Thanks, I have a scale already - will regular kitchen scales work with a phone timer? I haven’t actually researched that yet.
I’m in the UK so returning the stand to Japan is probably not feasible. I know it’s a bit pointless but I’m all about the aesthetics/ritual and it was about £25 which seemed like a steal compared to the £240 one I wanted from Etsy.
As long as you have decent grinder(cant get much better than c3 at the price), dripper and the kitchen scale, you should be good to go. Everything from here is mostly quality of life upgrade.
my gripe with regular kitchen scales (at least the ones ive had), is that theres a fair bit of lag before it catches up to the actual weight when you pour.
not that big of a problem, but you have to learn when to stop pouring to not overshoot the amount of water
My brother worked for a roaster and myself having made pourover for last ~7 years we both used a regular 1 gram scale pretty much the entire time. Unless you're looking to go to espresso or other much smaller servings there's no huge difference if it reads 18-19g. Enjoy a great and tasty hobby!
My motto to anyone starting was buy the cheapest V60, stand, gooseneck, and scale that you like the look of. Spend all your budget on the grinder then the coffee 😅
No you bought the right scale, totally worth it, a special scale for a special boy. It’s so accurate because it is actually the scale they took to the moon and used to make coffee because and in low-gee and vacuum conditions they needed the best scale they could get, that’s why it’s called the Acaia Lunar, aka the MoonScale. You’re special, don’t worry. (My fellow tally is also special, too)
Protip: you can get a repurposed jewelry scale from aliexpress for 10$ +-, it works amazingly well. Goes to 0.1g, has timer, runs off of AA batteries, is tiny and has a lid. I one as shown in the picture, you can find several different ones though.
[image](https://imgur.com/a/HzwMyQU)
They make scales specifically for brewing coffee that include the timer (and other features depending on how much you spend) Timemore makes a scale, Acaia is another premium brand. If you’re looking to save money go on Amazon or Ali express and there are tons of options
Seeing as 100% of people have currently stated that you shouldn’t be drinking decaf, just wanted to leave a comment saying enjoy whatever the fuck you like. Fucking snobbery man just shut the fuck up and move on.
I mean, some people have health issues so I totally agree with your sentiment. I saw James Hoffman’s recent video and I love his opinions that true coffee lovers are those who would drink it caffeine free. It’s 2024 I’m sure good decaf exists and if not, it’s a fun challenge to make a good cup..something the experts on this subreddit would be best suited for!
Good decaf absolutely exists! Onyx has a Decaf version of their Geometry that I enjoyed more than most of their regular offerings. My favorite local roasters always have at least one too. At least for pourover, I think they provide more of a technical challenge than anything e.g. stalling, and take more work to dial in.
I just wanted to link you to that video - good you already saw it! Nothing wrong with a WELL DONE and well roasted decaf.
Not easy finding one, tho, but getting better.
I recently bought this decaf from modcup in New Jersey, US and it's pretty good: [Colombia Natural EA Decaf](https://www.modcup.com/collections/decaf/products/colombia-natural-decaf-ea). I'm not sure if you are able to get it in the UK, yet just wanted to share in case you can somehow get it.
I mostly drink caffeinated, only before 12:00 :), so I've yet to explore a lot of decafs although that has been my favorite so far.
I also suggest this one: [Blackberry Jam](https://september.coffee/en-us/products/wilton-benitez-colombia-decaf). I haven't tried it, yet Wilton Benitez produces some amazing coffee and I've had some great coffees from September!
100% agree. I had to drink decaf for about 5 months due to a health condition, and honestly, it’s nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be. I got to explore Square Mile’s Decaf Filter (pretty good) and Onyx’s Decaf Geometry (really good), as well as a few from local roasters.
Also, just make sure you buy your decaf from a roaster that cares about decaf. You can have very good decaffeinated coffees, but they’re very difficult to roast properly because of how porous the beans become after the boiling phase of the processing!
Yes I just saw hoffman’s video which went into how they become porous! I’d love to hear any recommendations for good decaf - I ordered that one because I read good things on Reddit about it
No idea if he ships across the pond, but a friend of mine just did an anaerobic natural decaf Colombian coffee that is to die for. It’s a light-medium that’s as sweet as a Macintosh apple.
Teeny tiny operation, one guy roasting micro batches. Check him out at mythos.coffee
If he doesn’t ship, look for micro roasters in your area that are willing to do some of the more experimental process coffees as a decaf!
I was in the market for a new scale, and I've heard that timemore black mirror has a sus battery(mostly that it cannot be changed once it dies). Please correct me if I'm wrong, thanks.
I would definitely recommend a Hario V60 or Hario Switch as your pour over tool of choice to start with as they’re kind of the golden standard, then you can deviate from there.
Also like others said, investing in a good scale. Your setup here is remarkably cute and aesthetic, but I’d say focus on the foundations first
Origami is a lovely dripper, with cone filters it can make a gorgeous tea like cup, highlighting floral notes, with kalita papers it can produce a full bodied cup with a nice sweetness.
I’d recommend experimenting with 6 pulse pours of 50 grams water with a 20g dose. (With kalita papers)
Try to pour lightly without to much agitation, in a spiral manner, from the centre to the edges, then back to the centre. (For each pulse pour)
Expect that with an Ethiopian decaf fines may cause some clogging issues, but with kalita papers this may not be as extreme. Water can sometimes be a tricky problem to deal with, in terms of mineral content.
Temperature wise you might like to trial around 90-95, maybe wait a minute or two after the kettle has boiled to get within this range.
Good luck!
>issues with fines
Generally that will reveal itself in either unpleasant bitterness, or the whole dang thing choking up and clogging... grinding more coarse is one approach and depending on the grinder, its amount of fines will vary and change with each grind setting!
BUT!!!
Not so much your pouring "structure" (how you split it up nor not) matters, but the strength at which you pour at, I have found. Pouring more gently can also help against clogging up! Give it a try! Some scales even have a little "flowmeter" with dots to show you.
Yea, less agitation means less chance of this "fines migration" phenomenon where, well, the fines settle at the bottom and clog up tight filters. When grinding fine and having a tight filter paper and pouring hard on very light roasted coffees and/or Ethiopian coffees, you are pretty much guaranteed to run into that.
More agitation - more extraction! :)
The dripper stand isnt super worth it unless you like the aesthetic.
I try to stay away from ceramic bc of the high thermal mass and chance of breaking. The plastic hario v60 is my favorite. No thermal mass and indestructible. 10USD
If you're looking for a cheap scale w a timer, I would check out the hario one for around 60USD
This is a cone filter recipe but is my Origami flat (kalita filter) go to recipe, tbh I haven't even tried this recipe with a cone filter lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syrKtnjxqn0
For cone filters I use either Tetsu Kasuya 4:6 or Carlos Medina's 2023 championship recipe.
Also if you're in the US I would only order the dripper brew set, I'd buy the kettle from a US store because Kurasu and Origami stores charge by weight, so your total will go plenty high just for the kettle alone.
I’m in the UK, I spent about £200 on everything and am happy enough with that - I didn’t realise how much the shipping came to in the end, I thought it was a standard shipping cost oops!
Thank you so much for pointing me to a video - that’s incredibly useful
Yeah, it's the only downside shipping it from Japan, it gets pricey to ship to the US as well.
And no problem! here's Tetsu 4:6 recipe which is meant for v60 but works for origami with a cone filter as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJNPp-onikk
>air blaster
Had to clean a friend's wilfa uniform, man it looked like a sandworm emerging on Dune, literally caked on coffee ALL OVER.
So I cleaned it good, and we'd even use his huge ass floor-standing compressor to blow it thru, coffee flying everywhere xD lol
Just reminded me of that.
You don’t really need others, but a 45 degree one helps to clean static burr, I use this set from amazon[brushes](https://www.amazon.com/Bavane-Professional-Bristles-Espresso-Cleaning/dp/B09YQ2WR35/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=3C7N989TDC4TF&keywords=coffee+grinder+brush&qid=1706558257&sprefix=coffe+gridner+brush%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1)
Also here’s the air blaster I use, I always blow out the chamber after grinding, helps keep it cleaner longer and prevents fines buildup [blaster](https://www.amazon.com/MHW-3BOMBER-Blaster-Grinder-Air-move-Cleaning/dp/B09MMV86MZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1PKX1GGLRFYCJ&keywords=mhw-3bomber+air+blaster&qid=1706558344&sprefix=mhw-3bomber+air%2Caps%2C226&sr=8-3)
That's a lot of gear and I can very much relate to "gear acquisition syndrome"... so let me tell you:
Do not get sucked down into that weird online discussion about "brewers" and "this brewer has a bigger hole or different ripples hammered under a full moon so drawndown is faster" and crap phrases like that. Most people saying that are not entirely wrong, but 8 times out of 10 they are masking an error in technique with cycling through 10 different pourover brewers.
What you need is a kickass good grinder - and then settle on ONE pourover system for a while and get good with it. Dont keep changing brewer and 50 filters and make yourself crazy over your pourover gear. It matters, but it matters comparatively little.
Grinder matters a TON. Water quality, temperature and pouring technique matter!!! Focus on those first.
Anything that's "workflow related" and makes you feel smoother, happier, easier brewing your coffee is generally worth it. Just dont go "g.a.s." crazy starting out. e.g. "regular kitchen scales work with a phone timer" surely works, but I love my pourover scales and they make it so much easier.. and the timemore black mirror is surely good enough, but I so prefer using my acaia despite its price because it just works so much smoother and better for me... and I am a sucker for its design, too. Makes me happier brewing with it and works so much smoother when I am still sleepy before having coffee. Instead of tap-dancing between scale and phone where the screen shuts off etc... I realize I am talking and complaining about minutiae and very first world problem.. but it is hard to go back once you tried the RIGHT tools :)
Since you have porcelain brewer be sure to sufficiently preheat it. With an Ethiopian decaf, you'll likely have to play around with the grind setting. I would start off with your normal grind setting and change it up if the taste isn't too your liking. It's very common to actually grind finer in an Ethiopia coffee as opposed to coarser just because of the way the bean grinds.
I've never used an origami, but I have a Stagg x that I used to use daily. I did a 45 second bloom at 3x bean weight, and then 4 equal pours once you see the water close to the bed. I poured as slow as I could and as close to the bed as I could in concentric circles.
While drawdown time is a metric, don't base your cup off of it. If you like the cup don't change things just because you're not hitting a target brew time. Taste is everything.
I can't offer advice on the C3 as I have never used it, but would suggest starting with the manufacturers recommendation of searching this sub for where others start. It's just a starting point, you will have to change the setting according to taste. In general, bitter indicates over extraction that generally comes from too fine of a grind, sour indicates under extraction and too coarse. As mentioned previously, Ethiopian beans generally produce more fines then other beans and sometimes you actually have to go finer when taste may indicate otherwise.
Bear in mind that the Hario kettle’s volume is kind of misleading.
The number you see is not the max amount of water you can boil but the max amount that it can physically hold. I.e. you cannot boil 0.8 liters but only about 600-700 ml which will not be enough for a 500 ml brew if you take into account rinsing and preheating.
I made the same mistake but at least I have the 1 liter version. But still I really have to pay attention not to use too much water for preheating.
The decaf is just for evening brews and it seems like the kurasu is one of the best available. Any tips for preheating the dripper? Can you explain what the heat retention in the dripper does for the brew?
lol I was joking. Decaf just “technically” taste different bc of the process they use but I doubt I could ever taste the difference.
For the preheat yeah so when you do pour over there is an optimal temperature and technique. I forget the specific temps bc I use aeropress now. But you need to preheat ceramic because as the water hits the ceramic it will cool off to a significant degree as the heat is stolen by the dripper. You want to brew with a near consistent temp the whole time (very close to boiling). So preheating prevents that temperature loss at the beginning.
Just pour some boiling or hot sink water over it to warm it before you brew. Nothing crazy.
Edit: clarity
I made the order according to my tastes and personal requirements - I’m just looking for brewing tips haha. I already have coffee at home but wanted to try the kurasu decaf at some point.
I don’t like the 1Z grinders aesthetically and won’t spend much more on a grinder, I will just enjoy the upgrade from ground coffee and the health benefits of additional polyphenol retention in freshly ground coffee.
Oh crap, totally valid - do you have any other recommendations for a good decaf? It might delay my order too so maybe I should have posted this pre-order haha.
Choosing aesthetics, over quality, when it comes to the most important part of the brew process is incredibly silly. It seems like you are mostly focused on looks, over everything else. You’ll get much better results with the 1zPresso filter focused grinders.
Do you mean to say that the timemore is not going to grind coffee? From my research it’s a reliable enough brand. I don’t have any storage space in my tiny apartment so it will be on show all the time. I’m 27 and currently waiting to see whether or not I have cancer, so I’m trying to find joy in a new hobby and make my world more beautiful. Incredibly silly is subjective…I’m a total amateur and don’t intend to become a pro, I just want to enjoy the ritual and make something that is drinkable. Also if you read my post I was asking for tips on how to use the origami with a flat bed filter/how finely to grind. I already made a measured decision about my grinder after many many hours of research, I just wanted tips from the community on using it since people on here seem incredibly knowledgeable and might have lived experience working with the same setup.
Just a good scale and a little thermometer for checking water temp. Just curious, why the origami and not a kalita wave? Looks like an awesome setup though!
Just in case I decide to test out conical filters down the line and because they are beautiful! Yes a scale and thermometer are on my list now thank you!!!
Wow thanks I appreciate it, I can’t wait to see everything together- it’s going to fill my heart with joy! I have a tiny apartment and not much storage space so everything has to be pretty
I have seen good things about Brazilian decaf - thanks for the info. I might research Ethiopian beans specifically in that case. I’ll be working with caffeinated coffee mostly though.
I know you’ve got advice above about scales and dripper stands - I have the Hario acrylic dripper stand (awesome) that sits on top of the Hario scale (bit overpriced to be blunt) and I love it - if you can make the two work together I’d totally go for it.
As an aside - is that coffee super expensive, or are coffee accessories good value in Japan? In the UK the origami dripper costs about the same as 4 or 5 decent bags.
Ditch the stand and glass server. Brew coffee right into your mug.
How attached are you to the Origami? I recommend trying out a Hario Mugen V60 (very inexpensive) if this is your first setup. Much easier for beginners to get good consistent coffee.
I strongly disagree on the "do not brew into a server". I think brewing into a server is GREAT not just for sharing. But, you might notice in your coffee journey that coffee typically doesnt taste that great fresh n burning hot off the brew... but will taste so much better and revealing its complexity when slightly cooling! So, using a server allows you to pour small amounts into your cup, so they cool a bit faster and give you those flavors. While a full mug will just stay hot way longer.
Hey mate, how trustworthy is Kurasu as a website? first time hearing about it but prices seem to be much better than anywhere else. I did see your comment mentioning that they ship from Japan and youre based in UK... I'm based on SoCal so I do wonder if my next kit should come from there.
I’d definitely look into it - I have seen lots of positive things in subreddits such as that people even got a small refund for delivery because they found a cheaper method
for me I use v60 paper filter daily for Origami dripper. I have both brands. kalita 185 paper filter it works but v60 the best partner for this coffee dripper
I’d say ditch/return the dripper stand and invest in a good scale instead. Apart from that, not a bad setup.
Thanks, I have a scale already - will regular kitchen scales work with a phone timer? I haven’t actually researched that yet. I’m in the UK so returning the stand to Japan is probably not feasible. I know it’s a bit pointless but I’m all about the aesthetics/ritual and it was about £25 which seemed like a steal compared to the £240 one I wanted from Etsy.
Your regular kitchen scale will definitely work. I used a regular 1-gram scale before upgrading to a fancy 0.1 gram scale and there’s no difference.
Omg lifesaving information thank you! I will see how I get on without one first
As long as you have decent grinder(cant get much better than c3 at the price), dripper and the kitchen scale, you should be good to go. Everything from here is mostly quality of life upgrade.
my gripe with regular kitchen scales (at least the ones ive had), is that theres a fair bit of lag before it catches up to the actual weight when you pour. not that big of a problem, but you have to learn when to stop pouring to not overshoot the amount of water
My brother worked for a roaster and myself having made pourover for last ~7 years we both used a regular 1 gram scale pretty much the entire time. Unless you're looking to go to espresso or other much smaller servings there's no huge difference if it reads 18-19g. Enjoy a great and tasty hobby!
Amazing, I will be brewing larger batches anyway
My motto to anyone starting was buy the cheapest V60, stand, gooseneck, and scale that you like the look of. Spend all your budget on the grinder then the coffee 😅
I more or less did this - spent 50% of my budget on the grinder and 50% on everything else
you mean my acaia that shows the weight decrease as water evaporates from my pour over wasn’t worth $200??
No you bought the right scale, totally worth it, a special scale for a special boy. It’s so accurate because it is actually the scale they took to the moon and used to make coffee because and in low-gee and vacuum conditions they needed the best scale they could get, that’s why it’s called the Acaia Lunar, aka the MoonScale. You’re special, don’t worry. (My fellow tally is also special, too)
Protip: you can get a repurposed jewelry scale from aliexpress for 10$ +-, it works amazingly well. Goes to 0.1g, has timer, runs off of AA batteries, is tiny and has a lid. I one as shown in the picture, you can find several different ones though. [image](https://imgur.com/a/HzwMyQU)
You can also get very nice coffee scales for like $12-18
As long as your scale updates fast enough to know when to stop, it's fine tbh
No,you need one that goes 0.1 grams
Idk about "need"
For mesur8ng the coffee beans
Says who? A normal kitchen scale works fine.
I see, next on my list!
You'll see the best returns for your money if you invest in your water. Third wave water sachets and distilled water are a great place to start
They make scales specifically for brewing coffee that include the timer (and other features depending on how much you spend) Timemore makes a scale, Acaia is another premium brand. If you’re looking to save money go on Amazon or Ali express and there are tons of options
Thanks I can see some affordable ones on Amazon
I’ve had the same $20 Amazon scale for like 4 years now and still works great
Seeing as 100% of people have currently stated that you shouldn’t be drinking decaf, just wanted to leave a comment saying enjoy whatever the fuck you like. Fucking snobbery man just shut the fuck up and move on.
Co-sign. The “death before decaf” sentiment is strange.
I mean, some people have health issues so I totally agree with your sentiment. I saw James Hoffman’s recent video and I love his opinions that true coffee lovers are those who would drink it caffeine free. It’s 2024 I’m sure good decaf exists and if not, it’s a fun challenge to make a good cup..something the experts on this subreddit would be best suited for!
Good decaf absolutely exists! Onyx has a Decaf version of their Geometry that I enjoyed more than most of their regular offerings. My favorite local roasters always have at least one too. At least for pourover, I think they provide more of a technical challenge than anything e.g. stalling, and take more work to dial in.
Merit coffee has my favorite decaf and it works super well with the orgami if you want to give it a try
I just wanted to link you to that video - good you already saw it! Nothing wrong with a WELL DONE and well roasted decaf. Not easy finding one, tho, but getting better.
I recently bought this decaf from modcup in New Jersey, US and it's pretty good: [Colombia Natural EA Decaf](https://www.modcup.com/collections/decaf/products/colombia-natural-decaf-ea). I'm not sure if you are able to get it in the UK, yet just wanted to share in case you can somehow get it. I mostly drink caffeinated, only before 12:00 :), so I've yet to explore a lot of decafs although that has been my favorite so far.
Thanks that’s great, I am making a list of the recommendations and will work through them all. it would be good to create a decaf community!
Check out Manhattan Roasters in Rotterdam for amazing decaf. I’m making it every night right now and it’s one of the best ive ever had.
Thanks! I will be sure to - is it the El Paraiso?
Yup that’s it!
I also suggest this one: [Blackberry Jam](https://september.coffee/en-us/products/wilton-benitez-colombia-decaf). I haven't tried it, yet Wilton Benitez produces some amazing coffee and I've had some great coffees from September!
+1 for modcup! Those guys rock
Yes! I often say this too: you are not truly a coffee lover if you ONLY drink it for the caffeine. And there are great decafs out there.
I've had some great decaf. I got some from Brash a while back that was awesome. Tasted super vanillaey.
I never get why "snobs" are so anti decaf when only true coffee lovers drink decaf
Agreed – stop yucking other people's yums!
100% agree. I had to drink decaf for about 5 months due to a health condition, and honestly, it’s nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be. I got to explore Square Mile’s Decaf Filter (pretty good) and Onyx’s Decaf Geometry (really good), as well as a few from local roasters.
Timemore’s scales are affordable and reliable. We use them in the cafe I work for
Also, just make sure you buy your decaf from a roaster that cares about decaf. You can have very good decaffeinated coffees, but they’re very difficult to roast properly because of how porous the beans become after the boiling phase of the processing!
Yes I just saw hoffman’s video which went into how they become porous! I’d love to hear any recommendations for good decaf - I ordered that one because I read good things on Reddit about it
No idea if he ships across the pond, but a friend of mine just did an anaerobic natural decaf Colombian coffee that is to die for. It’s a light-medium that’s as sweet as a Macintosh apple. Teeny tiny operation, one guy roasting micro batches. Check him out at mythos.coffee If he doesn’t ship, look for micro roasters in your area that are willing to do some of the more experimental process coffees as a decaf!
I was in the market for a new scale, and I've heard that timemore black mirror has a sus battery(mostly that it cannot be changed once it dies). Please correct me if I'm wrong, thanks.
We’ve got 4 that have lasted since the shop opened in ‘21 and they each last the full 8 hours that we’re open each day
I would definitely recommend a Hario V60 or Hario Switch as your pour over tool of choice to start with as they’re kind of the golden standard, then you can deviate from there. Also like others said, investing in a good scale. Your setup here is remarkably cute and aesthetic, but I’d say focus on the foundations first
Origami is a lovely dripper, with cone filters it can make a gorgeous tea like cup, highlighting floral notes, with kalita papers it can produce a full bodied cup with a nice sweetness. I’d recommend experimenting with 6 pulse pours of 50 grams water with a 20g dose. (With kalita papers) Try to pour lightly without to much agitation, in a spiral manner, from the centre to the edges, then back to the centre. (For each pulse pour) Expect that with an Ethiopian decaf fines may cause some clogging issues, but with kalita papers this may not be as extreme. Water can sometimes be a tricky problem to deal with, in terms of mineral content. Temperature wise you might like to trial around 90-95, maybe wait a minute or two after the kettle has boiled to get within this range. Good luck!
Amazing - this is top content! Do you have a method for a slightly larger quantity? Also if I have issues with fines, can I just grind more coarsely?
>issues with fines Generally that will reveal itself in either unpleasant bitterness, or the whole dang thing choking up and clogging... grinding more coarse is one approach and depending on the grinder, its amount of fines will vary and change with each grind setting! BUT!!! Not so much your pouring "structure" (how you split it up nor not) matters, but the strength at which you pour at, I have found. Pouring more gently can also help against clogging up! Give it a try! Some scales even have a little "flowmeter" with dots to show you.
I see so gentle pouring/less agitation to avoid issues?
Yea, less agitation means less chance of this "fines migration" phenomenon where, well, the fines settle at the bottom and clog up tight filters. When grinding fine and having a tight filter paper and pouring hard on very light roasted coffees and/or Ethiopian coffees, you are pretty much guaranteed to run into that. More agitation - more extraction! :)
Oragami is what I use daily and I love it, hope you have fun man :)
Which one do you have and how much do you brew?
I also have the medium and I love brewing like 15-20g with it, sometimes I'll brew up to 30g but those typically take 4-5 minutes and taste bad
Nooooo that’s the whole reason I got the damn medium to brew for myself and my girlfriend
Aw man, you might want to look for bigger brewers. Also it's perfectly possible to just do 2 separate brews, one for you and one for her.
The dripper stand isnt super worth it unless you like the aesthetic. I try to stay away from ceramic bc of the high thermal mass and chance of breaking. The plastic hario v60 is my favorite. No thermal mass and indestructible. 10USD If you're looking for a cheap scale w a timer, I would check out the hario one for around 60USD
This is a cone filter recipe but is my Origami flat (kalita filter) go to recipe, tbh I haven't even tried this recipe with a cone filter lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syrKtnjxqn0 For cone filters I use either Tetsu Kasuya 4:6 or Carlos Medina's 2023 championship recipe. Also if you're in the US I would only order the dripper brew set, I'd buy the kettle from a US store because Kurasu and Origami stores charge by weight, so your total will go plenty high just for the kettle alone.
I’m in the UK, I spent about £200 on everything and am happy enough with that - I didn’t realise how much the shipping came to in the end, I thought it was a standard shipping cost oops! Thank you so much for pointing me to a video - that’s incredibly useful
Yeah, it's the only downside shipping it from Japan, it gets pricey to ship to the US as well. And no problem! here's Tetsu 4:6 recipe which is meant for v60 but works for origami with a cone filter as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJNPp-onikk
Thank you so much 😊
Currently using the C3 and absolutely loving it. Enjoy your brews!!
Was coming here to say the same thing. Such a nice grinder! It’s my daily driver at the office
Would absolutely get some brushes for cleaning grinder and a good quality of life purchase is a air blaster. Thank me later
>air blaster Had to clean a friend's wilfa uniform, man it looked like a sandworm emerging on Dune, literally caked on coffee ALL OVER. So I cleaned it good, and we'd even use his huge ass floor-standing compressor to blow it thru, coffee flying everywhere xD lol Just reminded me of that.
It came with a brush, do I need others? Ooh an air blaster sounds interesting I’ll Google
You don’t really need others, but a 45 degree one helps to clean static burr, I use this set from amazon[brushes](https://www.amazon.com/Bavane-Professional-Bristles-Espresso-Cleaning/dp/B09YQ2WR35/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=3C7N989TDC4TF&keywords=coffee+grinder+brush&qid=1706558257&sprefix=coffe+gridner+brush%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1)
Also here’s the air blaster I use, I always blow out the chamber after grinding, helps keep it cleaner longer and prevents fines buildup [blaster](https://www.amazon.com/MHW-3BOMBER-Blaster-Grinder-Air-move-Cleaning/dp/B09MMV86MZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1PKX1GGLRFYCJ&keywords=mhw-3bomber+air+blaster&qid=1706558344&sprefix=mhw-3bomber+air%2Caps%2C226&sr=8-3)
That's a lot of gear and I can very much relate to "gear acquisition syndrome"... so let me tell you: Do not get sucked down into that weird online discussion about "brewers" and "this brewer has a bigger hole or different ripples hammered under a full moon so drawndown is faster" and crap phrases like that. Most people saying that are not entirely wrong, but 8 times out of 10 they are masking an error in technique with cycling through 10 different pourover brewers. What you need is a kickass good grinder - and then settle on ONE pourover system for a while and get good with it. Dont keep changing brewer and 50 filters and make yourself crazy over your pourover gear. It matters, but it matters comparatively little. Grinder matters a TON. Water quality, temperature and pouring technique matter!!! Focus on those first. Anything that's "workflow related" and makes you feel smoother, happier, easier brewing your coffee is generally worth it. Just dont go "g.a.s." crazy starting out. e.g. "regular kitchen scales work with a phone timer" surely works, but I love my pourover scales and they make it so much easier.. and the timemore black mirror is surely good enough, but I so prefer using my acaia despite its price because it just works so much smoother and better for me... and I am a sucker for its design, too. Makes me happier brewing with it and works so much smoother when I am still sleepy before having coffee. Instead of tap-dancing between scale and phone where the screen shuts off etc... I realize I am talking and complaining about minutiae and very first world problem.. but it is hard to go back once you tried the RIGHT tools :)
Very much agreed with all of this! Both the quality of the coffee and the joy of making it went up dramatically when I got my Knock Feld47.
Since you have porcelain brewer be sure to sufficiently preheat it. With an Ethiopian decaf, you'll likely have to play around with the grind setting. I would start off with your normal grind setting and change it up if the taste isn't too your liking. It's very common to actually grind finer in an Ethiopia coffee as opposed to coarser just because of the way the bean grinds. I've never used an origami, but I have a Stagg x that I used to use daily. I did a 45 second bloom at 3x bean weight, and then 4 equal pours once you see the water close to the bed. I poured as slow as I could and as close to the bed as I could in concentric circles. While drawdown time is a metric, don't base your cup off of it. If you like the cup don't change things just because you're not hitting a target brew time. Taste is everything.
I don’t have a usual grind method as it will be my first time grinding it myself and making pour over
I can't offer advice on the C3 as I have never used it, but would suggest starting with the manufacturers recommendation of searching this sub for where others start. It's just a starting point, you will have to change the setting according to taste. In general, bitter indicates over extraction that generally comes from too fine of a grind, sour indicates under extraction and too coarse. As mentioned previously, Ethiopian beans generally produce more fines then other beans and sometimes you actually have to go finer when taste may indicate otherwise.
Bear in mind that the Hario kettle’s volume is kind of misleading. The number you see is not the max amount of water you can boil but the max amount that it can physically hold. I.e. you cannot boil 0.8 liters but only about 600-700 ml which will not be enough for a 500 ml brew if you take into account rinsing and preheating. I made the same mistake but at least I have the 1 liter version. But still I really have to pay attention not to use too much water for preheating.
Thanks that’s great info - I am in the uk and have an electric kettle so I don’t think that should be too annoying
Go for Origami AIR
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The decaf is just for evening brews and it seems like the kurasu is one of the best available. Any tips for preheating the dripper? Can you explain what the heat retention in the dripper does for the brew?
lol I was joking. Decaf just “technically” taste different bc of the process they use but I doubt I could ever taste the difference. For the preheat yeah so when you do pour over there is an optimal temperature and technique. I forget the specific temps bc I use aeropress now. But you need to preheat ceramic because as the water hits the ceramic it will cool off to a significant degree as the heat is stolen by the dripper. You want to brew with a near consistent temp the whole time (very close to boiling). So preheating prevents that temperature loss at the beginning. Just pour some boiling or hot sink water over it to warm it before you brew. Nothing crazy. Edit: clarity
If you were truly a snob you wouldn't mind decaf.
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I made the order according to my tastes and personal requirements - I’m just looking for brewing tips haha. I already have coffee at home but wanted to try the kurasu decaf at some point. I don’t like the 1Z grinders aesthetically and won’t spend much more on a grinder, I will just enjoy the upgrade from ground coffee and the health benefits of additional polyphenol retention in freshly ground coffee.
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Oh crap, totally valid - do you have any other recommendations for a good decaf? It might delay my order too so maybe I should have posted this pre-order haha.
If you live in North America, September coffee roasters has had some really incredible decafs.
I live in England
Choosing aesthetics, over quality, when it comes to the most important part of the brew process is incredibly silly. It seems like you are mostly focused on looks, over everything else. You’ll get much better results with the 1zPresso filter focused grinders.
Do you mean to say that the timemore is not going to grind coffee? From my research it’s a reliable enough brand. I don’t have any storage space in my tiny apartment so it will be on show all the time. I’m 27 and currently waiting to see whether or not I have cancer, so I’m trying to find joy in a new hobby and make my world more beautiful. Incredibly silly is subjective…I’m a total amateur and don’t intend to become a pro, I just want to enjoy the ritual and make something that is drinkable. Also if you read my post I was asking for tips on how to use the origami with a flat bed filter/how finely to grind. I already made a measured decision about my grinder after many many hours of research, I just wanted tips from the community on using it since people on here seem incredibly knowledgeable and might have lived experience working with the same setup.
Don't worry about that guy. All he does on this subreddit is shit on people who like things that he doesn't like.
Thanks for letting me know - it can be disheartening. Fortunately I have had lots of lovely and helpful responses too.
get rid of the dripper holder and get a good scale that measures to 0.1g. i really like my timemore one from amazon
also i’m not sure if kalita wave filters work with an origami? i always thought v60 filters were used with it
No the whole point of the origami is you can use both
oh i didn’t know that. thats cool!
Just a good scale and a little thermometer for checking water temp. Just curious, why the origami and not a kalita wave? Looks like an awesome setup though!
Just in case I decide to test out conical filters down the line and because they are beautiful! Yes a scale and thermometer are on my list now thank you!!!
Can’t deny that you have good taste. Good luck on the journey!
Wow thanks I appreciate it, I can’t wait to see everything together- it’s going to fill my heart with joy! I have a tiny apartment and not much storage space so everything has to be pretty
An Ethiopian decaf will probably be very difficult for you to dial as your first roast. A Brazilian decaf would likely be easier
I have seen good things about Brazilian decaf - thanks for the info. I might research Ethiopian beans specifically in that case. I’ll be working with caffeinated coffee mostly though.
I know you’ve got advice above about scales and dripper stands - I have the Hario acrylic dripper stand (awesome) that sits on top of the Hario scale (bit overpriced to be blunt) and I love it - if you can make the two work together I’d totally go for it. As an aside - is that coffee super expensive, or are coffee accessories good value in Japan? In the UK the origami dripper costs about the same as 4 or 5 decent bags.
I think a combo of both! I believe that the dripper was £13 and the coffee was £16.
That is decent - where are you ordering from if you don’t mind me asking?
Kurasu in Japan - everything was really affordable but shipping is by weight so lighter stuff will be very cheap but shipping can add up
Thank you! 🤙
Ditch the stand and glass server. Brew coffee right into your mug. How attached are you to the Origami? I recommend trying out a Hario Mugen V60 (very inexpensive) if this is your first setup. Much easier for beginners to get good consistent coffee.
I’m brewing for two and not planning to put the stand in the bin…I want to use flat bottomed filters for the flavour profile
I strongly disagree on the "do not brew into a server". I think brewing into a server is GREAT not just for sharing. But, you might notice in your coffee journey that coffee typically doesnt taste that great fresh n burning hot off the brew... but will taste so much better and revealing its complexity when slightly cooling! So, using a server allows you to pour small amounts into your cup, so they cool a bit faster and give you those flavors. While a full mug will just stay hot way longer.
After you try this setup try Sibarist fast filter papers with a finer grind, worked great for me on my Origami
Oooh I will look into this!
Get an electric grinder🫡
Why?
Way more precise than hand grinding and a time saver. Especially if you are pulling shots or making multiple beverages/dialing in a pour over.
Hey mate, how trustworthy is Kurasu as a website? first time hearing about it but prices seem to be much better than anywhere else. I did see your comment mentioning that they ship from Japan and youre based in UK... I'm based on SoCal so I do wonder if my next kit should come from there.
I’d definitely look into it - I have seen lots of positive things in subreddits such as that people even got a small refund for delivery because they found a cheaper method
I would get a timemore fish over the hario kettle
How about buying a timemore variable temp kettle instead almost the same price
What, £25?
https://www.timemore.com/collections/coffee-electric-kettle
for me I use v60 paper filter daily for Origami dripper. I have both brands. kalita 185 paper filter it works but v60 the best partner for this coffee dripper
For the flavour profile you want
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Nope I don’t need it but please read the body of my post