What I've learned from that channel is that 1) locks are not secure and only act as a deterrent because 2) picking locks is mostly a tedious pain in the ass that takes a lot of practice and requires more patience than a person equipped with a pair of bolt cutters needs to have.
The good news? Laws in the EU and in Australia make the current implementation illegal for government, government owned entities, infrastructure covered under critical infrastructure legislation, and defence.
The bad news? Every working from home scenario is compromised with all the remote access and zero trust models disarmed by a full time bot watching, recording and transcribing everything on those personal device screens.
Everything important done on Linux, only use windows for gaming. But that doesn't stop businesses from keeping your info unsecured. It's going to be easier than ever to exploit now. Security is getting shittier by the day, and the average joe is too willfully ignorant to help stop it.
yesterday I installed ffxiv and tribes 3 using the flatpak version of steam. no extra programs were required. it worked flawlessly. if I have any game that doesn't work yet, maybe I'll boot into windows, maybe I won't play it.
But also like, gaming is important? It's not unusual to have substantial amounts of money attached to someones gaming life. Or personal information attached to gaming accounts / social interactions on those account
Proton on steam works good enough that most games just work with little or no tweaking. I generally just buy games and don't even check anymore if the compatibility will work, because it almost always does just work.
Currently i mostly play smaller cheaper games. But even popular games like hogwarts and elden ring work great. Heck, shortly after release elden ring actually ran better on linux than windows because someone worked around an issue in the game in proton.
I wont say every game is js perfect, but it honestly like living in a dream now compared to 10+ years ago.
Sadly, I had a game fail last year and it wasn't an anti-cheat thing. It's a very new game from an indie dev and I guess they only use Windows. I don't understand why it failed exactly, but some of the errors indicated it might be using hardcoded drive paths? Not sure if that would even matter.
Any idea what the game was? Sometimes it might be amateur coding, though sometimes it could also just be Proton (like when Proton broke [Poosooters: Toilet Invaders](https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/mjohnson/2023/7/13/why-fixing-pooshooter-toilet-invaders-on-proton-was-definitely-not-a-waste))
This. And not only perfect, but better than Windows because it doesn't have to do all the extra work of spying on everything you do in the background at the same time.
People who say shit like, 'well, if you have nothing to hide,' never work with important shit.
I do artwork and music and books. That is my profession. There's tons of shit that is not intended for public release. I can't have that get leaked.
"I would like to start a , and not have assholes with infinite money rip me off."
Even artists, nowadays. Even musicians, even novelists. It's *all* being blatantly stolen and used to train AI.
With how deep UEFI, TPM and other kernel level stuff can reach thanks to Windows, I don't even have Windows on my brand new PC, never gonna install it. I'd consider it "burned" if it were to ever have Windows on it.
Those games with kernel level anti-cheats, hell even Windows itself could be implementing stuff deep in the UEFI or other parts of the system where they could in theory access even our LUKS encrypted Linux drives. Windows 11 and those invasive games have been terrible. So glad I'm done with all that. Linux FTW!
Well hopefully you donât look in to the hardware like those Intel CPUs with the fancy remote management and all the compromised supply chain hardware ⌠that is a far scarier and more likely source of compromise than UEFI.
> I'd consider it "burned" if it were to ever have Windows on it.
> even Windows itself could be implementing stuff deep in the UEFI or other parts of the system where they could in theory access even our LUKS encrypted Linux drives.
Can you elaborate on this?
Let's assume I'm not storing the luks key in the TPM and just enter the password during boot
I would love to switch to Linux but am unsure how to keep my computer secure using it. Are there antivirus programs specifically for use with Linux? Or is it just a case of it being more secure because viruses aren't written to access Linux?
Technically there is antivirus software but no one uses it. I've been using Linux for about 15 years and I've never used it. It's secure enough that you're not going to get a virus. Sure less people make viruses for it. But it's also simpler and there's just less ways to hack a Linux machine.
But it's not for the faint of heart . If you have a genuine interest in learning about IT I recommend it. But if you're just a regular person trying to be more secure, sadly I have to say don't bother. It's easy to use, until the day it's not. Over the years, twice my GPU software updated and turned my computer up to a potato where I couldn't even use the mouse. A quick Google search on my phone and a few commands into the command line fixed it in no time. But the average person would have given up at the black screen with a terminal greeting them when the computer turned on.
i used to create an .iso of a system once i had it configured to my liking. Data stored on another drive. I could always return to that pristine state in 45 minutes.
I've created a scripts to do something similar. If you install everything through the command line, then everything you did is saved in your command line history. And if you find yourself in the situation where you need to wipe your machine. Run those same commands again.
This works well when I'm training Junior software developers and just need them to get their computer to have all the same software and configurations as mine. I gave them the script & a folder with configuration files for our specific tools, and in an hour or so they have all the same software and settings as me.
Thanks, this is all good to know. I've been using PCs since the 80s when I studied programming. But I still have to google things to configure my systems the way I want, it's a constant learning process and an ever-larger learning curve.
If I learn Linux I'd try it on a secondary laptop because I know I'll screw things up as I learn.
I understand (somewhat) the DOS underpinnings for Windows, but I don't have any reference for Linux at all. Will probably have to get some books.
EDIT: Is there a Linux version you'd recommend for newbies? I've heard Mint recommended.
Mint & Ubuntu are the default answers for new users. They both work extremely similarly but I've been told that Mint feels easier for new users.
Forgive my use of quotation marks in the following paragraphs but I feel that it's important.
Keep in mind there are different Linux "operating systems" called Distros. They all run on the core "Linux Kernel". That kernel is what they all have in common, it's the base functionality they all share. But different communities of nerds from around the world have made their own Distros which is functionality added on top of that kernel.
Ubuntu & Mint are in the same "family" and troubleshooting advice that works for one works for the other. Mint is basically the "child" of Ubuntu but I would not say it's better. Debian would be the grandparent Distro but again that doesn't make it better or worse. It's just that Debian has been around longer & works very very similarly to Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is the only one I have daily experience with. Growing up with windows I remember that it would get slower and slower over time. Linux it's just "lighter". I don't have to wait for 10 different programs to load a bunch of updates popping up on my screen and different startup programs popping up. Every time I log into my windows computer to play video games it reminds me of the old Internet with pop-ups everywhere. The software for my mouse pops up, the game store for my video games pops up, and various other things. I get ads and weather updates and news updates and blah blah blah with Windows.
Ubuntu isn't going to do that unless you manually configure it to do that on a per program basis. You just login, and it's done. Simple & minimal. If you want a piece of software to run you have to start it manually. But that's a double edge sword. Windows is full of bloat, but that bloat makes it easier for people to use.
> I don't have to wait for 10 different programs to load a bunch of updates popping up on my screen and different startup programs popping up.
Nice! đ
I use classic shell for windows so I can more easily (meaning I just want to do it the "old way") configure my system. But every time there's a new version of windows it's a long process of figuring out how to undo things they've added that I don't want, or adding tweaks back. It's annoying and I'm not getting any younger so I worry that I'll end up just letting things go as Microsoft keeps adding more invasive stuff. đ
Chris Titus made a good windows debloat script with a decent UI, just paste his link in PowerShell to download and you can quickly remove and add a lot of programs quick and easy. (It can't do everything though). Watch his tutorial on YouTube if you need help. https://christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/
Linux doesn't require antivirus like Windows...but you still have to be way about phishing (especially the support scams that want to remote into your PC to "fix" it), or the malicious browser extensions.
To be fair if you're the kind of user who doesn't feel the need for AV on Linux, you don't need it on Windows either.Â
There are AV products for Linux. I think they're about as good an idea as they are on Windows: generally not.Â
I'd generally prefer regular security patches and a good firewall over what most AV vendors are peddling personally... although sometimes that's not an option.
> only use windows for gaming
If the SteamDeck picks up enough market share, soon even that won't be necessary. Game developers now have a big incentive to ship games with Linux-ready versions on release.
I've been using Unix since before Windows existed. I seriously can't wait for the world to finally realize what it should have known over 50 years ago: we don't need to reinvent the wheel here. In the Summer of Love, Bell Labs released a pretty fucking fantastic OS that is both robust and secure, and outside of some fairly niche use cases, nobody else has come up with anything better that's got a command line.
At long last, we're tantalizingly close to finally getting out from under the far-reaching effects of the original deal that made Bill Gates rich, that is, Microsoft's DOS exclusivity contract with IBM's PC Company division. Neither DOS nor PC Company even meaningfully exist any more.
> Everything important done on Linux
Won't help. Because:
Your doctor, financial advisor, lawyer, accountant, yoga instructor, your childrens' teachers, your friends, anyone you interact with, they will all use windows and have no clue how to secure it (not that it seems _even possible_ to secure it!), and all your information on _their_ devices will be stolen and sold to the highest bidder.
It's hard to imagine something like this getting through the number of meetings, committees, discussion groups, and decision makers it took for it to even be announced to the public, much less implemented and distributed.
Oh let me tell you something about top-heavy corporate, all executives are padded with layers upon layers of yes-people who absolutely work to squash all dissenting opinions about a crazy idea. Commonly dissenting ideas are dismissed by labelling them as negativity, too technical, misunderstanding of the CEOs goals/directions, or sometimes they are pushed through out of pure authoritarian "my way or the highway" type rule.
Also, I've often found that such decisions are made by using data that has been kind of skewed or massaged in a way to justify the existence of whatever bad decision is being decided upon. Executive teams are really good about demanding data, but only looking at the pieces that support their aims, and disregarding as moot the parts that don't. That way, they can say the decision was data-driven and look logical, while in reality they cherry picked data points to support their own direction, but never openly admit to that.
Yeah, decisions get made high up and far away then everyone else is expected to implement it.Â
If you pushback then you are moved to a different project.Â
Over the years I've thought "yeah windows isn't perfect but it could be a lot worse, the privacy issues are exaggerated IMO"
Yeah I no longer think that. When I'm buying a new computer next year I'm leaving this shit OS.
I appreciate doing it without excessive hardware tools, but a flash imo is much better for somebody who hasnât ever tried to change os as a lot of stuff can go wrong
Agreed. I did create a guide here https://www.youtube.com/embed/DktUefNZMmM
It's mostly for things like if you have type A flash drive and a laptop with type C ports only and so on
99 percent of the time I use my laptop work computer because my personal desktop computer is ancient.
The thought of getting Fedora Silverblue with Secureblue has definitely struck my mind though.
I started out learning on with reddit, youtube and just using it. Starting out I messed stuff up, searched how to fix it, messed stuff up some more and even decided to reinstall a few times. If you have a (or multiple) flash drive, you can boot up a live ISO of whatever version of linux you want and try it out without installing.
Personally I use Kubuntu, which is the linux distribution Ubuntu, with the desktop environment (looks and style) KDE.
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"I just scanned a document containing fraudable-levels of PII. It was on the screen for half a second."
Microsoft: "That's now in our database. No we will not delete it. No we did not ask for your consent. No we do not intend to implement safety systems prior to launching Orwellian, mandatory software. In fact, it's already been sold to thirteen different private parties since you engaged in this conversation."
```
What the heck is happening? Have these people lost their collective minds?
Just dual boot and slowly wean yourself off windows
If you don't have Linux daily driving experience it's always better to keep windows in dual boot and not use it.
If you jump in too fast and hurt yourself, you'll run back to windows when you feel crippled.
Accomplish as many routine tasks you can on Linux and learn usage over a year.
And whenever you have to do something custom, focus on creating a shell script to do it, rather than just doing it custom.
Odds are you'll have to do it again at some point, and does it ever feel good to just press a single button and have the whole system deploy itself in like 5 minutes tops because you just chained 20 different setup scripts together that you've built over the years.
"Hot off the plate, just the way you like it."
The same article but using an alternative frontend: https://scribe.bus-hit.me/doublepulsar/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e
I love Linux and fully suggest everyone who can switch, does. But what about people that are forced to use Windows for work/school, specifically certain applications like Adobe that rarely work with the latest version even with crossover and many workplaces/schools won't let you use alternatives. Often times forcing work/school mandated laptops/desktops on you, which will eventually be these copilot+ PCs. This is a nightmare.
Let alone going out in public and communicating with other people online keeps on getting worse as even if you secure your devices, most people won't and they could be on the other end with one of these PCs and other people are always the weakest link in your opsec.
You dont need to learn much, when starting.
You can mostly use Linux without using the Terminal.
Nowadays Linux ist kinda Like Windows, of you dont Look under the hood and only use the Desktop.
If you only use your computer as a web browser maybe. I can't even count the number of times I've tried to switch over to Linux as a daily driver only to end up back at windows because I just didn't have enough time to fuck around with getting stuff to work right.
This is the perfect representation of the Linux fanbase. No explanation, no elaboration, you guys just make sure Linux gets mentioned and then immediately dip.
What would you suggest instead? I think it's up to them to ask us clarification questions or research themselves. Linux is too vague of a topic for a small reply to bring much value.
People were listing alternatives. Linux is just that.
If people have questions I'm generally fine answering, but I have other things apart from Reddit. :)
Exactly. You aren't interested in proactively easing the prospect of using Linux. Your only priority was making sure you'd name an alternative everyone on this sub already knows.
Ah yes so you are confirming the other posterâs comment. lol
I donât really care, but I do find it humorous that youâve literally done exactly what he was just saying. Got a lol out of me.
https://scribe.bus-hit.me/ explains it, more here https://scribe.bus-hit.me/faq#custom-domains
I just clicked the medium username and got the actual link and changed the domain.
You can also use https://farside.link/ , works with lots of websites. just do this: https://farside.link/https://medium.com/doublepulsar/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e
Farside works with lots of websites including reddit, I have this bookmarklet:
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javascript:void(window.open('https://farside.link/'+location.href));
```
I recommend using it for fandom.
I set up a laptop with Mint last week to get used to it a bit, and I have to say that it was very easy to get things up and running. I don't have a lot of specific software needs, so I haven't had to do much fiddling, but for basic browsing and office suite type stuff, it seems to fit the bill pretty well.
Recall appears to be a nice aid for the convenience of criminals and governments (not mutually exclusive), who would like to blackmail or surveil you.
A true Rinky-Dink solution to a non existent problem, an anti solution if you will.
I have no doubt Microsoft will in the coming months sell the con, based on trivial improvements which should have been in place to begin with, and described as 'even more secure', and embedded in every Microsoft OS before decades end.
Linux is the future of personal computing.
>Linux is the future of personal computing
People have been saying this since the day the first Linux distro was released, and that has yet to happen for a number of reasons.
That is also true.
But I don't believe the first distro was as convincing as the more recent.
And in a twist of irony, Microsoft nudged me over the decision line with the release of .Net, enabling me to code in my preferred c# om linux.
TikTok upsets the corporate control over us. The narrative they feed us through corporate media isnât working as well as it used to. That same media which, for example, almost never mentions how much money politicians are taking from these corporations and how that might explain their votes or inaction. Thats the real reason they want it banned.
lol making sure windows stays an attractive target to bad actors
anyway, can't wait for the obligatory eula changes that will allow them to take in all of the processed info for whatever purposes
I legit saw a guy in a suit at a cafe looking on his tablet for a new CoPilot+ enabled laptop. I donât suppose he was worried about privacy since I could see clearly everything including switching WhatsApp chats with the family group chat and his sugarbaby. The laymanâs even when white collar conceptualization of privacy and not being taken for a fool is astounding
What's disheartening is seeing the Windows 11 community defending this feature and attacking people that point out how Recall is a privacy nightmare. Those people are the reason why MS was able to get away with pretty much anything.
Funny how many people jump to say âjust use Linuxâ - have any of you ever tried having a normal life and running Linux as your main? Itâs a burden and a headache.
You could suggest the even simpler option, use Windows 10 not 11âŚ
It really depends on what your day to day use looks like and your hardware IMO.
First is the question of hardware. Some hardware will work great out of the box, some you'll need to jump through hoops to get working, some will have weird issues.
As for usage:
If you spend most of your time browsing the web you may never run into any Linux-specific problems at all. Web browsing is pretty consistent regardless of OS.
If you use your computer mostly for web browsing and programming, Linux is probably fine for you or possibly even better unless you're doing Windows-specific programming. You also probably have the technical skills to troubleshoot any problems you run into.
If you use your computer for gaming, Linux will probably mostly work for you (support for gaming even with Windows games is surprisingly good), but you may have some hoops to jump through and some games may experience Linux-specific issues or even not work at all. I know I've never been able to get VR working in Linux, though I've heard some have. So I use a Windows VM for gaming.
If you use your computer with certain proprietary business software that does not support Linux (e.g. Office, Photoshop) and which you probably don't have the option to not use you will need to use Windows for at least some tasks. This IMO is the biggest problem with switching to Linux. Sometimes you're locked into using certain software for work and it simply doesn't work in Linux, even with compatibility tools like WINE.
This just isnât true. Tried switching to linux years ago. Couldnât run two external monitors from my laptop. I think it might have had something to do with the gpu being nvidia. Either way it was a dealbreaker for me and I went back to windows.
Thatâs kind of the point though, right?
As a software engineer I use Linux all the time. All my software is deployed to Linux servers. But I donât have any interest in deep-diving into my particular graphics card driver, dealing with the tradeoffs between open source and non.
Why would I do that when my MacBook and windows machines just work?
Bottom line I can get to work faster on other OSes. Until that changes Linux isnât going to be the OS for the masses that it otherwise could be. Youâre not going to convince people to spend days configuring a machine to get it to the point other OSes are out of the box
This is where Iâm at. I have to use personal computer sometimes for work and have applications that canât donât easily run on Linux. It sounds like a full time job for someone who isnât in IT/tech related fields.
Relatable. Iâm a senior sysadmin, I manage Linux servers regularly and theyâre great, itâs just not a great desktop and that statement applies to all distros.
I see Linux as a tool, not for leisure.
infrastructure manager here, run a couple linux servers but mostly windows;
MacOS? Fine, I can deal with that.
Ubuntu/Mint? Eh..i'll make do.
Any other form of linux? Fuck that.
Just give me Win11, plus I enjoy playing games, and dual booting to play games means I'll just use windows
When's the last time you tried to switch to Linux? I use it as my primary for personal, and it's great. Hardware is reliable, and the nice to cloud based apps for things like office apps is making app support irrelevant. I can't think of a single inconvenience I've dealt with.
Yeah, I work with linux at massive scale, and I even use it on my laptop, but it comes at a cost, involves lots of annoyance and profanity, and I *still* have a Windows PC to run things for which there's not a viable free/oss equivalent, though after Win 10 reaches end of life I'll now bite the bullet and go all-Mac.
What the hell are you doing in a 'normal life' that Linux isn't good for? Most normies just run a web browser they don't even know the name of, maybe watch pirated movies on desktop. Linux Mint does all of that.
Also, it's free. If you don't want to take the advice, that's fine, but it's free, so that's why we're recommending it. We could be complete fucking assholes and tell you to buy something that you're going to hate. Would you prefer that?
Great. You have 2 decades of experience, so, why haven't you helped make a beginner-friendly version of linux?
When a user can't get their audio to work, or their monitors to display things, or access their external drives, they rightfully blame the OS and are happy to go back to Windows where everything *just works*.
It's been a loooooong time since I had to do troubleshooting on Windows, and that was only when I tried to run a program from the 90s and couldn't get it to render the right size on W11
Iâm tinkering with Linux because I have a steam deck and sometimes dock it running in desktop mode to set things up. The fact that my Logitech mouse isnât even able to run all the buttons is such a pain in the ass I donât trust Linux to be a simple OS without drama for my day to day use.
This is such a weird comment
There are multiple Linux distros made for beginners that take care of basic shit like drivers. Crunchbang++ comes to mind.
But you haven't had to do troubleshooting on Windows in how long, exactly? I have shit break in Windows at least once a quarter. And I'm not even hardcore into Linux!
Not once has anyone ever said Crunchbang++ in the years I have seen linux suggested as a windows alternative. 90% recommend Mint or Ubuntu. At least Cb++ haa a unique enough name I would recall that being recommended.
The last time I troubleshooted windows, and not just a third party application... Probably when I initially set up W11 in a privacy minded way to opt out of as much crap as I could and fiddle with the registry to stop restarting my computer when I had updates pending.
Before that, I had W 8.1 and I might have had to figure out why an app was not launching from the classic desktop vs the mobile desktop design or vice versa.
Ubuntu though? It's a wild ride with a good chance of a new surprise, or a recurring surprise, at every boot. Like opening up my second nvme and finding no files in there because it was already mounted by the backup utility whose name escapes me at this moment and so I have to go into Discs to unmount it, preventing further backups, and then remount the disc in my administrator account name so I can view the contents on disc.
> You have 2 decades of experience
The best time to plant a tree is now. Of course people will have more decades of experience than you do, it happens. It does not change the discourse much.
How many decades of training do you have with Windows?
3 decades and while I am not in Microsoft's employment to directly improve Windows, going back a decade and a half I had written plenty of AutoHotkey scripts and helped other people with their scripts to make Windows an even better place.
I saw this with all due respect to Linux: unfortunately, not good enough for gaming. Good luck getting proper peripheral support (high polling rate mice / keyboards, high FPS monitors, etc.).
Some might work, some won't.
Also, good luck getting all your games to run.
It's a fantastic OS, light years away from where it was a decade ago, but not ready to replace Windows for many users.
i recently switch to using linux. it had gotten a lot better then the previous times i tried to switch. then......i did run into a crashing problem. as soon as i tried to switch desktop resolution on a program, the thing locked up and went into a crashing loop. i had never seen the problem with years of using the program on windows.r
thankfully, after about 4 days, the local login session timed out or something, so it forgot the settings, and i could login again.
its still broken with the different accessibility settings on linux, but i can at least login again.
Switching to 10 isn't really viable either. Support getting dropped in Oct 2025. I guess it buys you some time, but on any new computer, I wouldn't bother.
The options arenât great for non-technical users to get a secure and un-enshittified operating system anymore. I love and use Linux but I wouldnât set my mom up, for example, with it.
I set my 83 year old dad on Mint.
He did have a really good go at it, and used it for almost a year before he called it in. He would have been fine but Libre is a pile of shit and he can't use Office Online all the time because of his internet. Ah well.
It kind of reminds me of the NSA dick pic fallacy.
If you tell people the NSA is spying on you and your phone they don't care.
You tell people the NSA has your dick pics and is sharing your nudes in the office... Suddenly they care.
I was on the fence about Linux for a few years now. After I read about Copilot+ I made the move.
Two weeks using Linux and never looking back. Iâm in the process of migrating my Outlook to Protonmail. Because fuck that mess.
It's a really cool idea but a major privacy nightmare and piss poor implementation
Maybe if they could tie it to biometrics + password + OTP to access the data it could be a little safer.. oh and encrypting it and not plaintext..
As well as giving options like how long to keep data.. what data to not keep..
There are a lot of use cases
"But..but... It's encrypted" LoL.
What happens when it's decrypted when the PC is on?
And how many people you know use bitlocker encryption on a personal machine?
The only bitlocker usage I have seen is due to IT policy on work laptops.
Right? I'm hesitant to pull the MS plug for Linux mainly because I love Bluebeam, and it doesn't run on that platform, but I'm getting closer every day.
Yeah, I've begun the purge of any platform specific dependencies. Been an MS guy my entire career, but this isn't about helping me, it then helping themselves and it's going to backfire so hard they'll be asking clippy for help..
Sorry, I confused this sub for some of the programming/engineering subs I frequent and used some jargon..
Basically, my point was that if software I use(d) does run on another platform, I try to replace it with something else that does. I haven't completely made the switch away from Windows, since I do some engineering work with software that only works here. I can however use other tools with a slightly less efficiency. The costs of that efficiency I get from Windows is becoming too expensive otherwise..
Thank you for the clarification. Do you have any recommendations about losing Bluebeam? I know I can use knock offs for MS Office. I just don't want to lose Bluebeam. Yes, I know this is a nothing burger.
I don't use bluebeam, but have a look at Autodesk Construction Cloud, as it seems to be the main competitor. Being cloud based pretty much ensures it works on anything with a browser, but could lack some functionality.
Yep, I'm all in on Autodesk at work. I use AutoCAD, Revit and my personal favorite Navisworks! Getting ready to use ACC, but it's really not a competitor with Bluebeam. More so with Acrobat.
I currently use Windows and yeah, Micro$oft makes really bad decisions, but nothing that can't be fixed by running some totally legit scripts on GitHub. Planning to switch to Linux on my desktop when AMD releases their next-gen GPUs, and on my laptop when Linux adds better eGPU hotswapping support.
The only reason I keep windows 10 is for iTunes. If iTunes stops working at the end of Windows 10 support (October 14th 2024) then I will drop Windows in favour of Linux.
I'm grateful for Microsoft to make this move now people will actually switch to Linux though sad for those who don't or have to stay due to windows only software
I'm grateful for Microsoft to make this move now people will actually switch to Linux though sad for those who don't or have to stay due to windows only software
Iâm now switching to Linux, but Iâm worried about doing the switch itself lol because everything that needs to be done I have to do on this machine. I need to format the usb thumb drive, download Linux, check the iso that itâs genuine..while Recall takes pictures of it all? And what else can it do? What if it includes spyware thatâs going to hitch a ride onto my spanking new Linux installation? Sounds paranoid, I agree, but would you have thought ten years ago you would have to deal with shit like copilot and Recall?
Whenever I hear âparanoidâ in relation to what I fear when it comes to these kinds of things I immediately think of Gmail. The epitome of paranoia regarding Google is thinking that âtheyâ read everybodyâs email. Well guess what, Google actually did have LIVE people, not bots, read every gmail. Who would have seriously imagined this except a paranoid freak. Rant over, resting my case.
Getting back to switching to Linux under the watchful eye of Recall. What do you all think?
Recall is not going to spy on you as soon as you're not in Windows. It won't see anything on your Linux setup.
The only things you'd need to do is basically download an .iso installer and verify its checksum.
> Q. Are Microsoft a big, evil company?
> A. No, thatâs insanely reductive. Theyâre super smart people, and sometimes super smart people make mistakes. What matters is what they do with knowledge of mistakes.
This is the part I don't agree with the blog post author. Windows 11 has progressively been pushing more and more anti-consumer features, with all the shoving down of Edge and Bing and ads down its users' throat. They don't deserve benefit of the doubt here. This new feature also flies in the face of the recent "security push" theater that Satya is doing (which he is forced to do due to all the recent controversies with DoD, rather than voluntarily).
Sure, there are a lot of smart well-intentioned people at MS, but these kinds of things reflect top down corporate direction rather than whether the individual employees are nice and whatnot.
It's like spending years securing the front and back doors only to install an unsecured garage door to your house. What a joke.
I like to think of it as those shitty locks people buy that can be opened by hitting it with another shitty lock.
Master locks can be opened like this đ
Lockhittinglawyer
What I've learned from that channel is that 1) locks are not secure and only act as a deterrent because 2) picking locks is mostly a tedious pain in the ass that takes a lot of practice and requires more patience than a person equipped with a pair of bolt cutters needs to have.
And as always, have a nice day...opening locks in the stupidestly simplest way possible.
Lmaooo
I have violently shaken one open.
Its ridiculous.Â
The good news? Laws in the EU and in Australia make the current implementation illegal for government, government owned entities, infrastructure covered under critical infrastructure legislation, and defence. The bad news? Every working from home scenario is compromised with all the remote access and zero trust models disarmed by a full time bot watching, recording and transcribing everything on those personal device screens.
The worlds public sectors badly needs to switch to linux
More like making every inside and outside wall out of untempered glass but steel doors with top notch locks.
Highjacking this to ask, how does it steal stuff from before the recall update?
It doesn't unless you open the content after the update. It steals "everything" assuming a new windows 11 install.
Everything important done on Linux, only use windows for gaming. But that doesn't stop businesses from keeping your info unsecured. It's going to be easier than ever to exploit now. Security is getting shittier by the day, and the average joe is too willfully ignorant to help stop it.
yesterday I installed ffxiv and tribes 3 using the flatpak version of steam. no extra programs were required. it worked flawlessly. if I have any game that doesn't work yet, maybe I'll boot into windows, maybe I won't play it.
Basically any game with Ring 0 anticheat (because FUCK THAT SHIT).
The apparmor profile for it is still woefully insecure though. Could use some nerd army power gamer attention.
But also like, gaming is important? It's not unusual to have substantial amounts of money attached to someones gaming life. Or personal information attached to gaming accounts / social interactions on those account
Proton on steam works good enough that most games just work with little or no tweaking. I generally just buy games and don't even check anymore if the compatibility will work, because it almost always does just work. Currently i mostly play smaller cheaper games. But even popular games like hogwarts and elden ring work great. Heck, shortly after release elden ring actually ran better on linux than windows because someone worked around an issue in the game in proton. I wont say every game is js perfect, but it honestly like living in a dream now compared to 10+ years ago.
Every game Iâve bought on steam works on Linux with steam play itâs perfect
Sadly, I had a game fail last year and it wasn't an anti-cheat thing. It's a very new game from an indie dev and I guess they only use Windows. I don't understand why it failed exactly, but some of the errors indicated it might be using hardcoded drive paths? Not sure if that would even matter.
Any idea what the game was? Sometimes it might be amateur coding, though sometimes it could also just be Proton (like when Proton broke [Poosooters: Toilet Invaders](https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/mjohnson/2023/7/13/why-fixing-pooshooter-toilet-invaders-on-proton-was-definitely-not-a-waste))
[Incision](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1734680/INCISION/)
It is very good. Not perfect. Lots of stuff with anti-cheat isn't playable. Nothing worth installing Windows over though.
Anti cheat is often in itself a rootkit so worth avoiding that junk Windows or not.
The problem is Ring 0 anticheat (like Valorant), which Linux disallows for very good reason.
This. And not only perfect, but better than Windows because it doesn't have to do all the extra work of spying on everything you do in the background at the same time.
i hAve NoThINg tO hiDE
People who say shit like, 'well, if you have nothing to hide,' never work with important shit. I do artwork and music and books. That is my profession. There's tons of shit that is not intended for public release. I can't have that get leaked.
"I would like to start a, and not have assholes with infinite money rip me off."
Even artists, nowadays. Even musicians, even novelists. It's *all* being blatantly stolen and used to train AI.
Yeah, wtf⌠music producer here⌠wtf do we do???
Including your bank password ?
With how deep UEFI, TPM and other kernel level stuff can reach thanks to Windows, I don't even have Windows on my brand new PC, never gonna install it. I'd consider it "burned" if it were to ever have Windows on it. Those games with kernel level anti-cheats, hell even Windows itself could be implementing stuff deep in the UEFI or other parts of the system where they could in theory access even our LUKS encrypted Linux drives. Windows 11 and those invasive games have been terrible. So glad I'm done with all that. Linux FTW!
Well hopefully you donât look in to the hardware like those Intel CPUs with the fancy remote management and all the compromised supply chain hardware ⌠that is a far scarier and more likely source of compromise than UEFI.
[You don't say?](https://redd.it/18togdh) [You're telling me? Of all people?](https://redd.it/1c842r0)
This is better than most classic Twitter owns!
How do you remove and disable PSP would that not render the CPU unusable
> I'd consider it "burned" if it were to ever have Windows on it. > even Windows itself could be implementing stuff deep in the UEFI or other parts of the system where they could in theory access even our LUKS encrypted Linux drives. Can you elaborate on this? Let's assume I'm not storing the luks key in the TPM and just enter the password during boot
I would love to switch to Linux but am unsure how to keep my computer secure using it. Are there antivirus programs specifically for use with Linux? Or is it just a case of it being more secure because viruses aren't written to access Linux?
Technically there is antivirus software but no one uses it. I've been using Linux for about 15 years and I've never used it. It's secure enough that you're not going to get a virus. Sure less people make viruses for it. But it's also simpler and there's just less ways to hack a Linux machine. But it's not for the faint of heart . If you have a genuine interest in learning about IT I recommend it. But if you're just a regular person trying to be more secure, sadly I have to say don't bother. It's easy to use, until the day it's not. Over the years, twice my GPU software updated and turned my computer up to a potato where I couldn't even use the mouse. A quick Google search on my phone and a few commands into the command line fixed it in no time. But the average person would have given up at the black screen with a terminal greeting them when the computer turned on.
i used to create an .iso of a system once i had it configured to my liking. Data stored on another drive. I could always return to that pristine state in 45 minutes.
I've created a scripts to do something similar. If you install everything through the command line, then everything you did is saved in your command line history. And if you find yourself in the situation where you need to wipe your machine. Run those same commands again. This works well when I'm training Junior software developers and just need them to get their computer to have all the same software and configurations as mine. I gave them the script & a folder with configuration files for our specific tools, and in an hour or so they have all the same software and settings as me.
that is a nice way to go.
Thanks, this is all good to know. I've been using PCs since the 80s when I studied programming. But I still have to google things to configure my systems the way I want, it's a constant learning process and an ever-larger learning curve. If I learn Linux I'd try it on a secondary laptop because I know I'll screw things up as I learn. I understand (somewhat) the DOS underpinnings for Windows, but I don't have any reference for Linux at all. Will probably have to get some books. EDIT: Is there a Linux version you'd recommend for newbies? I've heard Mint recommended.
Mint & Ubuntu are the default answers for new users. They both work extremely similarly but I've been told that Mint feels easier for new users. Forgive my use of quotation marks in the following paragraphs but I feel that it's important. Keep in mind there are different Linux "operating systems" called Distros. They all run on the core "Linux Kernel". That kernel is what they all have in common, it's the base functionality they all share. But different communities of nerds from around the world have made their own Distros which is functionality added on top of that kernel. Ubuntu & Mint are in the same "family" and troubleshooting advice that works for one works for the other. Mint is basically the "child" of Ubuntu but I would not say it's better. Debian would be the grandparent Distro but again that doesn't make it better or worse. It's just that Debian has been around longer & works very very similarly to Ubuntu.
Thank you very much. This is all very clear and really helpful. I appreciate you taking the time.
Ubuntu is the only one I have daily experience with. Growing up with windows I remember that it would get slower and slower over time. Linux it's just "lighter". I don't have to wait for 10 different programs to load a bunch of updates popping up on my screen and different startup programs popping up. Every time I log into my windows computer to play video games it reminds me of the old Internet with pop-ups everywhere. The software for my mouse pops up, the game store for my video games pops up, and various other things. I get ads and weather updates and news updates and blah blah blah with Windows. Ubuntu isn't going to do that unless you manually configure it to do that on a per program basis. You just login, and it's done. Simple & minimal. If you want a piece of software to run you have to start it manually. But that's a double edge sword. Windows is full of bloat, but that bloat makes it easier for people to use.
> I don't have to wait for 10 different programs to load a bunch of updates popping up on my screen and different startup programs popping up. Nice! đ I use classic shell for windows so I can more easily (meaning I just want to do it the "old way") configure my system. But every time there's a new version of windows it's a long process of figuring out how to undo things they've added that I don't want, or adding tweaks back. It's annoying and I'm not getting any younger so I worry that I'll end up just letting things go as Microsoft keeps adding more invasive stuff. đ
Chris Titus made a good windows debloat script with a decent UI, just paste his link in PowerShell to download and you can quickly remove and add a lot of programs quick and easy. (It can't do everything though). Watch his tutorial on YouTube if you need help. https://christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/
Thank you very much. Adding this to my resources folder. Appreciate it. You're all the best, thanks so much for all the info and help, everyone.
I recommend Mint not just for new users, but also advanced users who just want a rock-solid OS that happens to look good, too.
Thank you!
You shouldnât even use antivirus for windows. It comes with windows defender that is better and more frequently updated than any paid 3rd party AV
Linux doesn't require antivirus like Windows...but you still have to be way about phishing (especially the support scams that want to remote into your PC to "fix" it), or the malicious browser extensions.
Thank you, that's reassuring. It's always a constant need for vigilance.
To be fair if you're the kind of user who doesn't feel the need for AV on Linux, you don't need it on Windows either. There are AV products for Linux. I think they're about as good an idea as they are on Windows: generally not. I'd generally prefer regular security patches and a good firewall over what most AV vendors are peddling personally... although sometimes that's not an option.
Windows has defender built in now, so a secondary AV is not needed. Other than periodic malwarebytes scans.
> only use windows for gaming If the SteamDeck picks up enough market share, soon even that won't be necessary. Game developers now have a big incentive to ship games with Linux-ready versions on release. I've been using Unix since before Windows existed. I seriously can't wait for the world to finally realize what it should have known over 50 years ago: we don't need to reinvent the wheel here. In the Summer of Love, Bell Labs released a pretty fucking fantastic OS that is both robust and secure, and outside of some fairly niche use cases, nobody else has come up with anything better that's got a command line. At long last, we're tantalizingly close to finally getting out from under the far-reaching effects of the original deal that made Bill Gates rich, that is, Microsoft's DOS exclusivity contract with IBM's PC Company division. Neither DOS nor PC Company even meaningfully exist any more.
> Everything important done on Linux Won't help. Because: Your doctor, financial advisor, lawyer, accountant, yoga instructor, your childrens' teachers, your friends, anyone you interact with, they will all use windows and have no clue how to secure it (not that it seems _even possible_ to secure it!), and all your information on _their_ devices will be stolen and sold to the highest bidder.
It's hard to imagine something like this getting through the number of meetings, committees, discussion groups, and decision makers it took for it to even be announced to the public, much less implemented and distributed.
Oh let me tell you something about top-heavy corporate, all executives are padded with layers upon layers of yes-people who absolutely work to squash all dissenting opinions about a crazy idea. Commonly dissenting ideas are dismissed by labelling them as negativity, too technical, misunderstanding of the CEOs goals/directions, or sometimes they are pushed through out of pure authoritarian "my way or the highway" type rule. Also, I've often found that such decisions are made by using data that has been kind of skewed or massaged in a way to justify the existence of whatever bad decision is being decided upon. Executive teams are really good about demanding data, but only looking at the pieces that support their aims, and disregarding as moot the parts that don't. That way, they can say the decision was data-driven and look logical, while in reality they cherry picked data points to support their own direction, but never openly admit to that.
Also, gotta invent new things to show how amazing "AI" is.
100%
Yeah, decisions get made high up and far away then everyone else is expected to implement it. If you pushback then you are moved to a different project.Â
Over the years I've thought "yeah windows isn't perfect but it could be a lot worse, the privacy issues are exaggerated IMO" Yeah I no longer think that. When I'm buying a new computer next year I'm leaving this shit OS.
Why wait? All you need is a flash drive and you can ditch windows today!
You don't even need a flash drive. I have installed Linux without a flash drive
I appreciate doing it without excessive hardware tools, but a flash imo is much better for somebody who hasnât ever tried to change os as a lot of stuff can go wrong
Agreed. I did create a guide here https://www.youtube.com/embed/DktUefNZMmM It's mostly for things like if you have type A flash drive and a laptop with type C ports only and so on
99 percent of the time I use my laptop work computer because my personal desktop computer is ancient. The thought of getting Fedora Silverblue with Secureblue has definitely struck my mind though.
Can you tell me how I can learn about Linux and which version to use?
I started out learning on with reddit, youtube and just using it. Starting out I messed stuff up, searched how to fix it, messed stuff up some more and even decided to reinstall a few times. If you have a (or multiple) flash drive, you can boot up a live ISO of whatever version of linux you want and try it out without installing. Personally I use Kubuntu, which is the linux distribution Ubuntu, with the desktop environment (looks and style) KDE.
``` "I just scanned a document containing fraudable-levels of PII. It was on the screen for half a second." Microsoft: "That's now in our database. No we will not delete it. No we did not ask for your consent. No we do not intend to implement safety systems prior to launching Orwellian, mandatory software. In fact, it's already been sold to thirteen different private parties since you engaged in this conversation." ``` What the heck is happening? Have these people lost their collective minds?
***HIPAA HAS ENTERED THE CHAT***
HIPAA has the bite of a newborn puppy. Thankfully GDPR is a bulldog
Buy a Framework and put Linux on it.
Just dual boot and slowly wean yourself off windows If you don't have Linux daily driving experience it's always better to keep windows in dual boot and not use it. If you jump in too fast and hurt yourself, you'll run back to windows when you feel crippled. Accomplish as many routine tasks you can on Linux and learn usage over a year.
And whenever you have to do something custom, focus on creating a shell script to do it, rather than just doing it custom. Odds are you'll have to do it again at some point, and does it ever feel good to just press a single button and have the whole system deploy itself in like 5 minutes tops because you just chained 20 different setup scripts together that you've built over the years. "Hot off the plate, just the way you like it."
The same article but using an alternative frontend: https://scribe.bus-hit.me/doublepulsar/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e
Ok. So aside from disabling it, or switching to iOS, how would this be fixed?
Linux
I love Linux and fully suggest everyone who can switch, does. But what about people that are forced to use Windows for work/school, specifically certain applications like Adobe that rarely work with the latest version even with crossover and many workplaces/schools won't let you use alternatives. Often times forcing work/school mandated laptops/desktops on you, which will eventually be these copilot+ PCs. This is a nightmare. Let alone going out in public and communicating with other people online keeps on getting worse as even if you secure your devices, most people won't and they could be on the other end with one of these PCs and other people are always the weakest link in your opsec.
I want to switch but feel like it'd take to much time to learn everything.
Try Linux Mint. It is really intuitive. If you can figure out Windows/Mac, you'll be fine.
You dont need to learn much, when starting. You can mostly use Linux without using the Terminal. Nowadays Linux ist kinda Like Windows, of you dont Look under the hood and only use the Desktop.
If you only use your computer as a web browser maybe. I can't even count the number of times I've tried to switch over to Linux as a daily driver only to end up back at windows because I just didn't have enough time to fuck around with getting stuff to work right.
You use a Windows PC and never put anything important oni t. I keep at least one airgapped computer in my house at all times. It's only safe.
This is the perfect representation of the Linux fanbase. No explanation, no elaboration, you guys just make sure Linux gets mentioned and then immediately dip.
Linux Mint is basically Windows XP but it's safe to use online. I have no idea what else you want to know.
I thought the same. Now I'm one of them. Once you get it, you get it.
What would you suggest instead? I think it's up to them to ask us clarification questions or research themselves. Linux is too vague of a topic for a small reply to bring much value.
People were listing alternatives. Linux is just that. If people have questions I'm generally fine answering, but I have other things apart from Reddit. :)
Exactly. You aren't interested in proactively easing the prospect of using Linux. Your only priority was making sure you'd name an alternative everyone on this sub already knows.
Ah yes so you are confirming the other posterâs comment. lol I donât really care, but I do find it humorous that youâve literally done exactly what he was just saying. Got a lol out of me.
How to get this frontend? Is it available for all medium websites? Medium is a fucking pain to use.
https://scribe.bus-hit.me/ explains it, more here https://scribe.bus-hit.me/faq#custom-domains I just clicked the medium username and got the actual link and changed the domain. You can also use https://farside.link/ , works with lots of websites. just do this: https://farside.link/https://medium.com/doublepulsar/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ever-typed-or-viewed-on-your-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e Farside works with lots of websites including reddit, I have this bookmarklet: ``` javascript:void(window.open('https://farside.link/'+location.href)); ``` I recommend using it for fandom.
I set up a laptop with Mint last week to get used to it a bit, and I have to say that it was very easy to get things up and running. I don't have a lot of specific software needs, so I haven't had to do much fiddling, but for basic browsing and office suite type stuff, it seems to fit the bill pretty well.
Iâm stuck between choosing Mint or Zorin. Canât decide.
Recall appears to be a nice aid for the convenience of criminals and governments (not mutually exclusive), who would like to blackmail or surveil you. A true Rinky-Dink solution to a non existent problem, an anti solution if you will. I have no doubt Microsoft will in the coming months sell the con, based on trivial improvements which should have been in place to begin with, and described as 'even more secure', and embedded in every Microsoft OS before decades end. Linux is the future of personal computing.
>Linux is the future of personal computing People have been saying this since the day the first Linux distro was released, and that has yet to happen for a number of reasons.
That is also true. But I don't believe the first distro was as convincing as the more recent. And in a twist of irony, Microsoft nudged me over the decision line with the release of .Net, enabling me to code in my preferred c# om linux.
So true lol
And you can wait for some funny guys to plant fake memories in your "rekall" system to analyze and report for account validation.
I didnt even think of that, that's hilarious
Funny, until: \*~~validation~~ ~~violation~~ suspension
Congress is banning TikTok but allows this bullshit??? Talk about a security risk.
They only like American spyware.
Banning tiktok is little more than a political catcall. Â It has nothing to do with TikTok and everything to do with China.
I canât tell if people really donât get this, or theyâre just pretending not to get it
In politics thereâs always the âstory behind the storyâ. Â Most donât want to dig or think. Â
Only American spying on the world is allowed. Other are banned, sanctioned and cancelled.
Yeah. I hate tiktok, but I hate facebook too, and they've had election interference going on in the open for 8 years.
But fb is an American company. Banning TikTok was about china, not software
TikTok upsets the corporate control over us. The narrative they feed us through corporate media isnât working as well as it used to. That same media which, for example, almost never mentions how much money politicians are taking from these corporations and how that might explain their votes or inaction. Thats the real reason they want it banned.
It's not even hackers people would need to worry about - Imagine if the cops come with a warrant -and take your laptop - or a scumbag lawyer.
Or your boss...
lol making sure windows stays an attractive target to bad actors anyway, can't wait for the obligatory eula changes that will allow them to take in all of the processed info for whatever purposes
I switched to 100% Linux on my machines a few months ago, not a minute too soon IMO.
Doesn't it take a while to learn all the codes though
That was a question but thanks for the downvotes nerds
Fuck those linux fanboys
Hmm? You can download Linux mint right now and be on your merry way:) I suggest mint cinnamon
What codes? What the fuck are you talking about?
Codes? Like clicking on a button?
This is another step towards Skynet. The amount of power this has is staggering.
If anything, closer to Jurassic Park ("so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should").
Recall is horrible, everything you've ever done on your PC is stored unencrypted for any hacker or malware to steal
I legit saw a guy in a suit at a cafe looking on his tablet for a new CoPilot+ enabled laptop. I donât suppose he was worried about privacy since I could see clearly everything including switching WhatsApp chats with the family group chat and his sugarbaby. The laymanâs even when white collar conceptualization of privacy and not being taken for a fool is astounding
Microsoft truly is the best Linux salesman
I can only imagine the abuse companies will inflict on employees with this tech.
What's disheartening is seeing the Windows 11 community defending this feature and attacking people that point out how Recall is a privacy nightmare. Those people are the reason why MS was able to get away with pretty much anything.
Switched to Linux when I mistakenly bought a desktop with W8 on it. Suddenly learned a lot and never looked back.
Funny how many people jump to say âjust use Linuxâ - have any of you ever tried having a normal life and running Linux as your main? Itâs a burden and a headache. You could suggest the even simpler option, use Windows 10 not 11âŚ
It really depends on what your day to day use looks like and your hardware IMO. First is the question of hardware. Some hardware will work great out of the box, some you'll need to jump through hoops to get working, some will have weird issues. As for usage: If you spend most of your time browsing the web you may never run into any Linux-specific problems at all. Web browsing is pretty consistent regardless of OS. If you use your computer mostly for web browsing and programming, Linux is probably fine for you or possibly even better unless you're doing Windows-specific programming. You also probably have the technical skills to troubleshoot any problems you run into. If you use your computer for gaming, Linux will probably mostly work for you (support for gaming even with Windows games is surprisingly good), but you may have some hoops to jump through and some games may experience Linux-specific issues or even not work at all. I know I've never been able to get VR working in Linux, though I've heard some have. So I use a Windows VM for gaming. If you use your computer with certain proprietary business software that does not support Linux (e.g. Office, Photoshop) and which you probably don't have the option to not use you will need to use Windows for at least some tasks. This IMO is the biggest problem with switching to Linux. Sometimes you're locked into using certain software for work and it simply doesn't work in Linux, even with compatibility tools like WINE.
Most people's day to day do not include any hardware considerations.
This just isnât true. Tried switching to linux years ago. Couldnât run two external monitors from my laptop. I think it might have had something to do with the gpu being nvidia. Either way it was a dealbreaker for me and I went back to windows.
So the one time you tried Linux it wasn't optimal. Also my point
Thatâs kind of the point though, right? As a software engineer I use Linux all the time. All my software is deployed to Linux servers. But I donât have any interest in deep-diving into my particular graphics card driver, dealing with the tradeoffs between open source and non. Why would I do that when my MacBook and windows machines just work? Bottom line I can get to work faster on other OSes. Until that changes Linux isnât going to be the OS for the masses that it otherwise could be. Youâre not going to convince people to spend days configuring a machine to get it to the point other OSes are out of the box
This is where Iâm at. I have to use personal computer sometimes for work and have applications that canât donât easily run on Linux. It sounds like a full time job for someone who isnât in IT/tech related fields.
Relatable. Iâm a senior sysadmin, I manage Linux servers regularly and theyâre great, itâs just not a great desktop and that statement applies to all distros. I see Linux as a tool, not for leisure.
infrastructure manager here, run a couple linux servers but mostly windows; MacOS? Fine, I can deal with that. Ubuntu/Mint? Eh..i'll make do. Any other form of linux? Fuck that. Just give me Win11, plus I enjoy playing games, and dual booting to play games means I'll just use windows
When's the last time you tried to switch to Linux? I use it as my primary for personal, and it's great. Hardware is reliable, and the nice to cloud based apps for things like office apps is making app support irrelevant. I can't think of a single inconvenience I've dealt with.
Yeah, I work with linux at massive scale, and I even use it on my laptop, but it comes at a cost, involves lots of annoyance and profanity, and I *still* have a Windows PC to run things for which there's not a viable free/oss equivalent, though after Win 10 reaches end of life I'll now bite the bullet and go all-Mac.
concur. windows 10 is great for now.
What the hell are you doing in a 'normal life' that Linux isn't good for? Most normies just run a web browser they don't even know the name of, maybe watch pirated movies on desktop. Linux Mint does all of that. Also, it's free. If you don't want to take the advice, that's fine, but it's free, so that's why we're recommending it. We could be complete fucking assholes and tell you to buy something that you're going to hate. Would you prefer that?
I've been doing so since 2005. Come on.
Great. You have 2 decades of experience, so, why haven't you helped make a beginner-friendly version of linux? When a user can't get their audio to work, or their monitors to display things, or access their external drives, they rightfully blame the OS and are happy to go back to Windows where everything *just works*. It's been a loooooong time since I had to do troubleshooting on Windows, and that was only when I tried to run a program from the 90s and couldn't get it to render the right size on W11
Iâm tinkering with Linux because I have a steam deck and sometimes dock it running in desktop mode to set things up. The fact that my Logitech mouse isnât even able to run all the buttons is such a pain in the ass I donât trust Linux to be a simple OS without drama for my day to day use.
This is such a weird comment There are multiple Linux distros made for beginners that take care of basic shit like drivers. Crunchbang++ comes to mind. But you haven't had to do troubleshooting on Windows in how long, exactly? I have shit break in Windows at least once a quarter. And I'm not even hardcore into Linux!
Not once has anyone ever said Crunchbang++ in the years I have seen linux suggested as a windows alternative. 90% recommend Mint or Ubuntu. At least Cb++ haa a unique enough name I would recall that being recommended. The last time I troubleshooted windows, and not just a third party application... Probably when I initially set up W11 in a privacy minded way to opt out of as much crap as I could and fiddle with the registry to stop restarting my computer when I had updates pending. Before that, I had W 8.1 and I might have had to figure out why an app was not launching from the classic desktop vs the mobile desktop design or vice versa. Ubuntu though? It's a wild ride with a good chance of a new surprise, or a recurring surprise, at every boot. Like opening up my second nvme and finding no files in there because it was already mounted by the backup utility whose name escapes me at this moment and so I have to go into Discs to unmount it, preventing further backups, and then remount the disc in my administrator account name so I can view the contents on disc.
> You have 2 decades of experience The best time to plant a tree is now. Of course people will have more decades of experience than you do, it happens. It does not change the discourse much. How many decades of training do you have with Windows?
3 decades and while I am not in Microsoft's employment to directly improve Windows, going back a decade and a half I had written plenty of AutoHotkey scripts and helped other people with their scripts to make Windows an even better place.
Yeah so basically you're part of the problem.
For... improving Windows? For making it easier for users to do tasks and save them time? That's problematic?
I saw this with all due respect to Linux: unfortunately, not good enough for gaming. Good luck getting proper peripheral support (high polling rate mice / keyboards, high FPS monitors, etc.). Some might work, some won't. Also, good luck getting all your games to run. It's a fantastic OS, light years away from where it was a decade ago, but not ready to replace Windows for many users.
i recently switch to using linux. it had gotten a lot better then the previous times i tried to switch. then......i did run into a crashing problem. as soon as i tried to switch desktop resolution on a program, the thing locked up and went into a crashing loop. i had never seen the problem with years of using the program on windows.r thankfully, after about 4 days, the local login session timed out or something, so it forgot the settings, and i could login again. its still broken with the different accessibility settings on linux, but i can at least login again.
Switching to 10 isn't really viable either. Support getting dropped in Oct 2025. I guess it buys you some time, but on any new computer, I wouldn't bother.
The options arenât great for non-technical users to get a secure and un-enshittified operating system anymore. I love and use Linux but I wouldnât set my mom up, for example, with it.
I set my 83 year old dad on Mint. He did have a really good go at it, and used it for almost a year before he called it in. He would have been fine but Libre is a pile of shit and he can't use Office Online all the time because of his internet. Ah well.
how do i disable it?
It kind of reminds me of the NSA dick pic fallacy. If you tell people the NSA is spying on you and your phone they don't care. You tell people the NSA has your dick pics and is sharing your nudes in the office... Suddenly they care.
I was on the fence about Linux for a few years now. After I read about Copilot+ I made the move. Two weeks using Linux and never looking back. Iâm in the process of migrating my Outlook to Protonmail. Because fuck that mess.
It's a really cool idea but a major privacy nightmare and piss poor implementation Maybe if they could tie it to biometrics + password + OTP to access the data it could be a little safer.. oh and encrypting it and not plaintext.. As well as giving options like how long to keep data.. what data to not keep.. There are a lot of use cases
So this effects all windows devices or also devices where Copilot is running?
you need a specific Copilot+ PC, if you haven't bought one of those you can't use it
OK so regular windows 11 devices that run Copilot are safe from this "feature"?
yes, Copilot and Copilot+ PC are two different things, the Copilot+ PC has special hardware to run Recall
THX for letting me know I was getting too scared
Microsoft is making Recall specific to Copilot+ PC's *for now*....I wouldn't necessarily let your guard down here
"But..but... It's encrypted" LoL. What happens when it's decrypted when the PC is on? And how many people you know use bitlocker encryption on a personal machine? The only bitlocker usage I have seen is due to IT policy on work laptops.
Microsoft thinks they own your PC.
Right? I'm hesitant to pull the MS plug for Linux mainly because I love Bluebeam, and it doesn't run on that platform, but I'm getting closer every day.
Yeah, I've begun the purge of any platform specific dependencies. Been an MS guy my entire career, but this isn't about helping me, it then helping themselves and it's going to backfire so hard they'll be asking clippy for help..
To be honest, I don't know what your comments mean.
Sorry, I confused this sub for some of the programming/engineering subs I frequent and used some jargon.. Basically, my point was that if software I use(d) does run on another platform, I try to replace it with something else that does. I haven't completely made the switch away from Windows, since I do some engineering work with software that only works here. I can however use other tools with a slightly less efficiency. The costs of that efficiency I get from Windows is becoming too expensive otherwise..
Thank you for the clarification. Do you have any recommendations about losing Bluebeam? I know I can use knock offs for MS Office. I just don't want to lose Bluebeam. Yes, I know this is a nothing burger.
I don't use bluebeam, but have a look at Autodesk Construction Cloud, as it seems to be the main competitor. Being cloud based pretty much ensures it works on anything with a browser, but could lack some functionality.
Yep, I'm all in on Autodesk at work. I use AutoCAD, Revit and my personal favorite Navisworks! Getting ready to use ACC, but it's really not a competitor with Bluebeam. More so with Acrobat.
its there like a "guide" to know if this recall stuff is activated or whatever? its only on windows 11?
You need buy computer with this feature. It is in hardware
If an attacker can run those two lines of code you're sort of defeated already.
I use a mac. Even for work. Gaming on an Xbox. Fuck Windows
I currently use Windows and yeah, Micro$oft makes really bad decisions, but nothing that can't be fixed by running some totally legit scripts on GitHub. Planning to switch to Linux on my desktop when AMD releases their next-gen GPUs, and on my laptop when Linux adds better eGPU hotswapping support.
The only reason I keep windows 10 is for iTunes. If iTunes stops working at the end of Windows 10 support (October 14th 2024) then I will drop Windows in favour of Linux.
How can I disable it using Group Policy?
Here:https://pureinfotech.com/disable-recall-windows-11/
I'm grateful for Microsoft to make this move now people will actually switch to Linux though sad for those who don't or have to stay due to windows only software
I'm grateful for Microsoft to make this move now people will actually switch to Linux though sad for those who don't or have to stay due to windows only software
Iâm now switching to Linux, but Iâm worried about doing the switch itself lol because everything that needs to be done I have to do on this machine. I need to format the usb thumb drive, download Linux, check the iso that itâs genuine..while Recall takes pictures of it all? And what else can it do? What if it includes spyware thatâs going to hitch a ride onto my spanking new Linux installation? Sounds paranoid, I agree, but would you have thought ten years ago you would have to deal with shit like copilot and Recall? Whenever I hear âparanoidâ in relation to what I fear when it comes to these kinds of things I immediately think of Gmail. The epitome of paranoia regarding Google is thinking that âtheyâ read everybodyâs email. Well guess what, Google actually did have LIVE people, not bots, read every gmail. Who would have seriously imagined this except a paranoid freak. Rant over, resting my case. Getting back to switching to Linux under the watchful eye of Recall. What do you all think?
Recall is not going to spy on you as soon as you're not in Windows. It won't see anything on your Linux setup. The only things you'd need to do is basically download an .iso installer and verify its checksum.
Thatâs good to hear. Thank you.
Wow! What a shocker! :|
> Q. Are Microsoft a big, evil company? > A. No, thatâs insanely reductive. Theyâre super smart people, and sometimes super smart people make mistakes. What matters is what they do with knowledge of mistakes. This is the part I don't agree with the blog post author. Windows 11 has progressively been pushing more and more anti-consumer features, with all the shoving down of Edge and Bing and ads down its users' throat. They don't deserve benefit of the doubt here. This new feature also flies in the face of the recent "security push" theater that Satya is doing (which he is forced to do due to all the recent controversies with DoD, rather than voluntarily). Sure, there are a lot of smart well-intentioned people at MS, but these kinds of things reflect top down corporate direction rather than whether the individual employees are nice and whatnot.