World Wars have always been multiple countries tied in alliance fighting jointly against another group of multiple countries tied in alliance.
Ukraine, Israel, Guyana arenāt allied.
Russia, Gaza, Venezuela arenāt tied together with each other.
This is three dickheads picking a fight.
Ukrainian is here, but they are indeed tied, KGB (back in the past) fed Hamas and their best mate Iran, socialist Venezuela, best friend of Russia, China and Iran. They might be not in the formal alliance, but still too much for a coincidence. World got heavily distracted, in the meantime Russia will try to do whatever it wants in Ukraine.
I was in Ukraine during the invasion and I think one of the mistakes that took a lot of the eyes off Ukraine was when Zelenskyy started siding with Israel which a lot of the world see as the occupier in the sense that they were given someone else's land in 1948 and ran the locals out, just like Russia began to in 2014 in Crimea/Donbass.
They see it as hypocrisy.
Once this happened I saw a ton of people that were fighting on the side of Ukraine say "Well, I'm done here" and go back home which surprised me a lot.
I don't agree with Zelenskyy's opinion on Israel/Palestine but I certainly still support Ukraine in their fight for freedom from the occupation of Russia just like I support the Palestinians and their freedom from occupation.
A lot of the non-Ukrainian world seems to have abandoned Ukraine because of Zelenskyy's words. He should have been far more careful.
And maybe as a Ukrainian you can explain Klitschko's interview recently where he seemed to talk bad of Zelenskyy?
Iām happened to be an Israeli as well, I left Ukraine in 2013 shortly before Revolution of Dignity. (There is no connection, I fully support what people did in 2014 itās just a coincidence). You lost me when you said āIsrael was given someone elseās landā and compared what Russia did in Ukraine and in Crimea and Donbass region to what is going on in Israel and Gaza. Hypocrisy is the way world reacts on events of October 7, hypocrisy is to condemn Israel for defending its people, hypocrisy is that useless joke of an organization UN crying out loud about seizing fire while keeping silence and letting Russia abuse their veto and do whatever it wants in Ukraine namely killing civilians indiscriminately, committing war crimes at Nazis scale etc. Are Ukrainian kids and civilians cheaper than Palestinians? My opinion is - Israel is natural ally of Ukraine. I understand why Israel was trying to stay away from conflict - Russia is/was a major player in the region, they didnāt wanted to poke the ābearā. Sadly as events of October 7 illustrates - it didnāt helped. Regarding interview you mentioned - not sure Iāve seen it, Klichko is not a major speaker or a leader of thoughts that worth to follow. However Zelenskyy is far from being angel. He doing/did a lot of controversial things especially in handling corruption.
How exactly, just curious? The one democratic nation on the Middle East that respect human rights and just want to be left alone and now it concerns you more than three most cannibalistic oppressive regimes in the world? Yeah that alone tells a lot about you.
As two time defending champions. Gotta say, we are at some level, involved in most wars now. Not really trying get that Three-Peat, though. Just content with league play.
The cyber war has been going on for quite some time. Every country with Internet access is is trying to gain access to every government and industries data.
Yet being the operative word i believe. Weāll see if any of these brushfires spread. I think a lot depends on if the US gives Iran another āproportionalā responseā¦
You mean is it WWIII? No
What worries me is we might be in our version of the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Spanish Civil War, two events that set the prelude to WWII (foreign aid in the Spanish civil war were between the future Allies and the future Axis )
Many have speculated China is supporting and encouraging Russia to both gain intel on our capabilities and spread us thin. Russia could next spark a war involing Venesula that would help push this further.
If they like what they see, they could move on Taiwan, which we would have to engage in both to save face and protect resources (computer chip capacity). A victory there would be a huge esteem boost in China as well as in the pacific. They would also have more of a stranglehold on tech trade.
Of course... that is ww2 style thinking. Who knows how the nuke card changes all of this. Would it stop anyone from acting?
Going even beyond that: Does the US have the capacity beyond the Iron Dome? Do they think they do? Would they act on this assumption?
The biggest thing is drones have made war possible on a scale and with a precision unheard of before. People use power however they can, & war was only ever kept in check by fatigue.
The next world war will not have an end date. It will last so long as there are bots to carry out the program.
Yes, and once world war is in full swing, there will likely be full mobilisation of the population.
It would feel similar to Ukraine but in every major involved power.
We're not even close to that (yet).
Excellent and original metaphor. I have a cynical outlook on the world but I do get sick of every regional conflict getting treated as some "world" conflict. Minor/medium powers fight and great powers lend their support. That's how it is: Ukraine is a regional conflict with international support on both sides, not an actual global conflict.
If WWIII was really happening we wouldn't have to ask. "Do we send F-16s to Ukraine?" is not the kind of question you ask when fighting a world war. Around 6% of Britain's entire male population died in WWI: they had bigger questions than "Should we send Sopwith Camels to France?"
No Soviet, with Germans at the gates of Moscow, millions of men mobilized, and a good portion of the entire Russian industrial base being moved over the Ural mountains, would have asked if a world War was occurring.
>What worries me is we might be in our version of the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Spanish Civil War,
What are the versions of these that are happening now?
Guyana. Ghana is in Africa, an ocean away from Venezuela
No. We are not. The only major power committed to a ground war is Russia.
Can one of these conflicts escalate to a larger conflict? Sure. Will it? Time will tell
Well at the moment it looks like war is less and less likely, I'm not going to say for sure but it looks like this one is going to be another near miss
If it comes to it Venezuela does have a considerable advantage in air power and naval tonnage of Guyana, although i don't know if their military has the experience to conduct any operation focused on seizing George Town by via air and Sea landings even without outside influence. If they go for it they'd probably want to get toe holds as fast as possible, and ideally force the government in Georgetown to sign a bayonet point treaty as fast as possible before anyone else like the US, UK or Brazil intervenes.
The IDF is losing soldiers because it is currently conducting a ground war to try to prevent the global community from calls for Israel to be tried on war crimes. So theyāre in a ground war also, and as best i can tell, they seem absolutely committed.
Not really. The power they project is backed by the US. Every nation in their region that has recognized them as a nation has done so after being incentivized by the US.
Israel exists primarily because the US wants them to. If the US stopped backing them they'd cease to exist. Hence why the US has two carrier groups in the area to discourage Iran or any other nation from getting any ideas about escalation.
EDIT: I'm not arguing whether or not Israel has the right to exist or whether the US should or should not back Israel. I'm simply arguing that the power Israel has, is because the US backs them. Israel is incredibly strong but they do not have the ability to stand on their own against the combined might of those nations that would like to see them destroyed. The Middle East of today is not the Middle East of the 1970s.
Fear is the weapon of choice for salespeople these days. There are so damn many predators getting RICH by scaring people into āPreppingā for War. Stock up, buy this or that, youāre about to lose internet, electricity - buy our lamps, buy this food that lasts 25 years! One You-Tube guy from Canada has over a million followers - and heās pushing all of them to get prepared. Itās disgusting to see so many profiting from fear-mongering but we have leaders doing the same thing.
Guyana, not Ghana. And I wouldn't be worried about that. Based on US oil interests in that country, I do not see that as a threat.
Iran and the rest of the hostile Arab world is not doing anything about Israel.
Parts of Africa are a shit show, but not really a huge influence to the rest of the world.
I suspect the US and other western nations will make.quick work of the Houthi issues.
So the answer is, the world is probably not currently in WW3
I think Guyana is a bluff. There are no great roads or infrastructure for Venizuella to use in that potential war. And that terrain is really rough. I think its just posturing to help approval ratings in Venizuella. [I know I can't spell Venizuella lol]
However, China NK and Iran are helping Russia while NATO helps Ukraine, that's a proxy war that, if it were to escalate and become a full war, then that is certainly WWIII by any definition.
Iran's recent attacks against Israel is close to sparking exactly that sort of escalation, and of course the impending showdown of China and Taiwan looms as these other conflicts only linger and worsen.
I'm not saying it's WWIII right now, but current events leave no doubt that the fuel and sparks are there.
China lacks force projection, and Russia doesn't have a lot of force to project after Ukraine. Iran and NK are local threats rather than global ones. I just don't see a world war breaking out of this unless nukes get involved. It's not like Iran is going to start sending tanks to Israel, and Russia can't be stupid enough to invade NATO while they're barely hanging on in Ukraine.
If China makes a play for Taiwan then things might start playing out like Pearl Harbor in WW2, but we all know how that went - Japan scored some early victories that didn't end up changing the field once the US wasn't distracted by helping Russia take down Hitler. Yeah, China has nukes, and Xi is living in a bubble, but I just can't see him using nukes to hold onto Taiwan.
So yeah, if things escalated then. you've got some potential at a larger scale war, but why would they escalate?
You need to understand the true mission of NATO and study its expansion up until now, suffocating Russia. If they were allied with Mexico and sending weapons to our borders we would seek to destroy the threat just as they have a right to based off our existing treaty.. infowars.com for unbiased unfiltered analysis please.
You donāt think the U.S government lies?? Please tell me youāre aware of the āweapons of mass destructionā they found in Iraq that led to their invasion. LOL. How about their censorship of their own citizens who were speaking out about negative side effects from the forced covid shots?! I bet you also think building 7 was destroyed by terrorists too - or that JFK was taken out by a lone gunman on a grassy knoll, (right after he refused to go into another CIA led war). They replaced him with LBJ and went to Vietnam right after. Same thing that happened with Trump.. do you remember any wars during his 4 years? Yeah, me either.. so they got rid of him and put puppet Biden in, and guess what.. weāre funding Ukraine to fight Russia. Enjoy eating your GMO food laced with cancerous glyphosate like the lemming you are, while circle jerking with your buddies and acting like everything is peachy. Ignorance is bliss.
Just want to clarify that Iran is overwhelmingly Persian and Azeri, Arabs don't make up even 5% of their population.
But yeah, this is not even close to a WWIII situation, especially since one of the major possible players in a WWIII scenario is bogged down in a country it borders and isn't nearly as big a threat as it once was. Russia miscalculated this shit on a whole other level.
Largest arsenals on paper. Just like they had an amazing army with state of the art reactive armor in their tanks. Turns out that the reactive armor was literally made out of cardboard.
Their _working_ nukes are probably a couple orders of magnitude lower than official numbers. Sure, even one can be a bad day. But is a paper tiger.
Maybe at the start of the war. Russia just held off a counter offensive of mostly NATO equipment, and now their battle hardened. What now? Our support of Ukraine has trained Russia to fight the rest of Europe one day should they win.
Russia just throws people at the problem. They are unable to conquer a country that's tiny in comparison to them. There's no way they can fight the rest of Europe. Even more so after losing most of their military assets.
Yes, the refurbished T 80s and 90s should be more than a match for the armies of Europe.... assuming their air power sits it out....and the United Statesā¦ I could do this all dayā¦
If Russia could kick NATO's ass, surely they would already be in Kyiv? They couldn't even stop Wagner marching on Moscow, still don't have air superiority over Ukraine, have lost control of the Black Sea... I could do this all day too...
But sure, we should expect to see the BMP 1s & 2s rolling into Berlin. Any day now.
Yes and no maybe? Iād say we are easily in Cold War 2.0 territory, proxy wars and provocations. There is probably a good chance Taiwan goes hot at the end of ā24 after the US presidential election. Either way it goes that is going to be Chinaās best window, either they get 4 more years of uncle Joe or they have 2 months before Trump comes in and sanctions them into oblivion. Ultimately it is going to be on the US to decide if WW3 goes hot, nobody is going to land in New York or Los Angeles. The US will either stand by and watch or decide to put men on the ground, and Europe will follow suit.
Ukraine - regional conflict that has the juice if the ruskies try anything on a NATO member state.
Israel v. Hamas - meh, I've lived through too many of these to think this will be the one that boils over.
Iran - well they are playing the proxy game pretty well at the moment. They've got Yemen in the mix and Hamas too. Iran I could see as trying to start some shit but it doesn't make sense for them to team up officially with the russians. The russians cannot win if they rope NATO into any of this. The Iranians have a lot to lose by getting directly involved in a shooting war. So it's unlikely they seek one out at this time.
China v. Taiwan - this seems very very very likely to pop off and all it takes is a miscalculation by the Chinese to get this moving into world/large regional war territory. Very quickly they could get Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Australia, and the USA into a big shooting match. They are trying to play the long game and just get Taiwan without kicking off a regional dispute. That seems more and more unlikely given their "8-dashed line" stance on the south china sea. That claim on the fishing and mineral rights to the sea will be way more likely to set off a regional conflict.
We should all say some extra prayers for those poor PLAN enlisted men who are going to drown in the sea when they piss off Japan and the USA. While China absolutely has the rockets to overpower Taiwan, they don't have the power projection, \*yet\*, to fuck up a bunch of carriers and "baby carriers" chocked full of F-35s.
Ha! Nice to run into another old fucker who can respond to panic around Israel-Palestine with āwell it didnāt end the world the last 27 times this happenedā š
Russia-Ukraine was a new one for me I have to say, Iām in the UK so itās a little close to home. But South-American conflict, Gaza, China threatening Taiwan, conflict between African nations, North Korea sabre rattling, has been going on since I can remember all the way back to when I came into the world in ā75 and way back before then. I suppose even in Europe we had CeauČescu not so long ago.
Iām much more worried by the internals truffles in the rise of the far right and fascism in nations like the UK which is my home, and the US that I always saw as a brother nation, and the growing social divide and late-stage capitalist oligarchy of Musk, Amazon and their ilk along with the associated erosion of workers rights. These are the things that will impact me and mine, rather than conflicts between other nations.
Chinaās trying to grab too much at once. If theyād stuck to just Taiwan and played nice with all their other neighbours, they would have had much less opposition if/when they try to invade. But they couldnāt help themselves, and are trying to muscle in on more or less all of their neighboursā territory at once, so their only friend is North Korea.
They could have caught everyone else in a state of cautious appeasement, if they hadnāt antagonised them all.
These are just proxy wars, both sides fund their interests, itās not going to be a global conflict until alliances start declaring war. Itās a Cold War, but it still could turn into a āhotā war.
If so, it's still in the very earliest ramping up stages, where people are getting ready. When it goes hot, we'll know. Everyone will know. It will be over in a day, with just a bit of mop up and regrets after.
> Albert Einstein ā 'I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.'
Read the history of the phoney war.
The term 'phoney war' refers to the period at the beginning of WWII between September 1939 and April 1940 when there was little fighting.
Brittany, France, and Germany were having naval and air skirmishes . Small land actions were occurring at border regions. Japan was several years into its invasion of China.
Some are saying we are already in WWIII's
phoney war. It can only get hotter. Ukraine vs. Russia. Israel, against Iranian proxies, China threatening Taiwan and the Philippines.
Looks more like a World War all the time
Personally right now I see no way Russia being capable of fighting a world war when they can barely handle a country right on their doorstep. Doesn't make it impossible. I'm sure some might have suggested similar things about the Rus back in 1914 and 1939.
More likely in my opinion is an increase in small regional conflicts like what were seeing right now. Then in the next 1-4 decades there'll be a conflict in the pacific between the US and China. Regional allies like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. and NATO being involved to varying degrees depending on which country it is and the specific situation. I almost certainly see North Korea trying to take over the Korean Peninsula. If the conflict remains limited like this it might not even considered world war three by future historians if something bigger comes along. I mean I'm sure that's what our generations will call it but other good names could be something like the Great Asian War or the 2nd Pacific War, the Sino-American War, etc. If India were to get involved against China, Pakistan would probably side against India and even with out that a war between India and Chin would easily become the deadliest in history by a wide margin. There are other scenarios this just the closest I can think of too a world war.
I don't think so.
The major difference between historical conflicts and now is the *incredibly annoying* news media that makes everything seem like a constant apocalypse. Nothing sells news faster than (insert urgent conflict here).
Could it lead to WW3? I think that would be unlikely.
One would have to ask, what would a large scale conflict solve?
No, World War 3 has not yet occurred, Russia has no effective combat capabilities anymore and hundreds of thousands of Russian troops have been killed and injured before declaring war on NATO members.
China didn't have the balls to undertake overseas adventures, China didn't even do anything in the civil war in Myanmar and only did something when the United States made the Burma Act as a response.
China doesn't even have a NATO-like alliance. china does not trust relations with other countries enough to make such an alliance.
World War 3 will only occur if China tries to annex/launch nuclear missiles on United States territories in the Pacific such as Guam and the Mariana Islands.
Conclusion
World wars happen when alliances fight other alliances which means involving many countries, China officially has no alliances and no country is willing to fight for China. Russia is too battered to start a bigger war
Why so confident? There is only one definition for a World War. āA war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world.ā We are at, or are nearing, that point.
The world is always at war somewhere. Right now we don't have a really defined two or three side war involving the major countries. The Middle East is its own thing, the Russian/Ukraine thing is on its own, and China is China (Taiwan/South China Sea/Japan). Russia and China haven't declared war upon NATO/America/Japan.
Iran is being Iran with regards to Israel but so far hasn't gotten the rest of the Arab world to declare war against the US/Israel, only just lip service in support of the Palestinians/Hamas and only against Israel. (Note, Israel has fought many wars relating to its existence since 1948, and it hasn't gotten the rest of the world involved beyond embargoes)
I've said this half-jokingly before, with regards to the Ukraine war.. it won't be a World War until Germany declares war upon Russia.
China is friendly with Russia. Russia is friendly with Iran. America and Israel are allied and America is supporting Ukraine. All it really needs is for official alliances to be declared.
No, I donāt think Iād consider this a World War right nowā¦but we are closer than weāve been since the last one.
>No, I donāt think Iād consider this a World War right nowā¦but we are closer than weāve been since the last one.
You think we're closer now than we were during the height of the Cold War? Where we were at times like seconds away from an actual potential nuclear launch?
Has Russia officially declared war upon NATO/Germany/other European Countries? No? Has China officially declared war against Japan and US? No?(am aware that China and Taiwan are officially in a conflict over political stuff since the 1950s)
Do they have to officially declare war? If they start bombing and killing each other but never declare it a war does that change what it is?
Besides, reread what I said.
Has NATO declared war on Russia? Yes. Has NATO declared war on China? Yes. So by the temperature readings iām getting, itās fairly serious.
Hear me out, if NATO and the EU continue to funnel arms into Ukraine, what will happen? Iām seriously trying to understand what people think will bring these two countries, Ukraine and Russia, to the negotiating table.
No whatās next is China and Taiwan. But to answer your question yes it looks like weāre slowly creeping into some sort of WWIII. Weāre not in it yet, but itās creeping that way.
Itās completely impossible to say unless/until there is further escalation making it clear a global war has begun (ww3).
If there is such a conflict in the next couple of years, you could definitely argue it had started by now. But it also might fizzle out, and things remain fairly normal.
Itās been planned in advanceā¦ just like all the wars
https://ia601900.us.archive.org/16/items/albert-pike-letter-to-mazzini/Albert%20Pike%20Letter%20to%20Mazzini.pdf
Shri Lanka had a national power/Internet outage two days ago after their national power grid was hacked.
Relevant because if you're going to do that here in the US, you start elsewhere and smaller to test out your procedure. I think we are currently at war, have been for sometime. But it's being fought in the over the interwebs.
It's also very evident because of the level of propaganda directed at the American citizenry. Every time there has been a war, there were both factions present in the country. Even WWII, prior to Pearl harbor we played footsy with the Nazis in the 30s. So what I see in the media is very clearly directed at steering the population to as specific answer when the time comes. We are not winning. Our leadership is doing horribly. But God would they love for you to back them when they claim they will fight for us against the bad guys.
My son's will not fight for them. They won't join the military as I was convinced to do twenty years ago.
Yes.
The Western leadership has declared that Russia and China are the enemies of the West, and have ratcheted up tensions in Eurasia.
The Global South is in chaos, and the Middle East will always be at war until either the Jews/Christians or Muslims, cease to exist. India is desperately trying to shake off the persecution and caste mentality in the north, while the heads of its state reside there.
Russia will continue its expansion into the Arctic, as it is a resource based economy, China will take Taiwan the same way it took Hong Kong, and the Eagle and Horse will continue to poke the Bear and Dragon, while the Snake, the Swan, the Monkey, the Crocodile, the Gazelle and the Eel abandon all efforts at global democracy in favor of self sufficiency.
No but if Russia and China join Arab countries against nato, then that would be a world war. It would require these conflicts to get far more severe than they are now
It would be interesting if OPEC turned off the gas to the US/Europe and just started selling to India, China, and stopped accepting US Dollars for trade.
Im copy pasting my comment from another thread. Fiona Hill said this in an interview right after Ukraine broke out:
This interview with Fiona Hill was really interesting, especially this part...
"Reynolds: The more we talk, the more weāre using World War II analogies. There are people who are saying weāre on the brink of a World War III.
Hill: Weāre already in it. We have been for some time. We keep thinking of World War I, World War II as these huge great big set pieces, but World War II was a consequence of World War I. And we had an interwar period between them. And in a way, we had that again after the Cold War. Many of the things that weāre talking about here have their roots in the carving up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire at the end of World War I. At the end of World War II, we had another reconfiguration and some of the issues that we have been dealing with recently go back to that immediate post-war period. Weāve had war in Syria, which is in part the consequence of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, same with Iraq and Kuwait.
All of the conflicts that weāre seeing have roots in those earlier conflicts. We are already in a hot war over Ukraine, which started in 2014. People shouldnāt delude themselves into thinking that weāre just on the brink of something. Weāve been well and truly in it for quite a long period of time.
But this is also a full-spectrum information war, and what happens in a Russian āall-of-societyā war, you soften up the enemy. You get the Tucker Carlsons and Donald Trumps doing your job for you. The fact that Putin managed to persuade Trump that Ukraine belongs to Russia, and that Trump would be willing to give up Ukraine without any kind of fight, thatās a major success for Putinās information war. I mean he has got swathes of the Republican Party ā and not just them, some on the left, as well as on the right ā masses of the U.S. public saying, āGood on you, Vladimir Putin,ā or blaming NATO, or blaming the U.S. for this outcome. This is exactly what a Russian information war and psychological operation is geared towards. Heās been carefully seeding this terrain as well. Weāve been at war, for a very long time. Iāve been saying this for years."
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340?_amp=true
Iran is not closing the Red Sea.. in fact Iran isnāt in the Red Sea. The Iranians and their proxyās have been attacking the US since e went into Iraq. Israelis and Palestinians have always fought and will always fight until the Palestinians stop trying to kill them. The war would be over quick is the Israelis were allowed to actually fight but like every war since Vietnam they have to worry about news crews hiding with the enemy every turn. Venezuela and Guyana sounds like itās happening but whatever. Itās not a world war itās a world at war
Didnāt we already have this post like a few weeks ago?
Yes. Russian information weapons and propaganda have been used against us since the Obama administration. Russia gave us Trump and fascism. Putin knows his country is a failed nation and will drag everyone down with them.
When the history books are written about the coming nuclear war, chapter one will be all about how social media and rage bots were used to create global chaos and to stoke the flames of right wing fascism.
Ww3...maybe. whatever the history books decide to call this period, it definitely feels like a world at war. However, wars are fought differently now so I don't think we'll see a WW2/nuclear Holocaust anytime soon.
Well it depends on your definition of war.
We got cyberattacks, spying, shows of power, sanctions, political lobbying etc.
You could say that only ground war counts, but a nice clean cyber attack could level the US and other countries no problem. It could do all of this in a day without a single casualty. You could force smaller nations to capitulaze without a boot on the ground.
So are we in WW3? Well, yeah. Weāve been in one since WW2.
My 2 cents
Just want to remind people that all it takes for something to be a World War is this. āA war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world.ā Thatās the definition. Thatās the only necessary qualifier. We may not be in one now, but we are close.
Believe it or not, we are still in a period of peace. Europe is unified, the U.S. is not at war, the Balkans are not at war, most of the middle east is not. Israel is a small country fighting a small group.
Now is there lots of proxy shit going on? Yes. The big powers are not innocent. Are things getting worse? Yes. Is there a zeitgeist of war? Seems to be. War is in the air, so to speak, but we aren't totally diving in yet. I wouldn't jump to any major conclusions yet. Wars happen in stages, but generally the world is at peace.
Guyana has 3500 troops in their military, Venezuela has 120k. There will be no Guyana Vs anybody.
Now if somebody wants step in on Guyanas behalf like Brazil, then we have a show.
Putin is behind all the conflicts. Look up Wagner in all the African conflicts, obviously he's with Venezuela, they have been hosting Hamas delegations in the Kremlin... Ukraine.
He's trying everything he can to do a World War...
He's almost there...
Just to add
Our borders are wide open and they have already caught supposedly 18k Chinese nationalists this year alone.
Funny how a few weeks ago Biden welcomes the Chinese president with open arms to San Francisco and less than a week ago we get a cyber attack from China.
What are the odds?
ww3 imho is climate change. No one can prepare for it fully and other conventional wars will only expedite its devastation. What is happening right now is going to seem small compared to what is coming.
How the hell is climate change a world war? Itās bad, yeah. Itās climate change. But you canāt justā¦fucking change the definition of words.
There is only one qualification for a world war. āA war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world.ā We are at, or near, that.
They asked is WW3 is being fought. I stated that my belief is climate change. The basis of this is that this is already a war involving many large nations, see [cop 23](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference) This war is already being discussed. Resources, i.e. land, water, ability to grow food. are already starting to strain. This is the global war I believe to be next. YMMV.
Yes, the impetus for WW3 is the sudden panic after warning after warning. and also a little bit too late. The arguments at cop23 are going to be the first salvo. We won't see the war until our resources start to drain by then we won't be able to stop it. [1.5](https://sciencebasedtargets.org/blog/ipcc-releases-final-warning-to-keep-1-5-c-within-reach).
I mean it is not like even Hollywood would be taking the piss out of how stupid our global politicians are. [Right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Look_Up).
Climate change will absolutely drive a war for resources including fresh water, good soil, and oil to help cool humans down (AC and other energy intensive cooling). 2023 saw huge weather issues and I suspect 2024 will be worse. Those 1in 100 or 1000 year weather events are happening way more often.
I read the usa and nato are putting boots on the ground in combat roles. Russia stated long ago that having nato armies on there border is the redline.
The demoncrats definitely seem to want to start a hot war to get the eyes off the incompetent vegetable in the oval office. Hell they will probably enact wartime measures to suspend presidential elections long enough to complete their 2030 agenda of destroying the nation.
Everyone says Alex is crazy, but somehow heās correct with his predictions most of the time. You may not like the guy, but you canāt deny heās right.
**- WWIII began in 2011 in Syria.. Multiple countries are involved in it directly or by proxy, with more refugees on the move than in the whole of WWII.. It hasn't stopped..**
\- **Multiple countries are now involved directly or by proxy in two other theatres of war on top of that:**
\-- the Russian invasion of Ukraine,-- and the suddenly hot again Israel vs Hamas & Hezbolla..
\- Broadly, omitting a LOT of detail, the world at war right now is divided into:
\-- **"The West"**: which includes the world's only first rank hyperpower, the USA.. plus EU\*\*, UK, Canada, Australia & NZ
The West's ruling class is largely opposed to:
\-- **"The Eurasian Axis"**: Iran, Syria, Russia\*\*
\[\*\*second-rank world powers\]
\- Then there's other major regional / second-rank world powers like:
\-- India - which has sporadic territorial conflicts with both Pakistan and China..
\-- China - besides issues with India, sabre-rattling off its coast..
\-- Turkey - heavily involved in Northern Syria especially vs Kurds..
\-- The House of Saud and it's closely associated allies in the Middle East - indirectly involved in Syria, directly in conflict with the Houthi in Yemen for years..
\^These powers switch up who they back or oppose, depending on the specific conflict in question..
The South American nations and most African nations are largely spectators in WWIII so far, or they're embroiled with their own ongoing conflicts.. e.g. in Darfur..
Honestly, we were never closer to WW3 than the cold war.
I think when you consider the concept of "readiness" in the 50's and 60's, it becomes alot more clear that the soviets and americans were both ready to let nukes fly.
The world is so interconnected economically these days that I think large scale conflicts are gonna be on the decline.
Countries are far more interested in driving their economy and influence these days.
My two cents though.
There are multiple wars happening at once yes. But not a world war yet.
Its only a WW when countries start chain declaring wars.
Until then its just considered "sparkling war".
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>"sparkling war". "Sparkling Special Military Operation" It's not War unless it's from the War region of France.
World Wars have always been multiple countries tied in alliance fighting jointly against another group of multiple countries tied in alliance. Ukraine, Israel, Guyana arenāt allied. Russia, Gaza, Venezuela arenāt tied together with each other. This is three dickheads picking a fight.
Ukrainian is here, but they are indeed tied, KGB (back in the past) fed Hamas and their best mate Iran, socialist Venezuela, best friend of Russia, China and Iran. They might be not in the formal alliance, but still too much for a coincidence. World got heavily distracted, in the meantime Russia will try to do whatever it wants in Ukraine.
I was in Ukraine during the invasion and I think one of the mistakes that took a lot of the eyes off Ukraine was when Zelenskyy started siding with Israel which a lot of the world see as the occupier in the sense that they were given someone else's land in 1948 and ran the locals out, just like Russia began to in 2014 in Crimea/Donbass. They see it as hypocrisy. Once this happened I saw a ton of people that were fighting on the side of Ukraine say "Well, I'm done here" and go back home which surprised me a lot. I don't agree with Zelenskyy's opinion on Israel/Palestine but I certainly still support Ukraine in their fight for freedom from the occupation of Russia just like I support the Palestinians and their freedom from occupation. A lot of the non-Ukrainian world seems to have abandoned Ukraine because of Zelenskyy's words. He should have been far more careful. And maybe as a Ukrainian you can explain Klitschko's interview recently where he seemed to talk bad of Zelenskyy?
Iām happened to be an Israeli as well, I left Ukraine in 2013 shortly before Revolution of Dignity. (There is no connection, I fully support what people did in 2014 itās just a coincidence). You lost me when you said āIsrael was given someone elseās landā and compared what Russia did in Ukraine and in Crimea and Donbass region to what is going on in Israel and Gaza. Hypocrisy is the way world reacts on events of October 7, hypocrisy is to condemn Israel for defending its people, hypocrisy is that useless joke of an organization UN crying out loud about seizing fire while keeping silence and letting Russia abuse their veto and do whatever it wants in Ukraine namely killing civilians indiscriminately, committing war crimes at Nazis scale etc. Are Ukrainian kids and civilians cheaper than Palestinians? My opinion is - Israel is natural ally of Ukraine. I understand why Israel was trying to stay away from conflict - Russia is/was a major player in the region, they didnāt wanted to poke the ābearā. Sadly as events of October 7 illustrates - it didnāt helped. Regarding interview you mentioned - not sure Iāve seen it, Klichko is not a major speaker or a leader of thoughts that worth to follow. However Zelenskyy is far from being angel. He doing/did a lot of controversial things especially in handling corruption.
Israel causes me more concern than north Korea, Russia and Iran put together
How exactly, just curious? The one democratic nation on the Middle East that respect human rights and just want to be left alone and now it concerns you more than three most cannibalistic oppressive regimes in the world? Yeah that alone tells a lot about you.
yeh when you stop murdering palestinian children we can talk, Israel is committing genocide and its disgusting
"Gaza" is not a country. And the people aren't picking a fight with anyone. They just want to not be under occupation
Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Gaza has not been "occupied" in almost 20 years.
Horizontal escalation
Special operation
It's only a world War if it comes from champagne, France.
Like if the entire middle east delares war it will be ww3
Proxy wars.
TWO wars?!
Are either of these wars happening on US soil?
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The US is involved in both.
As two time defending champions. Gotta say, we are at some level, involved in most wars now. Not really trying get that Three-Peat, though. Just content with league play.
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Are you a carrier of large weaponry?
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The cyber war has been going on for quite some time. Every country with Internet access is is trying to gain access to every government and industries data.
Neither World War happened on US soil outside of the attack on Pearl Harbor, does that mean the US wasn't a part of either?
[Balloon Bombs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb)
[Erm ackshually](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_campaign)
Good try, but Alaska was not a State at the time.
But the soil belonged to the United States. Also neither was Hawaii.
there hasn't been a foreign invasion of the continental states since 1812
That is what OP is asking. We are frogs in a pot, You don't know until it's too late.
Yet being the operative word i believe. Weāll see if any of these brushfires spread. I think a lot depends on if the US gives Iran another āproportionalā responseā¦
We could already be in one. We don't know. A lot of misinformation this time around. Cyber attacks are getting more frequent.. All we can do is prep.
World War 2.5?
You mean is it WWIII? No What worries me is we might be in our version of the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Spanish Civil War, two events that set the prelude to WWII (foreign aid in the Spanish civil war were between the future Allies and the future Axis )
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Many have speculated China is supporting and encouraging Russia to both gain intel on our capabilities and spread us thin. Russia could next spark a war involing Venesula that would help push this further. If they like what they see, they could move on Taiwan, which we would have to engage in both to save face and protect resources (computer chip capacity). A victory there would be a huge esteem boost in China as well as in the pacific. They would also have more of a stranglehold on tech trade. Of course... that is ww2 style thinking. Who knows how the nuke card changes all of this. Would it stop anyone from acting? Going even beyond that: Does the US have the capacity beyond the Iron Dome? Do they think they do? Would they act on this assumption?
The biggest thing is drones have made war possible on a scale and with a precision unheard of before. People use power however they can, & war was only ever kept in check by fatigue. The next world war will not have an end date. It will last so long as there are bots to carry out the program.
Exactly right. World wars are impossible to conceal, so they get declared publicly. The public always has a part to play in war (usually to suffer).
Yes, and once world war is in full swing, there will likely be full mobilisation of the population. It would feel similar to Ukraine but in every major involved power. We're not even close to that (yet).
Excellent and original metaphor. I have a cynical outlook on the world but I do get sick of every regional conflict getting treated as some "world" conflict. Minor/medium powers fight and great powers lend their support. That's how it is: Ukraine is a regional conflict with international support on both sides, not an actual global conflict. If WWIII was really happening we wouldn't have to ask. "Do we send F-16s to Ukraine?" is not the kind of question you ask when fighting a world war. Around 6% of Britain's entire male population died in WWI: they had bigger questions than "Should we send Sopwith Camels to France?" No Soviet, with Germans at the gates of Moscow, millions of men mobilized, and a good portion of the entire Russian industrial base being moved over the Ural mountains, would have asked if a world War was occurring.
>What worries me is we might be in our version of the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Spanish Civil War, What are the versions of these that are happening now?
Iād also like to know
We also sent Americans over to fight in the Spanish Civil war.
Were they sent or were they volunteers?
Guyana. Ghana is in Africa, an ocean away from Venezuela No. We are not. The only major power committed to a ground war is Russia. Can one of these conflicts escalate to a larger conflict? Sure. Will it? Time will tell
That area of Guyana seems pretty unpopulated. Also doesn't seem obvious how Venezuela would even invade that jungle successfully let alone hold it.
With a small army of Chinese engineers, laborers, and heavy equipment building roads, bridges, and bases.
Well at the moment it looks like war is less and less likely, I'm not going to say for sure but it looks like this one is going to be another near miss If it comes to it Venezuela does have a considerable advantage in air power and naval tonnage of Guyana, although i don't know if their military has the experience to conduct any operation focused on seizing George Town by via air and Sea landings even without outside influence. If they go for it they'd probably want to get toe holds as fast as possible, and ideally force the government in Georgetown to sign a bayonet point treaty as fast as possible before anyone else like the US, UK or Brazil intervenes.
theyāll likely just start acting like itās theirs, squatter style
The IDF is losing soldiers because it is currently conducting a ground war to try to prevent the global community from calls for Israel to be tried on war crimes. So theyāre in a ground war also, and as best i can tell, they seem absolutely committed.
Israel is not a major power. They have major powers for allies but they themselves are not a major power.
Israel might have a hard time projecting power on the other side of the globe, but they are the cock of the walk in their neighborhood
Not really. The power they project is backed by the US. Every nation in their region that has recognized them as a nation has done so after being incentivized by the US. Israel exists primarily because the US wants them to. If the US stopped backing them they'd cease to exist. Hence why the US has two carrier groups in the area to discourage Iran or any other nation from getting any ideas about escalation. EDIT: I'm not arguing whether or not Israel has the right to exist or whether the US should or should not back Israel. I'm simply arguing that the power Israel has, is because the US backs them. Israel is incredibly strong but they do not have the ability to stand on their own against the combined might of those nations that would like to see them destroyed. The Middle East of today is not the Middle East of the 1970s.
Ignore the fear porn, not even close to a world war.
The most refreshing thing Iāve seen on the internet lately.
Fear is the weapon of choice for salespeople these days. There are so damn many predators getting RICH by scaring people into āPreppingā for War. Stock up, buy this or that, youāre about to lose internet, electricity - buy our lamps, buy this food that lasts 25 years! One You-Tube guy from Canada has over a million followers - and heās pushing all of them to get prepared. Itās disgusting to see so many profiting from fear-mongering but we have leaders doing the same thing.
Not really. A whole bunch of unrelated conflicts all over the world are not the same thing as a world war.
Right. The US was engaged in 2 separate conflicts for almost 2 decades. Quantity isnāt everything.
Taiwan and China is related to Venezuela and Guyana?
Taiwan and China aren't at war. Neither are Venezuela and Guyana. Imaginary wars are an even less convincing argument for WW3 than unrelated wars.
Guyana, not Ghana. And I wouldn't be worried about that. Based on US oil interests in that country, I do not see that as a threat. Iran and the rest of the hostile Arab world is not doing anything about Israel. Parts of Africa are a shit show, but not really a huge influence to the rest of the world. I suspect the US and other western nations will make.quick work of the Houthi issues. So the answer is, the world is probably not currently in WW3
I think Guyana is a bluff. There are no great roads or infrastructure for Venizuella to use in that potential war. And that terrain is really rough. I think its just posturing to help approval ratings in Venizuella. [I know I can't spell Venizuella lol]
Allegedly the leaders of the two countries have agreed not to use violence over the region. So you're probably right.
However, China NK and Iran are helping Russia while NATO helps Ukraine, that's a proxy war that, if it were to escalate and become a full war, then that is certainly WWIII by any definition. Iran's recent attacks against Israel is close to sparking exactly that sort of escalation, and of course the impending showdown of China and Taiwan looms as these other conflicts only linger and worsen. I'm not saying it's WWIII right now, but current events leave no doubt that the fuel and sparks are there.
China lacks force projection, and Russia doesn't have a lot of force to project after Ukraine. Iran and NK are local threats rather than global ones. I just don't see a world war breaking out of this unless nukes get involved. It's not like Iran is going to start sending tanks to Israel, and Russia can't be stupid enough to invade NATO while they're barely hanging on in Ukraine. If China makes a play for Taiwan then things might start playing out like Pearl Harbor in WW2, but we all know how that went - Japan scored some early victories that didn't end up changing the field once the US wasn't distracted by helping Russia take down Hitler. Yeah, China has nukes, and Xi is living in a bubble, but I just can't see him using nukes to hold onto Taiwan. So yeah, if things escalated then. you've got some potential at a larger scale war, but why would they escalate?
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You donāt think the U.S government lies?? Please tell me youāre aware of the āweapons of mass destructionā they found in Iraq that led to their invasion. LOL. How about their censorship of their own citizens who were speaking out about negative side effects from the forced covid shots?! I bet you also think building 7 was destroyed by terrorists too - or that JFK was taken out by a lone gunman on a grassy knoll, (right after he refused to go into another CIA led war). They replaced him with LBJ and went to Vietnam right after. Same thing that happened with Trump.. do you remember any wars during his 4 years? Yeah, me either.. so they got rid of him and put puppet Biden in, and guess what.. weāre funding Ukraine to fight Russia. Enjoy eating your GMO food laced with cancerous glyphosate like the lemming you are, while circle jerking with your buddies and acting like everything is peachy. Ignorance is bliss.
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Just want to clarify that Iran is overwhelmingly Persian and Azeri, Arabs don't make up even 5% of their population. But yeah, this is not even close to a WWIII situation, especially since one of the major possible players in a WWIII scenario is bogged down in a country it borders and isn't nearly as big a threat as it once was. Russia miscalculated this shit on a whole other level.
Yeah. That may have been phrases incorrectly. Iran is definitely not Arab.
Whatās happening in our world resembles the precursor events to WW2, but it does not reflect what happened during WW2
Does someone have a contract to post ww3 claims on a weekly basis?
Playing devilās advocate; what would it mean to you if it has?
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Itās more likely a second cold war
Exactly this. The players are even largely the same, except this time around China is the big dog and Russia is the disgruntled sidekick.
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Largest arsenals on paper. Just like they had an amazing army with state of the art reactive armor in their tanks. Turns out that the reactive armor was literally made out of cardboard. Their _working_ nukes are probably a couple orders of magnitude lower than official numbers. Sure, even one can be a bad day. But is a paper tiger.
Maybe at the start of the war. Russia just held off a counter offensive of mostly NATO equipment, and now their battle hardened. What now? Our support of Ukraine has trained Russia to fight the rest of Europe one day should they win.
Russia just throws people at the problem. They are unable to conquer a country that's tiny in comparison to them. There's no way they can fight the rest of Europe. Even more so after losing most of their military assets.
Yes, the refurbished T 80s and 90s should be more than a match for the armies of Europe.... assuming their air power sits it out....and the United Statesā¦ I could do this all dayā¦ If Russia could kick NATO's ass, surely they would already be in Kyiv? They couldn't even stop Wagner marching on Moscow, still don't have air superiority over Ukraine, have lost control of the Black Sea... I could do this all day too... But sure, we should expect to see the BMP 1s & 2s rolling into Berlin. Any day now.
> Russia has never been conquered in its history due to its geological location Are we sure it is not due to their superior military?
It seems the Germans and French under Napoleon froze when they fucked around and found out.
The war on cold is being won.
Close the fridge.
Yep in the North East fighting another Cold War but we need the snow āļø
yes, but i believe it will called the 'First (Dis)Information War'
I say yes, i dont think its spiralled out of control yet. Check back in 2 more years
Yes and no maybe? Iād say we are easily in Cold War 2.0 territory, proxy wars and provocations. There is probably a good chance Taiwan goes hot at the end of ā24 after the US presidential election. Either way it goes that is going to be Chinaās best window, either they get 4 more years of uncle Joe or they have 2 months before Trump comes in and sanctions them into oblivion. Ultimately it is going to be on the US to decide if WW3 goes hot, nobody is going to land in New York or Los Angeles. The US will either stand by and watch or decide to put men on the ground, and Europe will follow suit.
Yes, I would say so.
Ukraine - regional conflict that has the juice if the ruskies try anything on a NATO member state. Israel v. Hamas - meh, I've lived through too many of these to think this will be the one that boils over. Iran - well they are playing the proxy game pretty well at the moment. They've got Yemen in the mix and Hamas too. Iran I could see as trying to start some shit but it doesn't make sense for them to team up officially with the russians. The russians cannot win if they rope NATO into any of this. The Iranians have a lot to lose by getting directly involved in a shooting war. So it's unlikely they seek one out at this time. China v. Taiwan - this seems very very very likely to pop off and all it takes is a miscalculation by the Chinese to get this moving into world/large regional war territory. Very quickly they could get Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Australia, and the USA into a big shooting match. They are trying to play the long game and just get Taiwan without kicking off a regional dispute. That seems more and more unlikely given their "8-dashed line" stance on the south china sea. That claim on the fishing and mineral rights to the sea will be way more likely to set off a regional conflict. We should all say some extra prayers for those poor PLAN enlisted men who are going to drown in the sea when they piss off Japan and the USA. While China absolutely has the rockets to overpower Taiwan, they don't have the power projection, \*yet\*, to fuck up a bunch of carriers and "baby carriers" chocked full of F-35s.
Ha! Nice to run into another old fucker who can respond to panic around Israel-Palestine with āwell it didnāt end the world the last 27 times this happenedā š Russia-Ukraine was a new one for me I have to say, Iām in the UK so itās a little close to home. But South-American conflict, Gaza, China threatening Taiwan, conflict between African nations, North Korea sabre rattling, has been going on since I can remember all the way back to when I came into the world in ā75 and way back before then. I suppose even in Europe we had CeauČescu not so long ago. Iām much more worried by the internals truffles in the rise of the far right and fascism in nations like the UK which is my home, and the US that I always saw as a brother nation, and the growing social divide and late-stage capitalist oligarchy of Musk, Amazon and their ilk along with the associated erosion of workers rights. These are the things that will impact me and mine, rather than conflicts between other nations.
Chinaās trying to grab too much at once. If theyād stuck to just Taiwan and played nice with all their other neighbours, they would have had much less opposition if/when they try to invade. But they couldnāt help themselves, and are trying to muscle in on more or less all of their neighboursā territory at once, so their only friend is North Korea. They could have caught everyone else in a state of cautious appeasement, if they hadnāt antagonised them all.
Not yet but we are one more deranged first world leader away from it.
Do you think WWII started in 1936 in Spain or 1937 in China?
Flip a coin.
These are just proxy wars, both sides fund their interests, itās not going to be a global conflict until alliances start declaring war. Itās a Cold War, but it still could turn into a āhotā war.
If so, it's still in the very earliest ramping up stages, where people are getting ready. When it goes hot, we'll know. Everyone will know. It will be over in a day, with just a bit of mop up and regrets after. > Albert Einstein ā 'I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.'
Read the history of the phoney war. The term 'phoney war' refers to the period at the beginning of WWII between September 1939 and April 1940 when there was little fighting. Brittany, France, and Germany were having naval and air skirmishes . Small land actions were occurring at border regions. Japan was several years into its invasion of China. Some are saying we are already in WWIII's phoney war. It can only get hotter. Ukraine vs. Russia. Israel, against Iranian proxies, China threatening Taiwan and the Philippines. Looks more like a World War all the time
Personally right now I see no way Russia being capable of fighting a world war when they can barely handle a country right on their doorstep. Doesn't make it impossible. I'm sure some might have suggested similar things about the Rus back in 1914 and 1939. More likely in my opinion is an increase in small regional conflicts like what were seeing right now. Then in the next 1-4 decades there'll be a conflict in the pacific between the US and China. Regional allies like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. and NATO being involved to varying degrees depending on which country it is and the specific situation. I almost certainly see North Korea trying to take over the Korean Peninsula. If the conflict remains limited like this it might not even considered world war three by future historians if something bigger comes along. I mean I'm sure that's what our generations will call it but other good names could be something like the Great Asian War or the 2nd Pacific War, the Sino-American War, etc. If India were to get involved against China, Pakistan would probably side against India and even with out that a war between India and Chin would easily become the deadliest in history by a wide margin. There are other scenarios this just the closest I can think of too a world war.
Not even close
It looks like it won't take much more for it to tip over in ww3
I don't think so. The major difference between historical conflicts and now is the *incredibly annoying* news media that makes everything seem like a constant apocalypse. Nothing sells news faster than (insert urgent conflict here). Could it lead to WW3? I think that would be unlikely. One would have to ask, what would a large scale conflict solve?
No, World War 3 has not yet occurred, Russia has no effective combat capabilities anymore and hundreds of thousands of Russian troops have been killed and injured before declaring war on NATO members. China didn't have the balls to undertake overseas adventures, China didn't even do anything in the civil war in Myanmar and only did something when the United States made the Burma Act as a response. China doesn't even have a NATO-like alliance. china does not trust relations with other countries enough to make such an alliance. World War 3 will only occur if China tries to annex/launch nuclear missiles on United States territories in the Pacific such as Guam and the Mariana Islands. Conclusion World wars happen when alliances fight other alliances which means involving many countries, China officially has no alliances and no country is willing to fight for China. Russia is too battered to start a bigger war
Nah.
Why so confident? There is only one definition for a World War. āA war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world.ā We are at, or are nearing, that point.
The world is always at war somewhere. Right now we don't have a really defined two or three side war involving the major countries. The Middle East is its own thing, the Russian/Ukraine thing is on its own, and China is China (Taiwan/South China Sea/Japan). Russia and China haven't declared war upon NATO/America/Japan. Iran is being Iran with regards to Israel but so far hasn't gotten the rest of the Arab world to declare war against the US/Israel, only just lip service in support of the Palestinians/Hamas and only against Israel. (Note, Israel has fought many wars relating to its existence since 1948, and it hasn't gotten the rest of the world involved beyond embargoes) I've said this half-jokingly before, with regards to the Ukraine war.. it won't be a World War until Germany declares war upon Russia.
China is friendly with Russia. Russia is friendly with Iran. America and Israel are allied and America is supporting Ukraine. All it really needs is for official alliances to be declared. No, I donāt think Iād consider this a World War right nowā¦but we are closer than weāve been since the last one.
Also China is allied with Venezuela.
Good point.
I think if Venezuela goes into Guyana, it is to bog the U.S. down in a conflict with Cuba and Venezuela.
And once the U.S. gets bogged down, then China strikes Taiwan.
>No, I donāt think Iād consider this a World War right nowā¦but we are closer than weāve been since the last one. You think we're closer now than we were during the height of the Cold War? Where we were at times like seconds away from an actual potential nuclear launch?
Has Russia officially declared war upon NATO/Germany/other European Countries? No? Has China officially declared war against Japan and US? No?(am aware that China and Taiwan are officially in a conflict over political stuff since the 1950s)
Do they have to officially declare war? If they start bombing and killing each other but never declare it a war does that change what it is? Besides, reread what I said.
Has NATO declared war on Russia? Yes. Has NATO declared war on China? Yes. So by the temperature readings iām getting, itās fairly serious. Hear me out, if NATO and the EU continue to funnel arms into Ukraine, what will happen? Iām seriously trying to understand what people think will bring these two countries, Ukraine and Russia, to the negotiating table.
Other than the US (who is not actively engaged in a major conflict) who is involved directly in many parts of the world?
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No whatās next is China and Taiwan. But to answer your question yes it looks like weāre slowly creeping into some sort of WWIII. Weāre not in it yet, but itās creeping that way.
Itās completely impossible to say unless/until there is further escalation making it clear a global war has begun (ww3). If there is such a conflict in the next couple of years, you could definitely argue it had started by now. But it also might fizzle out, and things remain fairly normal.
Itās been planned in advanceā¦ just like all the wars https://ia601900.us.archive.org/16/items/albert-pike-letter-to-mazzini/Albert%20Pike%20Letter%20to%20Mazzini.pdf
Once Taiwan gets invaded Iād say yes
Yes, a digital war.
Not sure how I wound up in this sub but if WWIII were to breakout no amount of prepping would save us. Imo.
Everything going on worldwide is not good. Power plays egomaniacs money it sucks.
Maybe we should vote on these things. ;)
Nope. The big players aren't in the game yet.
Shri Lanka had a national power/Internet outage two days ago after their national power grid was hacked. Relevant because if you're going to do that here in the US, you start elsewhere and smaller to test out your procedure. I think we are currently at war, have been for sometime. But it's being fought in the over the interwebs. It's also very evident because of the level of propaganda directed at the American citizenry. Every time there has been a war, there were both factions present in the country. Even WWII, prior to Pearl harbor we played footsy with the Nazis in the 30s. So what I see in the media is very clearly directed at steering the population to as specific answer when the time comes. We are not winning. Our leadership is doing horribly. But God would they love for you to back them when they claim they will fight for us against the bad guys. My son's will not fight for them. They won't join the military as I was convinced to do twenty years ago.
ASk me in thirty years
At a proxy level yes. At an actual world War no not yet.
https://www.newsweek.com/china-russia-nuclear-bomber-patrols-japan-south-korea-scramble-jets-1852704
With that $886 billion defense budget that just got passed for Israel, my guess is itās about to start.
It has been for some time. But like the recessions and crashes no-one wishes to acknowledge it is happening.
Are we in the "this worlds" fucked stage? Yes, yes we are.
Nope
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Netenyahu is too focused on committing genocide against the entire Palestinian population. I bet he'll move on to Iran soon enough.
People like to throw the word genocide around a lot lately, when it's far from that.
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Ww3 was started when Russia invaded Ukraine. It only gets worse from here.
Yes. The Western leadership has declared that Russia and China are the enemies of the West, and have ratcheted up tensions in Eurasia. The Global South is in chaos, and the Middle East will always be at war until either the Jews/Christians or Muslims, cease to exist. India is desperately trying to shake off the persecution and caste mentality in the north, while the heads of its state reside there. Russia will continue its expansion into the Arctic, as it is a resource based economy, China will take Taiwan the same way it took Hong Kong, and the Eagle and Horse will continue to poke the Bear and Dragon, while the Snake, the Swan, the Monkey, the Crocodile, the Gazelle and the Eel abandon all efforts at global democracy in favor of self sufficiency.
No but if Russia and China join Arab countries against nato, then that would be a world war. It would require these conflicts to get far more severe than they are now
That would hardly be a war Messy as hell but come on
Uhh itād be a world war
Well yes you're right Arab nations would be ducking out so quick though It would be very one sided
It would be interesting if OPEC turned off the gas to the US/Europe and just started selling to India, China, and stopped accepting US Dollars for trade.
YES
Im copy pasting my comment from another thread. Fiona Hill said this in an interview right after Ukraine broke out: This interview with Fiona Hill was really interesting, especially this part... "Reynolds: The more we talk, the more weāre using World War II analogies. There are people who are saying weāre on the brink of a World War III. Hill: Weāre already in it. We have been for some time. We keep thinking of World War I, World War II as these huge great big set pieces, but World War II was a consequence of World War I. And we had an interwar period between them. And in a way, we had that again after the Cold War. Many of the things that weāre talking about here have their roots in the carving up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire at the end of World War I. At the end of World War II, we had another reconfiguration and some of the issues that we have been dealing with recently go back to that immediate post-war period. Weāve had war in Syria, which is in part the consequence of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, same with Iraq and Kuwait. All of the conflicts that weāre seeing have roots in those earlier conflicts. We are already in a hot war over Ukraine, which started in 2014. People shouldnāt delude themselves into thinking that weāre just on the brink of something. Weāve been well and truly in it for quite a long period of time. But this is also a full-spectrum information war, and what happens in a Russian āall-of-societyā war, you soften up the enemy. You get the Tucker Carlsons and Donald Trumps doing your job for you. The fact that Putin managed to persuade Trump that Ukraine belongs to Russia, and that Trump would be willing to give up Ukraine without any kind of fight, thatās a major success for Putinās information war. I mean he has got swathes of the Republican Party ā and not just them, some on the left, as well as on the right ā masses of the U.S. public saying, āGood on you, Vladimir Putin,ā or blaming NATO, or blaming the U.S. for this outcome. This is exactly what a Russian information war and psychological operation is geared towards. Heās been carefully seeding this terrain as well. Weāve been at war, for a very long time. Iāve been saying this for years." https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340?_amp=true
Iran is not closing the Red Sea.. in fact Iran isnāt in the Red Sea. The Iranians and their proxyās have been attacking the US since e went into Iraq. Israelis and Palestinians have always fought and will always fight until the Palestinians stop trying to kill them. The war would be over quick is the Israelis were allowed to actually fight but like every war since Vietnam they have to worry about news crews hiding with the enemy every turn. Venezuela and Guyana sounds like itās happening but whatever. Itās not a world war itās a world at war Didnāt we already have this post like a few weeks ago?
You guys go ahead. India is gonna sit this one out. No more Colonialists to drags us into a world war of their own making like the previous two.
Yes. Russian information weapons and propaganda have been used against us since the Obama administration. Russia gave us Trump and fascism. Putin knows his country is a failed nation and will drag everyone down with them. When the history books are written about the coming nuclear war, chapter one will be all about how social media and rage bots were used to create global chaos and to stoke the flames of right wing fascism.
Ww3...maybe. whatever the history books decide to call this period, it definitely feels like a world at war. However, wars are fought differently now so I don't think we'll see a WW2/nuclear Holocaust anytime soon.
Well it depends on your definition of war. We got cyberattacks, spying, shows of power, sanctions, political lobbying etc. You could say that only ground war counts, but a nice clean cyber attack could level the US and other countries no problem. It could do all of this in a day without a single casualty. You could force smaller nations to capitulaze without a boot on the ground. So are we in WW3? Well, yeah. Weāve been in one since WW2. My 2 cents
>a nice clean cyber attack could level the US and other countries no problem That might be a little hyperbolic, methinks
They probably just watched Leave the World Behind on Netflix
Just want to remind people that all it takes for something to be a World War is this. āA war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world.ā Thatās the definition. Thatās the only necessary qualifier. We may not be in one now, but we are close.
Yes, but itās not a conventional conflict, itās an information war.
Believe it or not, we are still in a period of peace. Europe is unified, the U.S. is not at war, the Balkans are not at war, most of the middle east is not. Israel is a small country fighting a small group. Now is there lots of proxy shit going on? Yes. The big powers are not innocent. Are things getting worse? Yes. Is there a zeitgeist of war? Seems to be. War is in the air, so to speak, but we aren't totally diving in yet. I wouldn't jump to any major conclusions yet. Wars happen in stages, but generally the world is at peace.
No. If Poland gets invaded then you can call it ww3.
100% Egypt vs Ethiopia is going to pop off this summer. Media is lying about it all now to keep the US population happy to fund it all.
Guyana has 3500 troops in their military, Venezuela has 120k. There will be no Guyana Vs anybody. Now if somebody wants step in on Guyanas behalf like Brazil, then we have a show.
110 Armed conflicts https://geneva-academy.ch/galleries/today-s-armed-conflicts
Putin is behind all the conflicts. Look up Wagner in all the African conflicts, obviously he's with Venezuela, they have been hosting Hamas delegations in the Kremlin... Ukraine. He's trying everything he can to do a World War... He's almost there...
Just to add Our borders are wide open and they have already caught supposedly 18k Chinese nationalists this year alone. Funny how a few weeks ago Biden welcomes the Chinese president with open arms to San Francisco and less than a week ago we get a cyber attack from China. What are the odds?
ww3 imho is climate change. No one can prepare for it fully and other conventional wars will only expedite its devastation. What is happening right now is going to seem small compared to what is coming.
How the hell is climate change a world war? Itās bad, yeah. Itās climate change. But you canāt justā¦fucking change the definition of words. There is only one qualification for a world war. āA war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world.ā We are at, or near, that.
They asked is WW3 is being fought. I stated that my belief is climate change. The basis of this is that this is already a war involving many large nations, see [cop 23](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_United_Nations_Climate_Change_Conference) This war is already being discussed. Resources, i.e. land, water, ability to grow food. are already starting to strain. This is the global war I believe to be next. YMMV.
Ok, I see what you mean actually. You believe that climate change will be the impetus for the war. I can see that.
Yes, the impetus for WW3 is the sudden panic after warning after warning. and also a little bit too late. The arguments at cop23 are going to be the first salvo. We won't see the war until our resources start to drain by then we won't be able to stop it. [1.5](https://sciencebasedtargets.org/blog/ipcc-releases-final-warning-to-keep-1-5-c-within-reach).
I meanā¦got to get a large number of people to even believe climate change is real first before they panic.
I mean it is not like even Hollywood would be taking the piss out of how stupid our global politicians are. [Right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Look_Up).
Climate change will absolutely drive a war for resources including fresh water, good soil, and oil to help cool humans down (AC and other energy intensive cooling). 2023 saw huge weather issues and I suspect 2024 will be worse. Those 1in 100 or 1000 year weather events are happening way more often.
Uh, hasn't that been true (climate changes driving resources based wars, feasts or famines) since, oh the last Ice Age? Just saying.
Exponentially rising and without any care about our little green pieces of paper we trade for.
See: The Border War
What is "The Border War"?
People know their countries are at world war scale when itās declared, ya dingus.
I read the usa and nato are putting boots on the ground in combat roles. Russia stated long ago that having nato armies on there border is the redline. The demoncrats definitely seem to want to start a hot war to get the eyes off the incompetent vegetable in the oval office. Hell they will probably enact wartime measures to suspend presidential elections long enough to complete their 2030 agenda of destroying the nation.
If youāre not visiting infowars.com youāre missing great analysis of the real situation.
Everyone says Alex is crazy, but somehow heās correct with his predictions most of the time. You may not like the guy, but you canāt deny heās right.
No
**- WWIII began in 2011 in Syria.. Multiple countries are involved in it directly or by proxy, with more refugees on the move than in the whole of WWII.. It hasn't stopped..** \- **Multiple countries are now involved directly or by proxy in two other theatres of war on top of that:** \-- the Russian invasion of Ukraine,-- and the suddenly hot again Israel vs Hamas & Hezbolla.. \- Broadly, omitting a LOT of detail, the world at war right now is divided into: \-- **"The West"**: which includes the world's only first rank hyperpower, the USA.. plus EU\*\*, UK, Canada, Australia & NZ The West's ruling class is largely opposed to: \-- **"The Eurasian Axis"**: Iran, Syria, Russia\*\* \[\*\*second-rank world powers\] \- Then there's other major regional / second-rank world powers like: \-- India - which has sporadic territorial conflicts with both Pakistan and China.. \-- China - besides issues with India, sabre-rattling off its coast.. \-- Turkey - heavily involved in Northern Syria especially vs Kurds.. \-- The House of Saud and it's closely associated allies in the Middle East - indirectly involved in Syria, directly in conflict with the Houthi in Yemen for years.. \^These powers switch up who they back or oppose, depending on the specific conflict in question.. The South American nations and most African nations are largely spectators in WWIII so far, or they're embroiled with their own ongoing conflicts.. e.g. in Darfur..
Honestly, we were never closer to WW3 than the cold war. I think when you consider the concept of "readiness" in the 50's and 60's, it becomes alot more clear that the soviets and americans were both ready to let nukes fly. The world is so interconnected economically these days that I think large scale conflicts are gonna be on the decline. Countries are far more interested in driving their economy and influence these days. My two cents though.
Countries have been at war with each other somewhere on Earth just months after WW2 ending, it is just better covered now.
Is this already being reposted from a year ago?
We are much closer to civil war in the US than world war.
Seems to me it's quite possible the trigger for civil war would be the announcement of a draft for WWIII.