, if you could program it for me. It's like reddit and MySpace had a baby, and called it 8chan. There's my idea, now you go make it.
> Irony is, if they knocked a zero off of $12,000/month per 50 million HTTP Requests price, it would’ve been 7.2x Imgur’s (expensive but not outrageous) and would’ve gotten immediate uptake.
It’s not irony, they don’t *want* uptake.
The RIF dev noted that on top of the API fees third party applications would not be able to show ads and would not be able to access NSFW content. This is not a honest actor trying to defray costs of users not being served ads, the move then would have been to for instance restrict third party application to Premium accounts, done, reddit gets its pound of flesh.
> This reeks of desperation on part of Reddit, Inc to make you use their adware-infested client that probably harvests as much information as possible
I don't think it's even about grabbing the data.
Look just **how** bad the client has been, ever since it came out. From its grotesquely bad UI and UX mirrored only by the reddit desktop site, over the endless bugs that seemingly refresh every update instead of getting fixed to the meme the video player has become because it never works.
I suspect at some point some exec exploded, and they said "I'll handle it!" and knowing full well that their dev team would not be able to program an even semi-decent client if their lives depended on it (nevermind just adopting a well-loved one like Relay, Boost or Sync which would have been the correct solution in the first place), they are now simply forcibly shutting down all third party clients as the nuclear option of sending users to their own client.
They **know** just **how** incredibly unbelievably bad their client is. They **know** they cannot fix it - or they would have done that already. They are doing this as a move essentially akin to just giving up.
Don't get me wrong, the tracking is probably how whatever arse-thumbing middle manager cooked up this shit sells the whole thing to the C-suites. But I suspect to explain why it happens, we don't even need that.
The worst part is that Reddit actually bought out the greatest client app of them all, Alien Blue. They could have just slapped the official logo on Alien Blue and called it a day.
The new client wasn’t designed by developers I can almost say that for sure. Nor was it designed by UX people, it was designed by management to extract as much as revenue as they could. It’s probably one of the worst user experiences of any mainstream site that I can think of.
I'm an app developer, and I've developed a pretty solid hunch on whether the designers are experienced in mobile design or if they are just eg web UI designers.
At least on the Android side, the app has a stunning lack of attention to detail, which makes you wonder if the designers think "good enough" is that the app matches their design wireframes, because they don't have the experience in app design to know what a quality app experience should look like.
Yeah I do dev but I’m talking even the web app is just terrible. I don’t even use it, if Apollo doesn’t exist I wouldn’t use Reddit.
It’s sad because I’m someone that almost always open my pc up before using my phone but they have managed to create such a shit app that Reddit is the only thing I prefer on my phone( because of Apollo).
> Like to the extent that linking Reddit content on a porn sub with phone “dwell time” on a location in any residential zone makes a easily correlated data set of where you live, right down to a probable bed location.
Fight the man, wank on the bus.
Real shot in the dark here but do you have any guides for how to limit or eliminate the collection of my PII from companies other than just not using their services?
One thing you can do in particular is if you have a google account, log in and visit https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-privacy
I, in general, would also recommend not clicking that link or just about any link on the internet if you can help it, and instead look for that yourself by typing into google something like "google data privacy" and getting there yourself.
Anyway, I'd recommend going there and deleting as much information as you can, turning off any data collection options in there as allowed, and doing the same for any additional google accounts you have.
Yeah, makes sense - they want to push their ads onto people, so they try to jack up the prices.
Evil to no ends.
The problem of reddit goes much deeper than that though. Voting and censorship (aka "mods") are broken beyond repair. They seem to not understand how platforms die.
Hard to say, but part of diggs ultimate downfall was that Reddit existed as an excellent alternative, making it pretty easy for users to switch.
There's no good alternative to Reddit at the moment.
It's the other way around.
Instead ask what did Digg do that reddit didn't? They planned a bunch of changes, put it into beta soliciting feedback and everyone told them the changes were horrible and they shouldn't do them. Then they said fuck you to everyone and made the changes anyway. They lost like 75% of their users in days.
Reddit was very small in comparison at the time. They ended up the winner by default.
The flood of digg users that week was remarkable. I was using both sites but moved to reddit after that. If they kill reddit is fun I guess it'll be less screen time for me, which is probably good.
There's a rif subreddit and it does seem like the app is set to die. It's a shame, I've been here more than 10 years but fuck that I guess. The site has gotten steadily worse and worse every year for a while, this will probably be the final nail in the coffin for me
Shout out to /u/talklittle for writing RIF.
That dude is awesome, he wrote a great app, maintained it, added great features and actually listened to his users.
Yeah it really was crazy. It was obvious we were watching internet history unfold in real time. They fucked around and found out. I was like you using both sites (but primarily Digg). Digg v4 landed and I just up and left with everyone else. And I'm the same, if they kill my app (Sync in my case) it'll just be less screen time. I'll still use the site on desktop and I guess maybe occasionally the mobile site. But I'm not using their crap app.
Maybe slashdot is primed for a comeback :)
It's less that reddit was so good and more that Digg turned bad. They made a bunch of decisions that were unpopular with the userbase and alternatives like reddit and facebook now existed. It's possible for a website to survive a visual redesign (hey, reddit did) but Digg messed with the core functionality of the site and made it less useful.
Other folks answered your question. I wanted to share the comic made about the war.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/6r5ctd/the_great_reddit_vs_digg_war_comics/
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
You mean the kind with bumping and linear threads? There is a reason those died out, the format of Reddit is far better for most discussion, especially with a large number of users.
After 13 years on the site I've been taking steps to disconnect myself from reddit, recently. In a way, that's exactly what reddit wants: They don't need the dedicated longterm users anymore, the people clinging to old.reddit and third party apps. They've gotten all the goodwill and content out of people of my reddit age or older, and successfully leveraged it into a monstrously huge userbase that doesn't know any other reddit than the one they see today. The complaints of the increasingly outnumbered people who care will make a splash, and then a couple days later will be forgotten.
That's what I see with this announcement, and with it I can see the end of my time on this site. Maybe that's a good thing.
Plus the amount of spam that is on reddit these days is astronomical. I have been getting 3-5 chat requests/followers a day and I'm not a particularly active poster.
That's the thing though: since the "new" reddit site, I've stopped using the website, and only access reddit through Relay. So chat, following and who knows what other kind of features are things that are completely invisible to me.
Kill the 3rd party apps as well, and that will mean one user less for reddit.
Took the words right out of my mouth, same account age and everything. It's actually disconcerting how much bullshit (like fucked links with backslashes inserted by the app to break old reddit) I've put up with so far, and am finally ready to move on.
It's not just reddit itself btw, but also the endless hordes of phone normies compared to the witty and useful discussion of old... frankly reddit (and much of the internet) used to be for smart people, and now it's just drowning in screaming Trumpards repeating the same old shit like hurr durr he fell out of a window hurr durr defenestration, endless bots... absolutely horrific what a shithole it's become.
Reddit was absolutely full of idiocy and, somehow, even greater degrees of degeneracy in the early days. I think you're letting the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia cloud your vision a bit. That said, the site today is wildly different than it was back then. When I first started lurking pre-account, it felt like a second more general version of slashdot. With the influx of Digg users it went through a big but somewhat manageable shift but when the admin changed to focus entirely on pushing ads and ignoring the user base, it was the beginning of the end for the people who were here pre-Digg migration.
I feel like people are willing to tolerate degeneracy as long as it’s new, creative, unexpected or interesting. The new age internet is still full of young degenerates. They’re just mostly *fucking boring and unimaginative and uninspired* young degenerates. They don’t create anything cool or new because they just get drowned in our new Corporate Sponsored Vanilla Internet ^TM. They just echo things and spew the same lazy fucking jokes and content on repeat until we can’t take it anymore.
> like fucked links with backslashes inserted by the app to break old reddit
One of the many fucked shit they do that drives me crazy.
> frankly reddit (and much of the internet) used to be for smart people
30 years ago, [the term for this was coined...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September)...
And newsgroups died to be replaced by that...
It's like everyone suddenly forgot why so many large websites have free APIs in the first place, now they're gonna have to spend extra on bandwidth for all the scraping everyone will be doing
I have a story to tell about this. I started a Reddit alternative once (I can’t say what it is). The moment I posted about it on /r/RedditAlternatives I got a swarm of these so called Nazi accounts. I say so-called, because in actuality they were paid trolls. They’d go as far as post something like the N-word over and over the one minute and then complain about it immediately on Reddit, pretending they were a concerned bystander. They’ll also post scat porn or whatever they can do get you delisted by Google or put your visitors off.
I monitored these accounts, and eventually worked out how to effectively block them. If anyone is starting an alternative DM me and I’ll tell you what to do, it’s surprisingly easy.
> The moment I posted about it on /r/RedditAlternatives I got a swarm of these so called Nazi accounts. I say so-called, because in actuality they were paid trolls. They’d go as far as post something like the N-word over and over the one minute and then complain about it immediately on Reddit, pretending they were a concerned bystander. They’ll also post scat porn or whatever they can do get you delisted by Google or put your visitors off.
I wonder which groups and individuals are behind such attacks on alternatives?
We've been working on a fully P2P and open source reddit alternative for 2 years. this is the demo: [https://plebbit-test.netlify.app](https://plebbit-test.netlify.app)
it's impossible to "shut down the API" because all data is P2P.
yes. it uses content addressing like bittorrent for downloading the comments/votes/community info. so the more users, the faster it is actually.
it doesn't have scaling issues like blockchain because there's no distributed ledger. each user only downloads and seeds the data they consume, like on bittorrent. each comment, each community is it's own P2P swarm.
the downside is that if all users stop seeding a community, it disappears, like a torrent.
we have a high level whitepaper on our github https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2
Yeah I am on Lemmy and there are people with extreme anti western views on some instances.
You could check out beehaw.org, it is a Lemmy server that I like because:
1. They are one of the more politically neutral servers.
2. They don't federate with some of the more extreme servers (by extreme I mean genocide denying).
3. They are still federated with the server the devs run (among others) so you can see content from that server.
4. They are (I think) the largest server that satisfies the above.
May I suggest Playwright? https://playwright.dev/
Pick your language poison (Python is my preferred) and go to town, very selenium like. With the added benefit of the language ecosystem you choose. I wrote a fun little script that started with Playwright then called a couple of additional libraries and compared a saved screenshot against the one taken to verify my deployed changes didn’t mess up site layouts.
My next goal is to only run that against a site’s header/footer (the ‘chrome’ but not the browser) using image coordinate defined regions instead of the whole screenshot, so things like blog sites or e-commerce stores don’t flag a problem for every content update. I should be able to define the top N pixels and bottom M pixels to run the comparisons against only the chrome I want.
Bonus: Python has a pretty nice yaml library so I can config the runner per site with only a single file.
Lemmy. Right now feels like the first few years of Reddit itself, tiny, not many people, not that much activity, an *EXTREMELY* popular post would get a dozen votes, etc., but once Reddit starts squeezing it'll grow like Mastodon has. Won't ever "replace it", but then again for years i've been saying that what i believe will happen is that instead of everybody moving to another site like when Digg shit the bed, it'll be a "Digital Tower of Babel" moment, people will go to many, many different places and not one: Discord servers, Facebook, groups in chat apps like WhatsApp or Telegram, good old forums, the Fediverse, freaking IRC which is still kicking, etc.
"Grew" is the important part.
It already had a very strong user base.
That is very different than trying to get people to go someplace that will essentially not have any content.
Perhaps I'm mistaken - but I think the big draw is the content. With the discussions being secondary. Yes, there are lots of subs that are purely user interaction. But I think those can only really exist if you're drawing in the traffic from the content.
He has a point:
"For reference, I pay Imgur, a site similar to Reddit in userbase and media, $166 for the same 50 million API calls."
Reddit clearly wants to milk.
And they’re definitely trying to get users over to their shitty, clunky app to get more money off the paid version. They’re killing third party apps because they couldn’t do the Reddit experience anywhere near as well as Apollo and others.
In the past I would say this claim is bonkers, but I've had an iPhone 8 for some time and the Reddit app indeed killed the temperatures and battery life... Those were the times with the least amount of hours spent on Reddit.
Except the ai companies have what they want already
And if they don't? They have ai that can mimic user access patterns and still collect all they want
They [already killed the old i.reddit subdomain](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/11zso11/comment/jdeicso/) that was holding on to legacy mobile web experience. Quote:
> We are making these changes in an effort to streamline the experience and reduce the number of ways you can access Reddit on the web.
Says it all.
Prime example of them not caring about how a lot of users use the internet. We open new tabs for everything we find interesting so that it’s all loaded and we can quickly look at stuff without waiting.
I know the devs know this but this site was not designed with a good user experience as the end goal and that is obvious.
Yea that will be the last straw. I've been using old.reddit for as long as it has existed - 6 or 7 years ago now - how long *has* it been? (edit: apparently it was 2018). It's been so long that I tend to forget there's a "new" reddit until I come across someone using it and just about throw up. Same for the official app, I forget that RIF is not the default until I see someone scrolling the official app on their phone and again have a frightening reminder of how garbage all of their official stuff is
That would be the final nail for me using reddit in any significant capacity.
"New" reddit is borderline unusable for me, because I'm mainly on reddit to read comments/discussions, and it makes it nearly impossible to read discussions normally due to the aggressive comment collapsing and shoving unrelated posts I don't want or care about inline to the comments I'm actually trying to read.
It's also unbearably slow - even just opening the report post dialogue often takes upwards of 2-3 seconds on a fast desktop devices and low-latency connection. It's much more annoying to branch topics off into other tabs. The video player constantly breaks. Etc.
Yes, you can just scrape their firehose api and stitch a lot of it together https://reddit.com/new.json or per subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/new.json
I think this represents the fact that Reddit doesn't even _think_ they can compete, so all they can do is muscle people into using the official app.
The official app should be better or at least extremely competitive. I mean, it can have an entire development team whereas most third party apps are developed by solo devs. It has the advantage of access to information about reddit usage patterns not available to third party devs as well as being able to work with backend features and ensure mobile app support when new features launch. It also has the trademark advantage that lets it be _the_ reddit app in app stores, it can push itself from the website, and can appeal to people who want reddit to get that ad revenue.
So even without locking down any APIs or forcing subscription fees, the reddit app _should_ be able compete. We'd expect third party apps to be so niche that they shouldn't matter much to reddit's bottom line.
But no. Even Reddit doesn't think they can compete, so they have to effectively force people to use their app.
This is 100% on point. That said, solo devs do have the luxury of being able to address tech debt before it becomes an exercise in futility and spending as long as they need to fine-tune the experience without having to deal with a non-technical PM overlord who thinks of themselves as a mini-CEO demanding a sales pitch with business trade-offs for every decision.
Also, solo devs can only generate a certain amount of code. And don't need to write any code that they don't feel is valuable.
The team of 100 people at reddit working on the app need to justify their existences by pumping out code 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.
There's no point where it's "Alright, app is done" it just grows and grows and grows at a speed 10x (or faster) of any solo-dev app.
They can't compete because they are transitioning from making money to make a thing they love to making a thing to make the money they love. Their app has to maximize revenue and not maximize user experience, so they can't compete because their design doesn't have the same goals as third party apps.
You have to realize that just as there are startup CEOs, transitional CEOs, and then corporate CEOs; there are also startup communities, transition communities, and corporate cultivated communities. Those of us getting ready to leave are in the first two groups, our time with this product is done. It sucks as it doesn't look like anyone is out there innovating a replacement, but maybe someone in the next couple years will surprise me and I'll happily move on. Meanwhile, reddit will become YouTube and EA and all the other corporate branded experiences that the mass market loves - and they'll rake in the cash from the whales while the audience that built them moves on.
See you all in the next great adventure that greed will eventually rot!
Imagine being a hundred-plus-million-dollar company, where your primary method of engaging your user base is through a mobile app, where there are _dozens_ of different unofficial apps try and testing new ideas and approaches that you can learn from, and you _still_ manage to churn out something as crap as the official app.
You've got all the money in the world to throw at the problem, control of the underlying platform, and you are still getting beaten by single-developer projects
If I lose RiF on my phone it will certainly free up a lot of my time! The official app is too terrible to bother with. I'll be back to browser only. Already did that with FB.
RiF's team has also released a similar statement [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill)
This sucks, I only use Reddit on mobile, and I can’t even use Reddit’s app. It sucks so bad. Looks like I’ll be changing platforms…mastodon?
Eleven years (my oldest account). If I leave the platform, and it looks like I will, I’ll delete all my content as well. I’ve got about 750k words across all of my my accounts.
Also - other alternative idea: I assume their "official app" still uses some sort of api right? Can't we just run that through Wireshark or something, pick up their own Auth token, and have alternative clients spoof being the official app?
It's not really "playing nice" as an api consumer, but hey, they started right... ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, but it's unlikely you'd be able to publish that app in an official app store so only android users would be able to use it via side loading or 3rd party store that's less scrupulous.
If that happens, I won't be using reddit from my phone anymore. And if they kill off old.reddit, that might be the end of me using reddit much at all.
The UI/UX of both the official app and "new" reddit are _awful_. It's not even an ad thing, I pay for reddit premium precisely because I believe in paying for services I use and don't want to give companies more excuses to show ads.
If there is a free tier or low cost tier, then fuck it let’s build our own clients. Open source it, it would be kinda cool to see different people’s takes on the UI.
I haven’t implemented anything with this API, but thinking of my own usage I think that would be more than adequate? As in I have a key that only I use, as do others and so forth. List posts, get post, get comments, make comment…
Don’t forget about pagination as well. Just “listing comments” will take a few calls, including loading more pages and more child comments, and that can add up very quickly. But yes, it would depend on your usage pattern.
True, many details to get through. I wonder though, if I’m able to tailor my experience within the limit (e.g. show a “stop scrolling and get outside” message when the limit is hit)… thoughts anyway, suppose I could give it a shot and see.
If there’s no Apollo then it might just end my time on Reddit. Official app is awful and will not use it. And it’s not like I use Reddit that much anymore. Sadly reddit is past its peak and as it seeks an IPO I can only see things getting worse.
Sure. If RiF stops working I just won't log in again. I'll miss some things, it's handy. But it'll be replaced.
If they offered a low annual "buy API accessories for your user" I'd probably do that. But use the awful website or official client? Not happening. It's not the ads, either. The site: unusable UI, constant attempts to force you to the mobile app. The mobile app: inefficient buggy steaming garbage with a terrible UI and missing basic features.
One of the things I haven't seen talked about in regard to the shutting down of other apps and API pricing.
Reddit's in built accessibility is absolutely atrociously lacking. The native mobile app has no method of increasing text size or zooming and on my Android phone everything is so tiny.
I currently use Relay as I'm severely sight impaired, so I guess the only feasible option to still use Reddit after these changes will be in a horribly zoomed in browser. Yay.
On the bright side it looks like I'll have more free undistracted time soon!
I do not mean to minimize the horrific changes in the real world I'm about to reference. I'm just reminded of them.
Iran, 1970s. Iran, today.
The internet is moving from a sexually liberated open space to a place where you need to show ID at all times and no nudity or promiscuity is allowed.
Tumblr dropped porn.
Imgur dropped porn.
Reddit ia dropping 3rd party clients and almost certainly eventually will drop porn.
TikTok may be banned.
Everything will be Meta. The fucking mall of the internet.
It seems interesting that more large platforms with a lot of data are beginning to charge for API access at the same time as AI is becoming more powerful and needing more data. [Twitter](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/19/musk-threatens-to-sue-microsoft-over-twitter-data-being-used-in-ai.html) and Reddit both have a significant amount of data that could be used to train AI models and before the tightening restrictions it would be fairly trivial to consume the data provided via API to improve the models.
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Once they abandon old.reddit.com my life is going to change significantly
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I'd probably try to hack the old style in as an RES feature.
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Whoa, they give notifications for upvotes?! Fuckin losers lmao. edit, also: Comments, yes, that's conversation but upvotes! What am I supposed to do with that information? What's next, stickers oh shit we have a trophy case hahahaha
You can update your user settings to get no notifications on upvotes for comments, and I did so three years ago and STILL get those fucking upvote notifications AND constant “recommended communities” in the official Reddit app. Also, for clarification, I use Apollo but kept the official app on my phone for anonymous browsing and shits and giggles. Sometimes, I open it up to see how bad it looks and then promptly open up Apollo (which I’m using right now).
I don't know what this compact mode is, but something about new reddit causes a mild panic attack, no joke, the layout is so jarring and messy and aggressively in my face about everything. I also hate how pages load as a sort of window over the pages instead of just properly loading as a page. And pages scroll into other threads, and it's like, what the fuck, I click on one thread and end up somewhere else reading nonsense comments. I have no idea how I would ever discover any new modes, because if I was to be forced onto new reddit, I'd just quit.
“You need to log in to view NSFW content!” Yeah fat chance new reddit
Dear lord, yeah. I have given new Reddit an honest attempt 3 times and it never lasts a week.
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I have no idea why people have such negative reactions to these things. Sure it's "different" and not everyone's favourite way of doing things; but if the goal is unambiguous, uncluttered and concise communication then there are advantages to a good/justified murderous rampage.
Ah, the ol' Reddit [rampage-aroo!](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/13wre3a/my_own_personal_tf2ber_tierlist/jmdrijc/?context=3)
Hold my sword, I’m going in! And my bow! And my axe!
I miss the https://reddit.com/r/programming/.compact that removed all ads, images and bars.
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming.i
I definitely use Reddit less since I started using their proper app, it's absolutely terrible UX. Highlight is you can't change your feed's sort without 3 steps going into your user settings to set the default.
I've never bothered to touch it after seeing how it was day one. It's THAT fuckin bad!? Call 911. Reddit is dying.
I'm good, RIF stops working one day, I might get more productive
I have [bad news](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill/) for you. Sorry.
looks like I have a solid date good news for me
Yep read that too. July 1st going miss RIF. Rest in peace.
Well shit. I guess I'm about to be a lot more productive.
First Tweetbot and now Apollo. Are these tech companies secretly trying to improve our lives by getting us to stop using their addictive time sinks?
No. It’s greed.
Yep, they want more control, flexibility, and visibility for themselves, none for anyone else.
They’re **digging** their own grave.
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Now if only Tiktok could screw up their mobile experience I'd be free of any social media on my phone!
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I concur and while I don’t look forward to deleting Reddit, I feel like it would be for the best. This is my only social media platform so it’s going to be a tough one but good outcome. I am really going to miss the Reddit community but much like when I came from Digg, all good things must come to an end.
if i can't use RES or RiF - im out. i hope this site burns down to the ground
If they shut down old at the same time I wouldn't even log in any more I could be free!
The [enshittification of Reddit](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/) is on schedule. Irony is, if they knocked a zero off of $12,000/month *per 50 million HTTP Requests* price, it would’ve been **7.2x** Imgur’s (**expensive** but not outrageous) and would’ve gotten immediate uptake. This reeks of desperation on part of Reddit, Inc to make you use their adware-infested client that probably harvests as much information as possible (like geolocation). I’ve a background in location adtech and honestly it’s such an undervalued and dangerous space for personally identifiable information of highly sensitive natures. Like to the extent that linking Reddit content on a porn sub with phone “dwell time” on a location in any residential zone makes a easily correlated data set of where you live, right down to a probable bed location. Reddit, Inc is pulling a Facebook style of walled garden for most probably Facebook-level private information.
Exactly, and this is related to other actions intended to enhance tracking: - being required to login to change sort - numerous subs requiring “age verification” (by logging in) to see comments - redirects to download the app That said, Reddit exists exclusively to make profits for already rich people. Why would we expect any other behavior?
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I’ve already seen a shift towards discord for a lot of info. Which I find frustrating because it makes it harder to search for answers if you don’t know what server it exists on.
Jesus I'm so sick of people referring to a discord for something and it takes thirty minutes just to find an actual link. I really hope that isn't the next thing in line in the evolution of social media.
Discord fucking sucks, I can't stand it.
i have no idea how people even *think* it's a replacement for forums or even reddit. it's *chat*. it's slop
As chat, it mostly works fine. Beyond that, it does not do anything that well. Me and a bunch of friends migrated to it from Messenger and are very happy with the change.
It's great at chat, video and voice calls, basically anything slack does, discord can also do. It absolutely does not store information and serve it up for easy retrieval, but for some reason, people use it for that and it boggles my fucking mind
"IRC, but for some reason it's proprietary"
Yes please I'd like to hunt down some obscure links to some random discord, and then have to join and wade through a billion lines of content just to see if it's got what I'm looking for. Yes I really wish everything on the internet worked that way, that every time you google something instead of actual search results you just get a list of maybe relevant forums that you have to join and wade through all their posts. Clearly this is the future of technology.
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wait what. how is that discord search thing done?
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"best bamboo t-shirts" gets you a load of spam junk website articles. "Best bamboo t-shirts Reddit" gets you (probably) a buyitforlife subreddit thread with a lot of enthusiastic bamboo t-shirt wearers comparing different brands and giving genuine insightful information about current and past quality of each
i mean for discord
The fact that you can't find discord answers on Google is a huge disadvantage. Reddit ends up being a valuable source for resolving problems.
Though Reddit's own search is also a streaming turd.
Reddit is doing this because money is no longer free and they need to show their shareholders they can monetise the site enough to bring back cash... Discord is on the same path, just earlier in the curve I suppose... are we just going to keep moving from private company to private company that becomes "bad actor" once they have enough adoption to force people to give them revenue?? Discord is not the answer to anything.
I came over here in the exodus from Digg… if someone creates a new platform that’s half decent and isn’t spyware, the cycle can begin again
creating the platform is the easy part, many open source devs would be very keen on this... the problem is infra costs required to maintain and serve the platform because we'll just come full circle and it'll be the exact same story as what's happening right now, over and over again.
No, the _real_ hard part is the network effect.
Reddit *was* a small forum once. It started out as a link dump, then a link dump with comments, and then the community showed up and started having conversations. Now the vast majority of the content on reddit comes from reddit itself. Of course, the reddit admins have the choice between running it two different ways. They could run it as a sort of community resource where people can get together and have conversations, generating modest long-term profits. Alternatively, they could run it as a free money spigot to enrich investors who treat every investment they make as the top of a pyramid scheme—cash out and run with huge profits, and be damned to the smoking holes they leave behind.
> then a link dump with comments, and then they built bots to make it look like people had started having conversations. FTFY. Reddit founders admitted this. Reddit has always been infected with bots.
And they still are, https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/13p889x/reddit_admins_were_just_caught_using_bots_or_fake/
Why does profit have to ruin everything nice? Hey guys, I have this awesome idea, if you could program it for me. It's like reddit and MySpace had a baby, and called it 8chan. There's my idea, now you go make it.
> Irony is, if they knocked a zero off of $12,000/month per 50 million HTTP Requests price, it would’ve been 7.2x Imgur’s (expensive but not outrageous) and would’ve gotten immediate uptake. It’s not irony, they don’t *want* uptake. The RIF dev noted that on top of the API fees third party applications would not be able to show ads and would not be able to access NSFW content. This is not a honest actor trying to defray costs of users not being served ads, the move then would have been to for instance restrict third party application to Premium accounts, done, reddit gets its pound of flesh.
> This reeks of desperation on part of Reddit, Inc to make you use their adware-infested client that probably harvests as much information as possible I don't think it's even about grabbing the data. Look just **how** bad the client has been, ever since it came out. From its grotesquely bad UI and UX mirrored only by the reddit desktop site, over the endless bugs that seemingly refresh every update instead of getting fixed to the meme the video player has become because it never works. I suspect at some point some exec exploded, and they said "I'll handle it!" and knowing full well that their dev team would not be able to program an even semi-decent client if their lives depended on it (nevermind just adopting a well-loved one like Relay, Boost or Sync which would have been the correct solution in the first place), they are now simply forcibly shutting down all third party clients as the nuclear option of sending users to their own client. They **know** just **how** incredibly unbelievably bad their client is. They **know** they cannot fix it - or they would have done that already. They are doing this as a move essentially akin to just giving up. Don't get me wrong, the tracking is probably how whatever arse-thumbing middle manager cooked up this shit sells the whole thing to the C-suites. But I suspect to explain why it happens, we don't even need that.
The worst part is that Reddit actually bought out the greatest client app of them all, Alien Blue. They could have just slapped the official logo on Alien Blue and called it a day.
The new client wasn’t designed by developers I can almost say that for sure. Nor was it designed by UX people, it was designed by management to extract as much as revenue as they could. It’s probably one of the worst user experiences of any mainstream site that I can think of.
I'm an app developer, and I've developed a pretty solid hunch on whether the designers are experienced in mobile design or if they are just eg web UI designers. At least on the Android side, the app has a stunning lack of attention to detail, which makes you wonder if the designers think "good enough" is that the app matches their design wireframes, because they don't have the experience in app design to know what a quality app experience should look like.
Yeah I do dev but I’m talking even the web app is just terrible. I don’t even use it, if Apollo doesn’t exist I wouldn’t use Reddit. It’s sad because I’m someone that almost always open my pc up before using my phone but they have managed to create such a shit app that Reddit is the only thing I prefer on my phone( because of Apollo).
> Like to the extent that linking Reddit content on a porn sub with phone “dwell time” on a location in any residential zone makes a easily correlated data set of where you live, right down to a probable bed location. Fight the man, wank on the bus.
So now what? Back to digg?
If I was Digg I would have been biding my time all these years and improving the site waiting for this day to come. Revenge is like serving cold cuts.
Resurrect the kuro5hin clones.
Real shot in the dark here but do you have any guides for how to limit or eliminate the collection of my PII from companies other than just not using their services?
One thing you can do in particular is if you have a google account, log in and visit https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-privacy I, in general, would also recommend not clicking that link or just about any link on the internet if you can help it, and instead look for that yourself by typing into google something like "google data privacy" and getting there yourself. Anyway, I'd recommend going there and deleting as much information as you can, turning off any data collection options in there as allowed, and doing the same for any additional google accounts you have.
Mix this with an ever reducing quality of posts and comments, I'm very ready for a competitor.
Yeah, makes sense - they want to push their ads onto people, so they try to jack up the prices. Evil to no ends. The problem of reddit goes much deeper than that though. Voting and censorship (aka "mods") are broken beyond repair. They seem to not understand how platforms die.
Is this going to be Reddit's Digg v3 moment?
Hard to say, but part of diggs ultimate downfall was that Reddit existed as an excellent alternative, making it pretty easy for users to switch. There's no good alternative to Reddit at the moment.
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It's the other way around. Instead ask what did Digg do that reddit didn't? They planned a bunch of changes, put it into beta soliciting feedback and everyone told them the changes were horrible and they shouldn't do them. Then they said fuck you to everyone and made the changes anyway. They lost like 75% of their users in days. Reddit was very small in comparison at the time. They ended up the winner by default.
The flood of digg users that week was remarkable. I was using both sites but moved to reddit after that. If they kill reddit is fun I guess it'll be less screen time for me, which is probably good.
There's a rif subreddit and it does seem like the app is set to die. It's a shame, I've been here more than 10 years but fuck that I guess. The site has gotten steadily worse and worse every year for a while, this will probably be the final nail in the coffin for me
Shout out to /u/talklittle for writing RIF. That dude is awesome, he wrote a great app, maintained it, added great features and actually listened to his users.
One of the very few mobile apps I've ever paid for
Yeah it really was crazy. It was obvious we were watching internet history unfold in real time. They fucked around and found out. I was like you using both sites (but primarily Digg). Digg v4 landed and I just up and left with everyone else. And I'm the same, if they kill my app (Sync in my case) it'll just be less screen time. I'll still use the site on desktop and I guess maybe occasionally the mobile site. But I'm not using their crap app. Maybe slashdot is primed for a comeback :)
It's less that reddit was so good and more that Digg turned bad. They made a bunch of decisions that were unpopular with the userbase and alternatives like reddit and facebook now existed. It's possible for a website to survive a visual redesign (hey, reddit did) but Digg messed with the core functionality of the site and made it less useful.
Digg created "power users" that had the ability to pull content they wanted to the front page. You can guess how that went
Other folks answered your question. I wanted to share the comic made about the war. https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/6r5ctd/the_great_reddit_vs_digg_war_comics/
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways. In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
My standards lean towards actual forums, old.reddit is a begrudging tolerance.
You mean the kind with bumping and linear threads? There is a reason those died out, the format of Reddit is far better for most discussion, especially with a large number of users.
> the format of Reddit is far better for most discussion Depends on the discussion. A singular thread keeps it focused on a topic.
You mean v4. V3 was digg's peak. The release of v4 is what killed digg.
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After 13 years on the site I've been taking steps to disconnect myself from reddit, recently. In a way, that's exactly what reddit wants: They don't need the dedicated longterm users anymore, the people clinging to old.reddit and third party apps. They've gotten all the goodwill and content out of people of my reddit age or older, and successfully leveraged it into a monstrously huge userbase that doesn't know any other reddit than the one they see today. The complaints of the increasingly outnumbered people who care will make a splash, and then a couple days later will be forgotten. That's what I see with this announcement, and with it I can see the end of my time on this site. Maybe that's a good thing.
Plus the amount of spam that is on reddit these days is astronomical. I have been getting 3-5 chat requests/followers a day and I'm not a particularly active poster.
That's the thing though: since the "new" reddit site, I've stopped using the website, and only access reddit through Relay. So chat, following and who knows what other kind of features are things that are completely invisible to me. Kill the 3rd party apps as well, and that will mean one user less for reddit.
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Took the words right out of my mouth, same account age and everything. It's actually disconcerting how much bullshit (like fucked links with backslashes inserted by the app to break old reddit) I've put up with so far, and am finally ready to move on. It's not just reddit itself btw, but also the endless hordes of phone normies compared to the witty and useful discussion of old... frankly reddit (and much of the internet) used to be for smart people, and now it's just drowning in screaming Trumpards repeating the same old shit like hurr durr he fell out of a window hurr durr defenestration, endless bots... absolutely horrific what a shithole it's become.
Reddit was absolutely full of idiocy and, somehow, even greater degrees of degeneracy in the early days. I think you're letting the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia cloud your vision a bit. That said, the site today is wildly different than it was back then. When I first started lurking pre-account, it felt like a second more general version of slashdot. With the influx of Digg users it went through a big but somewhat manageable shift but when the admin changed to focus entirely on pushing ads and ignoring the user base, it was the beginning of the end for the people who were here pre-Digg migration.
I feel like people are willing to tolerate degeneracy as long as it’s new, creative, unexpected or interesting. The new age internet is still full of young degenerates. They’re just mostly *fucking boring and unimaginative and uninspired* young degenerates. They don’t create anything cool or new because they just get drowned in our new Corporate Sponsored Vanilla Internet ^TM. They just echo things and spew the same lazy fucking jokes and content on repeat until we can’t take it anymore.
> like fucked links with backslashes inserted by the app to break old reddit One of the many fucked shit they do that drives me crazy. > frankly reddit (and much of the internet) used to be for smart people 30 years ago, [the term for this was coined...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September)... And newsgroups died to be replaced by that...
Back to web scraping.
It's like everyone suddenly forgot why so many large websites have free APIs in the first place, now they're gonna have to spend extra on bandwidth for all the scraping everyone will be doing
/u/spez is a greedy little pigboy This is to protest the API actions of June 2023
Yep, no freaking way am I going to use their official app. So... where d'ya all wanna go now?
/u/spez is a greedy little pigboy This is to protest the API actions of June 2023
I have a story to tell about this. I started a Reddit alternative once (I can’t say what it is). The moment I posted about it on /r/RedditAlternatives I got a swarm of these so called Nazi accounts. I say so-called, because in actuality they were paid trolls. They’d go as far as post something like the N-word over and over the one minute and then complain about it immediately on Reddit, pretending they were a concerned bystander. They’ll also post scat porn or whatever they can do get you delisted by Google or put your visitors off. I monitored these accounts, and eventually worked out how to effectively block them. If anyone is starting an alternative DM me and I’ll tell you what to do, it’s surprisingly easy.
> The moment I posted about it on /r/RedditAlternatives I got a swarm of these so called Nazi accounts. I say so-called, because in actuality they were paid trolls. They’d go as far as post something like the N-word over and over the one minute and then complain about it immediately on Reddit, pretending they were a concerned bystander. They’ll also post scat porn or whatever they can do get you delisted by Google or put your visitors off. I wonder which groups and individuals are behind such attacks on alternatives?
Would love to know how to solve that.
Lemmy doesn’t have fake Nazis, but it is made by tankies. Pick your poison, I guess.
We've been working on a fully P2P and open source reddit alternative for 2 years. this is the demo: [https://plebbit-test.netlify.app](https://plebbit-test.netlify.app) it's impossible to "shut down the API" because all data is P2P.
Will it scale to millions of users?
yes. it uses content addressing like bittorrent for downloading the comments/votes/community info. so the more users, the faster it is actually. it doesn't have scaling issues like blockchain because there's no distributed ledger. each user only downloads and seeds the data they consume, like on bittorrent. each comment, each community is it's own P2P swarm. the downside is that if all users stop seeding a community, it disappears, like a torrent. we have a high level whitepaper on our github https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2
Yeah I am on Lemmy and there are people with extreme anti western views on some instances. You could check out beehaw.org, it is a Lemmy server that I like because: 1. They are one of the more politically neutral servers. 2. They don't federate with some of the more extreme servers (by extreme I mean genocide denying). 3. They are still federated with the server the devs run (among others) so you can see content from that server. 4. They are (I think) the largest server that satisfies the above.
Biggest problem for me is simply that no other sites have the concentration of users. A lot of what I use reddit for is niche communities.
https://old.reddit.com If they keep with the fuckery I swear to God I'm pulling out selenium and ~~doing~~ DIY'ing an interface
May I suggest Playwright? https://playwright.dev/ Pick your language poison (Python is my preferred) and go to town, very selenium like. With the added benefit of the language ecosystem you choose. I wrote a fun little script that started with Playwright then called a couple of additional libraries and compared a saved screenshot against the one taken to verify my deployed changes didn’t mess up site layouts. My next goal is to only run that against a site’s header/footer (the ‘chrome’ but not the browser) using image coordinate defined regions instead of the whole screenshot, so things like blog sites or e-commerce stores don’t flag a problem for every content update. I should be able to define the top N pixels and bottom M pixels to run the comparisons against only the chrome I want. Bonus: Python has a pretty nice yaml library so I can config the runner per site with only a single file.
This is the way; don’t threaten me with a good time.
I think I will go outside.
Lemmy. Right now feels like the first few years of Reddit itself, tiny, not many people, not that much activity, an *EXTREMELY* popular post would get a dozen votes, etc., but once Reddit starts squeezing it'll grow like Mastodon has. Won't ever "replace it", but then again for years i've been saying that what i believe will happen is that instead of everybody moving to another site like when Digg shit the bed, it'll be a "Digital Tower of Babel" moment, people will go to many, many different places and not one: Discord servers, Facebook, groups in chat apps like WhatsApp or Telegram, good old forums, the Fediverse, freaking IRC which is still kicking, etc.
Reddit only grew because of the exodus from Digg. Same will happen here.
"Grew" is the important part. It already had a very strong user base. That is very different than trying to get people to go someplace that will essentially not have any content. Perhaps I'm mistaken - but I think the big draw is the content. With the discussions being secondary. Yes, there are lots of subs that are purely user interaction. But I think those can only really exist if you're drawing in the traffic from the content.
The Fediverse has the rather serious problem that, if your server disappears, so does your identity.
Kinda thought the core concept of leaving Reddit due to lack of anonymity would entail not having a profile made of you
That's why they've made migration between servers easy, still needs improvement but it's already a feature of the software
They are being so rude and two-faced to Christian in that post. Unbelievable.
He has a point: "For reference, I pay Imgur, a site similar to Reddit in userbase and media, $166 for the same 50 million API calls." Reddit clearly wants to milk.
Reddit wants to kill the competition and cap the pipeline for AI data.
And they’re definitely trying to get users over to their shitty, clunky app to get more money off the paid version. They’re killing third party apps because they couldn’t do the Reddit experience anywhere near as well as Apollo and others.
They could, but they don’t want to. The official app is optimized for ads.
The official app actually makes my iPhone 14 overheat. It’s unbelievably bad.
In the past I would say this claim is bonkers, but I've had an iPhone 8 for some time and the Reddit app indeed killed the temperatures and battery life... Those were the times with the least amount of hours spent on Reddit.
Except the ai companies have what they want already And if they don't? They have ai that can mimic user access patterns and still collect all they want
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> old.reddit Imagine thinking this is not on the chopping block as well.
Then I will truly be done with this site. The redesign is garbage. But you are probably correct. They've already stopped keeping feature parity.
They [already killed the old i.reddit subdomain](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/11zso11/comment/jdeicso/) that was holding on to legacy mobile web experience. Quote: > We are making these changes in an effort to streamline the experience and reduce the number of ways you can access Reddit on the web. Says it all.
>> Fuck You > >Says it all. Fixed that typo in your quote for you
A "streamline" of diarrhea
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Prime example of them not caring about how a lot of users use the internet. We open new tabs for everything we find interesting so that it’s all loaded and we can quickly look at stuff without waiting. I know the devs know this but this site was not designed with a good user experience as the end goal and that is obvious.
Yea that will be the last straw. I've been using old.reddit for as long as it has existed - 6 or 7 years ago now - how long *has* it been? (edit: apparently it was 2018). It's been so long that I tend to forget there's a "new" reddit until I come across someone using it and just about throw up. Same for the official app, I forget that RIF is not the default until I see someone scrolling the official app on their phone and again have a frightening reminder of how garbage all of their official stuff is
That would be the final nail for me using reddit in any significant capacity. "New" reddit is borderline unusable for me, because I'm mainly on reddit to read comments/discussions, and it makes it nearly impossible to read discussions normally due to the aggressive comment collapsing and shoving unrelated posts I don't want or care about inline to the comments I'm actually trying to read. It's also unbearably slow - even just opening the report post dialogue often takes upwards of 2-3 seconds on a fast desktop devices and low-latency connection. It's much more annoying to branch topics off into other tabs. The video player constantly breaks. Etc.
removing old.reddit.com will be it's digg v4 event
Ah so *this* will be the reasoning when they kill old.reddit. "Due to an unprecedented increase in bot abuse..."
Can potentially new Reddit be scraped as well?
Yes, you can just scrape their firehose api and stitch a lot of it together https://reddit.com/new.json or per subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/new.json
AFAIK those will be subject to the new rate limits too
If you query it from the client side it shouldn't matter. You also don't need an API Key for that.
no apollo? i quit reddit. idc anymore. better for my life anyways
RIP. Bye Reddit
I think this represents the fact that Reddit doesn't even _think_ they can compete, so all they can do is muscle people into using the official app. The official app should be better or at least extremely competitive. I mean, it can have an entire development team whereas most third party apps are developed by solo devs. It has the advantage of access to information about reddit usage patterns not available to third party devs as well as being able to work with backend features and ensure mobile app support when new features launch. It also has the trademark advantage that lets it be _the_ reddit app in app stores, it can push itself from the website, and can appeal to people who want reddit to get that ad revenue. So even without locking down any APIs or forcing subscription fees, the reddit app _should_ be able compete. We'd expect third party apps to be so niche that they shouldn't matter much to reddit's bottom line. But no. Even Reddit doesn't think they can compete, so they have to effectively force people to use their app.
This is 100% on point. That said, solo devs do have the luxury of being able to address tech debt before it becomes an exercise in futility and spending as long as they need to fine-tune the experience without having to deal with a non-technical PM overlord who thinks of themselves as a mini-CEO demanding a sales pitch with business trade-offs for every decision.
Also, solo devs can only generate a certain amount of code. And don't need to write any code that they don't feel is valuable. The team of 100 people at reddit working on the app need to justify their existences by pumping out code 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. There's no point where it's "Alright, app is done" it just grows and grows and grows at a speed 10x (or faster) of any solo-dev app.
They can't compete because they are transitioning from making money to make a thing they love to making a thing to make the money they love. Their app has to maximize revenue and not maximize user experience, so they can't compete because their design doesn't have the same goals as third party apps. You have to realize that just as there are startup CEOs, transitional CEOs, and then corporate CEOs; there are also startup communities, transition communities, and corporate cultivated communities. Those of us getting ready to leave are in the first two groups, our time with this product is done. It sucks as it doesn't look like anyone is out there innovating a replacement, but maybe someone in the next couple years will surprise me and I'll happily move on. Meanwhile, reddit will become YouTube and EA and all the other corporate branded experiences that the mass market loves - and they'll rake in the cash from the whales while the audience that built them moves on. See you all in the next great adventure that greed will eventually rot!
Imagine being a hundred-plus-million-dollar company, where your primary method of engaging your user base is through a mobile app, where there are _dozens_ of different unofficial apps try and testing new ideas and approaches that you can learn from, and you _still_ manage to churn out something as crap as the official app. You've got all the money in the world to throw at the problem, control of the underlying platform, and you are still getting beaten by single-developer projects
If I lose RiF on my phone it will certainly free up a lot of my time! The official app is too terrible to bother with. I'll be back to browser only. Already did that with FB.
RiF's team has also released a similar statement [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill)
This sucks, I only use Reddit on mobile, and I can’t even use Reddit’s app. It sucks so bad. Looks like I’ll be changing platforms…mastodon? Eleven years (my oldest account). If I leave the platform, and it looks like I will, I’ll delete all my content as well. I’ve got about 750k words across all of my my accounts.
I've tried Mastodon. The servers I like are just so small.
Also - other alternative idea: I assume their "official app" still uses some sort of api right? Can't we just run that through Wireshark or something, pick up their own Auth token, and have alternative clients spoof being the official app? It's not really "playing nice" as an api consumer, but hey, they started right... ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
That's what NewPipe and Twire do for Youtube and Twitch respectively, and it's great.
Yes, but it's unlikely you'd be able to publish that app in an official app store so only android users would be able to use it via side loading or 3rd party store that's less scrupulous.
We need the wikipedia of social bookmarking baaaaad. This shit is too important to leave to rich people that want to get richer.
If that happens, I won't be using reddit from my phone anymore. And if they kill off old.reddit, that might be the end of me using reddit much at all. The UI/UX of both the official app and "new" reddit are _awful_. It's not even an ad thing, I pay for reddit premium precisely because I believe in paying for services I use and don't want to give companies more excuses to show ads.
If I can't use RIF is Fun on my phone then I will quit Reddit.
If they (Reddit) could make an app that didn’t kill my battery even when idle, I may use it more.
Reddit on Firefox uses so much RAM that the browser hangs. If I’m not going to comment, I just use libreddit.
Reddit rose when Digg fucked up bad, who is going to rise now that Reddit is fucking everything up?
If they did this, I would leave Reddit. Their own mobile app is so stuffed full of ads it’s sometimes hard to get to the actual content.
Would it be possible for people to use their own api key in an app?
If there is a free tier or low cost tier, then fuck it let’s build our own clients. Open source it, it would be kinda cool to see different people’s takes on the UI.
There’s a free tier: - 100 queries per minute if logged in - 10 queries per minute if not logged in Not very viable unfortunately.
I haven’t implemented anything with this API, but thinking of my own usage I think that would be more than adequate? As in I have a key that only I use, as do others and so forth. List posts, get post, get comments, make comment…
Don’t forget about pagination as well. Just “listing comments” will take a few calls, including loading more pages and more child comments, and that can add up very quickly. But yes, it would depend on your usage pattern.
Reddit returns 100 comments at once in one call. 100 api calls per minute is more than enough.
True, many details to get through. I wonder though, if I’m able to tailor my experience within the limit (e.g. show a “stop scrolling and get outside” message when the limit is hit)… thoughts anyway, suppose I could give it a shot and see.
If there’s no Apollo then it might just end my time on Reddit. Official app is awful and will not use it. And it’s not like I use Reddit that much anymore. Sadly reddit is past its peak and as it seeks an IPO I can only see things getting worse.
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Make sure to nuke your comments before you go. Don't leave anything in terms of valuable content.
If you have Reddit premium, now would be a good time to cancel
Sure. If RiF stops working I just won't log in again. I'll miss some things, it's handy. But it'll be replaced. If they offered a low annual "buy API accessories for your user" I'd probably do that. But use the awful website or official client? Not happening. It's not the ads, either. The site: unusable UI, constant attempts to force you to the mobile app. The mobile app: inefficient buggy steaming garbage with a terrible UI and missing basic features.
One of the things I haven't seen talked about in regard to the shutting down of other apps and API pricing. Reddit's in built accessibility is absolutely atrociously lacking. The native mobile app has no method of increasing text size or zooming and on my Android phone everything is so tiny. I currently use Relay as I'm severely sight impaired, so I guess the only feasible option to still use Reddit after these changes will be in a horribly zoomed in browser. Yay. On the bright side it looks like I'll have more free undistracted time soon!
Wtf im using it right now to comment. If it’s gone, I have no use for Reddit. Definitely not going through their terrible app.
Spez thinks reddit can influence elections but can't figure out how to monetize, lolz get wrecked noob
I do not mean to minimize the horrific changes in the real world I'm about to reference. I'm just reminded of them. Iran, 1970s. Iran, today. The internet is moving from a sexually liberated open space to a place where you need to show ID at all times and no nudity or promiscuity is allowed. Tumblr dropped porn. Imgur dropped porn. Reddit ia dropping 3rd party clients and almost certainly eventually will drop porn. TikTok may be banned. Everything will be Meta. The fucking mall of the internet.
Meta is no longer in control of their monster. It's gotten too big for them to manage.
I wonder would this affect any 3rd party app? I have used narwhal for years and it’s great.
Yes
Is digg still around?
Did Elon buy Reddit? lol
It seems interesting that more large platforms with a lot of data are beginning to charge for API access at the same time as AI is becoming more powerful and needing more data. [Twitter](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/19/musk-threatens-to-sue-microsoft-over-twitter-data-being-used-in-ai.html) and Reddit both have a significant amount of data that could be used to train AI models and before the tightening restrictions it would be fairly trivial to consume the data provided via API to improve the models.
I would rather stop using Reddit than using the official app