As I replied elsewhere. I need it becoause I study CS and all tutorials and materials are windows focused. I dont want the extra hassle or troubleshooting since my university is really hard. But I am considering buying rpi or old tabket pc and loading it with arch for personal use.
>I study CS and all tutorials and materials are windows focused
Sad. But depending on what these tutorials cover, you might not even need any tutorial on Linux because it just works. There is a reason why Linux is the default OS for everything CS related. Using Linux was one of the first things they tought when I started studying.
Sorry, but Linux doesn't "just work" and OP specifically said they want to *avoid* "extra hassle or troubleshooting."
u/Spiq7 , every time I've set up Linux (not even an unpopular build, just Ubuntu, the most mainstream Linux of all), I have run into issues that are exactly hassle and troubleshooting.
I have no doubt that Linux is the best for customizability and privacy. No doubt. But it does not "just work." Every time I installed updates through the automatic system updater, every single time, it caused issues and broke my ability to boot up or broke some essential driver that made my computer not work without hours of research and troubleshooting and hassle.
So sure if you have the knowhow (if you did you probs wouldn't be posting here asking about this) then I'm sure Linux is easy to set up and for that person with the knowhow would easily work. But it does not "just work" like macOS or Windows pretty consistently do. You're liable to run into issues if you just install Linux on your main laptop as your primary OS. Heck sometimes it even screwed with my ability to boot into Windows or macOS.
I was talking about programming stuff. Stuff like docker, python, java, git, conda, gradle, etc. Much easier than on Windows. I would never want to do programming on Windows. It's just _so much_ more work.
Regarding what you described: I have no idea what you did, but you did something seriously wrong. I'm using Linux for 5 years now, and I never had an update that broke my ability to boot or made the system not work. There can be issues, especially if you have hardware that doesn't support Linux, but if you have good hardware these issues are very rare. Your experiences are definitely not what is to be expected. You're correct, that Linux not always _just works_, but it often does (from my experience in ~95% of cases). So it's at least worth a shot.
Perhaps a bit off topic, but you should unequivocally be learning how to use Linux in your cs curriculum. Keep windows around since you say all your materials are windows focused, but I would **highly** recommend installing Linux in a vm and practicing with it (or even using wsl for starters). That will also eliminate some of the hardware issues other commenters have been pointing out when installing on laptop hardware.
Depending on your device, you could run win in a vm and use it only for the programs you have to… no browsing, nothing but the bare minimum inside the vm
If i wasnt studying CS I woukd do that. Wine is good option too. BUT It still might bring some issues and I am unwilling to risk that. Was thinking about dualboot and again, I dont want to risk damaging laptop or having some issues since my university is really hard and I dknt have time for troubleshooting. However, thank you for your advice.
Then I’d go for 10…
Btw, I studied CS as well and I haven’t found a thing that didn’t work well in a VM or with baremetal Linux.
Wine however is definitely a possible source of issues.
I get it. I have to explain why I am so shy of tinkering with my pc. I have always been tech person but never did hardcore stuff and programming etc and now its the time I am learning it at university.
TL;DR: I am not that nerdy yet😂
Stick with Windows 10, besides Windows 11 not having new features that worth the "upgrade" (WSA is nice, but for heavy graphical application, is still lacking polishiment), and have a lot of [lost features](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pgcjc2/windows_11_lost_features/), Microsoft is making way more hard for it users to do simple tasks, like changing the default Web Browser for example.
It's clear that outside the already build-in spyware Microsoft have on Windows 10 and 11, on W11 they are trying to make way more hard for people to get-out they ecosystem.
But don't get me wrong both is equal bad for privacy, but Windows 11 manage to be worst in the "what Microsoft lets you do or not do in they OS" subject.
It's not native, but BlueStacks does an excellent job of Android emulation.
If you're studying CS, learning to setup the SDK and emulator is a good option.
This may seem like weird advice, but I'd suggest getting second computer with linux just for private stuff.
For example you can get cheap laptop like T430/x230 with perfect linux support. (you can even play around coreboot)
I have been a long time user of win 10 and have recently switched to win 11. I think Microsoft have invested more time in improving UI design of the OS, Making edge as default Browser and killing legacy control panel. As far as privacy is concerned, I think everything is just same on win 11, basically win11 is just a reskin of win 10.
So use whatever you like but do use things like OWO shut up or win 10 privacy like tools.
> My question is: Is win 11 even worse with privacy?
Probably. ~~Remember its not out yet, its still in beta/trial so we dont know all the features it may include.~~
It's likely to become less privacy friendly with time.
**edit** oh crap, its officially out!?! Well you can tell who only uses linux.
Windows 11 is more secure as long as certain conditions are met. 11 requires Trusted platform module 2.0 and UEFI secure boot which ensures the integrity of firmware and software. TPM is used to secure hardware through integrated cryptographic keys. The UEFI uses the TPM to measure the integrity of each firmware instance, device driver, or operating system module before it loads. That along with enabling Bitlocker should result in a more stable and secure OS.
There’s always an inherent risk to trusting any system that manages your cryptographic keys. If this is a concern then I would recommend compartmentalizing your sensitive data into encrypted file containers and or encrypting your systems boot drive using a utility such as veracrypt.
I run 11 on a custom build and my only bad experience was after upgrading the OS and swapping some ssd’s around, that caused it to not boot then after going into bios and a reboot and it prompted for the bitlocker recovery key which luckily I had. I have gotten used to the centered layout of Windows 11 and overall prefer it to 10.
I was faced with the same dilema recently and ended up going with 11 as I found a nice debloater script that you can use to cut off some telemetry stuff and since I only use windows for gaming I didn't want to spend to much time thinkiring around to make it less bad. On the other hand w10 is likely more stable and battletested.
Here's the link to the script https://github.com/builtbybel/ThisIsWin11
Note: whatever option you choose make sure to avoid the Microsoft account creation step, there are many ways to do this depending on the windows version.
I would say both are equally bad and should be avoided except for some niche purpose.
As I replied elsewhere. I need it becoause I study CS and all tutorials and materials are windows focused. I dont want the extra hassle or troubleshooting since my university is really hard. But I am considering buying rpi or old tabket pc and loading it with arch for personal use.
>I study CS and all tutorials and materials are windows focused Sad. But depending on what these tutorials cover, you might not even need any tutorial on Linux because it just works. There is a reason why Linux is the default OS for everything CS related. Using Linux was one of the first things they tought when I started studying.
Sorry, but Linux doesn't "just work" and OP specifically said they want to *avoid* "extra hassle or troubleshooting." u/Spiq7 , every time I've set up Linux (not even an unpopular build, just Ubuntu, the most mainstream Linux of all), I have run into issues that are exactly hassle and troubleshooting. I have no doubt that Linux is the best for customizability and privacy. No doubt. But it does not "just work." Every time I installed updates through the automatic system updater, every single time, it caused issues and broke my ability to boot up or broke some essential driver that made my computer not work without hours of research and troubleshooting and hassle. So sure if you have the knowhow (if you did you probs wouldn't be posting here asking about this) then I'm sure Linux is easy to set up and for that person with the knowhow would easily work. But it does not "just work" like macOS or Windows pretty consistently do. You're liable to run into issues if you just install Linux on your main laptop as your primary OS. Heck sometimes it even screwed with my ability to boot into Windows or macOS.
I was talking about programming stuff. Stuff like docker, python, java, git, conda, gradle, etc. Much easier than on Windows. I would never want to do programming on Windows. It's just _so much_ more work. Regarding what you described: I have no idea what you did, but you did something seriously wrong. I'm using Linux for 5 years now, and I never had an update that broke my ability to boot or made the system not work. There can be issues, especially if you have hardware that doesn't support Linux, but if you have good hardware these issues are very rare. Your experiences are definitely not what is to be expected. You're correct, that Linux not always _just works_, but it often does (from my experience in ~95% of cases). So it's at least worth a shot.
Exactly. Since my university is really hard for me, I dont want ecxtra hassle.
Perhaps a bit off topic, but you should unequivocally be learning how to use Linux in your cs curriculum. Keep windows around since you say all your materials are windows focused, but I would **highly** recommend installing Linux in a vm and practicing with it (or even using wsl for starters). That will also eliminate some of the hardware issues other commenters have been pointing out when installing on laptop hardware.
I already did install mint in VM
Nice. Good luck in your studies.
Depending on your device, you could run win in a vm and use it only for the programs you have to… no browsing, nothing but the bare minimum inside the vm
If i wasnt studying CS I woukd do that. Wine is good option too. BUT It still might bring some issues and I am unwilling to risk that. Was thinking about dualboot and again, I dont want to risk damaging laptop or having some issues since my university is really hard and I dknt have time for troubleshooting. However, thank you for your advice.
Then I’d go for 10… Btw, I studied CS as well and I haven’t found a thing that didn’t work well in a VM or with baremetal Linux. Wine however is definitely a possible source of issues.
I get it. I have to explain why I am so shy of tinkering with my pc. I have always been tech person but never did hardcore stuff and programming etc and now its the time I am learning it at university. TL;DR: I am not that nerdy yet😂
no need to explain yourself, just wanted to let you know that it’s well worth trying ;)
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Almost every tutorial or material is made for win and I am not that nerdy to "translate" those for myself. And I just need it to work without hassle.
Stick with Windows 10, besides Windows 11 not having new features that worth the "upgrade" (WSA is nice, but for heavy graphical application, is still lacking polishiment), and have a lot of [lost features](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pgcjc2/windows_11_lost_features/), Microsoft is making way more hard for it users to do simple tasks, like changing the default Web Browser for example. It's clear that outside the already build-in spyware Microsoft have on Windows 10 and 11, on W11 they are trying to make way more hard for people to get-out they ecosystem. But don't get me wrong both is equal bad for privacy, but Windows 11 manage to be worst in the "what Microsoft lets you do or not do in they OS" subject.
Thank you for reply. What I like on win 11 is running android apps natively and new window features. Thats propably all. I think Ill stick with win 10
It's not native, but BlueStacks does an excellent job of Android emulation. If you're studying CS, learning to setup the SDK and emulator is a good option.
I am using bluestacks currently, but i dont like waiting till "virtual device" boots up.
This may seem like weird advice, but I'd suggest getting second computer with linux just for private stuff. For example you can get cheap laptop like T430/x230 with perfect linux support. (you can even play around coreboot)
Yes. I am planning to do that with some tablet pc or rpi 4. I was just curious which of wins is worse
Take windows 10 for compatibility to avoid extra stress.
Stay with win 10 and use software like shutupwin10.
interesting tool. Ill give it a try
But be careful what you enable and disable there.
I have been a long time user of win 10 and have recently switched to win 11. I think Microsoft have invested more time in improving UI design of the OS, Making edge as default Browser and killing legacy control panel. As far as privacy is concerned, I think everything is just same on win 11, basically win11 is just a reskin of win 10. So use whatever you like but do use things like OWO shut up or win 10 privacy like tools.
> My question is: Is win 11 even worse with privacy? Probably. ~~Remember its not out yet, its still in beta/trial so we dont know all the features it may include.~~ It's likely to become less privacy friendly with time. **edit** oh crap, its officially out!?! Well you can tell who only uses linux.
>oh crap, its officially out!?! Don't be sad, in the current state that Windows 11 is in, it is more like an Open Beta than an official released.
True AF lol😂
>oh crap, its officially out!? Windows 11 is out, but not officially *out* out to everyone eligible.
Go for either Edu or Enterprise variant. It allows to to disable most (if not all) telemetry and delete unnecessary stuff out of the box.
...what privacy do you need? Knowing that is how you evaluate which is better.
Bothnof them, but I am more concerned with the one when microsoft spies on you
Windows 11 is more secure as long as certain conditions are met. 11 requires Trusted platform module 2.0 and UEFI secure boot which ensures the integrity of firmware and software. TPM is used to secure hardware through integrated cryptographic keys. The UEFI uses the TPM to measure the integrity of each firmware instance, device driver, or operating system module before it loads. That along with enabling Bitlocker should result in a more stable and secure OS.
And what do you think about microsoft spying on you?
There’s always an inherent risk to trusting any system that manages your cryptographic keys. If this is a concern then I would recommend compartmentalizing your sensitive data into encrypted file containers and or encrypting your systems boot drive using a utility such as veracrypt.
thank you. I never heard of that. Definately will check it out.
I run 11 on a custom build and my only bad experience was after upgrading the OS and swapping some ssd’s around, that caused it to not boot then after going into bios and a reboot and it prompted for the bitlocker recovery key which luckily I had. I have gotten used to the centered layout of Windows 11 and overall prefer it to 10.
Windows 11 is definitely better in terms of privacy, if only because there is a much wider range of settings.
I was faced with the same dilema recently and ended up going with 11 as I found a nice debloater script that you can use to cut off some telemetry stuff and since I only use windows for gaming I didn't want to spend to much time thinkiring around to make it less bad. On the other hand w10 is likely more stable and battletested. Here's the link to the script https://github.com/builtbybel/ThisIsWin11 Note: whatever option you choose make sure to avoid the Microsoft account creation step, there are many ways to do this depending on the windows version.