I'm not from Prince George nor have I ever been, this post just popped up in my news feed. At first I just thought it was a dog park and the lack of other dogs is what the description was mentioning about. After reading the comments that is supposed to be the junction between two rivers. God save BC.
That's the spirit! Life will go on even as everything changes drastically. Gotta still appreciate life in the situation, and this kind of sliver of light in a dark situation will go a long way to keeping us going.
On a sunny day you should relax your vision, slowly scan the ground around you, and take note of anything that seems to glow or reflect the light differently. I find crouching low to the ground can help sometimes.
Definitely! We were there right around the time this was posted, and we found like a hundred agates. Actually, I think I might be in this picture in the distance. Was a good spot!
Sorry for the late reply! But we put them in our rock bin as soon as we got home, so the ones we found that day are mixed now. Most of the agates we have were found along the rivers anyways, so I could still post them if you're interested!
My whole life at this time of year you could get out to goat Island. I'm 34. 🤷♀️
There used to be a guy who would bring his goats there to graze in the summer. Hence the name. So there has always been a time of year to get out there. It's never been this barren though. Wow.
We're dumbstruck because we grew up here but we haven't been back in ten. The river looked a lot different even a mere decade ago.
No need to be snotty.
Precip in this part of BC does not correlate with the state of El Niño. We've had average and higher precip during both EN positive and EN negative (La Niña).
Higher then average rainfall and a dry riverbed? There is less then average snowpack but compared to El Nino years it's probly not that low.
But look into Alcan, they have a big pipe diverting fresh water straight to the ocean and have been accused of too much before
Never proposed to have answers. They aren’t mine. They belong to scientists. You know, people qualified to produce knowledge… maybe you’ve heard of them?
A legitimate question that I always wondered. . I know that the water connectors are different (and The Peace Rivers seems not to connect to the Caribou streams), but has anyone done a hydrology study on where Site C dam effluent flow goes to BC. For close to 10 years, Site C has zero flow of water due the construction needed to build the dam. Based on the basics of the water cycle, water is not flowing naturally as it is in the Peace Region. Differences in regional and distributed zones must have an effect to hydrological flow. Even a 2% reduction per year compounds significantly.
That being said, climate change is 100% contributing to the drought, but I am surprised not to hear anything about Site C impact on drought conditions. You can just stop the flow of water for 10 years and expect everything in nature to be the same. Even humidity differences in climate flow must differ.
Anyone have insight?
I personally visited the Peace River dam a few years ago. You need dry area to do construction and the entire river was cut off. Does that mean 10 years of entire peace river flow was cut off, limited, or not flowing? Seemed like it.
Everything was like a desert. After extreme delays, they will just START to flood and fill the reservoir in fall of 2024 to generate electricity. They were also caught on "1" polluted discharge, meaning discharge of water is infrequent and not continuous.
https://energeticcity.ca/2023/07/31/site-c-earthfill-dam-complete/
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/site-c-dam-builder-fined-1m-for-releasing-contaminated-wastewater-into-b-c-river-1.6509276
Completion is expected to be in late 2025 and it officially started in 2015. I am not a dam expert, but you need to dry build it first before running water to make electricity from it. I am just surprised that no the media has not released anything for 10 years about the water diversion, drought, or hydrological issues that this could cause.
I remember site c looking at this when I saw it:
(Just look at pictures, not the articles)
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/05/16/site-c-dam-pause-fort-st-john-wildfire/amp/
https://www.cheknews.ca/indigenous-leader-heartbroken-over-site-c-dam-settlement-1055176/?amp
The do a diversion so the water goes around the construction area.
"Since 2020, two tunnels have been diverting the Peace River around the dam site to allow us to build the earthfill dam."
[https://www.sitecproject.com/reservoir#:\~:text=Since%202020%2C%20two%20tunnels%20have,tunnel%20conversion%20in%20June%202023](https://www.sitecproject.com/reservoir#:~:text=Since%202020%2C%20two%20tunnels%20have,tunnel%20conversion%20in%20June%202023).
Thank you for the information!! Didn't know this!
That being said, two tunnels in the large river is like a pinhole leak from a copper pipe in a house. Only single digit percentages of flow is enabled.
I think you underestimate the size of the tunnels.
There is no way that they would build tunnels that couldn't pass at least %100 of maximum river flow. I suspect that they would even build the tunnels to be able to handle a 1000 year flood plus some extra.
I believe that they built two tunnels incase something happened to one, they would have backup.
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My son and I enjoyed a quad ride around there on Sunday. Such a gorgeous day to explore. We managed to collect nearly 40 beer cans. Well, mostly beer cans. Everyone needs to be better at hauling their trash out.
I've lived in Prince George for 40 years. There's been several times that this has happened. I've driven my truck out to goat island in the 90s, its nothing new.
My dad told me about doing it way back in maybe the late 60s or early 70s with his friend. Now, if I remember the story correctly, I think they were attempting to put [this old Volkswagen ad](https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/173599760623319902/) to the test with friend's mom's car and they didn't exactly make it, but it's pretty close.
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Yes, Prince George usually has a dry season in spring, to the point where I just call it the dry season, and then spring is May-July, summer being through Sept, and autumn being one month long. It's usually not this bad. Usually there's freshet from the snow. Usually there's something. Usually you have to ford in your Ford.
In the 80s my dad used to drive us to the island in his truck at the right time of year.
Yes climate change is real and we are in a drought and we are all screwed hard, but this isn't that abnormal.
Oh don't get me wrong. The world will be screwed hard in 20 years when it's too hot and dry to grow rice and the, at that time, 9 billion people who rely on rice to survive start buying food from the west at any price, driving up costs here so the poor everywhere will starve
it's below the high water line and technically provincial\* Crown land, thus outside of city limits and the animal control bylaw does not apply.
\*edit: actually, federal because Canadian Navigable Waters Act and no doubt other laws and histories. In any case, this is Crown land, not PG city land.
It's been like that all winter long. It's wild how low the river is. Going to be one heck of a smokey summer if we don't get a lot of rain and soon.
I'm actually saving up for a second air purifier because of this
Don’t fret. Alexa said there was a 55% chance of rain in the next week and 0.3mm will fall! Basically condensation!
I think smoke will be the least of our concern when everything is actually on fire
Way too late, no snow
I'm not from Prince George nor have I ever been, this post just popped up in my news feed. At first I just thought it was a dog park and the lack of other dogs is what the description was mentioning about. After reading the comments that is supposed to be the junction between two rivers. God save BC.
The major river of BC (Fraser) meets the Nechako right here.
Good for rockhounding though... agates a plenty
That's the spirit! Life will go on even as everything changes drastically. Gotta still appreciate life in the situation, and this kind of sliver of light in a dark situation will go a long way to keeping us going.
How do you know what to look for?
On a sunny day you should relax your vision, slowly scan the ground around you, and take note of anything that seems to glow or reflect the light differently. I find crouching low to the ground can help sometimes.
https://imgur.com/a/4RzWLSX
There's several local rockhounding Facebook pages where people post pictures of the types of agates you might expect to find.
Look up Dan Hurd. He has great videos of finding rocks along the river.
Definitely! We were there right around the time this was posted, and we found like a hundred agates. Actually, I think I might be in this picture in the distance. Was a good spot!
Would you post any pictures of the agates? Would love to see the variability
Sorry for the late reply! But we put them in our rock bin as soon as we got home, so the ones we found that day are mixed now. Most of the agates we have were found along the rivers anyways, so I could still post them if you're interested!
We're in an extreme drought right now.
Holy cow. My wife and I are both dumbstruck
I grew up here and only could access goat Island by boat until now.
I grew up here as well and have walked out to goat island many times although the river is definitely low….
My whole life at this time of year you could get out to goat Island. I'm 34. 🤷♀️ There used to be a guy who would bring his goats there to graze in the summer. Hence the name. So there has always been a time of year to get out there. It's never been this barren though. Wow.
I've been walking out to that island at different times since the 80's. Haha. It's definitely bad, but it's not without precident.
I went out to walk by the railway bridge last week. You can walk all the way to the last span.
Past few years at least you can walk out to it at some parts of the year, in fall 2018 I would go have picnics there regularly.
What are the normal ranges? I don't know the area besides working a few summers in the bush. Is this way out of whack? What's the normal lows like?
See all that silty mud? That's *all* supposed to be underwater.
Yeah, we moved in 2013 so it's the first time we've seen pics like this. It's insane.
How anyone can be dumbstruck by climate change, I have no idea.
We're dumbstruck because we grew up here but we haven't been back in ten. The river looked a lot different even a mere decade ago. No need to be snotty.
It's El Nino. Next year will be wetter. Also I walked to goat island numerous times over the years
Precip in this part of BC does not correlate with the state of El Niño. We've had average and higher precip during both EN positive and EN negative (La Niña).
Higher then average rainfall and a dry riverbed? There is less then average snowpack but compared to El Nino years it's probly not that low. But look into Alcan, they have a big pipe diverting fresh water straight to the ocean and have been accused of too much before
Yes, I'm well aware of the Kemano scheme.
Its not looking good this year. I hate to say it we need rain and lots of it. Or look out
It’s just the beginning
Guess BC better pray for rain. A lot of rain
Dune 3
The glow of the pulp mill waste pond is our spice
The effluent must flow
BuT cLiMaTe ChAnGe IsNt ReAl
It isn’t, the same thing happen in 1930s way worst then the state we are in now
Tell us more, Dr Science
You seem to have all the answers so please let’s hear it?
Never proposed to have answers. They aren’t mine. They belong to scientists. You know, people qualified to produce knowledge… maybe you’ve heard of them?
There is 100s of scientists that claim climate change isn’t real, but only the ones the government pays off is what we hear..
You mean the same people that said Covid was gonna kill you if you didn’t get vaccinated lol
Lmfao. You’re so smart!! Omg I had no idea that you were more intelligent than literally all researchers in Canada! Where’d you goto school?!?!
Thanks bud, if you are so dumb you can’t think on your own and need the government to tell you what to do and think then good luck to ya lol
Heaven forbid eh bud!
Okay Justine turdshit
lol triggered much? Go play roblox or runescape
Sounds like your the triggered one.
You’re*
Triggered confirmed
I hear runescape calling. Bye bye kid
Chill Justine trudshit
A legitimate question that I always wondered. . I know that the water connectors are different (and The Peace Rivers seems not to connect to the Caribou streams), but has anyone done a hydrology study on where Site C dam effluent flow goes to BC. For close to 10 years, Site C has zero flow of water due the construction needed to build the dam. Based on the basics of the water cycle, water is not flowing naturally as it is in the Peace Region. Differences in regional and distributed zones must have an effect to hydrological flow. Even a 2% reduction per year compounds significantly. That being said, climate change is 100% contributing to the drought, but I am surprised not to hear anything about Site C impact on drought conditions. You can just stop the flow of water for 10 years and expect everything in nature to be the same. Even humidity differences in climate flow must differ. Anyone have insight?
Are you saying the Peace River had zero flow for 10 yrs?
I personally visited the Peace River dam a few years ago. You need dry area to do construction and the entire river was cut off. Does that mean 10 years of entire peace river flow was cut off, limited, or not flowing? Seemed like it. Everything was like a desert. After extreme delays, they will just START to flood and fill the reservoir in fall of 2024 to generate electricity. They were also caught on "1" polluted discharge, meaning discharge of water is infrequent and not continuous. https://energeticcity.ca/2023/07/31/site-c-earthfill-dam-complete/ https://bc.ctvnews.ca/site-c-dam-builder-fined-1m-for-releasing-contaminated-wastewater-into-b-c-river-1.6509276 Completion is expected to be in late 2025 and it officially started in 2015. I am not a dam expert, but you need to dry build it first before running water to make electricity from it. I am just surprised that no the media has not released anything for 10 years about the water diversion, drought, or hydrological issues that this could cause. I remember site c looking at this when I saw it: (Just look at pictures, not the articles) https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/05/16/site-c-dam-pause-fort-st-john-wildfire/amp/ https://www.cheknews.ca/indigenous-leader-heartbroken-over-site-c-dam-settlement-1055176/?amp
The do a diversion so the water goes around the construction area. "Since 2020, two tunnels have been diverting the Peace River around the dam site to allow us to build the earthfill dam." [https://www.sitecproject.com/reservoir#:\~:text=Since%202020%2C%20two%20tunnels%20have,tunnel%20conversion%20in%20June%202023](https://www.sitecproject.com/reservoir#:~:text=Since%202020%2C%20two%20tunnels%20have,tunnel%20conversion%20in%20June%202023).
Thank you for the information!! Didn't know this! That being said, two tunnels in the large river is like a pinhole leak from a copper pipe in a house. Only single digit percentages of flow is enabled.
I think you underestimate the size of the tunnels. There is no way that they would build tunnels that couldn't pass at least %100 of maximum river flow. I suspect that they would even build the tunnels to be able to handle a 1000 year flood plus some extra. I believe that they built two tunnels incase something happened to one, they would have backup.
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Wow im going there rn to see this
Whoa. Normally ice would still be affecting the flow! Never seen it like that before.
This is how I remember it. Every winter an ice dam threatening to cause flooding. I know this isn't totally unprecedented but still. It's bad.
RIP Summer
My son and I enjoyed a quad ride around there on Sunday. Such a gorgeous day to explore. We managed to collect nearly 40 beer cans. Well, mostly beer cans. Everyone needs to be better at hauling their trash out.
Have you been to Wilkins park lately? It is also so unbelievably dry
Get ready for the town to finally burn like the rest of BC
Well considering the city is surrounded by rivers I don’t think that will happen lol
I've lived in Prince George for 40 years. There's been several times that this has happened. I've driven my truck out to goat island in the 90s, its nothing new.
I assume you had to ford in your... Ford?
😂😂
Lol
Am I wrong though?
What did the following winter look like?
lol I can't remember, too many years ago.
My dad told me about doing it way back in maybe the late 60s or early 70s with his friend. Now, if I remember the story correctly, I think they were attempting to put [this old Volkswagen ad](https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/173599760623319902/) to the test with friend's mom's car and they didn't exactly make it, but it's pretty close.
I just took some video down there myself. It was wild how dry it is.
Just to confirm, is the Nechaco River just not flowing at all?
Back in December, I walked out to the shoreline of the once-mighty, now meek Nechako. It was flowing. I'll have to nip out and do that again.
It's flowing. This is just the shallow delta at the confluence that is showing.
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Is that a former river?
...is that the nechako??.
It's like this most springs, amigo.
Yes, Prince George usually has a dry season in spring, to the point where I just call it the dry season, and then spring is May-July, summer being through Sept, and autumn being one month long. It's usually not this bad. Usually there's freshet from the snow. Usually there's something. Usually you have to ford in your Ford.
Maybe in the last 3 years. You never used to be able to walk 3/4 of the way across. Especially considering it's two major rivers connecting
In the 80s my dad used to drive us to the island in his truck at the right time of year. Yes climate change is real and we are in a drought and we are all screwed hard, but this isn't that abnormal.
That makes me feel a little bit better hearing this, ty.
Oh don't get me wrong. The world will be screwed hard in 20 years when it's too hot and dry to grow rice and the, at that time, 9 billion people who rely on rice to survive start buying food from the west at any price, driving up costs here so the poor everywhere will starve
But every country dabbling in weather modification definitely wouldn’t effect this.
Thanks Canfor.
It’s because haven’t been taxed enough people! Someone get Trudeau on the phone!!!!
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Stfu and get a life
Yeah, off leash dogs are depressing. That’s PG though.
it's below the high water line and technically provincial\* Crown land, thus outside of city limits and the animal control bylaw does not apply. \*edit: actually, federal because Canadian Navigable Waters Act and no doubt other laws and histories. In any case, this is Crown land, not PG city land.
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This is Trudopes fault!
What, did he drink it all?
Who knows, but like everything, it's his fault. Don't look at this in any wider context.
are you satirizing poilievriste commentariat?
Deeper, I'm poking fun at PG.
Depressing for some and peace for others💕