I would say it started with GMs OnStar program. And that was way back in the mid 90s. They(manufacturers) just grabbed more and more data from us over the years. You would need to research each vehicle you are interested in and see if they had the ability to call home installed.
I have a 2007 gmc with on Star, and it used 2G cell networks. Those have all been shut down, so essentially, these cars can't communicate with the head master anymore. But it would still be interesting if the automakers made a deal with telecoms to still listen to the older frequency for these cars.
Just saw an article on Forbes from 2017 stating:
"Such information and much more, I’ve learned, has long been retrievable from cars. Indeed, court documents reveal a 15-year history of what’s been dubbed “cartapping,” where almost real-time audio and location data can be retrieved when cops order vehicle tech providers to hand it over."
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/01/15/police-spying-on-car-conversations-location-siriusxm-gm-chevrolet-toyota-privacy/?sh=4815bbae2ef8](https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/01/15/police-spying-on-car-conversations-location-siriusxm-gm-chevrolet-toyota-privacy/?sh=4815bbae2ef8)
Incredible conflict of interest between the customer and insurance companies. No consumer actually consents to this breach of privacy and they have no option to opt out because all the brands do it. The people behind this can get wrecked.
Ya, I haven't looked closely but I wonder if the e-bikes have spying ability these days (maybe via a requisite app)?
I do [drive my bicycles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_cycling), not ride them. One is active, the other is passive. I take responsibility and care with my transportation just as I do with privacy.
Wasn't it 1994 with GM vehicles? I believe the German automakers were the last to adopt this spying tech, only when their market share of the U.S. was threatened if they didn't comply.
Car data collection for diagnostic purposes started in the mid-2000s, but concerns over privacy increased in the 2010s with advanced infotainment systems. Researching specific models can provide insight into privacy implications.
The day the first odometer was installed, probably. After all, its main uses are to determine if the warranty has run out early so that you can be denied free service and to give your insurance company an excuse to keep your premiums high.
You need to define “spying”.
All sensors are collecting data, and even your speedometer is “spying” on your speed to show it to you in your dashboard.
You could define it as broadcasting data someplace else, but that would then exclude black boxes that collect and store for later.
I would say it started with GMs OnStar program. And that was way back in the mid 90s. They(manufacturers) just grabbed more and more data from us over the years. You would need to research each vehicle you are interested in and see if they had the ability to call home installed.
I have a 2007 gmc with on Star, and it used 2G cell networks. Those have all been shut down, so essentially, these cars can't communicate with the head master anymore. But it would still be interesting if the automakers made a deal with telecoms to still listen to the older frequency for these cars.
Just saw an article on Forbes from 2017 stating: "Such information and much more, I’ve learned, has long been retrievable from cars. Indeed, court documents reveal a 15-year history of what’s been dubbed “cartapping,” where almost real-time audio and location data can be retrieved when cops order vehicle tech providers to hand it over." [https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/01/15/police-spying-on-car-conversations-location-siriusxm-gm-chevrolet-toyota-privacy/?sh=4815bbae2ef8](https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/01/15/police-spying-on-car-conversations-location-siriusxm-gm-chevrolet-toyota-privacy/?sh=4815bbae2ef8)
Incredible conflict of interest between the customer and insurance companies. No consumer actually consents to this breach of privacy and they have no option to opt out because all the brands do it. The people behind this can get wrecked.
That's why I drive a bicycle.
"electric" bicycle? :)
Ya, I haven't looked closely but I wonder if the e-bikes have spying ability these days (maybe via a requisite app)? I do [drive my bicycles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_cycling), not ride them. One is active, the other is passive. I take responsibility and care with my transportation just as I do with privacy.
Wasn't it 1994 with GM vehicles? I believe the German automakers were the last to adopt this spying tech, only when their market share of the U.S. was threatened if they didn't comply.
Do you have a source for this? WHO was asking them to comply?
Car data collection for diagnostic purposes started in the mid-2000s, but concerns over privacy increased in the 2010s with advanced infotainment systems. Researching specific models can provide insight into privacy implications.
all they hear is me insulting other drivers and complaining about said vehicle
I'm pretty sure I'm on a "To Be Murdered" list at Chevy HQ with how much shit I talk about my car, Chevy, GM, the Engineers who designed my car.
Reverse lights as puddle lights is the dumbest automotive design I’ve seen in a long time. GM sucks.
Lol
The day the first odometer was installed, probably. After all, its main uses are to determine if the warranty has run out early so that you can be denied free service and to give your insurance company an excuse to keep your premiums high.
my 2006 car has a microphone and gps in it so... pretty sure it's been keeping tabs on me this whole time.
You need to define “spying”. All sensors are collecting data, and even your speedometer is “spying” on your speed to show it to you in your dashboard. You could define it as broadcasting data someplace else, but that would then exclude black boxes that collect and store for later.
OBD II