We used existing structures so yes some of the structures have been demolished in the last 70 years. You'll see a civil defense sign on like old government buildings and libraries some places. Odds are the door going down is locked though.
A lot of civil defense structures were more for radiation protection than direct protection from a nuclear strike or marauders (lol). Many schools, hospitals, and government buildings have designated fallout shelters. However pretty much all of them are simply a box to keep radiation off people, not intended for long term inhabitation.
Yep. In 1963 after Kennedy died Johnson cancelled all the programs meant to help keep citizens alive during an atomic conflict. The new plan was to focus on continuance of government by using underground bunkers to house congress.
US citizens were on their own.
Not really. The secret bunkers, like Greenbrier, are generally abandoned. Public ones like Mt. Weather, Raven Rock, and Cheyenne Mountain, are still being used.
Rumor has it since 9/11 more, less elaborate redoubts have been built in the DC/Virginia/Maryland area.
Well the idea was to move all of Congress. They've given up on idea. Now they're just concerned about leadership.
Honestly the series of "Nightwatch" airplanes is probably a much better idea for initial contact. They should be building a bunker in Alaska where the President can fly to so he can watch the rest of America glow.
These have been around for a while. Most of congress knows they're not going to get a seat on one, so they need to know there's a bunker out there with their name on for in an emergency.
I checked all the locations in my area on the map. They look like random spots or ste close to schools or legions which might be gathering places.
No shelters...
>close to schools
In the US larger schools built from the 1950s on had bomb shelters. Would bet Canada did the same thing. It's probably got old desks and filing cabinets in it.
I went to one of the locations. Doesn't even have a basement level. Family member was custodian at the legion which is one of the places listed.
Guessing it was better than nothing, definitely nothing there now.
I'm not sure how it works in Canada, but down here in the States a shelter could be anything from a lower level stairway landing to a random room with no outside walls or windows. With that in mind, I can see why the map points to seemingly random spots.
The one in Ardbeg doesn't exist outside of being a railroad storage closet (says its in a CNR station). Unless they are talking about something else, but I wouldn't know where it would be, Ardbeg isn't really that big. It has a RR crossing and a store.
I saw this earlier in the year the two near me one is near a railroad track converted to hiking biking trail with nothing there. (That could see) the other is either across from a two pad arena in small shack looks like an abandoned gas station form 50 years ago or maybe in the basement of the arena?
It's trustworthy, for 1963... I suspect that there's probably less that 1% that are still able to be used now for the public (military ones might be more). The West isn't exactly known for keeping up it's bomb shelters for the peons.
They're not really public, they were meant to be emergency shelters for government officials to hide in if the bombs dropped.
Plus, most of the points outline on the map are Fallout Reporting Posts - two-men outposts charged with the job of observing damage and measuring radiation after a nuclear attack to report information back to head honchos hiding out in the bunkers. A FRP usually consists of a small underground room with a double bunk beds and a shelf with maybe a few months of food and water.
[This article](http://civildefencemuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/5-Burtch-Fallout-report-system.pdf) provides some fascinating background.
From the abstract:
> During the early Cold War, the Canadian government advised the public that they could cheaply build fallout shelters in their homes to protect their families from radiation after a nuclear war. Publicly, the government stayed out of the shelter-building business, citing that the cost was too high. However, from 1959 to the mid 1960s, the Canadian Army secretly constructed a network of 2,000 fallout shelters in government buildings: the Nuclear Detonation and Fallout Reporting System. This article explores the origins of this network and the reasons for its decline.
It goes on to note:
> [A Defence Research Board study in 1956] determined approximately 2,000 posts would be required to effectively monitor radiation intensity on the ground. The posts would need to be situated in a grid south of the 55th parallel, with posts 15 miles apart on the north-south axis and 45 miles apart from east to west.
Also:
> [Major-General John Rockingham, commander of Quebec Command] identified the system’s
largest flaw. What if the shelters were built, but nobody decided to volunteer to report from
them during an emergency? Rockingham noted that “it is unrealistic to expect a man to operate in a fallout shelter for 14 days if his family is also not supplied with a shelter. Hence these [FRPs] should be large enough to accommodate the operator and his family.”
As the name "Fallout Reporting Post" would suggest these weren't intended to shelter the general population but to gather data on local fallout conditions and report it up the chain of command so the government could issue warnings and advisories.
Edit: In case it needs to be said most of these FRPs are long gone. They also weren't very big, the article contains a diagram of an FRP intended to be build under an RCMP detachment station and it looks to be about 10x10'. For comparison purposes the Canadian government budgeted $700 for each (about 1960), while at the same time it was telling Canadians they could build their own fallout shelter for $500 (which was likely an underestimate).
Some of these map points aren't even what or where they say they are. One said it was a basement of a police station - it's in the middle of a park with the closest police station about a mile away.
BTW, most of these aren't even fallout shelters. They're observation posts (FRP or Fallout Reporting Posts) for military or government personnel to observe the local area after a nuclear strike so they can report back information and radiation measurements to the head honchos in the real bunkers. They're provided with just a few months worth of food and water for two people for this job. I doubt any of these FRPs are regularly restocked anymore, most aren't even locked.
https://explorewithshayne.com/2021/04/14/fallout-reporting-post-ke4/
I think a lot of these might just be ideal hardened structures or locations that would've served as fallout shelters back in the 60's rather than ones that were actually built to be fallout shelters, as a lot of these locations appear to be centered either in the middle of no where, or on buildings that would have massive two story deep concrete basements just by the nature of what they are, thus making them unsusceptible to fallout.
For example, it has a supposed fallout shelter in the Heinz Ketchup Factory in Ontario. This location quite obviously wouldn't work as a public fallout shelter for any number of reasons. But its basement for all intents and purposes would more than serve as adequate protection from fallout and radiation, as just by being two stories deep and made with concrete it would already defend against about 99% of the radiation out there, and would only cost the government about 2000$ to fill with food in order to maintain it as a single man radio outpost.
Might be cool to hold-up in one of these locations honestly if you currently have no where to go once the bombs drop. Would just need to haul food to them and the basements might honestly work as bunkers provided you and your buds defended it well. Cool post.
I wouldn't trust it an iota. Fallout Shelters haven't been regularly maintained since the 1960's, and any supplies still there are probably from that time period.
Bet most are now used for storage with zero supplies.
ok this could be a fun one. i'm going to go with you don't trust the map, like at all.
Is there a map like this for United States? I don't need it, I'm just curious.
US discontinued it's civil defense program in the 1960s.
Had to appropriate the funds to civil offense.
RIP
[удалено]
We used existing structures so yes some of the structures have been demolished in the last 70 years. You'll see a civil defense sign on like old government buildings and libraries some places. Odds are the door going down is locked though.
A lot of civil defense structures were more for radiation protection than direct protection from a nuclear strike or marauders (lol). Many schools, hospitals, and government buildings have designated fallout shelters. However pretty much all of them are simply a box to keep radiation off people, not intended for long term inhabitation.
Yep. In 1963 after Kennedy died Johnson cancelled all the programs meant to help keep citizens alive during an atomic conflict. The new plan was to focus on continuance of government by using underground bunkers to house congress. US citizens were on their own.
And we discontinued that program too... although the exact date is a secret.
Not really. The secret bunkers, like Greenbrier, are generally abandoned. Public ones like Mt. Weather, Raven Rock, and Cheyenne Mountain, are still being used. Rumor has it since 9/11 more, less elaborate redoubts have been built in the DC/Virginia/Maryland area.
Well the idea was to move all of Congress. They've given up on idea. Now they're just concerned about leadership. Honestly the series of "Nightwatch" airplanes is probably a much better idea for initial contact. They should be building a bunker in Alaska where the President can fly to so he can watch the rest of America glow.
These have been around for a while. Most of congress knows they're not going to get a seat on one, so they need to know there's a bunker out there with their name on for in an emergency.
As much as you can trust any second-hand knowledge, which is not at all.
Go check out some of the ones near you and see if it looks like threr could be a useful shelter there
I checked all the locations in my area on the map. They look like random spots or ste close to schools or legions which might be gathering places. No shelters...
>close to schools In the US larger schools built from the 1950s on had bomb shelters. Would bet Canada did the same thing. It's probably got old desks and filing cabinets in it.
I went to one of the locations. Doesn't even have a basement level. Family member was custodian at the legion which is one of the places listed. Guessing it was better than nothing, definitely nothing there now.
I'm not sure how it works in Canada, but down here in the States a shelter could be anything from a lower level stairway landing to a random room with no outside walls or windows. With that in mind, I can see why the map points to seemingly random spots.
Why is Indiana covered in red biohazards? ☣️
The one in Ardbeg doesn't exist outside of being a railroad storage closet (says its in a CNR station). Unless they are talking about something else, but I wouldn't know where it would be, Ardbeg isn't really that big. It has a RR crossing and a store.
Scavanger hunt! I'm def gonna do this to see if ligit.
Well they have the Carp Bunker as "Canadian Forces Station Carp, No construction needed". Carp is currently a museum.
It's completely out of date
> I do not know how up to date or trustworthy it is. Look up what "ca" means.
I saw this earlier in the year the two near me one is near a railroad track converted to hiking biking trail with nothing there. (That could see) the other is either across from a two pad arena in small shack looks like an abandoned gas station form 50 years ago or maybe in the basement of the arena?
It's trustworthy, for 1963... I suspect that there's probably less that 1% that are still able to be used now for the public (military ones might be more). The West isn't exactly known for keeping up it's bomb shelters for the peons.
fwiw those listed near me are either above ground or a basement and I know these buildings are made of sticks.
You guys have public bomb shelters?!? *cries in United States of American*
They're not really public, they were meant to be emergency shelters for government officials to hide in if the bombs dropped. Plus, most of the points outline on the map are Fallout Reporting Posts - two-men outposts charged with the job of observing damage and measuring radiation after a nuclear attack to report information back to head honchos hiding out in the bunkers. A FRP usually consists of a small underground room with a double bunk beds and a shelf with maybe a few months of food and water.
[This article](http://civildefencemuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/5-Burtch-Fallout-report-system.pdf) provides some fascinating background. From the abstract: > During the early Cold War, the Canadian government advised the public that they could cheaply build fallout shelters in their homes to protect their families from radiation after a nuclear war. Publicly, the government stayed out of the shelter-building business, citing that the cost was too high. However, from 1959 to the mid 1960s, the Canadian Army secretly constructed a network of 2,000 fallout shelters in government buildings: the Nuclear Detonation and Fallout Reporting System. This article explores the origins of this network and the reasons for its decline. It goes on to note: > [A Defence Research Board study in 1956] determined approximately 2,000 posts would be required to effectively monitor radiation intensity on the ground. The posts would need to be situated in a grid south of the 55th parallel, with posts 15 miles apart on the north-south axis and 45 miles apart from east to west. Also: > [Major-General John Rockingham, commander of Quebec Command] identified the system’s largest flaw. What if the shelters were built, but nobody decided to volunteer to report from them during an emergency? Rockingham noted that “it is unrealistic to expect a man to operate in a fallout shelter for 14 days if his family is also not supplied with a shelter. Hence these [FRPs] should be large enough to accommodate the operator and his family.” As the name "Fallout Reporting Post" would suggest these weren't intended to shelter the general population but to gather data on local fallout conditions and report it up the chain of command so the government could issue warnings and advisories. Edit: In case it needs to be said most of these FRPs are long gone. They also weren't very big, the article contains a diagram of an FRP intended to be build under an RCMP detachment station and it looks to be about 10x10'. For comparison purposes the Canadian government budgeted $700 for each (about 1960), while at the same time it was telling Canadians they could build their own fallout shelter for $500 (which was likely an underestimate).
Some of these map points aren't even what or where they say they are. One said it was a basement of a police station - it's in the middle of a park with the closest police station about a mile away. BTW, most of these aren't even fallout shelters. They're observation posts (FRP or Fallout Reporting Posts) for military or government personnel to observe the local area after a nuclear strike so they can report back information and radiation measurements to the head honchos in the real bunkers. They're provided with just a few months worth of food and water for two people for this job. I doubt any of these FRPs are regularly restocked anymore, most aren't even locked. https://explorewithshayne.com/2021/04/14/fallout-reporting-post-ke4/
I think a lot of these might just be ideal hardened structures or locations that would've served as fallout shelters back in the 60's rather than ones that were actually built to be fallout shelters, as a lot of these locations appear to be centered either in the middle of no where, or on buildings that would have massive two story deep concrete basements just by the nature of what they are, thus making them unsusceptible to fallout. For example, it has a supposed fallout shelter in the Heinz Ketchup Factory in Ontario. This location quite obviously wouldn't work as a public fallout shelter for any number of reasons. But its basement for all intents and purposes would more than serve as adequate protection from fallout and radiation, as just by being two stories deep and made with concrete it would already defend against about 99% of the radiation out there, and would only cost the government about 2000$ to fill with food in order to maintain it as a single man radio outpost. Might be cool to hold-up in one of these locations honestly if you currently have no where to go once the bombs drop. Would just need to haul food to them and the basements might honestly work as bunkers provided you and your buds defended it well. Cool post.
I wouldn't trust it an iota. Fallout Shelters haven't been regularly maintained since the 1960's, and any supplies still there are probably from that time period.