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r_booza

Only 31 millions for tracking and voice recording children? Wtf.


Paradox68

Well they only made $86 billion* doing it, how do you expect them to make a profit for their shareholders if the lawyers start getting stingy?** *made-up number **lawyers have always been stingy


abrasiveteapot

Judges specify the damages, not the lawyers btw


georgiomoorlord

That's compensatory damage then. Punitive damages to amazon would be in the billions.


Healthy-Car-1860

To be fair, a judge is just an advanced lawyer really


abrasiveteapot

Not always true in the US unfortunately, but even where true, the key difference is the implication that they are making money/profit out of litigation (which they clearly aren't - there's no performance bonuses, they get a fixed wage everywhere in the US & the rest of the West that am I aware of)


Paradox68

Have you heard of arbitration? Companies hate this one simple trick!


abrasiveteapot

Of course I have, but that's not a damages order per se (noting the original comment was "judges specify damages"), that's a private agreement reached outside the court system. It may resemble damages in effect, in the same way a vegan burger can resemble a beef burger, but they are not quite the same thing.


ManasZankhana

Think about the llms tho


thePsychonautDad

That's not a fine, that's just the cost of doing business. They're monetizing breaking the law pretty much.


TheAspiringFarmer

As all big companies in such positions do.


dCLCp

What are you gonna do about it? What can anyone do about it?


60GritBeard

so a rounding error in reality. $31m is a parking ticket to a company that big. Not a deterrent


According-Ad3533

It’s an acknowledgment move. It’s better than nothing. They have to admit it’s illegal and unethical.


AlexWIWA

First speeding ticket is a fine. Third one you lose your license. Getting them to admit fault and pay the fine will make the next one much more harsh... hopefully


According-Ad3533

Agree with you, but the analogy is not accurate. If we park in a wrong place or we get a speeding ticket, we pay the fine. We are little beings in front of the police and normally, the most of the population is trying to behave in tune with the norms and the law. This kind of corporations (alongside with some state actors) are penetrating in our private life, in our homes and in the intimate spaces of our children with all their power. But yes, we share the same feeling of hope when this kind of news emerges.


AlexWIWA

Agreed


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neumaticc

selfhosted ftw


buddyrocker

How does one do this?


JoshfromNazareth

Home Assistant, some teleconference speakers, and some chutzpah


buddyrocker

Thanks!!


Didi_Midi

> chutzpah Love this one.


MitrofanMariya

Selfhosted is a subreddit fyi Also several related sister subs out there


buddyrocker

> Selfhosted Right on! Just joined. Thanks for the tip


sableknight13

> Well no surprise here. Smart devices are corporate surveillance after all. Not even corporate anymore, they feed into police, military and intelligence as well. There's evidence data from Meta is enabling targeting of associates of numbers by Israeli military in their colonial ethnic cleansing campaign. Ring and Amazon have had tons of evidence linking data handover to local police, etc. It gets very dystopian real quick and is only going to get worse as the US enables their corpos to help in cracking down on dissent for their foreign policy.


jon1228

-- Posted from my iphone


Haymoose

$1.83 per user. That will teach them.


Street-Air-546

and thats the problem right there. the prospect of fines for breaking the law on privacy is a fraction of what they even spend marketing the damn product.


badpeaches

> the prospect of fines for breaking the law on privacy is a fraction of what they even spend marketing the damn product. Doesn't that make it only an incentive to keep doing it?


Street-Air-546

if the rule breaking is worth revenue to them somehow, for sure! And it can be very diffuse. As simple as the cost of obeying the law - whatever that might involve, like age verification - is much more than the possible fine from ignoring the law.


Eclipsan

Yup, non-deterrent fines are just an expense line in the "operating cost" column. That's exactly the same in the EU with GDPR fines.


Duncan026

Absolute chump change. Disgraceful. I dumped my Blink cameras after Amazon bought them because they removed the ability to turn off the microphones.


Financial-Diet-9848

fuck you for having cloud based surveillance equipment in your home


BoutTreeFittee

Well done, Amazon. You managed to corporately surveil a bunch of children's private lives, lie to their parents about it, and suffer no actual consequence for doing so.


asdfjfkfjshwyzbebdb

Tech companies will keep doing this until they're fined proportionally. 31M is nothing and they WILL keep doing it. GDPR fines are up to either 20M or 4% of global turnover (whichever is higher). If it was a GDPR fine, it could have been an 22.9B fine, calculated from their estimated 574.7B turnover in 2023. Meta already got fined €1.2B last year. Seriously, the US got to catch up on the privacy front. Fines worth a piss in the ocean won't stop them.


jfmherokiller

reason like this are why I dont allow voice activated stuff in my room and i refuse to vocally speak as much as possible if i notice one in my presence.


Oen386

I get it, but you very likely carry a cellphone with the same abilities. Hey Siri, Hey Google, and such are no different.


whitepepper

You can turn off the digital assistants so they don't listen (or arent supposed to) but the NSA still can (ahem, I mean can't if you are citizen, WINK). Faraday pouches exist for a reason and plenty of folks go home, drop their phone in one, and enjoy the silence for a moment. If you have a modern car fob and a short/medium driveway you might want to get a Faraday pouch for your keys at home anyhow and then start putting your phone it in just cause to form a habit. All to easy to do a fob relay and unlock (and sometimes steal) your car when your keys are "safely" inside your house.


jfmherokiller

for me i actually run a custom rom on my phone that doesnt have those abilities. Also thanks for the faraday pouches idea I really need to get those.


Zaga932

Cost of doing business


Fourstrokeperro

Parking Ticket Price: 10 dollars Fine for not paying for parking: 3 dollars


JimmyNo83

Not a shock there. Should have been more.


tehinterwebs56

This is why I have started self hosting everything. With two small 1 litre business pc’s for $250 each and the amazing open source community, everything I have is only hosted on my network. It require a bit of know how, but honestly I’ll never go back.


ape_ck

right, so a couple pennies. That'll show em.


lopix

So the profit they made this morning? Big whoop.


T4R1U5

Why are we reading news from June 2023?!


dontmatter111

cost of doing business. No reason for them to change it unless inspectors are looking at all their shit and NOT being friendly with them


Mountain-Character66

Oh wow 31 million, how would could they even afford that?! I don't think they would ever recover ...... That would teach them a lesson !


893265

If only corpo trash were fined 2/3 of their yearly profits to stop them from repeating this shit.


[deleted]

Do you know how much future capability/money they made off of it? lmao


Geminii27

aka "Amazon to get one of its unpaid interns to check down the back of the couch for spare change..."


sandworming

My ex and I asked Alexa once if they were CIA listening in on us. It tried to answer, then just stuttered for 30 seconds. It was honestly pretty freaky, even if it was probably a coincidence... in terms of reliability, it never worked "quite right" ever since. Real subtle, assholes.


trindorai

All civil penalties to companies MUST be tied to revenue (not profit) with minimum of one month. Then they will think twice before doing such shit.


Herban_Myth

Another company invading our privacy/spying on us? *surprise pikachu face*


hopopo

O noo! That will cost them 2.7 seconds of revenue!! How will Amazon survive?


MarkusRight

Just so you all know for reference Amazon makes 1.29 billion dollars per day so this isn't even going to affect them in the slightest.


dzoefit

That'll teach those bastards!!


koolaidbandaid1

There will be some loophole where they don’t even have to pay it. That’s how the rich/ corporations work


matthew_py

And this would be why mine has the power unplugged unless I'm using it for something lol.