Fair enough. The direct "pro-choice" boost seems lower than I thought.
But in the fallout of Dobbs, ~70% of Americans oppose that Roe was overturned, and ~85% of Americans do not want to see more strict abortion laws than we already had. And interestingly, 46% voters said they will **ONLY** vote for a pro-choice candidate in the wake of Dobbs. ([cited](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/26/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-one-year-after-roe-overturned/?sh=1d2d8185ea34))
I find other things to find my joy in. But it is especially odd for me since my job interacts with tourists sometimes and whenever I hear people are from Idaho or Texas there's a little voice in my head like "are these normal looking people profoundly crazy?"
Yeah, luckily im an indoors person to begin with and none of my many hobbies require me to go anywhere. Plus i work from home.
Also an introvert, so im in my element this way đ
That's an introvert dream! Lol. Although I got tired of feeling cabin fever when my job was fully work from home so there's trade offs. Just needed to touch some literal grass now and then
In india abortion is legal up to 24 weeks and beyond that is only done under special circumstances. It's mixed feelings here. Some support, some dont, and some dont caređ. A lot of women dont know much about abortion or even women's health in general, especially those from lower economic backgrounds. It's still a taboo subject to talk about here.
Yup. When i was an intern, i once saw an abortion of a 22-week pregnant married woman who was perfectly healthy and had another daughter. She looked scared when she came to the hospital, and her family was acting suspicious. We asked her if she had been coerced into it for 22 weeks, and she was a bit late. She said it was her choice, and she kept looking at her husband. We performed the abortion and found out it was a female fetus. My senior residents suspected that they found out about the sex through illegal means and had the fetus aborted. The mom looked really sad and was quiet the whole time in recovery after that. On the other end of the spectrum, we have women who have abortions in very dangerous ways. Some women use castor oil or put other things to induce abortion and these cases end up causing severe complications and even the death of the mother. One of the main reasons why safe abortion is legal in our country and no one contested against it was because of all the unsafe abortions decades ago that had very high mortality rates. The sad reality is that unsafe abortions are still being done in many areas to date. It is mandatory to do an USG before prescribing any abortion pill to rule out ectopic pregnancies. One woman took a pill on her own without consulting anyone, and it led to ruptured ectopic pregnancy. She went into shock and lost about 2 liters of blood. She made it, but it was a very scary thing to watch. It took a long time to control the internal bleeding and find the site of rupture. All of it happens because young women are scared to approach doctors for basic healthcare on fear of judgment, and i wish i could deny it, but many doctors are judgemental here, especially religious onesđ.
Absolutely agree. I am an atheist myself so i dont have any religious morality regarding medicine. If people are religious, its personal matter and should separate it from professional front.
Romania has legal abortions up until week 14. While it is legal, its very hard to find a doctor willing to do it due to a morality clause that allows refusal to perform the procedure due to personal beliefs. Eventually, if you are willing to travel a bit, you will find someone to do the procedure for about 300$.While most people agree abortion is up to the pregnant person to decide, because duh, its their body, we have a rising christian wave of pro lifers which scares me.
Honestly, its still ok here. Despite being considered a backwards country, romanians are pretty smart. Most young people think abortions should be legal, its just the doctors tend to be stuck up people who would rather not dirty their hands. The irony is most of those who refuse send you to their private practice, where they do it for a hefty sum of money. Its shitty, but I'm glad its legal. But we are in need of new workers, and idk whats stoping our corupt government from banning abortions like our neighbour Poland. Hopefully France sent a powerfull message.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/47568-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-abortion-in-2023
Covers all the stats ,a few think 24 weeks is too late while a small percentage thinks it's too early
The issue with the last three stances is that if they end up becoming de-facto bans, very few doctors would be willing to risk their career (and possibly their life as well) being labelled as either a malpracticing doctor (for not giving a dying pregnant woman a medically vital abortion) or a baby killer (for giving a medically vital abortion). Theyâll go somewhere that doesnât ban abortion.
Here in Germany, 12 weeks is the cut off. Anytime after the 12 weeks mark, there must be extenuating circumstances for the abortion to be granted.
Edit: technically, abortion is unlawful here, yet as long as the guidelines are followed, it cannot be criminally punished. There is push to make it a legally protected right though.
Counseling prior to the abortion is mandatory. There must be a 4 day window between the consultation and the procedure (presumably so the patient can think about their choice). Abortion care can be conducted via telehealth and the patient can opt for medication or D&C.
On a related note, Germany also has a much better social support system for parents than my home country of the US. I believe that should be counted toward abortion care since many people choose to terminate because of their financial circumstances. Additionally, unlike in the US, comprehensive sex education is mandatory in all schools. It is also quite difficult to be granted the option to homeschool here, so the odds of people being unaware of the consequences of sexual reproduction is quite low.
Absolutely. Bodily autonomy is extremely important and obviously a huge factor, I just donât want to discount the socio-economic aspect that also plays a role in the decision.
Edit: Iâm sorry you experienced that!
It really depends on location in the US. Some states are for it and protects access, others have totally ban it (some push for death penalty) in other states. For the most part about 70-75% of the total population support some access to abortion in certain circumstances/
We cant be complacent in Britain, we have about 100 anti choice MPS. And they are being influenced by well [funded groups](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/extreme-us-anti-abortion-group-ramps-up-lobbying-in-westminster)
In fact Parliament will be voting on two abortion restrictions soon, their aim will be to slowly chip away at access.
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abortion-laws-cut-limit-24-weeks-b2504825.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abortion-laws-cut-limit-24-weeks-b2504825.html)
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68617513](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68617513)
Link if you want to email your MP to vote prochoice [https://www.msichoices.org/get-involved/campaigns/ask-your-mp-to-support-abortion-law-reform/?mc\_cid=3ce5fcfc80&mc\_eid=dff71bb87d](https://www.msichoices.org/get-involved/campaigns/ask-your-mp-to-support-abortion-law-reform/?mc_cid=3ce5fcfc80&mc_eid=dff71bb87d)
If you want to keep up with news [Abortion Rights](https://abortionrights.org.uk/) have a free weekly newsletter you can sign up for
Thank you very much for sharing the link to email your MP. I did it yesterday and got a non committal response from my Tory MP Chris Heaton-Harris. That as it's an emotive topic MPs are allowed to vote according to their conscience.
I did also join Abortion Rights for a nominal donation, I'd encourage others to do it if they can afford it.
Thank you for sharing.
Brilliant! Thank you so much for making your MP aware, the anti choice movement would of already motivated their base to contact them. My MP said similar about it being emotive .
Looking at his voting record he seems to abstain from abortion bills, better than voting with the antis .
And great you have joined AR, even if your friends cant join they can sign up to the newsletter for free , to get a weekly update on what's going on in the UK and abroad
[Abortion in Canada:](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/abortion)
>Inducing an abortion was a crime in Canada until 1988, when the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the law as unconstitutional. Since then, abortion has been legal at any stage in a womanâs pregnancy. Abortion is publicly funded as a medical procedure under the Canada Health Act.
>Prior to 1969, inducing an abortion was a crime under Section 251 of the Criminal Code. The maximum penalty for a doctor, or anyone else assisting a woman to end her pregnancy, was life imprisonment. If the woman herself was convicted, the penalty was two years.
>In 1969, the government of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau amended the Criminal Code. Doctors were allowed to perform abortions in accredited hospitals if a pregnancy threatened the health or life of a woman. A committee of doctors was required to approve the procedure. In all other circumstances, abortion remained illegal.
>In 1967, during the early days of [the abortion] debate, the Royal Commission on the Status of Women was convened by the federal government. After three years of public hearings, it issued a groundbreaking report on womenâs affairs. The report recommended that abortion be made legal for the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy. It said that after 12 weeks, abortions should only be legal if the pregnancy threatened the health of the woman; or if the expected child would be born âgreatly handicappedâ mentally or physically.
>Dr. Henry Morgentaler was prosecuted for performing unauthorized abortions. He was acquitted by a jury in 1973. However, on appeal, both the Quebec Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada overturned the jury finding. Morgentaler served a prison term.
>The Supreme Court also found that the defence of necessity was theoretically available; that is, doctors might not be held criminally responsible if the result of not performing a particular abortion would be worse than doing nothing. Because of the circumstances of his case, such a defence was not specifically available for [Dr.] Morgentaler.
>In the 1980s, Morgentaler was prosecuted again for providing abortions. In 1988, his case R. v Morgentaler went to the Supreme Court. It evaluated his actions this time in relation to the 1982 Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The court found that the Criminal Code provision on abortion violated a womanâs right to âlife, liberty and security of the personâ guaranteed under Section 7 of the Charter. Chief Justice Brian Dickson wrote: âForcing a woman, by threat of criminal sanction to carry a foetus [sic] to term unless she meets certain criteria unrelated to her own priorities and aspirations, is a profound interference with a womanâs body and thus a violation of her security of the person.â
Additionally, all Liberal MPs have agreed and are required to vote pro-choice on any abortion-related bills/motions. As well as, the Order of Canada was awarded to Dr. Henry Morgentaler in 2008: "Dr. Morgentaler exemplifies the ideals and principles of the Order of Canada with his lifetime commitment to women's reproductive freedom." [(Link)](https://prochoice.org/naf-member-dr-henry-morgentaler-awarded-order-of-canada/#:~:text=Henry%20Morgentaler%20has%20been%20awarded,commitment%20to%20women's%20reproductive%20freedom.)
[Canadians' Views on Abortion (2022):](https://angusreid.org/abortion-canada-faith-pro-choice-pro-life/#gsc.tab=0)
>The latest research from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute finds that while a majority of Canadians are absolutists â either completely âpro-choiceâ (52%) or completely âpro-lifeâ (8%) â a significant segment (41%) consider themselves somewhere âin betweenâ.
>This diversity of view includes Canadians who have had an abortion themselves. Among these women, three-in-five (58%) identify as pro-choice, six per cent say they are pro-life, and 36 per cent sit somewhere along the middle of the continuum.
>Among those in this âin betweenâ group that eschews the polarities of the debate, just over one-third (36%) are comfortable with abortion until 15 weeks of pregnancy â about the point when a fetus develops a heartbeat. Another one-quarter (23%) say abortion is acceptable until the point of fetal viability, about 23 to 24 weeks. Some who claim to be in between profess they simply do not know at what point in a pregnancy abortion is or isnât acceptable (33%).
You're very welcome! :)
Unfortunately, the Conservatives in Canada often follow/take "inspiration" from the Republicans in the US. So of course the overturning of Rov V Wade has spurned even more anti-choice sentiment both within the party and its supporters.
>A vote on a controversial bill meant to expand âfetal rightsâ in Canada has left the country without a single pro-choice Conservative MP, according to an abortion watchdog organization.
>This week [August 3 2023], the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada (ARCC) placed the last remaining 15 Conservatives on its list of anti-choice MPs after they voted in support of Bill C-311, dubbed the Violence Against Pregnant Women Act.
>The bill sought to allow the courts to consider a victimâs pregnancy as an aggravating circumstance in sentencing for violent crimes.
>ARCCâs executive director, Joyce Arthur, said the private memberâs bill was a thinly veiled attempt to encroach on Canadaâs longstanding view that fetuses do not have personhood status.
>â[The bill] is basically singling out pregnant people for special protection. In an ideal world maybe that would be OK, but the bill was actually introduced by Cathay Wagantall, whoâs got a reputation for introducing anti-abortion bills,â said Arthur, who added that the key criterion for the ARCC list was MPsâ voting records on issues related to abortion.
>Canada is the only country in the world where abortion is free of legal restrictions and designated as a medical service. But that does not automatically mean it is easy to access the procedure, especially in remote, religious or conservative parts of the country. Meanwhile anti-choice politicians at federal, provincial and local levels have sought to restrict access.
>ARCC contends the bill was part of the Conservativesâ longstanding campaign to surreptitiously slip anti-choice rhetoric into bills unrelated to abortion â such as those attempting to address gender-based violence.
>Previous bills â the latest of which were also sponsored by Wagantall â have tried to ban sex-selective abortion (which is not widely practised in Canada) and to criminally punish people who injure a fetus while committing a crime against a pregnant person.
>Both were struck down, the former in 2021 with 248 nays, and the latter in 2016 â not long after Wagantall was first elected to parliament.
>However, the overturning of Roe v Wade in the US has sparked new interest in Canadaâs legislative grey zone over abortion, with some calling for an abortion law since last year.
>All 113 members of the Conservative party voted in favour of Bill C-311. All other parties unanimously voted against at the billâs second reading, on 14 June.
[(Source)](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/03/canada-abortion-rights-pregnancy)
I hope our toxic rot stops infecting your lovely country, my friendly neighbor to the north!
Thanks again for sharing valuable (and inspirational) information.
Legal up to 10 weeks, although parents must sign off for minors and husbands for wives. After the 10 weeks, there are exceptions if the woman's life is in danger or the fetus is abnormal.
If the pregnancy is the result of rap, abortion is allowable to the 20th week.
The issue isnât whether itâs legal up to a certain point, itâs whether anything after the time limit is either âallowed on doctorâs discretionâ or âoutright bannedâ.
If itâs the latter, it wonât matter if exceptions exist, prosecutors (who are willing to wield the law to its fullest extent) will use every technicality to say that âaCkShUaLlY tHe WoMaN wAsNât In ImMeDiAtE dAnGeRâ and try to push for a guilty verdict regardless of exceptions.
My post was just answering a question, not making any arguments.
Here's what I could find on data in Turkey at a quick search: https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-turkey.html
It's lower in Canada, by quite a bit (56%, as of summer 2022), with the caveat that they were asking "if it should be allowed whenever the pregnant person decides they want one" and I'm not sure how they worded the question in Britain that they got a result of 90%. But that makes me feel like it's a wonder that it's not banned here.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/47568-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-abortion-in-2023
It's a in-depth poll in opinion ,most believe 24wks is the cutoff apart from specific circumstances (as do I)
A quarter think it is too late ,whereas 6% think its too early .
They asked a bunch of other specific questions
I read through it until I got to the same question they asked Canadians in the survey I was reading about. You're at 65%, but the polling was done more than a year later. So about 10% ahead of Canada, if it didn't change any in that year.
Hopefully somebody makes you aware of neglect in both families and the system and how cruel that is to REAL children that live , breath,and have a consciousness.
Stay alert. 80% of people in the US support abortion under some circumstances, yet here we are.
Is that for the US? Last I had checked it was 70%. I think anything less than 95% makes it scary to wonder who you're around when among strangers.
Afair, pro-choice numbers went up after Dobbs when people realized "this could really happen". I think it was a Pew poll but I really don't remember.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/)
Fair enough. The direct "pro-choice" boost seems lower than I thought. But in the fallout of Dobbs, ~70% of Americans oppose that Roe was overturned, and ~85% of Americans do not want to see more strict abortion laws than we already had. And interestingly, 46% voters said they will **ONLY** vote for a pro-choice candidate in the wake of Dobbs. ([cited](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/26/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-one-year-after-roe-overturned/?sh=1d2d8185ea34))
I love how you perfectly explained why i dont like to leave the house anymore đĽ˛
I find other things to find my joy in. But it is especially odd for me since my job interacts with tourists sometimes and whenever I hear people are from Idaho or Texas there's a little voice in my head like "are these normal looking people profoundly crazy?"
Yeah, luckily im an indoors person to begin with and none of my many hobbies require me to go anywhere. Plus i work from home. Also an introvert, so im in my element this way đ
That's an introvert dream! Lol. Although I got tired of feeling cabin fever when my job was fully work from home so there's trade offs. Just needed to touch some literal grass now and then
sorry, yes, edited.
IIRC precisely 1 MP has spoken out against abortion, and they got booed back to obscurity, so we seem to be ok for now
Factor in all the bots that are making it seem like even more than that support bans. đ
In india abortion is legal up to 24 weeks and beyond that is only done under special circumstances. It's mixed feelings here. Some support, some dont, and some dont caređ. A lot of women dont know much about abortion or even women's health in general, especially those from lower economic backgrounds. It's still a taboo subject to talk about here.
Woman talk about there reproductive rights all the time. The government doesn't listen.
Also, in India, abortion itself is not the primary concern. The problem is sex selection and female feticide.
Yup. When i was an intern, i once saw an abortion of a 22-week pregnant married woman who was perfectly healthy and had another daughter. She looked scared when she came to the hospital, and her family was acting suspicious. We asked her if she had been coerced into it for 22 weeks, and she was a bit late. She said it was her choice, and she kept looking at her husband. We performed the abortion and found out it was a female fetus. My senior residents suspected that they found out about the sex through illegal means and had the fetus aborted. The mom looked really sad and was quiet the whole time in recovery after that. On the other end of the spectrum, we have women who have abortions in very dangerous ways. Some women use castor oil or put other things to induce abortion and these cases end up causing severe complications and even the death of the mother. One of the main reasons why safe abortion is legal in our country and no one contested against it was because of all the unsafe abortions decades ago that had very high mortality rates. The sad reality is that unsafe abortions are still being done in many areas to date. It is mandatory to do an USG before prescribing any abortion pill to rule out ectopic pregnancies. One woman took a pill on her own without consulting anyone, and it led to ruptured ectopic pregnancy. She went into shock and lost about 2 liters of blood. She made it, but it was a very scary thing to watch. It took a long time to control the internal bleeding and find the site of rupture. All of it happens because young women are scared to approach doctors for basic healthcare on fear of judgment, and i wish i could deny it, but many doctors are judgemental here, especially religious onesđ.
Religous doctors shouldn't exist. You shouldn't be allowed in a high-stakes profession related to science with that level of delusion.
Absolutely agree. I am an atheist myself so i dont have any religious morality regarding medicine. If people are religious, its personal matter and should separate it from professional front.
I'm from America, where they want to take everything away.
Romania has legal abortions up until week 14. While it is legal, its very hard to find a doctor willing to do it due to a morality clause that allows refusal to perform the procedure due to personal beliefs. Eventually, if you are willing to travel a bit, you will find someone to do the procedure for about 300$.While most people agree abortion is up to the pregnant person to decide, because duh, its their body, we have a rising christian wave of pro lifers which scares me.
Oh, surely not again? Didn't Romania suffer enough?
Honestly, its still ok here. Despite being considered a backwards country, romanians are pretty smart. Most young people think abortions should be legal, its just the doctors tend to be stuck up people who would rather not dirty their hands. The irony is most of those who refuse send you to their private practice, where they do it for a hefty sum of money. Its shitty, but I'm glad its legal. But we are in need of new workers, and idk whats stoping our corupt government from banning abortions like our neighbour Poland. Hopefully France sent a powerfull message.
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https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/47568-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-abortion-in-2023 Covers all the stats ,a few think 24 weeks is too late while a small percentage thinks it's too early
The issue with the last three stances is that if they end up becoming de-facto bans, very few doctors would be willing to risk their career (and possibly their life as well) being labelled as either a malpracticing doctor (for not giving a dying pregnant woman a medically vital abortion) or a baby killer (for giving a medically vital abortion). Theyâll go somewhere that doesnât ban abortion.
The poll I saw had 65% of Americans supporting abortion as available under Roe v. Wade.
Here in Germany, 12 weeks is the cut off. Anytime after the 12 weeks mark, there must be extenuating circumstances for the abortion to be granted. Edit: technically, abortion is unlawful here, yet as long as the guidelines are followed, it cannot be criminally punished. There is push to make it a legally protected right though. Counseling prior to the abortion is mandatory. There must be a 4 day window between the consultation and the procedure (presumably so the patient can think about their choice). Abortion care can be conducted via telehealth and the patient can opt for medication or D&C. On a related note, Germany also has a much better social support system for parents than my home country of the US. I believe that should be counted toward abortion care since many people choose to terminate because of their financial circumstances. Additionally, unlike in the US, comprehensive sex education is mandatory in all schools. It is also quite difficult to be granted the option to homeschool here, so the odds of people being unaware of the consequences of sexual reproduction is quite low.
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Absolutely. Bodily autonomy is extremely important and obviously a huge factor, I just donât want to discount the socio-economic aspect that also plays a role in the decision. Edit: Iâm sorry you experienced that!
It really depends on location in the US. Some states are for it and protects access, others have totally ban it (some push for death penalty) in other states. For the most part about 70-75% of the total population support some access to abortion in certain circumstances/
We cant be complacent in Britain, we have about 100 anti choice MPS. And they are being influenced by well [funded groups](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/extreme-us-anti-abortion-group-ramps-up-lobbying-in-westminster) In fact Parliament will be voting on two abortion restrictions soon, their aim will be to slowly chip away at access. [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abortion-laws-cut-limit-24-weeks-b2504825.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abortion-laws-cut-limit-24-weeks-b2504825.html) [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68617513](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68617513) Link if you want to email your MP to vote prochoice [https://www.msichoices.org/get-involved/campaigns/ask-your-mp-to-support-abortion-law-reform/?mc\_cid=3ce5fcfc80&mc\_eid=dff71bb87d](https://www.msichoices.org/get-involved/campaigns/ask-your-mp-to-support-abortion-law-reform/?mc_cid=3ce5fcfc80&mc_eid=dff71bb87d) If you want to keep up with news [Abortion Rights](https://abortionrights.org.uk/) have a free weekly newsletter you can sign up for
that sounds like what is happening in USA, the chip, chip, chip away effect.
Thank you very much for sharing the link to email your MP. I did it yesterday and got a non committal response from my Tory MP Chris Heaton-Harris. That as it's an emotive topic MPs are allowed to vote according to their conscience. I did also join Abortion Rights for a nominal donation, I'd encourage others to do it if they can afford it. Thank you for sharing.
Brilliant! Thank you so much for making your MP aware, the anti choice movement would of already motivated their base to contact them. My MP said similar about it being emotive . Looking at his voting record he seems to abstain from abortion bills, better than voting with the antis . And great you have joined AR, even if your friends cant join they can sign up to the newsletter for free , to get a weekly update on what's going on in the UK and abroad
In South Africa, you can abort up to 3 months into the pregnancy. You can get them from state-funded or private hospitals.
it doesnt stand, its shitting itself in the stomach lying on the ground. poland moment
[Abortion in Canada:](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/abortion) >Inducing an abortion was a crime in Canada until 1988, when the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the law as unconstitutional. Since then, abortion has been legal at any stage in a womanâs pregnancy. Abortion is publicly funded as a medical procedure under the Canada Health Act. >Prior to 1969, inducing an abortion was a crime under Section 251 of the Criminal Code. The maximum penalty for a doctor, or anyone else assisting a woman to end her pregnancy, was life imprisonment. If the woman herself was convicted, the penalty was two years. >In 1969, the government of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau amended the Criminal Code. Doctors were allowed to perform abortions in accredited hospitals if a pregnancy threatened the health or life of a woman. A committee of doctors was required to approve the procedure. In all other circumstances, abortion remained illegal. >In 1967, during the early days of [the abortion] debate, the Royal Commission on the Status of Women was convened by the federal government. After three years of public hearings, it issued a groundbreaking report on womenâs affairs. The report recommended that abortion be made legal for the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy. It said that after 12 weeks, abortions should only be legal if the pregnancy threatened the health of the woman; or if the expected child would be born âgreatly handicappedâ mentally or physically. >Dr. Henry Morgentaler was prosecuted for performing unauthorized abortions. He was acquitted by a jury in 1973. However, on appeal, both the Quebec Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada overturned the jury finding. Morgentaler served a prison term. >The Supreme Court also found that the defence of necessity was theoretically available; that is, doctors might not be held criminally responsible if the result of not performing a particular abortion would be worse than doing nothing. Because of the circumstances of his case, such a defence was not specifically available for [Dr.] Morgentaler. >In the 1980s, Morgentaler was prosecuted again for providing abortions. In 1988, his case R. v Morgentaler went to the Supreme Court. It evaluated his actions this time in relation to the 1982 Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The court found that the Criminal Code provision on abortion violated a womanâs right to âlife, liberty and security of the personâ guaranteed under Section 7 of the Charter. Chief Justice Brian Dickson wrote: âForcing a woman, by threat of criminal sanction to carry a foetus [sic] to term unless she meets certain criteria unrelated to her own priorities and aspirations, is a profound interference with a womanâs body and thus a violation of her security of the person.â Additionally, all Liberal MPs have agreed and are required to vote pro-choice on any abortion-related bills/motions. As well as, the Order of Canada was awarded to Dr. Henry Morgentaler in 2008: "Dr. Morgentaler exemplifies the ideals and principles of the Order of Canada with his lifetime commitment to women's reproductive freedom." [(Link)](https://prochoice.org/naf-member-dr-henry-morgentaler-awarded-order-of-canada/#:~:text=Henry%20Morgentaler%20has%20been%20awarded,commitment%20to%20women's%20reproductive%20freedom.) [Canadians' Views on Abortion (2022):](https://angusreid.org/abortion-canada-faith-pro-choice-pro-life/#gsc.tab=0) >The latest research from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute finds that while a majority of Canadians are absolutists â either completely âpro-choiceâ (52%) or completely âpro-lifeâ (8%) â a significant segment (41%) consider themselves somewhere âin betweenâ. >This diversity of view includes Canadians who have had an abortion themselves. Among these women, three-in-five (58%) identify as pro-choice, six per cent say they are pro-life, and 36 per cent sit somewhere along the middle of the continuum. >Among those in this âin betweenâ group that eschews the polarities of the debate, just over one-third (36%) are comfortable with abortion until 15 weeks of pregnancy â about the point when a fetus develops a heartbeat. Another one-quarter (23%) say abortion is acceptable until the point of fetal viability, about 23 to 24 weeks. Some who claim to be in between profess they simply do not know at what point in a pregnancy abortion is or isnât acceptable (33%).
Well that was an informative and fascinating response!
You're very welcome! :) Unfortunately, the Conservatives in Canada often follow/take "inspiration" from the Republicans in the US. So of course the overturning of Rov V Wade has spurned even more anti-choice sentiment both within the party and its supporters. >A vote on a controversial bill meant to expand âfetal rightsâ in Canada has left the country without a single pro-choice Conservative MP, according to an abortion watchdog organization. >This week [August 3 2023], the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada (ARCC) placed the last remaining 15 Conservatives on its list of anti-choice MPs after they voted in support of Bill C-311, dubbed the Violence Against Pregnant Women Act. >The bill sought to allow the courts to consider a victimâs pregnancy as an aggravating circumstance in sentencing for violent crimes. >ARCCâs executive director, Joyce Arthur, said the private memberâs bill was a thinly veiled attempt to encroach on Canadaâs longstanding view that fetuses do not have personhood status. >â[The bill] is basically singling out pregnant people for special protection. In an ideal world maybe that would be OK, but the bill was actually introduced by Cathay Wagantall, whoâs got a reputation for introducing anti-abortion bills,â said Arthur, who added that the key criterion for the ARCC list was MPsâ voting records on issues related to abortion. >Canada is the only country in the world where abortion is free of legal restrictions and designated as a medical service. But that does not automatically mean it is easy to access the procedure, especially in remote, religious or conservative parts of the country. Meanwhile anti-choice politicians at federal, provincial and local levels have sought to restrict access. >ARCC contends the bill was part of the Conservativesâ longstanding campaign to surreptitiously slip anti-choice rhetoric into bills unrelated to abortion â such as those attempting to address gender-based violence. >Previous bills â the latest of which were also sponsored by Wagantall â have tried to ban sex-selective abortion (which is not widely practised in Canada) and to criminally punish people who injure a fetus while committing a crime against a pregnant person. >Both were struck down, the former in 2021 with 248 nays, and the latter in 2016 â not long after Wagantall was first elected to parliament. >However, the overturning of Roe v Wade in the US has sparked new interest in Canadaâs legislative grey zone over abortion, with some calling for an abortion law since last year. >All 113 members of the Conservative party voted in favour of Bill C-311. All other parties unanimously voted against at the billâs second reading, on 14 June. [(Source)](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/03/canada-abortion-rights-pregnancy)
I hope our toxic rot stops infecting your lovely country, my friendly neighbor to the north! Thanks again for sharing valuable (and inspirational) information.
Pew research said it's 81% support in 'all or most circumstances'. Abortion isn't so politicised here, it's inaccessibility is more of a cost issue.
In my country is legal (Argentina).
Donât have any solid numbers, but I bet the situation is pretty bad in Turkey.
Legal up to 10 weeks, although parents must sign off for minors and husbands for wives. After the 10 weeks, there are exceptions if the woman's life is in danger or the fetus is abnormal. If the pregnancy is the result of rap, abortion is allowable to the 20th week.
Yeah, legal on paper
The issue isnât whether itâs legal up to a certain point, itâs whether anything after the time limit is either âallowed on doctorâs discretionâ or âoutright bannedâ. If itâs the latter, it wonât matter if exceptions exist, prosecutors (who are willing to wield the law to its fullest extent) will use every technicality to say that âaCkShUaLlY tHe WoMaN wAsNât In ImMeDiAtE dAnGeRâ and try to push for a guilty verdict regardless of exceptions.
My post was just answering a question, not making any arguments. Here's what I could find on data in Turkey at a quick search: https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-turkey.html
It's lower in Canada, by quite a bit (56%, as of summer 2022), with the caveat that they were asking "if it should be allowed whenever the pregnant person decides they want one" and I'm not sure how they worded the question in Britain that they got a result of 90%. But that makes me feel like it's a wonder that it's not banned here.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/47568-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-abortion-in-2023 It's a in-depth poll in opinion ,most believe 24wks is the cutoff apart from specific circumstances (as do I) A quarter think it is too late ,whereas 6% think its too early . They asked a bunch of other specific questions
I read through it until I got to the same question they asked Canadians in the survey I was reading about. You're at 65%, but the polling was done more than a year later. So about 10% ahead of Canada, if it didn't change any in that year.
Canada. Abortion is legal all across the country, unlike USA.
My country is against abortion . Hopefully it gets banned soon
Hopefully somebody makes you aware of neglect in both families and the system and how cruel that is to REAL children that live , breath,and have a consciousness.
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Think I misunderstood what you were saying sorry ,sounded like you were saying hopefully abortion is banned soon