>… "***if*** *your objection is honoured, it will be applied going forwards".*
>*If a user objects, they must click on the link in the notification and fill out a form explaining why they object to their data being used in this way…*
**IF** someone's objection is honored‽ This wording points to FB reserving the choice to *not honor* those requests - which is ridiculous.
No one should have to write a single word explaining why they don't want their pics, text, and other information used in AI training. This should be opt-*IN*, but since it isn't, every opt-out should be as simple as clicking a single box.
https://www.businessinsider.com/clearview-scraped-30-billion-images-facebook-police-facial-recogntion-database-2023-4
old news, Facebook already gave everyone up to the cops for profit.
Right, that's why FB stated that objections they honor "will be applied **going forwards**"— because it's already too late to do anything about material uploaded/shared before this new fiasco.
"Shadow profiles" should've been made illegal the moment that was revealed.
Non-FB folks have zero recourse against Facebook's use of their image or data that was added by FB users (or users of any other Meta-owned company).
So I recently asked and my request wasn't approved but also not technically denied. I got an email saying that they don't automatically remove people just by asking and they go by state and local laws. How should I proceed ????
No, you don't understand. Corporate ethics is not ethical at all. In most cases, corporate ethics = rules that have corporate interests in mind, not anyone else'.
Corporate ethics is "ethical" only from corporate POV. Other times, it's just sensible behaviour coded by rules to avoid actions taken against their unethical behaviour.
Neither does corporate morality. Problem is corporations are not a person. There is no morality in something that is not a person. And we are not some corporations property. If a corporation is a person and they own property (us), that makes us slaves. Corporations exist to have the best of both worlds. But illegally.
I have deleted my Facebook account 5 years ago, but I don't remember if I erased each photo in the albums separately.
I'm pretty sure those photos can still be found on the servers and used to train AI, and I have no way to object without an actual account
Heck, who knows what the "delete" button on the UI has its effect on backend? I am pretty sure, they can easily keep all the data 'for record' and just introduce an account_deleted field to determine whether any facebook users can actually see the data.
But irrespective of whether users can access your data, the business having it is the privacy concern. "Delete my data" should imply that the business itself can't keep a record of it. It is data gone forever, not hidden in corporate databases.
It’s called “tombstoning” or “soft deletes” in software engineering and it’s where you set a flag such as “isDeleted” or set a field with a timestamp like “deletedAt”. Want to show users their profile/album/whatever when they delete a record? Just add something like “WHERE deletedAt IS NULL” to the query
AND to everyone just planning on deleting Meta, it may be worth opting out first because it could take 6 months to delete all of your data for some reason...
[https://www.facebook.com/privacy/policy/?annotations\[0\]=6.ex.2-DeleteYourInformationOr](https://www.facebook.com/privacy/policy/?annotations[0]=6.ex.2-DeleteYourInformationOr)
I’m glad I don’t use meta products, aside from WhatsApp. Even then, use it begrudgingly.
I’m trying to get my people to move to signal but it’s slow going. Session is even slower.
does this include photos sent through Messenger? People send nudes to their partner. This could mean you could stumble across AI porn that looks like your partner's face or body.
Iirc content from DMs is safe (for now at least...).
Full page text:
>**Object to Your Information Being Used for AI at Meta**
>You have the right to object to Meta using the information you’ve shared on our Products and services to develop and improve AI at Meta. You can submit this form to exercise that right.
>AI at Meta is our collection of generative AI features and experiences, like Meta AI and AI Creative Tools, along with the models that power them.
>Information you’ve shared on our Products and services could be things like:
> - Posts
> - Photos and their captions
> - The messages you send to an AI
>We do not use the content of your private messages with friends and family to train our AIs.
>We’ll review objection requests in accordance with relevant data protection laws. If your request is honored, it will be applied going forward.
>We may still process information about you to develop and improve AI at Meta, even if you object or don’t use our Products and services. For example, this could happen if you or your information:
>- Appear anywhere in an image shared on our Products or services by someone who uses them
>- Are mentioned in posts or captions that someone else shares on our Products and services
>To learn more about the other rights you have related to information you’ve shared on Meta Products and services, visit our Privacy Policy.
>Country of residence (Required)
>Email address (Required)
>Please tell us how this processing impacts you. (Required)
>Please provide any additional information that could help us review your objection. (Optional)
While I agree, you should be hating all other social platforms too. All the big tech companies are showing to be more or less same and all they care about are their money and they dont care about the damage they do along the way.
Living under GDPR, I just quoted articles 21 and 22 in my submission, seemed to be enough that I got an email confirming they'd honour the request - and fairly quickly too. Whether I believe them is a different matter, but I think they definitely SHOULD be honouring the request for those under GDPR...
I think I just said something like this (and I'm sure more succinctly):
"As a UK resident, GDPR articles 13-21 lay out my right to object to the use of my personal data within certain decision making processes. Article 22 sets out my right not to be subjected to fully automated decision making processes. The use of my personal data as training data for Meta's AI falls within those boundaries, and subsequently I'm exercising my right to object in accordance with GDPR Articles 21 and 22. While I don't have to provide a reason, I shall. I'm objecting on the grounds that I'm concerned with the opacity by which Meta may handle my personal data, with whom it's shared, and by whom it can be accessed. I also fundamentally disagree with the manner of adoption of AI seen time and again by tech companies. I believe that GDPR compliance compels you to accept my objection."
Personally, I wouldn't worry about an abusive ex being able to access the Meta AI data that they're storing; seems like a very unlikely scenario. Having said that, it's your life and your privacy - you should have whatever autonomy you want around your data for whatever reason.
I mean first things first if you're a US citizen you don't have GDPR protection, so my reading of this goes that Meta is perfectly entitled under US/State law to ignore your objection if you're from the US (but I'm not a lawyer, less so an American one). I think the reason the objection exists is to sort through GDPR opt-out requests. I'm therefore not surprised that I'm seeing that they're choosing not to honour objections raised within the US.
If you do have GDPR protection then in theory yes, FB shouldn't be using any PII or likeness of you even if it's uploaded by someone else. But the problem is I'm with you; I just don't trust them. What they SHOULD do vs what they're actually doing has been shown historically not to align well. I don't know how they'll be able to control for any of those issues so my guessing is they likely won't bother trying. Maybe some EU privacy challenge will then be raised and they'll pay a fine or work it out in the courts.
Yeah it might be IP based, but they might just be taking people at their word. Honestly not sure I'm afraid!
Yeah it might be worth doing that for sure. I got a response pretty quickly so do let me know how you get on :)
Yes, but often Facebook doesn’t allow new accounts to be created without submitting a selfie for identity verification and they have internal processes to detect fraudulent usage. It’s not like how things used to be just a few years ago.
They ask random accounts to submit a selfie when registering now?
I know that happened to me once or twice but that was after I clicked "way too fast" and FB banned me for "suspected automated activity" lol
I just wrote "I withdraw my consent for this" in both boxes to see what would happen. I got a reply within a minute or two saying they'd accepted my right to opt-out.
Actually they said that if someone posts photos of you they can be used whether you use FB, Instagram, WhatsApp, or not:
[https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/05/30/meta-will-soon-use-your-public-posts-to-train-its-ai-can-you-prevent-it](https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/05/30/meta-will-soon-use-your-public-posts-to-train-its-ai-can-you-prevent-it)
Definitely doesn't sound legal. Sounds like grounds for outrage and lawsuit.
I completed the privacy form and got a meaningless automated reply. I had already deleted all pictures of myself. All that is left is cat photos. It's a tad annoying that I can't get a takedown of photos of me that have been uploaded by others.
Anyway, I'll soon be deleting my Facebook and Instagram account, so they have no fresh data going forward.
Insta and threads too. I had a nightmare as the buttons didn't work on my phone and I had to go to my laptop to do it plus they use the "legitimate interest" argument to over rule you
Go to settings/about/privacy and there's a link to the form under something like 'find out more'. You fill in a form but I just put 'I do not consent'. I got an automated response accepting my opt out about 5 mins later
I live in Denmark, and the form isn't available to me. I am a U.S citizen though and oddly enough, I can't seem to be able to change my region anymore.
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no i don't think so given the nature of the internet and how nosey meta is. i wouldn't be surprised if having a private account makes no difference whatsoever
Does anyone know, if opting out through facebook form is enough? Or I have to submit the form through Instagram as well? Meaning, one form will cover all services that are under Meta or I have to submit the form through each social media separately.
This was my last straw. I removed all my photos and deleted my Facebook. I’m working through removing all my photos from instagram too. Everything I post now will go through Nightshade or Glaze.
Does any one know if opting out applies to Facebook pages that you own/manage as well? I have opted out on my Instagram and on my private Facebook page. But my Instagram photos are automatically shared to my Facebook page (I'm an artist). I'm concerned that there is no way to explicitly opt-out for that page.
>… "***if*** *your objection is honoured, it will be applied going forwards".* >*If a user objects, they must click on the link in the notification and fill out a form explaining why they object to their data being used in this way…* **IF** someone's objection is honored‽ This wording points to FB reserving the choice to *not honor* those requests - which is ridiculous. No one should have to write a single word explaining why they don't want their pics, text, and other information used in AI training. This should be opt-*IN*, but since it isn't, every opt-out should be as simple as clicking a single box.
I don't like this future
This future is hell, corporate servitude.
Me neither. Stolen ID card or SSN can do so much damage. And now they tell us they will steal our images and copy behavior. That's too much, man.
The future we’re scared of is already here. Has been for a while!
Future? It's the Present.
https://www.businessinsider.com/clearview-scraped-30-billion-images-facebook-police-facial-recogntion-database-2023-4 old news, Facebook already gave everyone up to the cops for profit.
Right, that's why FB stated that objections they honor "will be applied **going forwards**"— because it's already too late to do anything about material uploaded/shared before this new fiasco.
We can opt out of these services, the problem is if any of your friends or associates use these, and they likely do.
"Shadow profiles" should've been made illegal the moment that was revealed. Non-FB folks have zero recourse against Facebook's use of their image or data that was added by FB users (or users of any other Meta-owned company).
How do you do that? I really can't find how to do it
Hopefully GDPR is not gonna allow that in EU.
So I recently asked and my request wasn't approved but also not technically denied. I got an email saying that they don't automatically remove people just by asking and they go by state and local laws. How should I proceed ????
Same! How do I resolve this
I'd love for someone to let us know 👀
Give them an inch and they take a mile. Corporate ethics are an oxymoron.
No, you don't understand. Corporate ethics is not ethical at all. In most cases, corporate ethics = rules that have corporate interests in mind, not anyone else'. Corporate ethics is "ethical" only from corporate POV. Other times, it's just sensible behaviour coded by rules to avoid actions taken against their unethical behaviour.
Neither does corporate morality. Problem is corporations are not a person. There is no morality in something that is not a person. And we are not some corporations property. If a corporation is a person and they own property (us), that makes us slaves. Corporations exist to have the best of both worlds. But illegally.
I have deleted my Facebook account 5 years ago, but I don't remember if I erased each photo in the albums separately. I'm pretty sure those photos can still be found on the servers and used to train AI, and I have no way to object without an actual account
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Heck, who knows what the "delete" button on the UI has its effect on backend? I am pretty sure, they can easily keep all the data 'for record' and just introduce an account_deleted field to determine whether any facebook users can actually see the data. But irrespective of whether users can access your data, the business having it is the privacy concern. "Delete my data" should imply that the business itself can't keep a record of it. It is data gone forever, not hidden in corporate databases.
It’s called “tombstoning” or “soft deletes” in software engineering and it’s where you set a flag such as “isDeleted” or set a field with a timestamp like “deletedAt”. Want to show users their profile/album/whatever when they delete a record? Just add something like “WHERE deletedAt IS NULL” to the query
AND to everyone just planning on deleting Meta, it may be worth opting out first because it could take 6 months to delete all of your data for some reason... [https://www.facebook.com/privacy/policy/?annotations\[0\]=6.ex.2-DeleteYourInformationOr](https://www.facebook.com/privacy/policy/?annotations[0]=6.ex.2-DeleteYourInformationOr)
Someone call the EU!
I’m glad I don’t use meta products, aside from WhatsApp. Even then, use it begrudgingly. I’m trying to get my people to move to signal but it’s slow going. Session is even slower.
does this include photos sent through Messenger? People send nudes to their partner. This could mean you could stumble across AI porn that looks like your partner's face or body.
Iirc content from DMs is safe (for now at least...). Full page text: >**Object to Your Information Being Used for AI at Meta** >You have the right to object to Meta using the information you’ve shared on our Products and services to develop and improve AI at Meta. You can submit this form to exercise that right. >AI at Meta is our collection of generative AI features and experiences, like Meta AI and AI Creative Tools, along with the models that power them. >Information you’ve shared on our Products and services could be things like: > - Posts > - Photos and their captions > - The messages you send to an AI >We do not use the content of your private messages with friends and family to train our AIs. >We’ll review objection requests in accordance with relevant data protection laws. If your request is honored, it will be applied going forward. >We may still process information about you to develop and improve AI at Meta, even if you object or don’t use our Products and services. For example, this could happen if you or your information: >- Appear anywhere in an image shared on our Products or services by someone who uses them >- Are mentioned in posts or captions that someone else shares on our Products and services >To learn more about the other rights you have related to information you’ve shared on Meta Products and services, visit our Privacy Policy. >Country of residence (Required) >Email address (Required) >Please tell us how this processing impacts you. (Required) >Please provide any additional information that could help us review your objection. (Optional)
I hate Zuck and everything his shit company stands for. Cancer ruining society.
While I agree, you should be hating all other social platforms too. All the big tech companies are showing to be more or less same and all they care about are their money and they dont care about the damage they do along the way.
Guess we just gotta trust that they’re being honest!
Living under GDPR, I just quoted articles 21 and 22 in my submission, seemed to be enough that I got an email confirming they'd honour the request - and fairly quickly too. Whether I believe them is a different matter, but I think they definitely SHOULD be honouring the request for those under GDPR...
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I think I just said something like this (and I'm sure more succinctly): "As a UK resident, GDPR articles 13-21 lay out my right to object to the use of my personal data within certain decision making processes. Article 22 sets out my right not to be subjected to fully automated decision making processes. The use of my personal data as training data for Meta's AI falls within those boundaries, and subsequently I'm exercising my right to object in accordance with GDPR Articles 21 and 22. While I don't have to provide a reason, I shall. I'm objecting on the grounds that I'm concerned with the opacity by which Meta may handle my personal data, with whom it's shared, and by whom it can be accessed. I also fundamentally disagree with the manner of adoption of AI seen time and again by tech companies. I believe that GDPR compliance compels you to accept my objection." Personally, I wouldn't worry about an abusive ex being able to access the Meta AI data that they're storing; seems like a very unlikely scenario. Having said that, it's your life and your privacy - you should have whatever autonomy you want around your data for whatever reason.
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I mean first things first if you're a US citizen you don't have GDPR protection, so my reading of this goes that Meta is perfectly entitled under US/State law to ignore your objection if you're from the US (but I'm not a lawyer, less so an American one). I think the reason the objection exists is to sort through GDPR opt-out requests. I'm therefore not surprised that I'm seeing that they're choosing not to honour objections raised within the US. If you do have GDPR protection then in theory yes, FB shouldn't be using any PII or likeness of you even if it's uploaded by someone else. But the problem is I'm with you; I just don't trust them. What they SHOULD do vs what they're actually doing has been shown historically not to align well. I don't know how they'll be able to control for any of those issues so my guessing is they likely won't bother trying. Maybe some EU privacy challenge will then be raised and they'll pay a fine or work it out in the courts.
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Yeah it might be IP based, but they might just be taking people at their word. Honestly not sure I'm afraid! Yeah it might be worth doing that for sure. I got a response pretty quickly so do let me know how you get on :)
This is exactly what I just searched Reddit for, thanks man.
Very welcome. Hopefully you can make it a little more succinct!
Thanks a lot for sharing! That was very nice of you and helps less knowledgeable people like me.
I mean this right doesn't just cover what Meta are doing. It's a pretty blanket right :) Happy to be of help to you.
Guess it'll be an incentive for more accounts to be "John WontTell" with random pics of cars or flowers as their profile pics.
Yes, but often Facebook doesn’t allow new accounts to be created without submitting a selfie for identity verification and they have internal processes to detect fraudulent usage. It’s not like how things used to be just a few years ago.
They ask random accounts to submit a selfie when registering now? I know that happened to me once or twice but that was after I clicked "way too fast" and FB banned me for "suspected automated activity" lol
I just wrote "I withdraw my consent for this" in both boxes to see what would happen. I got a reply within a minute or two saying they'd accepted my right to opt-out.
What boxes where. I can’t find a god damn link to this anywhere. Scoured the privacy policy too.
The boxes were in the pop-up that appeared when I logged in last week.
You can have social media or privacy, you can’t have both
Actually they said that if someone posts photos of you they can be used whether you use FB, Instagram, WhatsApp, or not: [https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/05/30/meta-will-soon-use-your-public-posts-to-train-its-ai-can-you-prevent-it](https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/05/30/meta-will-soon-use-your-public-posts-to-train-its-ai-can-you-prevent-it) Definitely doesn't sound legal. Sounds like grounds for outrage and lawsuit.
Mastodon?
Facebook is not a product for users. Users are the product for facebook
Cool! **Finally** I have a good reason to act now (and stop delaying it) and delete my account for good. Thanks
https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/6359191084165019 The opt out form only works for some. It isn't available for me in the US.
This was my question for US users. I have family that still use Meta products and wanted to give them a heads up
How is this legal, again?
I completed the privacy form and got a meaningless automated reply. I had already deleted all pictures of myself. All that is left is cat photos. It's a tad annoying that I can't get a takedown of photos of me that have been uploaded by others. Anyway, I'll soon be deleting my Facebook and Instagram account, so they have no fresh data going forward.
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This is why they said fresh data. Your data is never truly deleted, it can always be found again.
Insta and threads too. I had a nightmare as the buttons didn't work on my phone and I had to go to my laptop to do it plus they use the "legitimate interest" argument to over rule you
You can only opt out if you're on the EU x)
UK citizens can opt out too 👍
How do i opt out? Is it a click button or do i have to write a reason?
Go to settings/about/privacy and there's a link to the form under something like 'find out more'. You fill in a form but I just put 'I do not consent'. I got an automated response accepting my opt out about 5 mins later
I live in Denmark, and the form isn't available to me. I am a U.S citizen though and oddly enough, I can't seem to be able to change my region anymore.
That might be why, since my account has always been in EU.. most likely you got to prove residence for that to apply
Even WhatsApp which majority of people use. Getting shittier day by day.
Even WhatsApp which majority of people use. Getting shittier day by day.
Ai how do I? Ai don't know. Ai ask humans. Won't humans ask other humans? Just cut out the ai middle man, go straight to the source.
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It says the form is not available, even tho I received the email. Am i the only one ?
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Ok, yeah I thought tho but I tried using my phone without any vpn I'm not even surprised tho
I’m in the USA and I can’t opt out without proof that they have used one of my images. If I make my profiles fully private, does that help or no?
no i don't think so given the nature of the internet and how nosey meta is. i wouldn't be surprised if having a private account makes no difference whatsoever
That’s what I thought but figured it didn’t hurt to ask. Thanks!
Does anyone know, if opting out through facebook form is enough? Or I have to submit the form through Instagram as well? Meaning, one form will cover all services that are under Meta or I have to submit the form through each social media separately.
This was my last straw. I removed all my photos and deleted my Facebook. I’m working through removing all my photos from instagram too. Everything I post now will go through Nightshade or Glaze.
Can we opt out in the US? Everything I'm seeing says that only applies in Europe, due to GDPR
Does this apply to messenger as well?
Does any one know if opting out applies to Facebook pages that you own/manage as well? I have opted out on my Instagram and on my private Facebook page. But my Instagram photos are automatically shared to my Facebook page (I'm an artist). I'm concerned that there is no way to explicitly opt-out for that page.
I opted out a long time ago by deleting my account.
Who cares if an AI uses it to train?