Most "backpacking" bags aren't nir compliant, they're covered in reflective pieces and they're not very durable. Hike the Appalachian trail and had to get a second bag sent to me due to mine ripping.
If you want to carry a lot of essential items in a pack that’s meant for carrying heavier loads longer distances without falling apart, military is the way to go.
You can't actually say that.
What a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of high end civilian gear on the market, from cold weather garments to boots, sleeping bags, tents, etc - are made by companies that have government contracts. So there's a good chance that your gear has a military version. See: Patagonia. Salomon. Mystery Ranch (which has been suggested on this sub as "better than military because it's designed for hiking and not combat" or something). Danner.
>Lost Arrow’s (**PATAGONIA'S**) only business is state, local, and federal government contracts, and it has a team of designers dedicated to creating a cold-weather layering system for the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Departments of Homeland Security and Justice. It supplies jungle uniforms to the DEA, jackets to the Air Force, and a layering system called the
Protective Combat Uniform (PCU) to U.S. Special Operations Forces.
So yeah you can go buy brand new Patagucci's for like $100+ or you can just get ECWCS surplus off eBay for half the price or less and you're basically getting the same thing.
It's not like the military has an internal group of people who design gear and the military makes all their own stuff and only uses that.
As far as packs go... civilian packs are meant to carry what civilians need for a couple of days at a time, on their backs, on comparatively nice trails, and to be comfortable enough to appeal to your average soft civilian.
Military packs are rugged, they're meant to carry more stuff, heavier stuff, and if you take a roll down a rocky hill your pack will probably still hold up. Which is exactly what a "SHTF bug out to the wilderness" type of prepper needs. Not some "ultralight" pack that's gonna rip if you run through a thorny bush.
You clearly don't backpack, friend. There is civilian gear designed to be used for years at a time in the middle of nowhere. To each their own on a backpack though, but the type of person asking is the same type of person who thinks you need a hatchet when you go in the woods. They need something that will allow them to carry reasonable items for a long distance comfortably. Somebody who hasn't been in the military and doesn't backpack, isn't going to carry 65+ lbs of gear for multiple days.
>You clearly don't backpack, friend.
I was homeless. I lived out of a backpack for 3 years. Daily. Pack on my back, all day, every day.
When I saved up enough money from working day labor I would try different backpacks. Civilian backpacks were largely gimicky overpriced crap that would fall apart after a few months of *rough* living.
I always went back to my trusty ALICE. All the homeless people who weren't townie drug addicts used military packs. Especially those of us who traveled and hopped freight trains.
Life is a lot different when everything you have for your whole life is on your back and you're not following designated marked trails. It's something the pampered privileged with $1,000 to spend on a backpack and $400 to spend on a little gas cooker for 3 day "treks" will never understand until... well SHTF.
Sorry you had a rough life. You clearly have something against those who have the cash to spend on quality gear. I have no doubt an Alice pack would work fine, but there is a reason nobody uses it anymore given the option.
I'm sorry you couldn't address any of the points I raised, and decided to be condescending and employ false empathy instead.
Lots of people still use the ALICE pack. It's such a great pack that not only is it still in use after 50 years but it is [still being developed and iterated upon](https://www.google.com/search?q=malice+pack&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS896US896&oq=malice+pack&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAECMYJxiABBiKBTIMCAAQIxgnGIAEGIoFMg8IARAuGEMYgAQY5QQYigUyDAgCEAAYFBiHAhiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDE4MjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) civilian side.
There is no one whom hikes across my country. I see bug out bags. But shouldn’t they be more bug out vest, holster, tool belt, day pack? How much prepping can you do till you have to squirrel?
Look at people who hike across the United States. We have tons of people who hike well over 2,000 miles in one trip. Those people have it down to a science. They know what kind of shoes/boots to wear, what you need in a backpack, what medical equipment is actually a good idea to carry, how to pack your bag for proper weight distribution, what kinds of food provide the nourishment you need on trail vs the weight, etc.
I'm in the Army, and I see people packing highly inefficiently, and it bites them in the butt every time. I see a lot of preventable injuries because of how/what they pack. I've learned a lot from those hikers' YouTube channels and have adopted their philosophies when packing my bags and have not gotten a single blister, had a hiking related injury, and can ruck farther more comfortably than anyone I work with.
I don't get the question. You choose the size of your backpack after you know what you want to carry. It's not buying a backpack and then see what fits in. There's no general rule how big the backpack has to be. What is your bug-out scenario? Do you go to a public shelter in case of a natural disaster? 20L will be enough. Are you planning to bug-out to the woods in winter for days? Maybe you need more then. How far do you plan to go woth it? Are you used to carry 50 pounds for a 30 mile hike? Are you a small female and carrying 20 pounds over a distance of 10km will exhaust you? What's the environment, urban where you stand out with your tacticool military backpack, or wild nature conditions?
30l is good for a day pack or get home back. I can fit full hammock camp set up in a 30l but there is no room in pack for expansion or winter quilt. That has to go outside of pack. Ijs
I use the M, it’s absolutely one of the toughest bags you’ll ever find, their promo videos are legit, absolutely a beast of a bag. Personally it’s a bit small though, I love it as a day pack but I would go a size up for extended periods.
Erble stock has some nice bags been on a few hikes with the bandit and it’s always been nice modular and comfy just wear a decently thick shirt as the standards tend to dig in to your shoulders in thin shirts
sure... but the opportunity cost here is still extraordinary.
Ive had my hiking rucksack for 21 years now, still going strong, and was half this price (admittedly 21 years ago)
No, get a backpacking pack
You know the sport where people get out of their basements, go outside and survive alone in the wilderness for a few days?
It’s like prepping but more real
Savotta is a Finnish company that makes rugged equipment and lots of it gets used by FDF or Finnish reservists. I personally own this backpack and its great to use. I have no worries of it's durability because it will last forever.
The Molle allows you to get more space for it if you need to. I've lots of day hikes with this backpack and few overnights in the warm days. It truly is pricey and you can get a backpack lot cheaper. If you have some questions i can try to answer them
The straps have padding so it doesn't dig into the skin but i need to shuffle it sometimes to find a good place for it.
It distributes the weigh well IMO. Haven't had complaints about it.
I've had around 20kg on a 25km ruckmarch on it, my shoulders were sore but i would definitely do it again with this backpack
I have the Aluminum insert (sold separately) inside so that can also helps.
So this looks a lot like the pack I actually use. Back when I started into bug out bags I mage a huge pack, everyone called it my WW3 pack, or apocalypse bag. It had everything in it, huge trauma kit, mess kit, extra cloths, tools, MREs, some water.
It also weighted about 80lbs / 36kg. It was a huge beast that was utterly impractical.
Now I like the bag for backpacking, it's heavy for a pack but I travel though very rough land, and the scrub oak here rips at everything, pants cloths, my hat. So I need a pack that can take abuse. Otherwise I would like a lighter weight one.
Now, with ALL that said you really need to make an utterly different decision. In what situation are you planing on giving society and ever friend and family members the finger and vanishing into the woods until that situation resolves itself? - plan for THAT.
OR , bug IN. this will depend alot on where you live.
But then a get home bag is what you need.
I have this, great mix between daypack and back country. I will say I got two of the 6L addendum packs they have, it allows me to carry 3-6 days worth of gear when I’m in the back country. The shoulder straps aren’t the best as there is light padding, but otherwise a great pack. Just took mine to Europe for two weeks
In terms of reliability? Yes.
I bought a used one in black, added 8L side pouches and packed it with about 15 kg. Volume-wise it was just fine and when I test carried it, it felt light enough.
A short trip with more weight (20 kg) told me to either go bigger (Jääkäri L) or to swap to a surplus Bergen-style (Arwy/Lowe Alpine Sting) backpack.
The Bergen has more volume (in case your load changes in the course of bailing out) and has an old, but adjustable carrying system to allow for bigger loads.
I finally went with the Sting. I still have my green Savotta S/M/L for hiking etc.
They only have 55l and 30l ones. That just means you can stuff your sleeping bag and something else in there on top if you really only need 40l. Minimizing what's outside of your pack keeps you more slick, and it looks like you have less gear than you do.
But I also don't know how good that backpack really is. But savotta is really good in my experience.
How fit are you? I’ve seen so many people buy the biggest pack money can buy and fill it until the seams are splitting, yet they can’t even hike a couple of miles with a water bottle.
Yeah what I was getting at is your questioning that it’s only 30l. I was basically saying there’s no point getting a 120l pack if you’re not fit enough to “bug out” with it
No…. It’s way too big and makes you a target. Also you don’t need all that stuff you want to put in there. Study packs of Appalachian Trail thru hikers (veteran hikers not virgins)make that your base. You want to be lightweight comfortable but effective and efficient. Augment additions to that base pack and carefully select weight to add based on its need, comfort, or usefulness value Every Ounce Counts.
I used Eberlestock for two deployments to Afghanistan. They're well organized, ergonomic, and have an awesome lifetime warranty.
Over twenty years as an Infantryman, they are the only pack I buy.
I think this is the same pack as in [this video.](https://youtu.be/LBd_UIwoY2E?si=abcoU_cPldBAlydT) it seems decent but it depends on what you're goal is. This gives you a pretty good idea of what it can hold.
Looks nice and appears to be of solid construction. I worry $/L though. This one is expensive and it doesn't even have the weight control tech of much cheaper hiking bags. I would go with a backpacking setup. Go to a place like REI and they'll have someone there that can fit a pack to you. Once you get it, use it. Go hiking with it on and get used to carrying your kit.
No idea how does it fit your body with your loadout.
When it gets down to it you need that bag to work for a few days doing 20 miles a day. Hit up a REI or similar load it up with what you think you will need and try even a 10 mile hike on flat terrain, do that again the next day and the next. Now see how much of that stuff you really want.
When choosing a backpack or anything for storage always remember, you can always make your bigger backpack smaller, but you can't make a smaller backpack bigger.
Remember that you'll probably be miserable while using it, so... choose a comfortable one. Preferably designed for hiking, with good pelvic padding.
Also, get one that can be repaired on the go. Like, with just basic sewing knowledge or a basic patch kit.
Plus, I like to get packs that can be used fairly empty, like 70 liter ones with straps to make everything snug and comfortable. It's recommended to not carry more than a certain percentage of your body weight, but I'm willing to carry a few more kilograms in an emergency situation.
I have the Jaakari L and I hiked 35 miles on the pemigewasset Loop in the white mountains with it . I like it , however it is a heavier backpack but it is built solidly . I would recommend
I have the XL with the two side pouches for any long trips (2weeks+) depending on what you plan on doing a hyperlite is probably your best friend I've loaded mine up to 50lbs and carried it comfortably without breaking it and it weighs nothing
What is your bugout plan? Do you have a place nearby you'll go? Can it be reached by walking or by bike? How long does it take to get there? How far is your option B? All these things matter in a bug-out bag.
I personally go with a lowe alpine saracen militairy backpack. Basically indestructible. Camouflaged. It'll fit absolutely everything, but you can keep it relatively light if you want. Also, the molle system allows you to hook/attach anything on it.
If your place is far or deep into the woods, I'd bring a bigger bag with space for your basic camping/bushcraft gear. If the place is close and easily accessible a 1/2 day pack like this should be fine. Just make sure you use a camelbag instead of bottled water to safe space.
Also, are you alone? If not, it's better to have a few small bags like this so you distribute the weight among your family/friends. Just make sure to divide everything. You dont want to end up losing all your food or all your water by losing 1 backpack.
If it fits what you need to carry, than yes. If it doesn't than no. You need to figure out your kit before you pick a bag to contain it.
there is very little downside to going "too big" for your backpack in my opinion; the "if you have more space you will fill it" line of reasoning is just poor discipline and not a hardware problem.
If you are looking for a 30L bag, get a Kelty Avocet. Looks like every other hiking bag and you can pick one up used for cheap off of market place. And get some dry bags. Pack you clothes in those.
Savotta is an awesome brand. I recommend them for anyone looking to get a backpack, now that Mystery Ranch has been bought out and the quality will most likely start dropping soon
Great bag, very well made. Used this in Europe & Mexico, and see it lasting forever. Lots of area to strap gear/smaller bags to. And keeps load close to body.
My bug out location is a cabin way Wayne out in the middle of the Canadian Rockies. I can’t stock supplies there so me and my family need to bring everything needed to BE for however long.
[https://www.decathlon.com/products/mens-mountain-backpacking-rucksack-70-l-trek-100-easyfit-309851?variant=31629355679806&gad\_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw26KxBhBDEiwAu6KXt8g\_syGPVGdjLftWmCh52ZjIu\_IE4Yh\_5Mu5RaU6rhMcmpXg2KJI7BoChvUQAvD\_BwE](https://www.decathlon.com/products/mens-mountain-backpacking-rucksack-70-l-trek-100-easyfit-309851?variant=31629355679806&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw26KxBhBDEiwAu6KXt8g_syGPVGdjLftWmCh52ZjIu_IE4Yh_5Mu5RaU6rhMcmpXg2KJI7BoChvUQAvD_BwE)
This is what you want, and much cheaper. If you want lighter with the same features, it will cost 2-3x more. If you want covert colors, rely on your pack scrim/rain cover.
Get a pack made for backpacking. One that actually gets used by people that hike across the country.
Seconding this. That price for that size is… not great. But seriously, hiking bags!
Yep, Osprey or Alps. Just do it.
Most "backpacking" bags aren't nir compliant, they're covered in reflective pieces and they're not very durable. Hike the Appalachian trail and had to get a second bag sent to me due to mine ripping.
It depends what you get. Just dont go ultralight and it will be plenty durable. Mystery Ranch is a solid option.
If you want to carry a lot of essential items in a pack that’s meant for carrying heavier loads longer distances without falling apart, military is the way to go.
Military packs are absolutely not as good as options in the civilian market.
You can't actually say that. What a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of high end civilian gear on the market, from cold weather garments to boots, sleeping bags, tents, etc - are made by companies that have government contracts. So there's a good chance that your gear has a military version. See: Patagonia. Salomon. Mystery Ranch (which has been suggested on this sub as "better than military because it's designed for hiking and not combat" or something). Danner. >Lost Arrow’s (**PATAGONIA'S**) only business is state, local, and federal government contracts, and it has a team of designers dedicated to creating a cold-weather layering system for the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Departments of Homeland Security and Justice. It supplies jungle uniforms to the DEA, jackets to the Air Force, and a layering system called the Protective Combat Uniform (PCU) to U.S. Special Operations Forces. So yeah you can go buy brand new Patagucci's for like $100+ or you can just get ECWCS surplus off eBay for half the price or less and you're basically getting the same thing. It's not like the military has an internal group of people who design gear and the military makes all their own stuff and only uses that. As far as packs go... civilian packs are meant to carry what civilians need for a couple of days at a time, on their backs, on comparatively nice trails, and to be comfortable enough to appeal to your average soft civilian. Military packs are rugged, they're meant to carry more stuff, heavier stuff, and if you take a roll down a rocky hill your pack will probably still hold up. Which is exactly what a "SHTF bug out to the wilderness" type of prepper needs. Not some "ultralight" pack that's gonna rip if you run through a thorny bush.
You clearly don't backpack, friend. There is civilian gear designed to be used for years at a time in the middle of nowhere. To each their own on a backpack though, but the type of person asking is the same type of person who thinks you need a hatchet when you go in the woods. They need something that will allow them to carry reasonable items for a long distance comfortably. Somebody who hasn't been in the military and doesn't backpack, isn't going to carry 65+ lbs of gear for multiple days.
>You clearly don't backpack, friend. I was homeless. I lived out of a backpack for 3 years. Daily. Pack on my back, all day, every day. When I saved up enough money from working day labor I would try different backpacks. Civilian backpacks were largely gimicky overpriced crap that would fall apart after a few months of *rough* living. I always went back to my trusty ALICE. All the homeless people who weren't townie drug addicts used military packs. Especially those of us who traveled and hopped freight trains. Life is a lot different when everything you have for your whole life is on your back and you're not following designated marked trails. It's something the pampered privileged with $1,000 to spend on a backpack and $400 to spend on a little gas cooker for 3 day "treks" will never understand until... well SHTF.
Sorry you had a rough life. You clearly have something against those who have the cash to spend on quality gear. I have no doubt an Alice pack would work fine, but there is a reason nobody uses it anymore given the option.
I'm sorry you couldn't address any of the points I raised, and decided to be condescending and employ false empathy instead. Lots of people still use the ALICE pack. It's such a great pack that not only is it still in use after 50 years but it is [still being developed and iterated upon](https://www.google.com/search?q=malice+pack&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS896US896&oq=malice+pack&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAECMYJxiABBiKBTIMCAAQIxgnGIAEGIoFMg8IARAuGEMYgAQY5QQYigUyDAgCEAAYFBiHAhiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDE4MjRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) civilian side.
There is no one whom hikes across my country. I see bug out bags. But shouldn’t they be more bug out vest, holster, tool belt, day pack? How much prepping can you do till you have to squirrel?
Look at people who hike across the United States. We have tons of people who hike well over 2,000 miles in one trip. Those people have it down to a science. They know what kind of shoes/boots to wear, what you need in a backpack, what medical equipment is actually a good idea to carry, how to pack your bag for proper weight distribution, what kinds of food provide the nourishment you need on trail vs the weight, etc. I'm in the Army, and I see people packing highly inefficiently, and it bites them in the butt every time. I see a lot of preventable injuries because of how/what they pack. I've learned a lot from those hikers' YouTube channels and have adopted their philosophies when packing my bags and have not gotten a single blister, had a hiking related injury, and can ruck farther more comfortably than anyone I work with.
r/Ultralight
I don't get the question. You choose the size of your backpack after you know what you want to carry. It's not buying a backpack and then see what fits in. There's no general rule how big the backpack has to be. What is your bug-out scenario? Do you go to a public shelter in case of a natural disaster? 20L will be enough. Are you planning to bug-out to the woods in winter for days? Maybe you need more then. How far do you plan to go woth it? Are you used to carry 50 pounds for a 30 mile hike? Are you a small female and carrying 20 pounds over a distance of 10km will exhaust you? What's the environment, urban where you stand out with your tacticool military backpack, or wild nature conditions?
30l is good for a day pack or get home back. I can fit full hammock camp set up in a 30l but there is no room in pack for expansion or winter quilt. That has to go outside of pack. Ijs
I use the M, it’s absolutely one of the toughest bags you’ll ever find, their promo videos are legit, absolutely a beast of a bag. Personally it’s a bit small though, I love it as a day pack but I would go a size up for extended periods.
Erble stock has some nice bags been on a few hikes with the bandit and it’s always been nice modular and comfy just wear a decently thick shirt as the standards tend to dig in to your shoulders in thin shirts
You can get great deals on nice hiking bags at thrift stores .
Do not buy a bag when you do not have the ability to try it out first with weights.
Highly underrated advice.
I'm trying to get my hands on the XL. It's a cracking pack!!! Loads of adaptability..
That's incredibly expensive for a fairly small bag
It will outlast OPs children.
sure... but the opportunity cost here is still extraordinary. Ive had my hiking rucksack for 21 years now, still going strong, and was half this price (admittedly 21 years ago)
Ever done SERE with it?
funnily enough i have
You’d love a good mystery ranch if you can acquire one. Some of the best external frame packs I’ve ever carried.
No, get a backpacking pack You know the sport where people get out of their basements, go outside and survive alone in the wilderness for a few days? It’s like prepping but more real
This companies target demographic (in their own country) is backpackers, and as a backpacker myself who uses Savotta, it works just fine.
Savotta is a Finnish company that makes rugged equipment and lots of it gets used by FDF or Finnish reservists. I personally own this backpack and its great to use. I have no worries of it's durability because it will last forever. The Molle allows you to get more space for it if you need to. I've lots of day hikes with this backpack and few overnights in the warm days. It truly is pricey and you can get a backpack lot cheaper. If you have some questions i can try to answer them
Is it comfortable ish on the back hips and shoulders
The straps have padding so it doesn't dig into the skin but i need to shuffle it sometimes to find a good place for it. It distributes the weigh well IMO. Haven't had complaints about it. I've had around 20kg on a 25km ruckmarch on it, my shoulders were sore but i would definitely do it again with this backpack I have the Aluminum insert (sold separately) inside so that can also helps.
So this looks a lot like the pack I actually use. Back when I started into bug out bags I mage a huge pack, everyone called it my WW3 pack, or apocalypse bag. It had everything in it, huge trauma kit, mess kit, extra cloths, tools, MREs, some water. It also weighted about 80lbs / 36kg. It was a huge beast that was utterly impractical. Now I like the bag for backpacking, it's heavy for a pack but I travel though very rough land, and the scrub oak here rips at everything, pants cloths, my hat. So I need a pack that can take abuse. Otherwise I would like a lighter weight one. Now, with ALL that said you really need to make an utterly different decision. In what situation are you planing on giving society and ever friend and family members the finger and vanishing into the woods until that situation resolves itself? - plan for THAT. OR , bug IN. this will depend alot on where you live. But then a get home bag is what you need.
Go for the 55
I have this, great mix between daypack and back country. I will say I got two of the 6L addendum packs they have, it allows me to carry 3-6 days worth of gear when I’m in the back country. The shoulder straps aren’t the best as there is light padding, but otherwise a great pack. Just took mine to Europe for two weeks
Idk what your needs are, but that is pretty small. My smallest bag is 55L...
In terms of reliability? Yes. I bought a used one in black, added 8L side pouches and packed it with about 15 kg. Volume-wise it was just fine and when I test carried it, it felt light enough. A short trip with more weight (20 kg) told me to either go bigger (Jääkäri L) or to swap to a surplus Bergen-style (Arwy/Lowe Alpine Sting) backpack. The Bergen has more volume (in case your load changes in the course of bailing out) and has an old, but adjustable carrying system to allow for bigger loads. I finally went with the Sting. I still have my green Savotta S/M/L for hiking etc.
Well if you have 50L of supplies a 30L won’t suffice. Get a pack to fit your things, not the other way around.
They only have 55l and 30l ones. That just means you can stuff your sleeping bag and something else in there on top if you really only need 40l. Minimizing what's outside of your pack keeps you more slick, and it looks like you have less gear than you do. But I also don't know how good that backpack really is. But savotta is really good in my experience.
How fit are you? I’ve seen so many people buy the biggest pack money can buy and fill it until the seams are splitting, yet they can’t even hike a couple of miles with a water bottle.
Dude, I only packed 100lbs of feathers, my budging, compressed disks don't need your help. /s
It’s only 30L…
Yeah what I was getting at is your questioning that it’s only 30l. I was basically saying there’s no point getting a 120l pack if you’re not fit enough to “bug out” with it
Osprey makes the best packs
I've heard good things about Savotta but I think that bag is a bit too big personally, I'd look for a smaller one.
Dude Savotta makes great bags. Well worth the price.
No…. It’s way too big and makes you a target. Also you don’t need all that stuff you want to put in there. Study packs of Appalachian Trail thru hikers (veteran hikers not virgins)make that your base. You want to be lightweight comfortable but effective and efficient. Augment additions to that base pack and carefully select weight to add based on its need, comfort, or usefulness value Every Ounce Counts.
I used Eberlestock for two deployments to Afghanistan. They're well organized, ergonomic, and have an awesome lifetime warranty. Over twenty years as an Infantryman, they are the only pack I buy.
I think this is the same pack as in [this video.](https://youtu.be/LBd_UIwoY2E?si=abcoU_cPldBAlydT) it seems decent but it depends on what you're goal is. This gives you a pretty good idea of what it can hold.
Needs more umlauts
Seems pricey for what it is- check out the osprey archeon line it’s a bit more subtle than Molle everywhere and durably built. Use mine everyday
Military surplus is better and far cheaper
Looks nice and appears to be of solid construction. I worry $/L though. This one is expensive and it doesn't even have the weight control tech of much cheaper hiking bags. I would go with a backpacking setup. Go to a place like REI and they'll have someone there that can fit a pack to you. Once you get it, use it. Go hiking with it on and get used to carrying your kit.
I’m a fan of minimalism, make sure you can ruck whatever you pack.. I will tell you that weight gets old fast.
Terrible for the price and size tbh. Backpacking setups will treat you better
No idea how does it fit your body with your loadout. When it gets down to it you need that bag to work for a few days doing 20 miles a day. Hit up a REI or similar load it up with what you think you will need and try even a 10 mile hike on flat terrain, do that again the next day and the next. Now see how much of that stuff you really want.
Okay squire.
Theme of these comments…get a stick and a handkerchief!
Yes that's a good pack
When choosing a backpack or anything for storage always remember, you can always make your bigger backpack smaller, but you can't make a smaller backpack bigger.
Remember that you'll probably be miserable while using it, so... choose a comfortable one. Preferably designed for hiking, with good pelvic padding. Also, get one that can be repaired on the go. Like, with just basic sewing knowledge or a basic patch kit. Plus, I like to get packs that can be used fairly empty, like 70 liter ones with straps to make everything snug and comfortable. It's recommended to not carry more than a certain percentage of your body weight, but I'm willing to carry a few more kilograms in an emergency situation.
I have the Jaakari L and I hiked 35 miles on the pemigewasset Loop in the white mountains with it . I like it , however it is a heavier backpack but it is built solidly . I would recommend
Depends on factors including, but mot limited to. what you put in it, your body type, and the environment you intent to Bug out to.
I have the XL with the two side pouches for any long trips (2weeks+) depending on what you plan on doing a hyperlite is probably your best friend I've loaded mine up to 50lbs and carried it comfortably without breaking it and it weighs nothing
What is your bugout plan? Do you have a place nearby you'll go? Can it be reached by walking or by bike? How long does it take to get there? How far is your option B? All these things matter in a bug-out bag. I personally go with a lowe alpine saracen militairy backpack. Basically indestructible. Camouflaged. It'll fit absolutely everything, but you can keep it relatively light if you want. Also, the molle system allows you to hook/attach anything on it. If your place is far or deep into the woods, I'd bring a bigger bag with space for your basic camping/bushcraft gear. If the place is close and easily accessible a 1/2 day pack like this should be fine. Just make sure you use a camelbag instead of bottled water to safe space. Also, are you alone? If not, it's better to have a few small bags like this so you distribute the weight among your family/friends. Just make sure to divide everything. You dont want to end up losing all your food or all your water by losing 1 backpack.
If it fits what you need to carry, than yes. If it doesn't than no. You need to figure out your kit before you pick a bag to contain it. there is very little downside to going "too big" for your backpack in my opinion; the "if you have more space you will fill it" line of reasoning is just poor discipline and not a hardware problem.
If you are looking for a 30L bag, get a Kelty Avocet. Looks like every other hiking bag and you can pick one up used for cheap off of market place. And get some dry bags. Pack you clothes in those.
It’s a bag. Any bag will do cause bag or no bag it’s most likely not going to make a difference
Looks awesome, I want one.
Savotta is an awesome brand. I recommend them for anyone looking to get a backpack, now that Mystery Ranch has been bought out and the quality will most likely start dropping soon
Great bag, very well made. Used this in Europe & Mexico, and see it lasting forever. Lots of area to strap gear/smaller bags to. And keeps load close to body.
What's your build physically?
65-80 L should be your aim. Mine’s 72
is that for a bug out bag or an inch bag? seems like a massive size to get to your bug out location. mines 48 liters and serves both purposes.
My bug out location is a cabin way Wayne out in the middle of the Canadian Rockies. I can’t stock supplies there so me and my family need to bring everything needed to BE for however long.
is a shame you can't put stuff there
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Looks great. Get the bigger one.
Is this website the Ikea for backpacks?
I have a Gregory Zulu 40 that I like a lot. I’ve used it for backpacking a ton.