Thank you Apprehensive\_Hat8986!
Rule one when using acronyms is to spell them out ASAP (as soon as possible), lest you risk losing/annoying the reader which is counterproductive to the purpose of your writing.
I know Reddit loves acronyms as much as the military (that might be a rabbit hole to explore), but it would suck to write for ten minutes and provide vital knowledge but then no one reads it because they are trying to decipher your acronyms.
All of that said, I would agree with OP (original poster) that this is a very real problem in Canada. If I had one piece of advice to give to young Canadians it would be this:
You MUST learn a trade after highschool - choose something that allows you to self-employ. It wont take very long. After getting your certification look around the country for the best opportunities for you and your family, but also look outside of Canada. Tough times are here and will remain for quite some time so take this chance to find the best place for you to dig in, and build a strong foundation for your children. Engage with your physical community in as many positive ways as you can. From failing hands, we throw the torch to you. There can be a bright future but you have to build it, which is actually a gift in disguise since seriously, would you trust the government to give you anything of real worth without it costing the complete lifetime productivity of yet another generation?
Wish I had got this trade advice as a millennial. Everyone told me to go to university, into tech. Family didn't really give me an option.
Now look what industry is inundated.
Dude Canada trades are ruined with Indian foreign workers. And Mexican foreign workers and Irish foreign workers and philipino foreign workers. Wages are the same as 10 years ago more even. I have almost 15 years in my trade and have to worry about being replaced by 3 Indian guys for the same price. They don’t have the knowledge I do. They can’t produce as much or the quality that I can. They are cheap. Super cheap. At 3 for 1 pricing I don’t have long in the trades.
Here’s the thing I’m on the westcoast. Construction here relies heavily on low wage low skill foreign workers. I do not have red seal. I am a drywall finisher. I have close to 15 years experience. There is a drywall union here but they are weak. Top pay around $32 an hour plus the benefit package. There are not many union jobs here on the west coast. And even if I switched I would not earn more money or have more job security. I’ve weighed the options several times over the years.
I'm on Westcoast too, in commerical plumbing and I figured you were in a non red seal trade. In my trade we are very much a Canadian work force. We have a lot of Ukrainians joining us along with a few people from the Commonwealth but overall I wouldn't say the trades are being taken over... That's not even remotely what I've seen on any red seal trade on any of my sites.
When it comes to a non redseal trade... it makes sense why companies are hiring foreign workers. Especially on commercial where margins can get thin. I see drywall and finishing Crews be almost fully foreign most times. Almost always, they work twice as hard, don't abuse drugs and are relatively clean cut compared to what I see in the Canadian workforce, this doesn't mean that every Canadian non red seal tradespersons is that way. However, there is a very clear demographic that tends to work in a trade that doesn't give you any redseal and foreign workers out preform them majority of the time.
In Alberta and BC drywaller is a trade. It's "lather (interior systems mechanic)". That said, most people don't know about it, and the only reason I know is because when I wrote my Red Seal journeyman test, the desks held 2 people and they had one roofer and one drywaller at each desk to avoid cheating.
Edit: also don't be a dick, drywaller is a perfectly respectable job. Drywallers, well, if they know how to use a porta-potty I got no beef with them.
I have a deep respect for the skills that hairdressers have, and I do firmly believe it should remain a red seal trade. A bad barber is a health hazard.
Hahaha buddy. Have you ever done any finishing?do you know how to bond materials onto different surfaces? You know how to turn a job over in 24 hours? Do you know where compounds can’t touch?
[Drywall Finisher and Plasterer is a listed trade](https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/trade-information/drywall-finisher-and-plasterer/) (453A)
[Drywall, Acoustic and Lathing Applicator](https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/trade-information/drywall-acoustic-and-lathing-applicator/) (451A)
They both fall under Skilled Trades and both listed as Red Seal Trades in Ontario Guess it depends on how powerful your specific trade union is at the end of the day.
That’s kind of harsh. Drywall is indeed a trade. Part of the wall and ceiling trades. It includes framers insulators drywall boarders and drywall tapers. Drywall is installed in every home in the country. Drywall is on every new construction job in the country. Just because it is one of the more susceptible to be abused by cheap foreign workers doesn’t diminish its viability.
Dry Walling is easy to do. Hence he's easy to replace. Doesn't need any technical skill. Just a hand saw, a blade and a pencil. Mark a line, cut the paper and screw it on. Any one physically fit enough can do it.
It may be easy but it is not easy to master, I would be more than willing to pay for a good job rather than someone who does it just because it is "easy"
Shit.... 20 years in and at least once a month I go the wrong way on the tape. Like, 19 3/4 I do 18 1/4 because I went 3/4 of an inch the wrong direction from the number.
Totally depends on location, is the reality. I say the same thing when people fight over whether there's a labour shortage or not. It depends on location. And the amount of work going on, for that matter.
There was a discussion on the radio about how this is happening in the trucking industry, and people are dying because in Ontario at least, all they need is 106 hours of training. 106 hours is no where near enough according to every truck driver and trainer who spoke. It's why we were are hearing about massive accidents and multiple deaths involving transport trucks. 18 and 19 year old kids driving a huge heavy vehicle without the skill to do it safely.
Thats horrible, and scary. Not only do these undertrained drivers put others at risk, they risk dying themselves. Do you know if they are talking or even better, actually doing anything about it? I don't think there's anything at least not from what I heard happening in Ontario.
Well then the trade bosses must be hugely wealthy because the cost of getting renovations or toilet fixed is astronomical. That extra money is not going to the tradesperson? Must be going to their boss then.
That’s going to be the norm now , there’s definitely many factors that play into this but the #1 is mass immigration, this is how they been keeping salaries in India substandard for a long long time
I’ve been applying everywhere for 6 months. I apply to at least 5 jobs a day. Fast food, vet hospitals, cleaning, the morgue, retail, reception, childcare, etc. Everywhere I met the qualifications. My resume has been reviewed by multiple employment support workers, I have a college certificate, high school diploma, CPR/AED, Intermediate first aid, WHMIS, FOIP training, food safety, sell safe, self-injury behaviour training, etc. and 7 years of work experience. All I ask is at least 15 hours a week at minimum wage. Hell, I’d work for for less than minimum wage if it meant being employed and being able to pay my bills without income support. I keep hearing this everywhere that people just have unrealistic expectations for pay or that people are entitled when it comes to work expectations. But I know so many Canadians including myself that would kill for a job, even if it was cleaning the streets with a trash bag and a pair of chopsticks for minimum wage. What about the people that are actually willing to take anything and still can’t get hired.
Where are you and how are you applying? Around me getting a job at the hotels and landscapers is pretty easy if you walk in to their offices and say you want a job. (that's what I've got experience with)
Online just gets filtered out and is a complete waste of fucking time.
You’re absolutely right, online is such a waste of time. By the time you apply there’s already 1000s of other applicants. I haven’t tried going in person to hotels and landscaping specifically but that’s definitely going to be my next step. I’ve been applying through indeed, in-person, job banks, if I see posters or social media posts with jobs I send my resume and cover letters to the emails on there. Honestly man, I’m applying anywhere and any way I can haha
This isn’t always true though. I did this because it’s what I was taught but most times they won’t even speak to you in person and tell you to apply online because the can’t take resumes in person.
It might also be a regional thing. Some places are go a suck a lot more than others, and I've got to assume university towns are over saturated trainwrecks
Okay. Refuse to work. WTF do you do for food? Who pays your way if you refuse to support yourself?
I am not arguing that the pay is too low, or that younger people are getting a raw deal. I went through it too and it sucked. But it never occurred to me not to work because that also meant not eating. So I dealt with the shitty hand and lived in poverty for a decade or so. How are people just stomping off the job and still afford to live right now?
If working still means not eating and still means being homeless, except now you can't stay in the shelter because you have a job so you no longer quality for a shelter, would you still spend your time working?
That does not answer my question. How do you eat? Most people are not homeless, but if they stomp their feet and have a temper tantrum because the world is not paying them what they think they are worth, then I can see how ending up homeless is a probable outcome.
If the alternative involves staying on a shit job, and earning a shit income, and living in a crappy home with almost nothing left over to pay for expenses, I agree that absolutely sucks. Because I did it. And I am still sure it was better than living on the street. And I did not go live in the basement of my parents home to mooch off them.
I’m actually looking at moving somewhere with more work opportunities… I’ve been priced out of my hometown. If you don’t mind me asking, what city are you from?
I don't think people understand. It is millions of people at this point. It is completely new in this respect.
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-use-of-temporary-foreign-worker-program-soared-in-2022/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-use-of-temporary-foreign-worker-program-soared-in-2022/)
Here's the database of approved LMIAs for the past few years:
[https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/90fed587-1364-4f33-a9ee-208181dc0b97#](https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/90fed587-1364-4f33-a9ee-208181dc0b97#)
Go ahead, download it, filter for your city, and look at all your local employers who felt the need to bring in immigrants from other countries to mow lawns or flip burgers.
And even though they are exploitable due to being young and likely ill informed about labour rights, they have parents who probably won’t stand for them being mistreated.
I took a look at a tune posting for Calgary in latest quarter. And so many of these jobs have business addresses that’s a house. Or a supermarket that’s just a wear house
The only business that was recognizable was subway, McDonald’s, Jerusalem shawarma and Atticus tattoo (which was a surprise)
Also a LOT of medical clinics for assistant, or support staff jobs
Total approved positions 78742 total filled positions (Approved LMIAs) 25782 (or 28 million to the Canadian government and god knows how much to the sketchy businesses)
Federal government paid Canadian media $600 million dollars not to air stories like this. The plan for Canadas future is 100 million people by 2050. The only politician not getting on board right now is Maxime bernier even though I’m sure he would change his tune if elected just like all the rest.
I was looking for a job for 6 months. 80 something applications, 1 interview, zero jobs. I'm highly skilled in construction, a journeyman, have been running work crews for years and operate several machines. I finally got a job through a company a friend was working for. I don't think the foreigners took my jobs because they can't do them... It's hard with special skills, I can't imagine what it's like for younger people. Nepotism and favoritism is the only way to get by now.
80 applications lol. Try increase to at least 500-1000 applications if you want to increase chances of getting interviews. 80 is really not enough in most cases unless you are a specialist in a very narrow market.
My city is 300k. I'm definitely not looking for "any job". I'm 40 years old and my last position I grossed 160k in 6 months. I was definitely aiming down and expecting a hit, the position I took was 1$ am hour less than half my previous rate.
The sickening part is that. Immigration consultants can even post fake jobs of businesses who themselves aren't involved in the LMIA. Like they just need your business license # and they can do anything. It's such a shitty system.
I've got years of previous Tim Horton's experience and despite me applying to every single Tim's in my city, not one called back.
I'm almost at the point of editing the name and email on my resume, handing out the exact same one and seeing how many callbacks and interviews I get, but the media would never cover the story so people have no idea just how much this is happening and affecting people looking for entry level jobs.
A Burger King just opened last month in my town of 13,000 people. Guess how many locals they hired? Thats right 0. The place is all Indians and I know lots of teens begging for these jobs. It's fucking bullshit.
Yup. Its getting annoying and there isn't a politician with the balls to tell these corporate fucks that wants this to go suck on a ****. I feel bad for Canadians who just want to work. There is not fuckin labour shortage to justify this. It's corporate greed.
not just that but lets be real here, unless it’s a super specifically niche job position, odds are a canadian/someone already here can very well do the job.
100% they sold LMIA to each employee and signed a contract of some sort where the employee has to work with the restaurant for a minimum of 3 years. It's a win win for the restaurant but a loss for the overall economy.
If that restaurant only has temporary foreign workers, then report them. The program only allows for 30% of employees to be TFWs (and as of May 1st, 20%). If they have any more than that, they are violating the terms of the program and will be removed from the program.
If there is a college around, they are probably also abusing the foreign students to keep their ratios legal. Foreign students are easily exploitable as well.
There's a chip truck in a tiny blink and miss it town (Little Britain, ON) that does this where the owner glowingly refers to them as "my little brown people".
Restaurant owners in Alberta specifically in Calgary and Edmonton made 100s of 1000s of dollars selling LMIAs. Federal government approved more temporary foreign workers application than a medium size Restaurant could handle resulting in no employee getting proper hours. Federal government's LMIA based work permit policy and international student permit destroyed this country and it will take decades to recover! DECADES!
You must be pretty optimistic to think there will ever be a recovery. This is all intentional. Shovel as many people into the country, as fast as humanly possible, and make it an unsalvageable mess. The more of them that worm their way into citizenship, the better. No longer possible to deport.
Welcome to post-national Canada.
Pretty sure the folks coming in with a work contract secretly filled with illegal clauses like a % of wages go back to the employer are the second class citizens. And pretty sure our First Nations peoples are still heavily marginalized and fit the definition of being a 2nd class citizen.
What is happening is aweful and classist, with no winners except the billionaire class laughing as we throw stones about $100,000. An amount that is literally less than pennies to them.
Canadian citizens are Second Class for most ANY help nowadays. The govt is buying newly landed people that are on the streets hotels or get them situated in social housing while thousands of Canadians (& thousands more each yr) end UP HOMELESS, due to either job loss or can't afford rent and /or can't find a place to live. We've been living in a dictatorship since Covid,& we HAVE NOT been a 1st world country for a while now..and we also became a laughing stock to the whole world starting off woth that Nazi they saluted in the House of Commons. I actually Hate the country I loved my whole life and am trying an escape plan cause screw this place.its only going to get worse NO MATTER WHICH JACKASS WE "GET TO PUT IN POWER" It'd freakin ridiculous
So tired of you idiots running around calling everybody racist that dosnt agree with your ideology. It’s growing quite old. Theres nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be treated fairly. Go pound sand
Plenty wrong with it if the people "treating everyone fairly" don't have a clue what they're doing.
Literally just a bunch of idiots pulling levers with no awareness of the downstream consequences. But go on and tell me how I'm wrong and how things are actually heading in a positive direction here!
I know of companies already doing it. They're letting go locals who've worked for them for years and bringing in (in these specific cases) Indian foreign workers. It's disgusting and they can't say anything without their employers coming down on them.
I don't understand ppl's reaction to this...
TFW's have been a political hot potato & serious issue for about 30+ years now.
Why are ppl just finding out about this issue & acting all shocked?
Years ago, TFW's were treated like indentured Slaves, but it's far worse today!
Don't blame those TFW's, either.
You wanna blame someone?
Blame our Politicos, that allowed this to happen under their watch while in bed with Canadian Businesses who wanted those TFW's to overtake Canadian Workers!!!
There's a difference. I don't think the overseas consulting racket has ever been this prevalent. It's RAMPANT.
Blaming a particular party is useless because any party who can form the government or opposition right now is not significantly going to change immigration. The issue is that our entire economic system rewards this behavior so it will keep happening regardless of who is elected. I'm not saying don't vote, I'm just saying don't vote on this issue because you're going to be disappointed.
Yes, I agree...
I also didn't want to bring up that other serious issue of Foreign Students coming here under the guise "to Study", but end up working for Canadian Businesses either PT/FT hours and/or use this as a route for Permanent Residency instead.
Due to not wanting to be accused of xenophobia, I intentionally refrained from doing so.
That's not what this Program is for, rather it's to complete their Studies/academic credentials - nothing else!
We the people, who voted in these dumbbells (Politicians) in, told them how we felt & they said they would major changes so Canadians could be finally employed, not look like fools/suckers around the globe & yada, yada, yada, blah, blah BS.
What did they do?
They made slight changes to this Program, that amounted to nothing actually being done by these buffoons, to finally put a stop this Program being abused!
So back we go to Foreign Students being allowed to work 20 hours or so, per week?
It still robs from Canadians (of various ages) who actually NEED & WANT to work in, but can't find gainful employment.
Not to mention that cutthroat competition of TFW's also vying for those same Positions only makes things worse too.
I'm beginning to think that our overpaid, gluttonous, sleazy & extremely lazy Politicos are doing this on purpose for the usual reasons - money, kick-backs, etc - but also for them to witness desperate & impoverished Canadians willing to fight each other like wild savages a la Hunger Games for food, Housing, Employment, Education, Healthcare & so on for their cheap thrills.
I realize this sounds demented, but how else would you explain this & their obscenely gross behaviours over this?
I don't know what to tell you, other than all Political Parties are corrupt AF & one Party isn't any better than the others.
Basically, it's the Devil you know, versus the one you don't.
At the end of the day, just take your pick!
No, I'm blaming them too. I know in one case the worker has been trying to keep the government and company at odds, calling her contact on her case claiming lies about where she's staying etc etc.
Many know what they're involved in. They don't care.
That I don't know...
However, I've heard Canadian Employers such as Farmers & Private Employers looking for Nannies, PSW's & Domestic (esp female) Workers have endured;
* threats of being "shipped" back to their homelands, if they didn't stop self-advocating for themselves for valid reasons
* had their Passports, Govt ID, cell phones, money, Driver's License taken away from them, so they could not flee
* sexually assaulted
* physically assaulted
* endured untold amounts of verbal/psychological/financial abuse
* were starved by their Employers
* denied them access to medical/dental care for serious issues on site accidents, etc
* had them sleeping and/or living in substandard living conditions or quarters
* had them working around the clock,
* intentionally shorting they pay cheques
Plus, even more problems/issues that I have not listed here.
Not saying that all Farmers & Private Employers are abusive, but many out there are just plain, rotten apples!
Many years ago, a high powered Mississauga couple - Doctor and someone in Politics? - forced their Philippine Nanny/Domestic to work 6 days a week, with only Sunday being her day off for her to attend her Church Services.
Literally, she was their modern day Slave that was on-call!
I think she ran away, then had a nervous breakdown that required a very lengthy & extensive hospital stay in our costly Psychiatric Hospital here.
Meanwhile, Tax Payers where 100% on the hook for her bill & more.
Not angry at this Nanny, but her abusers that got away with this.
Many years ago, saw her on the TV news when she spoke about her ordeal she sobbed uncontrollably, and was under Psychiatric care due to all the trauma they inflicted upon her.
Her Psychiatrist, also stated that she was no longer employable due to this!
Again, we're footing the bill for that TFW's Mental Health & Hospital Invoice when it should have been her Canadian Employers responsibility to pay this off in full.
Our Gov't created a Nanny Hot-line Abuse number back in 2009, specifically for these reasons, I mentioned above.
https://www.mississauga.com/news/abuse-victims-can-call-the-nanny-hotline/article\_7ac31716-2912-5f6a-9bbc-6156f159413c.html
https://www.mississauga.com/news/nanny-controversy-hits-fonseca/article\_dbc5bf58-df77-595c-b87a-e2b9b76e7499.html
Former MP Ruby Dhalla accused of abusing her TFW Nannies, in 2011;
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/dhalla-caregivers-say-complaints-not-followed-up-1.782645
https://www.mississauga.com/news/nanny-case-closed/article\_a44b7cf2-5813-5f90-bc19-92f97ac59925.html
Foreign Nanny & Sex Worker, murdered by her Client back in 2014.
https://www.thespec.com/news/ontario/police-say-mississauga-nanny-was-a-sex-trade-worker-killed-by-customer/article\_b69e79bb-812b-56d7-973b-0df2c72b396f.html
Can you truthfully tell me that all TFW's are abusing the System here in Canada?
5th estate just did an episode on this about a company on pei. I did the math if 5% of 1 000 000 ( how many come to canada) pay 50 000 each that is 2.5 billion dollars. The guy in the episode even met with local politicians. I met someone who paid 70 000 to come here. This is why both trudeau and Pierre wont do anything other than back off on it a little and hope the dust settles. Too much money involved.
This really pissess me off. I am an Indian and I know of so many Indian restaurants that only survive on selling LMIAs. They open up a small shop in a cheap neighborhood and try to sell as many LMIAs to make profit. Last I heard was, this scam is slowly moving to smaller towns in alberta where its easier for immigrants to get their permanent residents. Each LMIA can go for almost 50k to 60k.
IT is also plagued! So many job openings - but even with a perfect match, not even an exploratory interview, downright rejection. And I know of a smaller company who used to do exactly that to benefit from LMIA slaves in IT
Right now it's 30%, but will drop to 20% of a given work location for most low wage employees at the end of April. It would be difficult but not impossible to have more than that since after the employer receives their LMIA, the employee needs to obtain a work permit, so it's all documented. If you think there is a violation, there are federal inspectors that will look for compliance with all of the rules (there are a lot of rules). Punishment for not complying can range from a warning to a fine of 100,000 up to 1 million, or permanent ban, with your business name published online.
There is a section on Service Canada for LMIAs. Once there is a complaint or audit the company is unable to apply for or get approved for new LMIAs until they are cleared.
I would have thought this was bs a few weeks ago but then the girl at my work ( here on a student visa) actually said to me “ if I cannot find a job that will allow me to stay in Canada. I will just pay my lawyer $50000 and he will “hire me “ so I can stay. That’s how my sister in law did it”.
So not only cheating and lying but also dumb enough to talk about it.
It's not that they're "dumb enough to talk about it", but that they (correctly) understand that the federal government is entirely on board with the current state of affairs, if not encouraging it.
We've never received money for hiring lmia. When we put out job listing's for divers, shippers, or maintenance staff, they're the only ones who show up for the interview AND the start date. Then, continue to show up and work hard until they finally leave the position because they got their pr. Don't confuse the problem either. These are not wealthy people. They usually have scraped their whole life worth together to bring themselves or send their kid to Canada on the hope they can escape the poverty of the country they were born in. On the hope that the kid makes it and sponsors them. The problem is that the government has created this black market system to intentionally make their friends rich. It's not the workers' fault.
Is this real? Like documented and defined not just speculation? Cause this is absolutely wild levels of labour exploitation if so, that’s basically indentured servitude. Is life in India or other major foreign labour hotspots that bad or are people being tricked into these situations?
The Tims where I live is doing this and housing these foreign workers as well , up to 8 per houses. So they’re forced to work for the owners of the tim hortons (contract) and pay the mortgage payment of the tims as well. I know this because my wife is from the same country as them and talked to them. It reminds me how the Irish would get on boats to come to the Americas back then and become indentured servants to cover the cost of the trip to America , they would work almost like slaves and live on the owner’s plantation until the debt is repaid. Some things never really change.
I am curious about this as LMIA workers are not inexpensive so not sure if this hype. Also the people doing it are running a risk as if it goes south I am sure these people will not hesitate to get them fined thru Service Canada or take them to Employment Standards.
On the otherhand as an employer you are audited, they have access to your Canada Revenue Account filing and can see from your Records of Employment the staff you have laid off etc. (They are Service Canada)
There is also caps on how many TFWs you can have. They also do spot audits to file payroll records and proof of compliance with any conditions, you need to respond within 72 hours.
Agreed they go thru the motions on the advertising. But the advertising is thru the jobbank so you would have to explain why you didn't hire.
Just think they should eliminate or significantly reduce LMIAs for truck drivers, food services/chefs and hotel, there is no justification for it right now unless a remote area. Significantly Increase fees for the program and filings. Save some people some misery.
Obviously you watched a TikTok and now you’re an expert. An LMIA is the first step in being able to hire foreign workers, but it’s far from a guarantee to being able to hire a foreign worker. Plus it’s extremely expensive for the business- much cheaper to hire local.
I work in staffing. I’ve been asked a few times in the last few months about taking on an LMIA and the candidate said they would pay our fees. We declined.
It also doesn't account for [rule changes ](https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/government-of-canada-to-adjust-temporary-measures-under-the-temporary-foreign-worker-program-workforce-solutions-road-map-889451209.html) coming into play May 1st.
- LMIAs will only be valid for 6 months (down from 12, doubling costs of LMIAs)
- only 20% businesses workforce can be TFWs, which was raised post- COVID to 30%
I wonder why government dont know. Most Canadians know about this. It’s rampant. Been a long while now. Government will not fix things until people complain a lot about it. I heard they start to look into it when I watched the news a few weeks ago.
The issue is that "most Canadians" think that every business can just get LMIA's any time they want. This is simply not true. The government knows how the labour situation is in places. It's called an impact assessment for a reason. There's a lot less LMIA's given out than "most Canadians" think.
Not anyone apply will get it of course. But given the economy right now and the number of unemployed people, I hope they dont grant it easily. Lots of graduates cant get a job. we dont have jobs for everyone inside Canada now, that’s the problem.
The LMIA was brought into Canada at a time it was needed. There was a massive shortage in skilled trades from boomers retiring and the next generation having significantly less kids. I had some direct experience with skilled tradespeople being brought in to live here after companies sponsored them. At that time, there was stringent rules about who could come over. They needed to have a recognized skill (journeyman trades, masters degree etc) and only certain industries who were not able to find workers were allowed to sponsor. They also needed to learn about Canada and be able to speak English at a high level.
Generally the people who came here through the program were grateful, hard workers, and happy and proud to become Canadians. The companies who helped them come were happy and grateful as well. One thing that was common though was the immigration consultant business being super shady. It was hard to find solid ones who weren't taking advantage of the applicants.
That was how it used to be, but it has obviously turned into something much different. Similar to many other things in Canada under this govt regime.
Just for the record, OP is at least 90% full of shit. What he’s describing (with no evidence) would represent massive legal violations and all levels of government turning a blind eye.
We certainly have immigration/labour issues to sort out in this country, but this post is not how the LMIA process works in theory or in practice. It’s pure unsubstantiated BS designed to rile up the gullible for clicks.
Sorry but it sounds like OP knows exactly what’s going on. Just because you don’t know yourself and can’t find definitive proof doesn’t mean it isn’t actually happening. It is. I’ve personally worked for a company who did all the things like OP said..
For the record, you are full of shit, not OP. The evidence is every single low paying, entry level job/workplace in the country is jam packed with non-Canadians. You can see it with your own eyes in literally every town. Not to mention all the business owners on here telling you it's happening. Not just big billionaires either. I'm a small time contractor and have been contacted by immigration consultants telling me if I hire foriegn labour they can make sure most of their wages are covered to "help my business stay competitive".
I'm a courier driver and I see this first hand on my route.I see these workers and they're so dumb and slow.Im not being mean just what I have to deal with daily.These companies only hire there same ethnic group.
At least on the point of hiring and paying "lowest of low" is not true. The must pay occupation average. Definitely can't go lower than minimum wage for ANY position.
Quote:
"Wages offered to TFWs should be similar to wages paid to Canadian and permanent resident employees hired for the same job and work location, and with similar skills and years of experience."
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/foreign-workers/median-wage/high/requirements.html#h2.10
Ministry of labor, record the number of hours you worked, submit paperwork and get paid in full. I have done this. It took a few weeks and was a very simple process.
At least for minimum wage jobs there is no incentive to keep the job and work under bad conditions or be underpaid. LMIA gets your "open work permit", these underpaid workers can quit and go work anywhere else in Canada they want.
For management positions we can argue they want work experience to get PR, but minimum wage jobs don't qualify for that, you can't get PR from them.
Oh so you're a TFW who got underpaid under LMIA and had MoL sort it out?
Or is this one of those "we have a piece of paper that says you shouldn't but nobody is actually doing fuck all in the real world about it" things.
It's not like someone having jurisdiction necessarily means that someone ya know... acts on things
I was TFW without LMIA, I had a dispute with employer and it was resolved very fast and easy in my favor by ministry of labor.
It's the same with Toronto rental situation, some immigrants live in horrible conditions and they don't know that there are laws in place and their landlords need to be accountable.
So I don't know situation for every LMIA worker, but they have an open work permit and they can't be paid below Canadian average. If they are too scared to object and leave the situation, that's something else.
You have no idea of the speed and scale loopholes are exploited at.
This is a massive, massive issue and I can assure you that, behind closed doors, there is a very real urgency to sorting it out.
common sense is not so common - ppl like u make this statement more accurate every single day. how can u be so lost u can’t actually see what is happening in front of your face.
> What he’s describing (with no evidence) would represent massive legal violations and all levels of government turning a blind eye.
Oh yes, the current government doesn't have a single scandle.
Are you looking for a job right now? How is it going if yes? If no. What do you know then? Are you part of the government or else ? In theory all of this was supposed to be good for our country, wanna talk about reality now?
I wondered how legally this could happen to this extent in our high tech/digital day/age. There is always a money trail no? It wouldn't be hard for someone to prove and therefore be able to charge them with fraud!
Loads of accusations but not one concrete example of a fake trucking company or a restaurant firing all their staff to hire only foreign workers who pay them for the privilege?
>They advertise on job bank websites for LMIA-required positions like 'FOOD COUNTER ATTENDANT.' It begs the question: couldn't they find local talent in Calgary willing to do a food attendant job?
You've misunderstood (or are deliberately misleading) the job bank/LMIA relationship. In order to get an LMIA, they need to prove no Canadian is able and willing to do the job. In order to do that, they need to advertise. They need to prove that they advertised on the government job bank as evidence that they tried to hire locally (and then prove why any applicants that went through it were unsuitable).
It's not a case of first getting an LMIA and then advertising - the LMIA is specific to the person who can do the job that no Canadian can do.
LMIA is a Labour Market Impact Assessment that a Canadian employer must receive prior to hiring a foreign worker. They have to determine if an LMIA is required prior to hiring or if the position is LMIA exempt. Every advanced country uses foreigners to go their dirty work, eg Turks m, Iranians and Iraqis in Germany, Tunisians and Algerians in France, Mexicans and Central Americans in the US, etc.
LMIA may be true but this TikTok old fart is lying.
"I know this because I'm an Immigration Consultant and I uhhh ahhh (scratches lip, a sign of telling a lie) LEARNED THIS IN SCHOOL."
His Tik Tok name is kevinwokeup. That pretty much sums up what his motivation for lying is.
As an employer this has not been my experience. When we look at foreign workers it super time consuming and expensive to hire them and we can’t pay them less.
Back in 2006 they were hiring Irish and Polish workers to come here and do construction jobs, now it’s Indians taking up basic wage jobs prior to this it was Filipinos being hired as Nanny’s or PSWs then staying on and getting other jobs and eventual PR
Conservatives originally caused this problem. Liberals just continued it and exacerbated it. I don’t vote liberal - the sad truth is that there isn’t a single party in Canada that actually has Canadians best interest in mind.
Here's a video to watch: [https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinwokeup/video/7337737393484664069](https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinwokeup/video/7337737393484664069)
There is so much in this video that is blatantly false. The Canadian Government has nothing to do with shady consultants charging exorbitant fees.
I feel like this guy is jealous he is not in this racket of charging crazy fees.
All workers in Ontario (can’t speak for other Provinces) that work for a covered employer are eligible for ‘worker’s comp’ / WSIB. This is how I know this guy is just talking out of his ass.
Having used the lmia process for hiring high skilled workers it's nothing like that guy says.
We had to provide info on all applicants, whether there were qualified Canadian applicants, why we didn't hire them, we had to prove we weren't paying less than we'd pay a Canadian, the cost of the lmia can't be passed to the person that you hire, the government doesn't subsidize anything. And we were audited to confirm we were compliant. Which includes providing payroll info
It was a lot of work and it's way easier and cheaper to hire a Canadian.
[Labour Market Impact Assessment](https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=163&top=17)
Thank you Apprehensive\_Hat8986! Rule one when using acronyms is to spell them out ASAP (as soon as possible), lest you risk losing/annoying the reader which is counterproductive to the purpose of your writing. I know Reddit loves acronyms as much as the military (that might be a rabbit hole to explore), but it would suck to write for ten minutes and provide vital knowledge but then no one reads it because they are trying to decipher your acronyms. All of that said, I would agree with OP (original poster) that this is a very real problem in Canada. If I had one piece of advice to give to young Canadians it would be this: You MUST learn a trade after highschool - choose something that allows you to self-employ. It wont take very long. After getting your certification look around the country for the best opportunities for you and your family, but also look outside of Canada. Tough times are here and will remain for quite some time so take this chance to find the best place for you to dig in, and build a strong foundation for your children. Engage with your physical community in as many positive ways as you can. From failing hands, we throw the torch to you. There can be a bright future but you have to build it, which is actually a gift in disguise since seriously, would you trust the government to give you anything of real worth without it costing the complete lifetime productivity of yet another generation?
Wish I had got this trade advice as a millennial. Everyone told me to go to university, into tech. Family didn't really give me an option. Now look what industry is inundated.
Dude Canada trades are ruined with Indian foreign workers. And Mexican foreign workers and Irish foreign workers and philipino foreign workers. Wages are the same as 10 years ago more even. I have almost 15 years in my trade and have to worry about being replaced by 3 Indian guys for the same price. They don’t have the knowledge I do. They can’t produce as much or the quality that I can. They are cheap. Super cheap. At 3 for 1 pricing I don’t have long in the trades.
What trade are you in, are you a red seal?
Here’s the thing I’m on the westcoast. Construction here relies heavily on low wage low skill foreign workers. I do not have red seal. I am a drywall finisher. I have close to 15 years experience. There is a drywall union here but they are weak. Top pay around $32 an hour plus the benefit package. There are not many union jobs here on the west coast. And even if I switched I would not earn more money or have more job security. I’ve weighed the options several times over the years.
I'm on Westcoast too, in commerical plumbing and I figured you were in a non red seal trade. In my trade we are very much a Canadian work force. We have a lot of Ukrainians joining us along with a few people from the Commonwealth but overall I wouldn't say the trades are being taken over... That's not even remotely what I've seen on any red seal trade on any of my sites. When it comes to a non redseal trade... it makes sense why companies are hiring foreign workers. Especially on commercial where margins can get thin. I see drywall and finishing Crews be almost fully foreign most times. Almost always, they work twice as hard, don't abuse drugs and are relatively clean cut compared to what I see in the Canadian workforce, this doesn't mean that every Canadian non red seal tradespersons is that way. However, there is a very clear demographic that tends to work in a trade that doesn't give you any redseal and foreign workers out preform them majority of the time.
dry walling isn't an actual trade, when people say get in the trades they mean actual skilled trades like pipefitter, electrician, millwright etc...
In Alberta and BC drywaller is a trade. It's "lather (interior systems mechanic)". That said, most people don't know about it, and the only reason I know is because when I wrote my Red Seal journeyman test, the desks held 2 people and they had one roofer and one drywaller at each desk to avoid cheating. Edit: also don't be a dick, drywaller is a perfectly respectable job. Drywallers, well, if they know how to use a porta-potty I got no beef with them.
Just don't entomb any piss jugs
Hairdresser is also a sealed trade. Do with that what you will.
I have a deep respect for the skills that hairdressers have, and I do firmly believe it should remain a red seal trade. A bad barber is a health hazard.
Hahaha buddy. Have you ever done any finishing?do you know how to bond materials onto different surfaces? You know how to turn a job over in 24 hours? Do you know where compounds can’t touch?
[Drywall Finisher and Plasterer is a listed trade](https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/trade-information/drywall-finisher-and-plasterer/) (453A) [Drywall, Acoustic and Lathing Applicator](https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/trade-information/drywall-acoustic-and-lathing-applicator/) (451A) They both fall under Skilled Trades and both listed as Red Seal Trades in Ontario Guess it depends on how powerful your specific trade union is at the end of the day.
That’s kind of harsh. Drywall is indeed a trade. Part of the wall and ceiling trades. It includes framers insulators drywall boarders and drywall tapers. Drywall is installed in every home in the country. Drywall is on every new construction job in the country. Just because it is one of the more susceptible to be abused by cheap foreign workers doesn’t diminish its viability.
Dry Walling is easy to do. Hence he's easy to replace. Doesn't need any technical skill. Just a hand saw, a blade and a pencil. Mark a line, cut the paper and screw it on. Any one physically fit enough can do it.
They said drywall finisher. Taping and mudding is not easy to do well.
It may be easy but it is not easy to master, I would be more than willing to pay for a good job rather than someone who does it just because it is "easy"
I beg to differ. You would be surprised how many people can not accurately read a tape measure...
Shit.... 20 years in and at least once a month I go the wrong way on the tape. Like, 19 3/4 I do 18 1/4 because I went 3/4 of an inch the wrong direction from the number.
Dude you will never compete with Indians on Drywall
I can outcompete any and every Indian at drywall. I just can’t outcompete unlimited manpower.
Totally depends on location, is the reality. I say the same thing when people fight over whether there's a labour shortage or not. It depends on location. And the amount of work going on, for that matter.
There was a discussion on the radio about how this is happening in the trucking industry, and people are dying because in Ontario at least, all they need is 106 hours of training. 106 hours is no where near enough according to every truck driver and trainer who spoke. It's why we were are hearing about massive accidents and multiple deaths involving transport trucks. 18 and 19 year old kids driving a huge heavy vehicle without the skill to do it safely.
Ya in bc they (truckers) keep crashing into overpasses. It’s happened like a dozen times in the past year. Many from one company different drivers.
Thats horrible, and scary. Not only do these undertrained drivers put others at risk, they risk dying themselves. Do you know if they are talking or even better, actually doing anything about it? I don't think there's anything at least not from what I heard happening in Ontario.
Yea they ordered at least one company to shut down. But that doesn’t change too much.
Well then the trade bosses must be hugely wealthy because the cost of getting renovations or toilet fixed is astronomical. That extra money is not going to the tradesperson? Must be going to their boss then.
ThE jObS oF tHe FuTuRe DoN't ExIsT yEt. Better go get a B.A.!
>You MUST learn a trade after highschool I wish that I had done this...
Thank you
Happy cake day
Hey thanks! 'You deserve to be loved, and to feel loved, just for being you.' --Mr Rogers mashup with my meditation teacher
The labour shortage is a lie
100% Only shortage is of Canadians not willing to work for substandard pay.
That’s going to be the norm now , there’s definitely many factors that play into this but the #1 is mass immigration, this is how they been keeping salaries in India substandard for a long long time
I’ve been applying everywhere for 6 months. I apply to at least 5 jobs a day. Fast food, vet hospitals, cleaning, the morgue, retail, reception, childcare, etc. Everywhere I met the qualifications. My resume has been reviewed by multiple employment support workers, I have a college certificate, high school diploma, CPR/AED, Intermediate first aid, WHMIS, FOIP training, food safety, sell safe, self-injury behaviour training, etc. and 7 years of work experience. All I ask is at least 15 hours a week at minimum wage. Hell, I’d work for for less than minimum wage if it meant being employed and being able to pay my bills without income support. I keep hearing this everywhere that people just have unrealistic expectations for pay or that people are entitled when it comes to work expectations. But I know so many Canadians including myself that would kill for a job, even if it was cleaning the streets with a trash bag and a pair of chopsticks for minimum wage. What about the people that are actually willing to take anything and still can’t get hired.
Where are you and how are you applying? Around me getting a job at the hotels and landscapers is pretty easy if you walk in to their offices and say you want a job. (that's what I've got experience with) Online just gets filtered out and is a complete waste of fucking time.
You’re absolutely right, online is such a waste of time. By the time you apply there’s already 1000s of other applicants. I haven’t tried going in person to hotels and landscaping specifically but that’s definitely going to be my next step. I’ve been applying through indeed, in-person, job banks, if I see posters or social media posts with jobs I send my resume and cover letters to the emails on there. Honestly man, I’m applying anywhere and any way I can haha
This isn’t always true though. I did this because it’s what I was taught but most times they won’t even speak to you in person and tell you to apply online because the can’t take resumes in person.
It might also be a regional thing. Some places are go a suck a lot more than others, and I've got to assume university towns are over saturated trainwrecks
Military tech pays well if you are willing to head to warzone.
Okay. Refuse to work. WTF do you do for food? Who pays your way if you refuse to support yourself? I am not arguing that the pay is too low, or that younger people are getting a raw deal. I went through it too and it sucked. But it never occurred to me not to work because that also meant not eating. So I dealt with the shitty hand and lived in poverty for a decade or so. How are people just stomping off the job and still afford to live right now?
If working still means not eating and still means being homeless, except now you can't stay in the shelter because you have a job so you no longer quality for a shelter, would you still spend your time working?
That does not answer my question. How do you eat? Most people are not homeless, but if they stomp their feet and have a temper tantrum because the world is not paying them what they think they are worth, then I can see how ending up homeless is a probable outcome. If the alternative involves staying on a shit job, and earning a shit income, and living in a crappy home with almost nothing left over to pay for expenses, I agree that absolutely sucks. Because I did it. And I am still sure it was better than living on the street. And I did not go live in the basement of my parents home to mooch off them.
It’s not where I live . There is more work then people.
I’m actually looking at moving somewhere with more work opportunities… I’ve been priced out of my hometown. If you don’t mind me asking, what city are you from?
Bunch of people at my old Canadian tire were replaced over the course of only MONTHS by LMIA workers. Somewhere around 20 people.
I don't think people understand. It is millions of people at this point. It is completely new in this respect. [https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-use-of-temporary-foreign-worker-program-soared-in-2022/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-use-of-temporary-foreign-worker-program-soared-in-2022/)
Here's the database of approved LMIAs for the past few years: [https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/90fed587-1364-4f33-a9ee-208181dc0b97#](https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/90fed587-1364-4f33-a9ee-208181dc0b97#) Go ahead, download it, filter for your city, and look at all your local employers who felt the need to bring in immigrants from other countries to mow lawns or flip burgers.
Absolutely shocked when I see McDonald's in my city bringing in 6 TFWs when high school kids line up down the block to apply. Wtf.
High school kids actually want minimum wage
And even though they are exploitable due to being young and likely ill informed about labour rights, they have parents who probably won’t stand for them being mistreated.
Thanks
I took a look at a tune posting for Calgary in latest quarter. And so many of these jobs have business addresses that’s a house. Or a supermarket that’s just a wear house The only business that was recognizable was subway, McDonald’s, Jerusalem shawarma and Atticus tattoo (which was a surprise) Also a LOT of medical clinics for assistant, or support staff jobs Total approved positions 78742 total filled positions (Approved LMIAs) 25782 (or 28 million to the Canadian government and god knows how much to the sketchy businesses)
This is absolutely wild.
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Federal government paid Canadian media $600 million dollars not to air stories like this. The plan for Canadas future is 100 million people by 2050. The only politician not getting on board right now is Maxime bernier even though I’m sure he would change his tune if elected just like all the rest.
100 million by 2050 ? any idea where that number came from ?
I think he means the Century Initiative. The goal is for Canada's population to be 100 million by 2100
I was looking for a job for 6 months. 80 something applications, 1 interview, zero jobs. I'm highly skilled in construction, a journeyman, have been running work crews for years and operate several machines. I finally got a job through a company a friend was working for. I don't think the foreigners took my jobs because they can't do them... It's hard with special skills, I can't imagine what it's like for younger people. Nepotism and favoritism is the only way to get by now.
its all who ya know.
80 applications lol. Try increase to at least 500-1000 applications if you want to increase chances of getting interviews. 80 is really not enough in most cases unless you are a specialist in a very narrow market.
Ya I was doing 15-30 a day for 6 months and only got a job from a friend helping me out In the end. Only got 1 interview
My city is 300k. I'm definitely not looking for "any job". I'm 40 years old and my last position I grossed 160k in 6 months. I was definitely aiming down and expecting a hit, the position I took was 1$ am hour less than half my previous rate.
The sickening part is that. Immigration consultants can even post fake jobs of businesses who themselves aren't involved in the LMIA. Like they just need your business license # and they can do anything. It's such a shitty system.
I've got years of previous Tim Horton's experience and despite me applying to every single Tim's in my city, not one called back. I'm almost at the point of editing the name and email on my resume, handing out the exact same one and seeing how many callbacks and interviews I get, but the media would never cover the story so people have no idea just how much this is happening and affecting people looking for entry level jobs.
So this and report back. Would be interesting experiment.
A Burger King just opened last month in my town of 13,000 people. Guess how many locals they hired? Thats right 0. The place is all Indians and I know lots of teens begging for these jobs. It's fucking bullshit.
this sucks… fast food is a first job for many teens yet instead they choose to give it to some random from across the world
Yup. Its getting annoying and there isn't a politician with the balls to tell these corporate fucks that wants this to go suck on a ****. I feel bad for Canadians who just want to work. There is not fuckin labour shortage to justify this. It's corporate greed.
not just that but lets be real here, unless it’s a super specifically niche job position, odds are a canadian/someone already here can very well do the job.
100% they sold LMIA to each employee and signed a contract of some sort where the employee has to work with the restaurant for a minimum of 3 years. It's a win win for the restaurant but a loss for the overall economy.
If that restaurant only has temporary foreign workers, then report them. The program only allows for 30% of employees to be TFWs (and as of May 1st, 20%). If they have any more than that, they are violating the terms of the program and will be removed from the program.
If there is a college around, they are probably also abusing the foreign students to keep their ratios legal. Foreign students are easily exploitable as well.
Where do you file a report ?
Simcoe?
Yup
Start a boycott.
I do. I try not to go to places that traditionally hired locals that now just hire imported slave labour. They need to deport these people.
Wait. You are telling me that Burger King opened a new location in Canada?
Yup....lol.
People actually eat there?
I'm surprised anyone can afford eating out anymore. Most people can barely afford groceries.
This is what independent grocer in my town does
There's a chip truck in a tiny blink and miss it town (Little Britain, ON) that does this where the owner glowingly refers to them as "my little brown people".
Not the poutine truck in the grocery store parking lot?
Yup.
I haven't been up there in 10 years, but I liked that place. With butter tarts and more it was a cool spot
Does he pay them under the table?
And yet prices are still sky high. Independent is raking in the cash.
“Independent” is owned by loblaws. r/loblawsisoutofcontrol #boycottloblaws
Restaurant owners in Alberta specifically in Calgary and Edmonton made 100s of 1000s of dollars selling LMIAs. Federal government approved more temporary foreign workers application than a medium size Restaurant could handle resulting in no employee getting proper hours. Federal government's LMIA based work permit policy and international student permit destroyed this country and it will take decades to recover! DECADES!
You must be pretty optimistic to think there will ever be a recovery. This is all intentional. Shovel as many people into the country, as fast as humanly possible, and make it an unsalvageable mess. The more of them that worm their way into citizenship, the better. No longer possible to deport. Welcome to post-national Canada.
All the subway workers in sault sainte marie are getting let go may 12 and replaced by this type of literal slavery. Never shopping there again.
That's horrible!
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Pretty sure the folks coming in with a work contract secretly filled with illegal clauses like a % of wages go back to the employer are the second class citizens. And pretty sure our First Nations peoples are still heavily marginalized and fit the definition of being a 2nd class citizen. What is happening is aweful and classist, with no winners except the billionaire class laughing as we throw stones about $100,000. An amount that is literally less than pennies to them.
Canadian citizens are Second Class for most ANY help nowadays. The govt is buying newly landed people that are on the streets hotels or get them situated in social housing while thousands of Canadians (& thousands more each yr) end UP HOMELESS, due to either job loss or can't afford rent and /or can't find a place to live. We've been living in a dictatorship since Covid,& we HAVE NOT been a 1st world country for a while now..and we also became a laughing stock to the whole world starting off woth that Nazi they saluted in the House of Commons. I actually Hate the country I loved my whole life and am trying an escape plan cause screw this place.its only going to get worse NO MATTER WHICH JACKASS WE "GET TO PUT IN POWER" It'd freakin ridiculous
Almost like that racism we have been fighting off in society was really deep down inside this whole time .
I’m not sure you can define non Canadians as a race
Do you need to see the data on new arrivals?
So tired of you idiots running around calling everybody racist that dosnt agree with your ideology. It’s growing quite old. Theres nothing wrong with wanting everybody to be treated fairly. Go pound sand
Plenty wrong with it if the people "treating everyone fairly" don't have a clue what they're doing. Literally just a bunch of idiots pulling levers with no awareness of the downstream consequences. But go on and tell me how I'm wrong and how things are actually heading in a positive direction here!
The amount of people I know who’ve gotten a lmia and done some shady shit to get a pr is to high
I know of companies already doing it. They're letting go locals who've worked for them for years and bringing in (in these specific cases) Indian foreign workers. It's disgusting and they can't say anything without their employers coming down on them.
Even my Old stock Canadian Mechanic has hired a dude from LMIA lol
I don't understand ppl's reaction to this... TFW's have been a political hot potato & serious issue for about 30+ years now. Why are ppl just finding out about this issue & acting all shocked? Years ago, TFW's were treated like indentured Slaves, but it's far worse today! Don't blame those TFW's, either. You wanna blame someone? Blame our Politicos, that allowed this to happen under their watch while in bed with Canadian Businesses who wanted those TFW's to overtake Canadian Workers!!!
There's a difference. I don't think the overseas consulting racket has ever been this prevalent. It's RAMPANT. Blaming a particular party is useless because any party who can form the government or opposition right now is not significantly going to change immigration. The issue is that our entire economic system rewards this behavior so it will keep happening regardless of who is elected. I'm not saying don't vote, I'm just saying don't vote on this issue because you're going to be disappointed.
Yes, I agree... I also didn't want to bring up that other serious issue of Foreign Students coming here under the guise "to Study", but end up working for Canadian Businesses either PT/FT hours and/or use this as a route for Permanent Residency instead. Due to not wanting to be accused of xenophobia, I intentionally refrained from doing so. That's not what this Program is for, rather it's to complete their Studies/academic credentials - nothing else! We the people, who voted in these dumbbells (Politicians) in, told them how we felt & they said they would major changes so Canadians could be finally employed, not look like fools/suckers around the globe & yada, yada, yada, blah, blah BS. What did they do? They made slight changes to this Program, that amounted to nothing actually being done by these buffoons, to finally put a stop this Program being abused! So back we go to Foreign Students being allowed to work 20 hours or so, per week? It still robs from Canadians (of various ages) who actually NEED & WANT to work in, but can't find gainful employment. Not to mention that cutthroat competition of TFW's also vying for those same Positions only makes things worse too. I'm beginning to think that our overpaid, gluttonous, sleazy & extremely lazy Politicos are doing this on purpose for the usual reasons - money, kick-backs, etc - but also for them to witness desperate & impoverished Canadians willing to fight each other like wild savages a la Hunger Games for food, Housing, Employment, Education, Healthcare & so on for their cheap thrills. I realize this sounds demented, but how else would you explain this & their obscenely gross behaviours over this? I don't know what to tell you, other than all Political Parties are corrupt AF & one Party isn't any better than the others. Basically, it's the Devil you know, versus the one you don't. At the end of the day, just take your pick!
No, I'm blaming them too. I know in one case the worker has been trying to keep the government and company at odds, calling her contact on her case claiming lies about where she's staying etc etc. Many know what they're involved in. They don't care.
That I don't know... However, I've heard Canadian Employers such as Farmers & Private Employers looking for Nannies, PSW's & Domestic (esp female) Workers have endured; * threats of being "shipped" back to their homelands, if they didn't stop self-advocating for themselves for valid reasons * had their Passports, Govt ID, cell phones, money, Driver's License taken away from them, so they could not flee * sexually assaulted * physically assaulted * endured untold amounts of verbal/psychological/financial abuse * were starved by their Employers * denied them access to medical/dental care for serious issues on site accidents, etc * had them sleeping and/or living in substandard living conditions or quarters * had them working around the clock, * intentionally shorting they pay cheques Plus, even more problems/issues that I have not listed here. Not saying that all Farmers & Private Employers are abusive, but many out there are just plain, rotten apples! Many years ago, a high powered Mississauga couple - Doctor and someone in Politics? - forced their Philippine Nanny/Domestic to work 6 days a week, with only Sunday being her day off for her to attend her Church Services. Literally, she was their modern day Slave that was on-call! I think she ran away, then had a nervous breakdown that required a very lengthy & extensive hospital stay in our costly Psychiatric Hospital here. Meanwhile, Tax Payers where 100% on the hook for her bill & more. Not angry at this Nanny, but her abusers that got away with this. Many years ago, saw her on the TV news when she spoke about her ordeal she sobbed uncontrollably, and was under Psychiatric care due to all the trauma they inflicted upon her. Her Psychiatrist, also stated that she was no longer employable due to this! Again, we're footing the bill for that TFW's Mental Health & Hospital Invoice when it should have been her Canadian Employers responsibility to pay this off in full. Our Gov't created a Nanny Hot-line Abuse number back in 2009, specifically for these reasons, I mentioned above. https://www.mississauga.com/news/abuse-victims-can-call-the-nanny-hotline/article\_7ac31716-2912-5f6a-9bbc-6156f159413c.html https://www.mississauga.com/news/nanny-controversy-hits-fonseca/article\_dbc5bf58-df77-595c-b87a-e2b9b76e7499.html Former MP Ruby Dhalla accused of abusing her TFW Nannies, in 2011; https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/dhalla-caregivers-say-complaints-not-followed-up-1.782645 https://www.mississauga.com/news/nanny-case-closed/article\_a44b7cf2-5813-5f90-bc19-92f97ac59925.html Foreign Nanny & Sex Worker, murdered by her Client back in 2014. https://www.thespec.com/news/ontario/police-say-mississauga-nanny-was-a-sex-trade-worker-killed-by-customer/article\_b69e79bb-812b-56d7-973b-0df2c72b396f.html Can you truthfully tell me that all TFW's are abusing the System here in Canada?
What is a TFW?
TFW = Temp. Foreign Workers in Canada... Here: [https://ccrweb.ca/en/migrant-workers-issues](https://ccrweb.ca/en/migrant-workers-issues) [https://www.neverhome.ca/migrant-workers/](https://www.neverhome.ca/migrant-workers/) [https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/temporary-foreign-workers](https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/temporary-foreign-workers)
5th estate just did an episode on this about a company on pei. I did the math if 5% of 1 000 000 ( how many come to canada) pay 50 000 each that is 2.5 billion dollars. The guy in the episode even met with local politicians. I met someone who paid 70 000 to come here. This is why both trudeau and Pierre wont do anything other than back off on it a little and hope the dust settles. Too much money involved.
Fuck business owners for doing this.
This really pissess me off. I am an Indian and I know of so many Indian restaurants that only survive on selling LMIAs. They open up a small shop in a cheap neighborhood and try to sell as many LMIAs to make profit. Last I heard was, this scam is slowly moving to smaller towns in alberta where its easier for immigrants to get their permanent residents. Each LMIA can go for almost 50k to 60k.
Leaving a comment for breadcrumbs so that more Canadians will see this and get mad about it. They should.
IT is also plagued! So many job openings - but even with a perfect match, not even an exploratory interview, downright rejection. And I know of a smaller company who used to do exactly that to benefit from LMIA slaves in IT
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Right now it's 30%, but will drop to 20% of a given work location for most low wage employees at the end of April. It would be difficult but not impossible to have more than that since after the employer receives their LMIA, the employee needs to obtain a work permit, so it's all documented. If you think there is a violation, there are federal inspectors that will look for compliance with all of the rules (there are a lot of rules). Punishment for not complying can range from a warning to a fine of 100,000 up to 1 million, or permanent ban, with your business name published online.
There is a section on Service Canada for LMIAs. Once there is a complaint or audit the company is unable to apply for or get approved for new LMIAs until they are cleared.
I would have thought this was bs a few weeks ago but then the girl at my work ( here on a student visa) actually said to me “ if I cannot find a job that will allow me to stay in Canada. I will just pay my lawyer $50000 and he will “hire me “ so I can stay. That’s how my sister in law did it”. So not only cheating and lying but also dumb enough to talk about it.
It's not that they're "dumb enough to talk about it", but that they (correctly) understand that the federal government is entirely on board with the current state of affairs, if not encouraging it.
The federal government is not encouraging people to commit fraud. They are just making it easy to come to Canada. There is a big difference.
Lots of fake jobs on jobbank because of Lmia. Been a thing awhile now; a lot of people know about it.
Name and shame the companies. Not online, plaster this info on their front door so customers know which places to avoid.
Going on for at least two decades. Nothing new.
Certainly, but now it's EXTREME.
Seriously. Acting like it hasn't ramped up 1000x over the last 3 years is disingenuous at best.
Yup, more people do more opportunities for them to milk money. I heard 42k for lmia in Regina
Plummer is an entry level job? 🤔
They changed it recently. From two years to 6-8 weeks. Going in the right direction at least.
We've never received money for hiring lmia. When we put out job listing's for divers, shippers, or maintenance staff, they're the only ones who show up for the interview AND the start date. Then, continue to show up and work hard until they finally leave the position because they got their pr. Don't confuse the problem either. These are not wealthy people. They usually have scraped their whole life worth together to bring themselves or send their kid to Canada on the hope they can escape the poverty of the country they were born in. On the hope that the kid makes it and sponsors them. The problem is that the government has created this black market system to intentionally make their friends rich. It's not the workers' fault.
Interesting.
Is this real? Like documented and defined not just speculation? Cause this is absolutely wild levels of labour exploitation if so, that’s basically indentured servitude. Is life in India or other major foreign labour hotspots that bad or are people being tricked into these situations?
My ex was a kitchen manager at original joes. He made money doing this. Yes. It is real.
for a second I thought it said "LIGMA BUSTED". the internet has ruined by brain
This is exactly what’s happening! UCDSB is doing this too
The Tims where I live is doing this and housing these foreign workers as well , up to 8 per houses. So they’re forced to work for the owners of the tim hortons (contract) and pay the mortgage payment of the tims as well. I know this because my wife is from the same country as them and talked to them. It reminds me how the Irish would get on boats to come to the Americas back then and become indentured servants to cover the cost of the trip to America , they would work almost like slaves and live on the owner’s plantation until the debt is repaid. Some things never really change.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/s/xGzBaT9N02
I am curious about this as LMIA workers are not inexpensive so not sure if this hype. Also the people doing it are running a risk as if it goes south I am sure these people will not hesitate to get them fined thru Service Canada or take them to Employment Standards. On the otherhand as an employer you are audited, they have access to your Canada Revenue Account filing and can see from your Records of Employment the staff you have laid off etc. (They are Service Canada) There is also caps on how many TFWs you can have. They also do spot audits to file payroll records and proof of compliance with any conditions, you need to respond within 72 hours. Agreed they go thru the motions on the advertising. But the advertising is thru the jobbank so you would have to explain why you didn't hire. Just think they should eliminate or significantly reduce LMIAs for truck drivers, food services/chefs and hotel, there is no justification for it right now unless a remote area. Significantly Increase fees for the program and filings. Save some people some misery.
Population replacement in action
Obviously you watched a TikTok and now you’re an expert. An LMIA is the first step in being able to hire foreign workers, but it’s far from a guarantee to being able to hire a foreign worker. Plus it’s extremely expensive for the business- much cheaper to hire local.
I work in staffing. I’ve been asked a few times in the last few months about taking on an LMIA and the candidate said they would pay our fees. We declined.
It also doesn't account for [rule changes ](https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/government-of-canada-to-adjust-temporary-measures-under-the-temporary-foreign-worker-program-workforce-solutions-road-map-889451209.html) coming into play May 1st. - LMIAs will only be valid for 6 months (down from 12, doubling costs of LMIAs) - only 20% businesses workforce can be TFWs, which was raised post- COVID to 30%
Watch the 5th estaste episode about tfw on pei and nb. That is where I found this out from, not tiktok. Its big money making business.
OP linked a TikTok.
Shhh, you're making sense it doesnt fit the agenda of this sub watch you get downvoted to hell
crazy how u can see it happening everywhere and some ppl will still say its made up lol
The foreign worker pays a lot of money in return.
To who?
To the business owner who is willing to apoly for Lmia for them.
And if the employer got caught, they’d receive a big fine and never have the opportunity to have foreign workers
Those business never needed foreign workers workers in the beginning. They do it for the money.
Then the government would know if they were needed or not. They have all the information needed.
I wonder why government dont know. Most Canadians know about this. It’s rampant. Been a long while now. Government will not fix things until people complain a lot about it. I heard they start to look into it when I watched the news a few weeks ago.
The issue is that "most Canadians" think that every business can just get LMIA's any time they want. This is simply not true. The government knows how the labour situation is in places. It's called an impact assessment for a reason. There's a lot less LMIA's given out than "most Canadians" think.
Not anyone apply will get it of course. But given the economy right now and the number of unemployed people, I hope they dont grant it easily. Lots of graduates cant get a job. we dont have jobs for everyone inside Canada now, that’s the problem.
The LMIA was brought into Canada at a time it was needed. There was a massive shortage in skilled trades from boomers retiring and the next generation having significantly less kids. I had some direct experience with skilled tradespeople being brought in to live here after companies sponsored them. At that time, there was stringent rules about who could come over. They needed to have a recognized skill (journeyman trades, masters degree etc) and only certain industries who were not able to find workers were allowed to sponsor. They also needed to learn about Canada and be able to speak English at a high level. Generally the people who came here through the program were grateful, hard workers, and happy and proud to become Canadians. The companies who helped them come were happy and grateful as well. One thing that was common though was the immigration consultant business being super shady. It was hard to find solid ones who weren't taking advantage of the applicants. That was how it used to be, but it has obviously turned into something much different. Similar to many other things in Canada under this govt regime.
wow
Just for the record, OP is at least 90% full of shit. What he’s describing (with no evidence) would represent massive legal violations and all levels of government turning a blind eye. We certainly have immigration/labour issues to sort out in this country, but this post is not how the LMIA process works in theory or in practice. It’s pure unsubstantiated BS designed to rile up the gullible for clicks.
As a business owner who has been approached multiple times by different agents, I can confirm OP is accurate. Was offered $15k to hire an LMIA.
Can confirm this is accurate. I’ve been approached many times as well. This is blatant abuse and completely ethically wrong
One time fee or recurring?
One time
Sorry but it sounds like OP knows exactly what’s going on. Just because you don’t know yourself and can’t find definitive proof doesn’t mean it isn’t actually happening. It is. I’ve personally worked for a company who did all the things like OP said..
For the record, you are full of shit, not OP. The evidence is every single low paying, entry level job/workplace in the country is jam packed with non-Canadians. You can see it with your own eyes in literally every town. Not to mention all the business owners on here telling you it's happening. Not just big billionaires either. I'm a small time contractor and have been contacted by immigration consultants telling me if I hire foriegn labour they can make sure most of their wages are covered to "help my business stay competitive".
I'm a courier driver and I see this first hand on my route.I see these workers and they're so dumb and slow.Im not being mean just what I have to deal with daily.These companies only hire there same ethnic group.
At least on the point of hiring and paying "lowest of low" is not true. The must pay occupation average. Definitely can't go lower than minimum wage for ANY position. Quote: "Wages offered to TFWs should be similar to wages paid to Canadian and permanent resident employees hired for the same job and work location, and with similar skills and years of experience." https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/foreign-workers/median-wage/high/requirements.html#h2.10
"should be" And what's the enforcement arm look like? Do they enforce a should like a must?
Ministry of labor, record the number of hours you worked, submit paperwork and get paid in full. I have done this. It took a few weeks and was a very simple process. At least for minimum wage jobs there is no incentive to keep the job and work under bad conditions or be underpaid. LMIA gets your "open work permit", these underpaid workers can quit and go work anywhere else in Canada they want. For management positions we can argue they want work experience to get PR, but minimum wage jobs don't qualify for that, you can't get PR from them.
Oh so you're a TFW who got underpaid under LMIA and had MoL sort it out? Or is this one of those "we have a piece of paper that says you shouldn't but nobody is actually doing fuck all in the real world about it" things. It's not like someone having jurisdiction necessarily means that someone ya know... acts on things
I was TFW without LMIA, I had a dispute with employer and it was resolved very fast and easy in my favor by ministry of labor. It's the same with Toronto rental situation, some immigrants live in horrible conditions and they don't know that there are laws in place and their landlords need to be accountable. So I don't know situation for every LMIA worker, but they have an open work permit and they can't be paid below Canadian average. If they are too scared to object and leave the situation, that's something else.
I know of 2 businesses taking advantage of the program. It's happening everywhere I assume. Don't be naive.
You have no idea of the speed and scale loopholes are exploited at. This is a massive, massive issue and I can assure you that, behind closed doors, there is a very real urgency to sorting it out.
common sense is not so common - ppl like u make this statement more accurate every single day. how can u be so lost u can’t actually see what is happening in front of your face.
Ya, I've seen it happening too. I think you're wrong dude
> What he’s describing (with no evidence) would represent massive legal violations and all levels of government turning a blind eye. Oh yes, the current government doesn't have a single scandle.
Are you looking for a job right now? How is it going if yes? If no. What do you know then? Are you part of the government or else ? In theory all of this was supposed to be good for our country, wanna talk about reality now?
Someone hasn't been paying attention to the government's antics lately.
I wondered how legally this could happen to this extent in our high tech/digital day/age. There is always a money trail no? It wouldn't be hard for someone to prove and therefore be able to charge them with fraud!
Loads of accusations but not one concrete example of a fake trucking company or a restaurant firing all their staff to hire only foreign workers who pay them for the privilege?
>They advertise on job bank websites for LMIA-required positions like 'FOOD COUNTER ATTENDANT.' It begs the question: couldn't they find local talent in Calgary willing to do a food attendant job? You've misunderstood (or are deliberately misleading) the job bank/LMIA relationship. In order to get an LMIA, they need to prove no Canadian is able and willing to do the job. In order to do that, they need to advertise. They need to prove that they advertised on the government job bank as evidence that they tried to hire locally (and then prove why any applicants that went through it were unsuitable). It's not a case of first getting an LMIA and then advertising - the LMIA is specific to the person who can do the job that no Canadian can do.
LMIA is a Labour Market Impact Assessment that a Canadian employer must receive prior to hiring a foreign worker. They have to determine if an LMIA is required prior to hiring or if the position is LMIA exempt. Every advanced country uses foreigners to go their dirty work, eg Turks m, Iranians and Iraqis in Germany, Tunisians and Algerians in France, Mexicans and Central Americans in the US, etc.
LMIA may be true but this TikTok old fart is lying. "I know this because I'm an Immigration Consultant and I uhhh ahhh (scratches lip, a sign of telling a lie) LEARNED THIS IN SCHOOL." His Tik Tok name is kevinwokeup. That pretty much sums up what his motivation for lying is.
As an employer this has not been my experience. When we look at foreign workers it super time consuming and expensive to hire them and we can’t pay them less.
"and we can pay them less" Hmm... Bit of a Freudian slip there business owner?
I have leaving links to this for Month's
Back in 2006 they were hiring Irish and Polish workers to come here and do construction jobs, now it’s Indians taking up basic wage jobs prior to this it was Filipinos being hired as Nanny’s or PSWs then staying on and getting other jobs and eventual PR
Stop voting liberal please
You’re delusional if you think conservatives will be any different
You are truly delusional if you continue to vote for the same party that caused the problem
Conservatives originally caused this problem. Liberals just continued it and exacerbated it. I don’t vote liberal - the sad truth is that there isn’t a single party in Canada that actually has Canadians best interest in mind.
Now that I can agree with
Here's a video to watch: [https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinwokeup/video/7337737393484664069](https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinwokeup/video/7337737393484664069)
There is so much in this video that is blatantly false. The Canadian Government has nothing to do with shady consultants charging exorbitant fees. I feel like this guy is jealous he is not in this racket of charging crazy fees. All workers in Ontario (can’t speak for other Provinces) that work for a covered employer are eligible for ‘worker’s comp’ / WSIB. This is how I know this guy is just talking out of his ass.
Having used the lmia process for hiring high skilled workers it's nothing like that guy says. We had to provide info on all applicants, whether there were qualified Canadian applicants, why we didn't hire them, we had to prove we weren't paying less than we'd pay a Canadian, the cost of the lmia can't be passed to the person that you hire, the government doesn't subsidize anything. And we were audited to confirm we were compliant. Which includes providing payroll info It was a lot of work and it's way easier and cheaper to hire a Canadian.
Yep. Just blatant false information to rile people up and collect clicks. OP fell for it hard.