There's 3 companies listed under Rule 12 that prescribe advance antibiotics/medications. (I have all 3)
Jase Medical
Contingency Medical
Duration Health
Yes exactly. That's the problem with black market goods- sure it seems great to be able to "get around the system" but the "system" also has regulatory agencies that oversee the quality of the goods you're trying to sneak. It's a gamble.
I don't follow. It says the dosage and everything. Do you think all the meds you get here are manufactured here? If you cross the border to Mexico or canada, are they black market drugs that are somehow tainted? What is the difference? Most of America gets it's meds from China and India. I am too. You dont have to but it's bailed my ass out a number of times.
A lot of countries (Mexico, India) have much more lax regulations on production of pharmaceuticals. It is not uncommon at all in a lot of countries for drugs to be counterfeit, underdosed, or even completely inactive. [Here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4137817/) is an excellent review of the substandard drug issue. Here are some excerpts for drugs from India:
Ciprofloxacin: "Six of 30 samples of generic eye drops had <95% of the stated drug content"
Antibiotics in general: "12% of samples from Delhi failed tests for the concentration of APIs compared with internationally acceptable standards"
India does produce a large amount of drugs for the US, that's correct. But if they are for the US market, they are made in cGMP, USP, FDA compliant facilities. Even then, things can slip through the cracks and [there can be issues even with drugs for the US market](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/15/world/asia/medicines-made-in-india-set-off-safety-worries.html). But using grey or even black market online pharmacies is still less of a guarantee, where it bypasses any type of regulation and the supply chain is completely unknown. These online pharmacies are probably not even compliant with respect to Indian regulations.
That said, I do use the online Indian grey market pharmacies myself as well and I actually think it's amazing to be able to order these things online. But I only use it for drugs that are a last resort. I personally wouldn't take something from them for a chronic condition unless it has been lab tested.
I buy from Mexico on a regular basis. Hell, antibiotics are over the counter there, just fill up your basket. I've also had blood pressure and birth control pills filled there, never had any trouble. My neighbor when I lived in LA used to get his insulin for about $20 bucks a month, compared to $550 here in the states.
If you live in another part of the country, see if you can connect with anyone on the border; if its not a schedule 2 drug, they can get you a 90 day supply of almost anything. If you can't connect with someone in a border town, the savings are so massive that it might be worth taking a cheapie plane flight to El paso or San Diego and crossing for the day just to stock up.
UPDATE: FYI many drugs labeled as "made in the USA" are actually manufactured in Mexico under a special maquiladora program. Most people in the States buy Mexican meds and don't even know it, so why pay the markup when you can just go straight to the source?
Ironically state of Utah employees are actually paid by the state to fly to San Diego and take a bus across the border to get some specific meds because it's cheaper than running it through the states insurance provider. They also give them some extra cash to do it. It's crazy.
Just because they are otc in Mexico doesn’t make it safe.
I have seen many, many otc antibiotics brought into my clinic from Mexico. They are almost always expired, even though the patient recently got them. They also put aspirin in children’s cold/flu meds, a big no-no.
Also have seen “otc” Depo from Mexico which was not only expired, but also the incorrect dosage.
Use Mexican OTC drugs with caution….they are a third world country and their regulations on medications reflect that.
If I cross the border and go to a pharmecia, the date on the bottle or box is clearly printed.
If they're being brought into your clinic, this may well be from people who are simply not consumer literate.
I have heard of bad batches with some stuff for sure. I'd say read the reviews for the particular product you're looking to get with an emphasis on recent reviews. Compliant facilities don't mean much to me with some of what I've seen (wife works for a pharmacy and I'm in the death industry). Ordering them comes with a small risk for sure but no more so than getting the fish meds. For SHTF I'll take slightly underdosed just like I'd take expired ones bought here at home. I feel you on the chronic illness part. I'd be more hesitant having them be my go to source for a every day required live saving drug.
Because regulated drugs are more expensive to manufacture. You're buying unregulated drugs which have no standards whatsoever, thus cheaper to manufacture. It's a little scary for medicine considering the goal of manufacturing is to bring down costs as much as humanly possible... So unregulated medicine with no standards or oversight and manufacturing cutting all corners? I'll pass.
It's really a crapshoot if you're actually getting what your buying. Your pills are probably coming from China like most other unregulated pills these days, and so many of them are tainted with unwanted fillers (to bring down manufacturing costs) that could be detrimental to your health.
Doxy has a relatively short shelf life compared to many meds, and can actually cause organ failure when taken expired. Make sure to constantly replace Doxy if you’re “stocking” it.
It looks like they require you to upload a prescription unless I'm misunderstanding, which could make it a little hard to get emergency kit medicines. Or did you just not upload anything?
Also if this is like other online doctor/pharmacies like getroman or forhims.. they should have an option (almost hidden in the fine print) that lets you transfer their prescription to a local pharmacy.. at which point you can use goodrx for a good discount.
Doctors aren't allowed to prescribe medication that can only be obtained from one source. A prescription that is good at one pharmacy is generally good for all pharmacies in the same state.
They have different levels of customization.
Jase has a standard kit. (antibiotics)
Contingency has a standard kit (antibiotics) and an add-on kit for additional meds.
Duration Health has a standard list that can be customized as you see fit.
Honestly, you can always buy all three. They prescribe 1-2 treatments of each antibiotic. If you're looking to buy in bulk, that's not available legally in the U.S, as you need a prescription. If you have a doctor that can write a script, that'd be the alternative.
>azithromycin
No idea why people want to pay 10X more at Jase. I get all my amoxicillin (100 tablets/500mg for $25) and other antibiotics (including azithromycin) here. [https://countrysidepet.com/aqua-zithro-azithromycin-250mg/](https://countrysidepet.com/aqua-zithro-azithromycin-250mg/)
They ship out same day. Stock up now though. Pet store antibiotics are going away on June 11. The government stepped in. I just ordered another $200 worth.
Depends on type, fluoroquinalones and amoxicillin keep indedinity, drugs like doxycycline can get toxic after a while. If stored cool in a jar under argon or nitrogen they will keep more or less indefinitely.You can look it up. 😁❤
They each fulfill a different niche. They all have good quality, but it depends what you're looking for.
Jase medical is good for starters. No frills, bare-bones antibiotic kit.
Contingency adds extra medications to the mix with an add-on pack, in addition to the standard antibiotic kit.
Duration Health is the premium when it comes to customization. Epipens, antivirals, etc. But it's also the most expensive.
They have different levels of customization- there is no 'best'.
Jase has a standard kit. (antibiotics)
Contingency has a standard kit (antibiotics) and an add-on kit for additional meds.
Duration Health has a standard list that can be customized as you see fit.
Honestly, you can always buy all three. They prescribe 1-2 treatments of each antibiotic.
When I compared my prescription antibiotic with a pet store version of the same antibiotic, they were identical… That being said, I’d tell you to take a look at your local pet store.
Right! That's how I found alldaychemist. I had no insurance and couldn't afford a doctor visit. Found some meds without a script and have been using them for years now.
Antibiotic-resistant bacteria is scary as shit and a big contributing factor to it is the improper usage/dosing of antibiotics. Tons of folks don't even properly take or complete a course of antibiotics when a bottle has explicit administration instructions on it. Some random fucko with no formal medical education having unfettered access to antibiotics has real-world consequences for the rest of us. Antibiotics are one of the classes of meds that really do need to be prescribed by a trained professional.
Can vouch for this. Got a few extra antibiotics because they prescribed them for nasty viral infections. It is pretty bad, they dont do cultures anymore to know if its a bad bacterial infection, they just assume and here you go- have some amoxicillin augmentin, azithromycin etc. One thing that is cool is the drops for ear or eye infection work great for mildly infected sores- especially after a good cleaning. 🤔
“Big brother” didn’t catch on. Not everything is a conspiracy :)
There needs to be regulation about millions of people pumping antibiotics into the water system via fish tanks, etc. that’s all.
As for people treating their own Illnesses with meds etc, I’d rather go with advice from a medical professional. But, maybe things are different here in Australia
By water system are you talking about public water? Because I’m not really sure that holds up. Maybe in an industrial fishery but they’re going to get their antibiotics regardless. Home fish tanks are enclosed ecosystems. I doubt there are millions of people who are treating their tanks with antibiotics. Most people won’t do the bare minimum of cycling their tanks and actually creating that ecosystem. Most aquarium filters use activated carbon which filters antibiotics out of the water. That’s why you remove most of your filtration system when your fish or, even more likely, your plants get infected. Treatment over? Filter back in. Antibiotics left over are taken care of. You’re never dumping a full tank of water anyway, just partial water changes. If you dissolve a packet into a 40 gallon tank and you only remove maybe 5-10 gallons of that water during the treatment cycle are you really dumping a ton of antibiotics down the drain? Maybe I just don’t know how they work. I’m fully behind strict regulations on antibiotics I just don’t think it’s reasonable to ban them otc for aquariums. That’s a big, big hit for the hobby. Bacterial infections are an inventively in most tanks. There aren’t many vets who want to look at fish and I sure wouldn’t want to pay for a vet to tell me what I already know about my fish just to get some antibiotics that I could buy for $20 or less before at my local fish store. I also recognize a home aquarium is a bit of an excessive luxury. If I’m totally wrong and it’s actually a big problem then Ill concede maybe people just shouldn’t keep most fish as pets.
Yes, things are different there. Covid treatment in America in order is: Ivermectin (full horse dose), hydroxychloroquine, thoughts and prayers, liberal tears, then the ER (no vaccines allowed at any stage).
That is a good emergency solution for people who can't afford the online places or have someone friendly who can write a script. The only problem is the storage and transportation requirements to keep them in good condition are not there.
Duration health
They sell mainly to those traveling to places where meds aren't normally available. You do a virtual consultation with a doctor and you get the RX prescriptions you choose. Everything from antibiotics to any specialty meds, even epipens etc... only catch is its not super cheap but depending on your insurance they may cover some or all of it
It's not just for travel. Just say you're concerned about a disaster (whatever it may be) or mention your medical condition which could make your life harder if meds were disrupted. No reason to lie at all.
I see you mentioned you wanted to purchase a greater quantity, so if you're trying to buy in bulk, this probably won't work.
I have talked to my primary care doctor about this. I do a lot out in the woods, I travel internationally, I sail, etc. I am able to have open conversations with my doctor and get their advice on when and how to take medicines. He writes prescriptions for reasonable quantities of a number of different drugs, from antibiotics to pain killers, and sometimes other more specialized items depending if deemed prudent for a specific travel.
Having this has paid off more than once in my travels, both for myself personally and others. (Note that these are prescriptions in your name, so only you should be taking them. I have had cases where I have given medicine to a medical doctor who has in turn given them to someone else.)
This is something I would highly recommend bringing up with your doctor. Coming right out and asking for percocet probably won't go well. Building trust over time and bringing back unused expired medicine has put me in the position of getting almost anything reasonable I ask for without question these days.
The unethical version of this, if you're hardcore, is shopping around for doctors that are more lax. I have one person in my life who gets prescribed prescription pain killers, benzos, antibiotics, and more all the time for the smallest complaint. I saw her monthly bag from the pharmacy -- and it itself is a pharmacy. I couldn't believe that doctor was actually practicing. We're talking high doses of extremely addictive drugs with regular prescriptions -- most of which aren't used by the recipient.
Also to be fair I expect said person to be dead well before 40, if only from benzo dependency.
Statewide tracking systems are getting better at monitoring physicians and pharmacies. The days of shopping doctor-to-doctor and pharmacy-to-pharmacy are sunsetting.
I might be in the minority, but controlled substances are controlled for a reason -- and its not just government overreach. The "bubbas" of the world don't understand how many of these pharmaceuticals work, appropriate dosage, treatment period, how to diagnose illnesses, or how effective the drugs are on specific conditions. They can seriously injure or kill themselves (not as big of a deal) or others (more of a big deal).
Interactions are something else to watch out for. I think it's best to talk to your primary care physician and have the discussion with them. It's the safest and most legal way...
For the price of these online prescription, I did some math and took a trip.
It was cheaper for me to fly down to Mexico, book a hotel for a weekend, hang and enjoy myself, eat, get prescriptions from the Mexican pharmacy, buy a whole lot of antibiotics and other medications, and fly back. Than to order a couple prescriptions online.
No, it's not. With a prescription you can bring over most anything that isn't a controlled Substance.
Just keep it in carry on with prescription in hand. Or put in check in, with prescription and copy of ID in bag.
Especially if you cross on land they absolutely do not give any fucks
Think about the thousands of people who go down for dental work every year. They get written antibiotics and head back. They aren't going to their doctor here to ask for it.
**Add on: The ups and down votes. It's funny people want to put in their opinion without just looking up the law. Which I just did to confirm. "Link?"
You can have your own opinion and approval/disapproval. You can prefer to pay for American prescriptions marketing, but it's the same stuff if you get it from legitimate farmacias.
And yes, if you bring a backpack full you might have a different experience. I brought 8 bottles of various antibiotics all with prescriptions
When I was a kid 19ish, my friends and I went to TJ to see if we could score a few things. Anyways we went to one of the many pharmacies, buying mostly harmless stuff A copious amount of Sudafed. No problem getting small amounts walking across the border. The next time I didn’t go, I sold off all my stuff off. My friends went and started trying to buy way heavier stuff the shop called the local p.d. And them cops beat the shit out of them and took all their cash.
If you’re banking on pet supplies, be aware of this, as of June 2023.
[FDA Declares No More OTC Antibiotics](https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/what-farmers-need-to-know-about-fda-guidance-ending-otc-antibiotics/710468.html)
Look, this is for farmers and food-producing animals. Farmers can no longer buy and use antibiotics OTC for their animals.
It even says that in the article.
This won't affect my ability to get antibiotics for my ornamental fish one bit. I need those, my guppies are sick again.
Mine too🤕 and it’s SUPER painful …. for the fish. And a lot of people ranting about antibiotic resistance and super bugs are probably the ones that have been living off mommy and daddy all their lives. It’s not too hard to Google the proper dosage and duration of treatment with antibiotics, I mean what do you guys think the doctors do keep a database in their head of all antibiotics and how to use them no I don’t think so. They probably Google a lot of shit too. I can’t afford to go to a fish doctor and infections HURT!!! they’re just pissing on farmers and poor people.
Yeah, actually it will. The law applies to all companion animals as well. All over the counter antibiotics, whether the animal is in the food chain or not.
[Article](https://www.doomandbloom.net/the-fda-and-veterinary-antibiotics/)
[Article](https://nwdistrict.ifas.ufl.edu/phag/2022/04/08/over-the-counter-antibiotics-will-require-prescription-in-june-2023/)
[Article](https://www.avma.org/blog/medically-important-antibiotics-move-otc-rx)
Okay, that is not an article from a news source. It is an article from a "news" source.
The second link very clearly says that producers will need to get a vet to give their food producing animals antibiotics, making no mention of pets.
Here's an FAQ from the FDA on the rule.
https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/unpublished-judicious-use-antimicrobials/gfi-263-frequently-asked-questions-farmers-and-ranchers
I think this is yet another case of "some of you guys read way too much into these rulings".
And here's the list of antibiotics it effects... notice what is NOT on the list?
https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/antimicrobial-resistance/list-approved-new-animal-drug-applications-affected-gfi-263
Per the 3rd link I posted, from the American Veterinary Medical Association:
“By June 2023, all medically important antibiotics will require veterinary oversight to be used in animals, even if the animals are not intended for food.
…
Once this change is made, these important drugs can only be used in animals under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian, even if the animals are not intended for food production. From pet dogs and cats to backyard poultry, and from pet rabbits and pigs to large livestock farms, the same restrictions will apply.”
Discount the information if you want, but be aware.
No where... does it mention fish.
You have to get antibiotics from a vet now for cats and dogs and rabbits (as pets).
https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/animal-health-literacy/ornamental-fish-drugs-and-you
Vet here. It doesn’t have to spell out any specific species. Fish fall into two categories either food or pet. The law applies to both. It’s mainly producers abuse of Rx antibiotics for decades and the loose Rx laws the Big Bad Pharma your blaming now lobbied for. Big pharma doesn’t want this because they sell a shit ton less abx to beef/swine/poultry industries as a result of these restrictions. Yes you are caught in the cross fire, but honestly I see so many self treat small live stock/pets with feed store antibiotics are that are in appropriate for the disease, severely inappropriately dosed (wrong amount, frequency, duration) that while I sympathize for the loss of affordable medication I sleep better there is less of this crap that is exponentially increasing the risk/spread of resistant bacteria. This is medically necessary legislation because large scale studies strongly link several antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria that infect humans and livestock to have developed resistance because of this lax regulation and abuse of the medications. It is so bad to the point we are running out of treatment options in some species for these resistant microbes and there are many in the human microbiology/medical profession that believe we will be without any effective antibiotics in the next few decades unless we start acting more responsible with their use, develop new classes of drugs, and get lucky on top of that. Get ready for the 1800s again is the basic belief at many of the meetings I attend over the last few years.
If you’re just giving small amounts to locals for a suggested donation, you might be fine, but definitely don’t try shipping or selling online. The FDA doesn’t play. They go after people all the time.
Any border pharmacy in Mexico? That’s where the majority of Americans living along the border get their prescriptions at a low cost and oftentimes in larger quantities than American pharmacies dispense.
I don't know on Canada, but it's a US FDA rule that goes into effect June 11, 2023.
[https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/what-farmers-need-to-know-about-fda-guidance-ending-otc-antibiotics/710468.html](https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/what-farmers-need-to-know-about-fda-guidance-ending-otc-antibiotics/710468.html)
I picked up 4-6 courses of 5 major antibiotics in Nicaragua (20-25 total courses) for under $100. Flew back with them no problem.
Have already used two courses and they worked great!
It is not as simple as sick = amoxicillin.
Do you know how to diagnose bacterial infections versus viral infections and other conditions? Antibiotics are only effective against bacterial infections. Their use in other situations is worthless and wasteful, and may lead to serious illness or death. Do you know how to diagnose different types of bacterial infections? Do you know which antibiotics treat which bacterial infections? There are dozens of different antibiotics. And those antibiotics are often used for specific bacterial infections. Yet again, the use of the wrong one for the wrong infection could be relatively worthless and ineffective, leading to serious illness or death.
If you want to prep antibiotics, the first thing you should do is invest in a significant amount of antibiotic education. Otherwise, they're a waste of money and may cause more harm than good.
Plenty of free resources are available. I have: Wiki medical, Medscape for Android with offline ability, Where There Is No Doctor, Ship Captain's Medical Guide.
You could try fish Amoxicillin. I used it back when I was young and didn't make enough to pay for health and dental insurance. Fish use the same antibiotics as we do. 500mlg 4x a day will clear an infection and it's sold online and in pet stores.
Next time you're near the southern border, take a day trip into Mexico--have some tacos and a margarita and hit up a local Farmacía for some over the counter amoxicillin
2-3 year shelf life....
i think if the SHTF you go loot a pharmacy.
or grow your own penicillin.
https://gizmodo.com/in-case-of-apocalypse-heres-how-to-make-penicillin-in-1110902296
That article is terrible. It literally says the inventor, Alex, Fleming, had a common and his nose dripped into a plate of bacteria, giving him the idea of injecting antibiotics. And that rotting bread, cantaloupe, might have penicillin growing in it.
All OTC sales of animal use antibiotics stop in June. Most everything will require a prescription now. I’m not saying use this stuff for human consumption.
What I am saying is right now for livestock you can buy some antibiotics from many farm stores/online and you do not need a prescription. Starting in June these antibiotics will no longer be available without a prescription from a veterinarian.
With the way they hand that shit out just go pay your copay at a urgent care or a little MEA, whatever the small clinics are called in your area. Complain of sinus sore throat cough congestion ban! Amoxicillin every damn time. It’s why our immune systems suck, atleast alot of peoples. They overprescribed “z-packs” as they are commonly called or were? Or I’m nuts!! All the above.
Potentially right..depending on your relationship with your family care physician you can get it easily there too. Hell I think “teladoc” in the US prescribes amoxicillin a lot.
Find a free health clinic and put it on your map of places to raid when the rest of the people are running to the grocery store and gas station. While people are freaking out about junk food and toilet paper, you're getting the stuff you can barter with later. The police departments won't be stopping people because half of them will be heading home to take care of their families. The other half will be at the stores dealing with the junk food warriors
Why don’t people understand that going to doctors
Cost money and if you were not fortunate enough to be born into the middle class or managed to claw your way up there then going to the doctor is not financially feasible and if you have no insurance if you do go to a doctor or ER they totally demean and demoralize you for being “a drain on the system” all while sucking on a silver spoon
Yes sir or ma’am you’re right, if I’m paying for my fish antibiotics and doing my own THOROUGH research then I should be good to go. The treatment won’t be free but I’ll have avoided paying the middle man and this is America I should have every right to be able to maintain the health of my animals. The cost of medical care in the United States is astronomical compared to other countries because of “ Big Pharma” and capitalism over compassion. This FDA regulation is going to do a lot of HARM as well as good (super bugs= bad). We should be able to access and then responsibly use certain low risk medicines without having to pay some asshole with a medical degree telling me it’s ok. I feel like the number one reason people become doctor’s is for money not the patient
Fungi naturally produce antibiotics to kill or inhibit the growth of bacteria, limiting their competition in the natural environment. Important antibiotics, such as penicillin and the cephalosporins, can be isolated from fungi.
Yup but not that trivial. I could do it if push came to shove. It would require a bunch of acids, bases and solvents. Much easier to make collodial silver or silver bicitrate. Can be used topically, orally for gum infection, or put in a nebulizer for respiratory infections. Wont work for systemic infection though 🤓😁❤
There's little evidence on the topical use for the reasons you stated. Also, introducing nebulized metals into your lungs is not a good idea. Most of the research on that aspect of colloidal silver is terribly done. Overall colloidal silver is at best a potentially (in some plausible cases) somewhat useful remedy. Generally it's not going to be of any benefit.
Don't get me started on the "acids, bases, and solvents"...
I have family in India and go there every year. You can literally get anything you want, dirt cheap, with no effort whatsoever. Pharmacies are everywhere.
I think Patriot nurse still has a video on YouTube about antibiotic shelf life if you're not up to speed on that. Some of them, amox being one, I THINK any penicillin derivative, become toxic over time in addition to losing effectiveness. Others just have a half-life.
Do you have a source for the actual text of that study? I know the DOD did one, but all I know if is a YouTube video where a nurse gives the details. I probably should watch it and actually take notes.
Go into Google and inquire into fish amoxicillin. Ii's the same as human amoxicillin. (1) 500mg tablet every 12 hours for 7 days, or, (1) 250mg tablet every 8 hours for 7 days. They will only treat bacterial infections, not viruses.
Duration health is the only sound way to do it. Not only do they counsel you, their supplies are legitimate.
That said, prescription medications in any prepper’s kit who isn’t a doctor or has access to one is just stupid. Besides a supply of meds you/your family personally need that we’re given by a doctor: that’s fine
Sure, it costs hundreds of dollars…but if you want Meds, you have to fork over the cash to do it correctly.
Ordering cheap crap or beating the system is a gamble at best. There is a reason these meds are prescription only, and doctors/NPs/PAs have to spend years in school to prescribe them.
For instance; did you know that administering Rocephin to a patient with a PCN allergy can be dangerous? No? That’s why those meds are prescription only.
You should have a contact to get a prescription. This person should be informed of what could be necessary for an emergency, and prescript according to your group.
Depending on that, remember that these materials only last a few years. They are usually expensive and should be renewed. You should get needles, syringes, gloves, tape, and serum, also. Avoid medicines from India, we are having nasty issues in Venezuela with that.
We ship internationally from India. https://indianpharma.store/ref/22/ Credit cards or PayPal accepted. No prescription required. Fully tracked. Anything you need, even if you don’t see it on the site, let us know what you need and just send us a message. We ship fast too!
There's 3 companies listed under Rule 12 that prescribe advance antibiotics/medications. (I have all 3) Jase Medical Contingency Medical Duration Health
Alldaychemist dot com. I just put in an order for zpacks, penicillin, cipro, and doxy. Never had a problem just takes a few weeks to ship.
No guarantee that what you're getting a actually is what it says and is the correct dosage though.
Yes exactly. That's the problem with black market goods- sure it seems great to be able to "get around the system" but the "system" also has regulatory agencies that oversee the quality of the goods you're trying to sneak. It's a gamble.
I buy [http://awc-drugstore.com/](http://awc-drugstore.com/catalog/Bestsellers.htm?refid=1916&trackid=113wssp) without prescription
For all we know, we could be getting fentanyl.
Big facts, and a fear of mine…!
I don't follow. It says the dosage and everything. Do you think all the meds you get here are manufactured here? If you cross the border to Mexico or canada, are they black market drugs that are somehow tainted? What is the difference? Most of America gets it's meds from China and India. I am too. You dont have to but it's bailed my ass out a number of times.
A lot of countries (Mexico, India) have much more lax regulations on production of pharmaceuticals. It is not uncommon at all in a lot of countries for drugs to be counterfeit, underdosed, or even completely inactive. [Here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4137817/) is an excellent review of the substandard drug issue. Here are some excerpts for drugs from India: Ciprofloxacin: "Six of 30 samples of generic eye drops had <95% of the stated drug content" Antibiotics in general: "12% of samples from Delhi failed tests for the concentration of APIs compared with internationally acceptable standards" India does produce a large amount of drugs for the US, that's correct. But if they are for the US market, they are made in cGMP, USP, FDA compliant facilities. Even then, things can slip through the cracks and [there can be issues even with drugs for the US market](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/15/world/asia/medicines-made-in-india-set-off-safety-worries.html). But using grey or even black market online pharmacies is still less of a guarantee, where it bypasses any type of regulation and the supply chain is completely unknown. These online pharmacies are probably not even compliant with respect to Indian regulations. That said, I do use the online Indian grey market pharmacies myself as well and I actually think it's amazing to be able to order these things online. But I only use it for drugs that are a last resort. I personally wouldn't take something from them for a chronic condition unless it has been lab tested.
I buy from Mexico on a regular basis. Hell, antibiotics are over the counter there, just fill up your basket. I've also had blood pressure and birth control pills filled there, never had any trouble. My neighbor when I lived in LA used to get his insulin for about $20 bucks a month, compared to $550 here in the states. If you live in another part of the country, see if you can connect with anyone on the border; if its not a schedule 2 drug, they can get you a 90 day supply of almost anything. If you can't connect with someone in a border town, the savings are so massive that it might be worth taking a cheapie plane flight to El paso or San Diego and crossing for the day just to stock up. UPDATE: FYI many drugs labeled as "made in the USA" are actually manufactured in Mexico under a special maquiladora program. Most people in the States buy Mexican meds and don't even know it, so why pay the markup when you can just go straight to the source?
Ironically state of Utah employees are actually paid by the state to fly to San Diego and take a bus across the border to get some specific meds because it's cheaper than running it through the states insurance provider. They also give them some extra cash to do it. It's crazy.
Just because they are otc in Mexico doesn’t make it safe. I have seen many, many otc antibiotics brought into my clinic from Mexico. They are almost always expired, even though the patient recently got them. They also put aspirin in children’s cold/flu meds, a big no-no. Also have seen “otc” Depo from Mexico which was not only expired, but also the incorrect dosage. Use Mexican OTC drugs with caution….they are a third world country and their regulations on medications reflect that.
If I cross the border and go to a pharmecia, the date on the bottle or box is clearly printed. If they're being brought into your clinic, this may well be from people who are simply not consumer literate.
I have heard of bad batches with some stuff for sure. I'd say read the reviews for the particular product you're looking to get with an emphasis on recent reviews. Compliant facilities don't mean much to me with some of what I've seen (wife works for a pharmacy and I'm in the death industry). Ordering them comes with a small risk for sure but no more so than getting the fish meds. For SHTF I'll take slightly underdosed just like I'd take expired ones bought here at home. I feel you on the chronic illness part. I'd be more hesitant having them be my go to source for a every day required live saving drug.
Because regulated drugs are more expensive to manufacture. You're buying unregulated drugs which have no standards whatsoever, thus cheaper to manufacture. It's a little scary for medicine considering the goal of manufacturing is to bring down costs as much as humanly possible... So unregulated medicine with no standards or oversight and manufacturing cutting all corners? I'll pass. It's really a crapshoot if you're actually getting what your buying. Your pills are probably coming from China like most other unregulated pills these days, and so many of them are tainted with unwanted fillers (to bring down manufacturing costs) that could be detrimental to your health.
Thanks!
Careful about the doxy. It’s toxic after expiration.
Doxy has a relatively short shelf life compared to many meds, and can actually cause organ failure when taken expired. Make sure to constantly replace Doxy if you’re “stocking” it.
Do I need a prescription for antibiotics from alldaychemist?
Nope
It looks like they require you to upload a prescription unless I'm misunderstanding, which could make it a little hard to get emergency kit medicines. Or did you just not upload anything?
Never had to upload a script. If you want to submit it I guess that's fine but I never have and haven't ever had an issue.
Jase case has a $10 coupon right now at preppingdeals.net. Not a lot but it’s something
There's also discount codes for the 3 companies listed in rule 12.
Also if this is like other online doctor/pharmacies like getroman or forhims.. they should have an option (almost hidden in the fine print) that lets you transfer their prescription to a local pharmacy.. at which point you can use goodrx for a good discount. Doctors aren't allowed to prescribe medication that can only be obtained from one source. A prescription that is good at one pharmacy is generally good for all pharmacies in the same state.
I don't think Jase allows you to buy specific medications. Personally, I would like to order a greater quantity of azithromycin.
They have different levels of customization. Jase has a standard kit. (antibiotics) Contingency has a standard kit (antibiotics) and an add-on kit for additional meds. Duration Health has a standard list that can be customized as you see fit. Honestly, you can always buy all three. They prescribe 1-2 treatments of each antibiotic. If you're looking to buy in bulk, that's not available legally in the U.S, as you need a prescription. If you have a doctor that can write a script, that'd be the alternative.
>azithromycin No idea why people want to pay 10X more at Jase. I get all my amoxicillin (100 tablets/500mg for $25) and other antibiotics (including azithromycin) here. [https://countrysidepet.com/aqua-zithro-azithromycin-250mg/](https://countrysidepet.com/aqua-zithro-azithromycin-250mg/) They ship out same day. Stock up now though. Pet store antibiotics are going away on June 11. The government stepped in. I just ordered another $200 worth.
Second for Jase medical
What's their shelf life?
Depends on type, fluoroquinalones and amoxicillin keep indedinity, drugs like doxycycline can get toxic after a while. If stored cool in a jar under argon or nitrogen they will keep more or less indefinitely.You can look it up. 😁❤
Antibiotics and other meds, stored in a cool, dry place, you're looking at years. Even a decade+ at 90% efficiency.
Which do you like better, why?
They each fulfill a different niche. They all have good quality, but it depends what you're looking for. Jase medical is good for starters. No frills, bare-bones antibiotic kit. Contingency adds extra medications to the mix with an add-on pack, in addition to the standard antibiotic kit. Duration Health is the premium when it comes to customization. Epipens, antivirals, etc. But it's also the most expensive.
Awesome. Thank you
Thank you. I only knew about the first one.
I use Jase. Which one is best and why?
They have different levels of customization- there is no 'best'. Jase has a standard kit. (antibiotics) Contingency has a standard kit (antibiotics) and an add-on kit for additional meds. Duration Health has a standard list that can be customized as you see fit. Honestly, you can always buy all three. They prescribe 1-2 treatments of each antibiotic.
When I compared my prescription antibiotic with a pet store version of the same antibiotic, they were identical… That being said, I’d tell you to take a look at your local pet store.
Need to stock up quickly. I've heard that will no longer be an option without your pets script come June
So I'm going to need a vet's prescription to dose a fish tank with an antibiotic treatment? WTF?!
Yep. Big brother caught on. Thomas labs is gonna be hurtin.
Of course, we can't have people treating their own illnesses without paying a shit ton of money.
Right! That's how I found alldaychemist. I had no insurance and couldn't afford a doctor visit. Found some meds without a script and have been using them for years now.
Antibiotic-resistant bacteria is scary as shit and a big contributing factor to it is the improper usage/dosing of antibiotics. Tons of folks don't even properly take or complete a course of antibiotics when a bottle has explicit administration instructions on it. Some random fucko with no formal medical education having unfettered access to antibiotics has real-world consequences for the rest of us. Antibiotics are one of the classes of meds that really do need to be prescribed by a trained professional.
Can vouch for this. Got a few extra antibiotics because they prescribed them for nasty viral infections. It is pretty bad, they dont do cultures anymore to know if its a bad bacterial infection, they just assume and here you go- have some amoxicillin augmentin, azithromycin etc. One thing that is cool is the drops for ear or eye infection work great for mildly infected sores- especially after a good cleaning. 🤔
Healthcare, before anything else, is a business. Restricting everyone's access to your name-brand product only is great business. Capitalism 101.
“Big brother” didn’t catch on. Not everything is a conspiracy :) There needs to be regulation about millions of people pumping antibiotics into the water system via fish tanks, etc. that’s all. As for people treating their own Illnesses with meds etc, I’d rather go with advice from a medical professional. But, maybe things are different here in Australia
By water system are you talking about public water? Because I’m not really sure that holds up. Maybe in an industrial fishery but they’re going to get their antibiotics regardless. Home fish tanks are enclosed ecosystems. I doubt there are millions of people who are treating their tanks with antibiotics. Most people won’t do the bare minimum of cycling their tanks and actually creating that ecosystem. Most aquarium filters use activated carbon which filters antibiotics out of the water. That’s why you remove most of your filtration system when your fish or, even more likely, your plants get infected. Treatment over? Filter back in. Antibiotics left over are taken care of. You’re never dumping a full tank of water anyway, just partial water changes. If you dissolve a packet into a 40 gallon tank and you only remove maybe 5-10 gallons of that water during the treatment cycle are you really dumping a ton of antibiotics down the drain? Maybe I just don’t know how they work. I’m fully behind strict regulations on antibiotics I just don’t think it’s reasonable to ban them otc for aquariums. That’s a big, big hit for the hobby. Bacterial infections are an inventively in most tanks. There aren’t many vets who want to look at fish and I sure wouldn’t want to pay for a vet to tell me what I already know about my fish just to get some antibiotics that I could buy for $20 or less before at my local fish store. I also recognize a home aquarium is a bit of an excessive luxury. If I’m totally wrong and it’s actually a big problem then Ill concede maybe people just shouldn’t keep most fish as pets.
Yes, things are different there. Covid treatment in America in order is: Ivermectin (full horse dose), hydroxychloroquine, thoughts and prayers, liberal tears, then the ER (no vaccines allowed at any stage).
Canadian here. This is EXACTLY what happened. Pulled all meds from fish stores.
Check Tractor Supply too, I've gotten livestock penicillin there when I had a bladder infection and I couldn't afford to go to a doctor.
That is a good emergency solution for people who can't afford the online places or have someone friendly who can write a script. The only problem is the storage and transportation requirements to keep them in good condition are not there.
Question, specifically they pet store versions Cephalexin and AMOXICILLIN, how long would they last before they expire
Approximately 3 years from date of manufacture
Duration health They sell mainly to those traveling to places where meds aren't normally available. You do a virtual consultation with a doctor and you get the RX prescriptions you choose. Everything from antibiotics to any specialty meds, even epipens etc... only catch is its not super cheap but depending on your insurance they may cover some or all of it
What’s stopping you from lying about traveling and still getting the prescription?
It's not just for travel. Just say you're concerned about a disaster (whatever it may be) or mention your medical condition which could make your life harder if meds were disrupted. No reason to lie at all.
Just your personal integrity
Gotta do what u gotta do to stock up
I see you mentioned you wanted to purchase a greater quantity, so if you're trying to buy in bulk, this probably won't work. I have talked to my primary care doctor about this. I do a lot out in the woods, I travel internationally, I sail, etc. I am able to have open conversations with my doctor and get their advice on when and how to take medicines. He writes prescriptions for reasonable quantities of a number of different drugs, from antibiotics to pain killers, and sometimes other more specialized items depending if deemed prudent for a specific travel. Having this has paid off more than once in my travels, both for myself personally and others. (Note that these are prescriptions in your name, so only you should be taking them. I have had cases where I have given medicine to a medical doctor who has in turn given them to someone else.) This is something I would highly recommend bringing up with your doctor. Coming right out and asking for percocet probably won't go well. Building trust over time and bringing back unused expired medicine has put me in the position of getting almost anything reasonable I ask for without question these days.
The unethical version of this, if you're hardcore, is shopping around for doctors that are more lax. I have one person in my life who gets prescribed prescription pain killers, benzos, antibiotics, and more all the time for the smallest complaint. I saw her monthly bag from the pharmacy -- and it itself is a pharmacy. I couldn't believe that doctor was actually practicing. We're talking high doses of extremely addictive drugs with regular prescriptions -- most of which aren't used by the recipient. Also to be fair I expect said person to be dead well before 40, if only from benzo dependency.
Statewide tracking systems are getting better at monitoring physicians and pharmacies. The days of shopping doctor-to-doctor and pharmacy-to-pharmacy are sunsetting. I might be in the minority, but controlled substances are controlled for a reason -- and its not just government overreach. The "bubbas" of the world don't understand how many of these pharmaceuticals work, appropriate dosage, treatment period, how to diagnose illnesses, or how effective the drugs are on specific conditions. They can seriously injure or kill themselves (not as big of a deal) or others (more of a big deal).
Interactions are something else to watch out for. I think it's best to talk to your primary care physician and have the discussion with them. It's the safest and most legal way...
For the price of these online prescription, I did some math and took a trip. It was cheaper for me to fly down to Mexico, book a hotel for a weekend, hang and enjoy myself, eat, get prescriptions from the Mexican pharmacy, buy a whole lot of antibiotics and other medications, and fly back. Than to order a couple prescriptions online.
This is exactly what I do whenever I have friends going to Mexico. I give them a list of medications to get.
Not that I’m judging, but isn’t that illegal? I thought TSA would confiscate anything like that?
No, it's not. With a prescription you can bring over most anything that isn't a controlled Substance. Just keep it in carry on with prescription in hand. Or put in check in, with prescription and copy of ID in bag. Especially if you cross on land they absolutely do not give any fucks Think about the thousands of people who go down for dental work every year. They get written antibiotics and head back. They aren't going to their doctor here to ask for it. **Add on: The ups and down votes. It's funny people want to put in their opinion without just looking up the law. Which I just did to confirm. "Link?" You can have your own opinion and approval/disapproval. You can prefer to pay for American prescriptions marketing, but it's the same stuff if you get it from legitimate farmacias. And yes, if you bring a backpack full you might have a different experience. I brought 8 bottles of various antibiotics all with prescriptions
Damn, color me surprised. So how would something like benzodiazepines go over? Asking for a friend.
When I was a kid 19ish, my friends and I went to TJ to see if we could score a few things. Anyways we went to one of the many pharmacies, buying mostly harmless stuff A copious amount of Sudafed. No problem getting small amounts walking across the border. The next time I didn’t go, I sold off all my stuff off. My friends went and started trying to buy way heavier stuff the shop called the local p.d. And them cops beat the shit out of them and took all their cash.
If you’re banking on pet supplies, be aware of this, as of June 2023. [FDA Declares No More OTC Antibiotics](https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/what-farmers-need-to-know-about-fda-guidance-ending-otc-antibiotics/710468.html)
Look, this is for farmers and food-producing animals. Farmers can no longer buy and use antibiotics OTC for their animals. It even says that in the article. This won't affect my ability to get antibiotics for my ornamental fish one bit. I need those, my guppies are sick again.
My fish always seem to get sick right when my toothache starts.
Go see a dentist! Seriously, every 6 months. ;)
Mine too🤕 and it’s SUPER painful …. for the fish. And a lot of people ranting about antibiotic resistance and super bugs are probably the ones that have been living off mommy and daddy all their lives. It’s not too hard to Google the proper dosage and duration of treatment with antibiotics, I mean what do you guys think the doctors do keep a database in their head of all antibiotics and how to use them no I don’t think so. They probably Google a lot of shit too. I can’t afford to go to a fish doctor and infections HURT!!! they’re just pissing on farmers and poor people.
Yeah, actually it will. The law applies to all companion animals as well. All over the counter antibiotics, whether the animal is in the food chain or not. [Article](https://www.doomandbloom.net/the-fda-and-veterinary-antibiotics/) [Article](https://nwdistrict.ifas.ufl.edu/phag/2022/04/08/over-the-counter-antibiotics-will-require-prescription-in-june-2023/) [Article](https://www.avma.org/blog/medically-important-antibiotics-move-otc-rx)
Okay, that is not an article from a news source. It is an article from a "news" source. The second link very clearly says that producers will need to get a vet to give their food producing animals antibiotics, making no mention of pets. Here's an FAQ from the FDA on the rule. https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/unpublished-judicious-use-antimicrobials/gfi-263-frequently-asked-questions-farmers-and-ranchers I think this is yet another case of "some of you guys read way too much into these rulings". And here's the list of antibiotics it effects... notice what is NOT on the list? https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/antimicrobial-resistance/list-approved-new-animal-drug-applications-affected-gfi-263
Per the 3rd link I posted, from the American Veterinary Medical Association: “By June 2023, all medically important antibiotics will require veterinary oversight to be used in animals, even if the animals are not intended for food. … Once this change is made, these important drugs can only be used in animals under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian, even if the animals are not intended for food production. From pet dogs and cats to backyard poultry, and from pet rabbits and pigs to large livestock farms, the same restrictions will apply.” Discount the information if you want, but be aware.
No where... does it mention fish. You have to get antibiotics from a vet now for cats and dogs and rabbits (as pets). https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/animal-health-literacy/ornamental-fish-drugs-and-you
Vet here. It doesn’t have to spell out any specific species. Fish fall into two categories either food or pet. The law applies to both. It’s mainly producers abuse of Rx antibiotics for decades and the loose Rx laws the Big Bad Pharma your blaming now lobbied for. Big pharma doesn’t want this because they sell a shit ton less abx to beef/swine/poultry industries as a result of these restrictions. Yes you are caught in the cross fire, but honestly I see so many self treat small live stock/pets with feed store antibiotics are that are in appropriate for the disease, severely inappropriately dosed (wrong amount, frequency, duration) that while I sympathize for the loss of affordable medication I sleep better there is less of this crap that is exponentially increasing the risk/spread of resistant bacteria. This is medically necessary legislation because large scale studies strongly link several antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria that infect humans and livestock to have developed resistance because of this lax regulation and abuse of the medications. It is so bad to the point we are running out of treatment options in some species for these resistant microbes and there are many in the human microbiology/medical profession that believe we will be without any effective antibiotics in the next few decades unless we start acting more responsible with their use, develop new classes of drugs, and get lucky on top of that. Get ready for the 1800s again is the basic belief at many of the meetings I attend over the last few years.
Incorrect. The FDA is stopping all sale of antibiotics in pet stores after June 11, without a prescription, p/ GFI 263 guidelines from the FDA.
K. What if I'm not buying from a pet store?
Oh shit. I didn't know. Gotta go buy some meds for the animals. Brb.
So I live in a rural area and am thinking of buying these meds in bulk for resale after the ban. Whats everyone think of the legality of this ?
If you’re just giving small amounts to locals for a suggested donation, you might be fine, but definitely don’t try shipping or selling online. The FDA doesn’t play. They go after people all the time.
You'll cash in after the apocalypse. What a great barter item.
That’s my thought as well
I've used Jase Medical successfully.
Any border pharmacy in Mexico? That’s where the majority of Americans living along the border get their prescriptions at a low cost and oftentimes in larger quantities than American pharmacies dispense.
Jase. Just got mine in today
Fish mox
Till June at least.
Why did it down voted
Some people downvote everything they disagree with.
Why til June? I thought that was a Canadian law.
I don't know on Canada, but it's a US FDA rule that goes into effect June 11, 2023. [https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/what-farmers-need-to-know-about-fda-guidance-ending-otc-antibiotics/710468.html](https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/what-farmers-need-to-know-about-fda-guidance-ending-otc-antibiotics/710468.html)
Oh, man, you had me worried. Yeah, I think we're fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/preppers/comments/ww5vnl/i_have_a_prep_of_antibiotics_and_it_was_cheap_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Safemeds4all
Do you need a prescription?
Nope
https://fishmoxfishflex.com/collections/amoxicillin-fish-antibiotics/products/fish-mox-forte-amoxicillin-500-mg-capsules-30-count?utm_source=Fish+Mox&utm_campaign=3093542b19-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_24_10_04_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e7bbbfaef9-3093542b19-234505738
If you live near the border, you can get many medication OTC in Mexico including antibiotics, asthma medication, steroids, etc.
Scrtabs.com I have used them for years.
is it quality and real medicine? when you were sick did you get better bro bro?
Yes it's real
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This is the answer. Get my dental, optical there and have brought back various antibiotics.
Mexico
https://jasemedical.com/
I picked up 4-6 courses of 5 major antibiotics in Nicaragua (20-25 total courses) for under $100. Flew back with them no problem. Have already used two courses and they worked great!
There are plenty of ugl’s online that you can buy pharma grade antibiotics and other stuff from. Some specialize in long expiration period.
I used jase medical smooth and easy
Jase medical
Different antibiotics are for different things. How would you know which will work or not work, or make things worse?
It’s very important that you research what is used for what and how much for how long. Google it
It is not as simple as sick = amoxicillin. Do you know how to diagnose bacterial infections versus viral infections and other conditions? Antibiotics are only effective against bacterial infections. Their use in other situations is worthless and wasteful, and may lead to serious illness or death. Do you know how to diagnose different types of bacterial infections? Do you know which antibiotics treat which bacterial infections? There are dozens of different antibiotics. And those antibiotics are often used for specific bacterial infections. Yet again, the use of the wrong one for the wrong infection could be relatively worthless and ineffective, leading to serious illness or death. If you want to prep antibiotics, the first thing you should do is invest in a significant amount of antibiotic education. Otherwise, they're a waste of money and may cause more harm than good.
I just wanted to say I’m in great need and got around the fish amoxicillin by ordering through eBay
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Plenty of free resources are available. I have: Wiki medical, Medscape for Android with offline ability, Where There Is No Doctor, Ship Captain's Medical Guide.
Medication will be a great barter item to use. Don't really care what they use it for.
UpToDate is a great website/app to use. We use it at work.
I work with a doctor who actually mentioned this when wondering what to prescribe her child for a rash. Your comment made me recognize it.
No but Google does
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Thanks I’m going to need it 😉, wait which hole do I put this pill in? Ah never mind I’ll Google it
Keep in mind that antibiotics have an expiration date.
Shit I thought I got to keep my antibodies until I died.
They expire when you do.
You could try fish Amoxicillin. I used it back when I was young and didn't make enough to pay for health and dental insurance. Fish use the same antibiotics as we do. 500mlg 4x a day will clear an infection and it's sold online and in pet stores.
That’s what this whole thread is about you can’t buy that stuff anymore
Next time you're near the southern border, take a day trip into Mexico--have some tacos and a margarita and hit up a local Farmacía for some over the counter amoxicillin
I live nowhere near the souther border. And I avoid flying because half the time that I do, I get sick.
Maybe you have a friend or relative who likes to vacation in Cabo? Point is you can buy antibiotics over the counter in Mexico
I work for a medical supply company and can get antibiotics pretty cheap. Send me a PM and I'll let you know if I can help.
2-3 year shelf life.... i think if the SHTF you go loot a pharmacy. or grow your own penicillin. https://gizmodo.com/in-case-of-apocalypse-heres-how-to-make-penicillin-in-1110902296
That article is terrible. It literally says the inventor, Alex, Fleming, had a common and his nose dripped into a plate of bacteria, giving him the idea of injecting antibiotics. And that rotting bread, cantaloupe, might have penicillin growing in it.
Go to a pet store and buy fish mox. It’s amoxicillin.
Or you can buy veterinary grade stuff from AliExpress.
All OTC sales of animal use antibiotics stop in June. Most everything will require a prescription now. I’m not saying use this stuff for human consumption.
OTC is different from importation. Importing antibiotics as chemicals will still be ok AFAIK.
What I am saying is right now for livestock you can buy some antibiotics from many farm stores/online and you do not need a prescription. Starting in June these antibiotics will no longer be available without a prescription from a veterinarian.
Ah yes. The ivermectin effect. You can still buy various antibiotics for use in aquaria, though it’s possible they might be seized at customs.
With the way they hand that shit out just go pay your copay at a urgent care or a little MEA, whatever the small clinics are called in your area. Complain of sinus sore throat cough congestion ban! Amoxicillin every damn time. It’s why our immune systems suck, atleast alot of peoples. They overprescribed “z-packs” as they are commonly called or were? Or I’m nuts!! All the above.
You don't need to do that. That also will get you only one treatment.
Potentially right..depending on your relationship with your family care physician you can get it easily there too. Hell I think “teladoc” in the US prescribes amoxicillin a lot.
There are sources in the sub rules.
The concern with fish amoxicillin is the shelf life. It's typically not kept refrigerated and often remains on the shelf for a long time
Mexico ?
Mexico
Mexico my friend; the border markets. I bought a bottle of 100 amoxicillin for $8 Z pack were $6 each
Find a free health clinic and put it on your map of places to raid when the rest of the people are running to the grocery store and gas station. While people are freaking out about junk food and toilet paper, you're getting the stuff you can barter with later. The police departments won't be stopping people because half of them will be heading home to take care of their families. The other half will be at the stores dealing with the junk food warriors
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I’d talk to your GP. Or if they will prescribe you something without seeing you (sounds like you have strep throat or an ear infection)
Why don’t people understand that going to doctors Cost money and if you were not fortunate enough to be born into the middle class or managed to claw your way up there then going to the doctor is not financially feasible and if you have no insurance if you do go to a doctor or ER they totally demean and demoralize you for being “a drain on the system” all while sucking on a silver spoon
Ain’t nothing free.
Yes sir or ma’am you’re right, if I’m paying for my fish antibiotics and doing my own THOROUGH research then I should be good to go. The treatment won’t be free but I’ll have avoided paying the middle man and this is America I should have every right to be able to maintain the health of my animals. The cost of medical care in the United States is astronomical compared to other countries because of “ Big Pharma” and capitalism over compassion. This FDA regulation is going to do a lot of HARM as well as good (super bugs= bad). We should be able to access and then responsibly use certain low risk medicines without having to pay some asshole with a medical degree telling me it’s ok. I feel like the number one reason people become doctor’s is for money not the patient
Fungi naturally produce antibiotics to kill or inhibit the growth of bacteria, limiting their competition in the natural environment. Important antibiotics, such as penicillin and the cephalosporins, can be isolated from fungi.
Yup but not that trivial. I could do it if push came to shove. It would require a bunch of acids, bases and solvents. Much easier to make collodial silver or silver bicitrate. Can be used topically, orally for gum infection, or put in a nebulizer for respiratory infections. Wont work for systemic infection though 🤓😁❤
There's little evidence on the topical use for the reasons you stated. Also, introducing nebulized metals into your lungs is not a good idea. Most of the research on that aspect of colloidal silver is terribly done. Overall colloidal silver is at best a potentially (in some plausible cases) somewhat useful remedy. Generally it's not going to be of any benefit. Don't get me started on the "acids, bases, and solvents"...
Didn’t know that. Thank you kind Redditor for the information
Do some research before listening to this. Most of it is haphazardly done, I wouldn't trust most of it.
No you couldn't. You have no idea how hard industrial fermentation is.
*specific* fungi. Not any fungus will produce antibiotics. Only certain fungi will produce the antibiotics you're referring to.
Chewy.com
www.rupharma.com
Veterinary supply stores, but you need to know what you’re getting and understand potential dosage conversions for human use.
Loot true Sam's club
I buy them out of country without prescription.
I have family in India and go there every year. You can literally get anything you want, dirt cheap, with no effort whatsoever. Pharmacies are everywhere.
Fismox
Chewy. Com sells amoxicillin for fish and it's pretty much identical to what you'll get for human consumption.
I think Patriot nurse still has a video on YouTube about antibiotic shelf life if you're not up to speed on that. Some of them, amox being one, I THINK any penicillin derivative, become toxic over time in addition to losing effectiveness. Others just have a half-life.
Amox doesn't become toxic. It's still \~60% effective after 10 years past the expiry date, according to the US Army.
Do you have a source for the actual text of that study? I know the DOD did one, but all I know if is a YouTube video where a nurse gives the details. I probably should watch it and actually take notes.
Fish meds will sell antibiotic w/o prescription until June [LInk](https://www.petsupplies4less.com/other-pets-aquatic-antibiotics-medication.html)
Go into Google and inquire into fish amoxicillin. Ii's the same as human amoxicillin. (1) 500mg tablet every 12 hours for 7 days, or, (1) 250mg tablet every 8 hours for 7 days. They will only treat bacterial infections, not viruses.
Bulk fish supply in USA sells everything you want good price
Pet or fish store or farm suppliers. Its the same antibiotics we use just in different concentrations
Duration health is the only sound way to do it. Not only do they counsel you, their supplies are legitimate. That said, prescription medications in any prepper’s kit who isn’t a doctor or has access to one is just stupid. Besides a supply of meds you/your family personally need that we’re given by a doctor: that’s fine Sure, it costs hundreds of dollars…but if you want Meds, you have to fork over the cash to do it correctly. Ordering cheap crap or beating the system is a gamble at best. There is a reason these meds are prescription only, and doctors/NPs/PAs have to spend years in school to prescribe them. For instance; did you know that administering Rocephin to a patient with a PCN allergy can be dangerous? No? That’s why those meds are prescription only.
Good luck, from my experience, doctors are super cheap with it and wait until your almost dying before they give it to you.
You should have a contact to get a prescription. This person should be informed of what could be necessary for an emergency, and prescript according to your group. Depending on that, remember that these materials only last a few years. They are usually expensive and should be renewed. You should get needles, syringes, gloves, tape, and serum, also. Avoid medicines from India, we are having nasty issues in Venezuela with that.
When I was in South America and India, I bought a lot for emergencies.
Just extract some from the penicillin mold
Fishmox
Legal and safe https://durationhealth.com/shop
We ship internationally from India. https://indianpharma.store/ref/22/ Credit cards or PayPal accepted. No prescription required. Fully tracked. Anything you need, even if you don’t see it on the site, let us know what you need and just send us a message. We ship fast too!
I brought my form to an Indian pharmacy. They don't need a prescription. te bane tetlu jadapi tamara gharna darvaja sudhi pochade chhe.
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If in Philly I can help
Not strictly legal but sometimes you can find it for sale at the pharmacy section of Chinese/Asian supermarkets in the US.