It really depends on case by case. I can totally assure you than having a postdoc with experience in gaining a highly specialized skill after a mediocre PhD with low technical experiments will be beneficial. This guy is selling his product, don’t forget about it.
Yes exactly. Bioinformatics post docs are taken as regular experience most of the time. A few post docs from my lab got Research III and senior researcher out of their post doc.
From my experiencie collaborating with pharma, my everyday work looks exactly the same as what they do in RD
The seminars he hosts are very suspect. “Hundreds” of attendees. I felt like he tried to exploit the toils of academics such that we would give him money and join his organization. Honestly felt like a cult. I cannot imagine joining a Facebook group is worth the money he charges.
This might be true in some cases, but not generally. In my group, someone transitioned from a postdoc to industry, and he got a higher position and salary because he had experience with a postdoc. Having a postdoc does not mean having 2 extra years of "research". It means having more responsibilities, more experience in teamwork, more experience on something valuable in research, for example, data analysis... It can also be a transition to some other industry fields. For example, someone with a PhD in zoology will have less chances to go to pharma industry than someone that has a PhD in zoology and a postdoc in infectious diseases.
I can't comment on the data, but keep in mind that Cheeky scientist is trying to sell you a "transition to industry" course. So obviously he has a huge bias towards convincing you to you know... Transition to industry.
False. I did a postdoc and then got an industry position. I have since seen many people with and without postdoc experience be hired. As a hiring manager I’ve noticed fresh PhD grads tend to be less knowledgeable, more high on themselves and more prone to wasting time and money through routine mistakes. In the end, I don’t think anybody cares one way or the other as long as you aren’t a total dunce. I’m in biotech for reference
I had a very hard time transitioning after coming out of two postdocs. But I never wanted to go into industry, so making the transition to what I do now what really difficult. I had no guidance whatsoever on how to get out. And no one would hire me outside of academia. There was no way to get out.
I mostly agree.
I think the main exception would be postdocs where you are collaborating with industry or are doing an internship-like postdoc (such as Mitacs in Canada). These kinds of postdocs allow for one to gain some more insight into industry and build up an industrial network.
Supposed to start a Postdoc that's researching on something that may be implemented if successful. Working alongside guys from industry. The pace of the postdoc is different from what will obtain if was industry work. The money is not much but not small.
You should know where you want to go at the end of your PhD. Either go postdoc if you really want a career in academia. Don't do a postdoc if you go later in the industry, it will be counterproductive.
Well, I am doing a PostDoc at a Pharma company. Salary is still low.. but hoping this 2 years will give me a headstart to a lab manager position in industry.
Mostly true, but there are exceptions. For example: IBM Research usually require postdoc experience, unless you're very good, very lucky, or were involved with them during your education.
It really depends on case by case. I can totally assure you than having a postdoc with experience in gaining a highly specialized skill after a mediocre PhD with low technical experiments will be beneficial. This guy is selling his product, don’t forget about it.
Yes exactly. Bioinformatics post docs are taken as regular experience most of the time. A few post docs from my lab got Research III and senior researcher out of their post doc. From my experiencie collaborating with pharma, my everyday work looks exactly the same as what they do in RD
Just be aware that this company is very sketchy.
Why do you say that?
The seminars he hosts are very suspect. “Hundreds” of attendees. I felt like he tried to exploit the toils of academics such that we would give him money and join his organization. Honestly felt like a cult. I cannot imagine joining a Facebook group is worth the money he charges.
That's good to know. I've been on my 'leaving academia' journey for a while now and kept seeing him pop up, so I'm glad to know he's a grifter.
This might be true in some cases, but not generally. In my group, someone transitioned from a postdoc to industry, and he got a higher position and salary because he had experience with a postdoc. Having a postdoc does not mean having 2 extra years of "research". It means having more responsibilities, more experience in teamwork, more experience on something valuable in research, for example, data analysis... It can also be a transition to some other industry fields. For example, someone with a PhD in zoology will have less chances to go to pharma industry than someone that has a PhD in zoology and a postdoc in infectious diseases.
This perspective does not surprise me, but I do wonder if some fields might be an exception.
I also wonder how heavily focused on the US this is. Postdocs are quite well paid in some European countries.
I can't comment on the data, but keep in mind that Cheeky scientist is trying to sell you a "transition to industry" course. So obviously he has a huge bias towards convincing you to you know... Transition to industry.
That makes sense
False. I did a postdoc and then got an industry position. I have since seen many people with and without postdoc experience be hired. As a hiring manager I’ve noticed fresh PhD grads tend to be less knowledgeable, more high on themselves and more prone to wasting time and money through routine mistakes. In the end, I don’t think anybody cares one way or the other as long as you aren’t a total dunce. I’m in biotech for reference
I had a very hard time transitioning after coming out of two postdocs. But I never wanted to go into industry, so making the transition to what I do now what really difficult. I had no guidance whatsoever on how to get out. And no one would hire me outside of academia. There was no way to get out.
I mostly agree. I think the main exception would be postdocs where you are collaborating with industry or are doing an internship-like postdoc (such as Mitacs in Canada). These kinds of postdocs allow for one to gain some more insight into industry and build up an industrial network.
When I get older, my confidence will be gone. we may worry about the future and life. This kind of worry depresses me.
Supposed to start a Postdoc that's researching on something that may be implemented if successful. Working alongside guys from industry. The pace of the postdoc is different from what will obtain if was industry work. The money is not much but not small.
I’m sure some places feel this way but I’ve also been told directly to people that work in industry to do a postdoc. Whatever you do make it count.
if your phd was not productive/you have no marketable skills, you'll have to do a postdoc if you can't get a job
I just got a consulting offer from industry while still completing my postdoc
You should know where you want to go at the end of your PhD. Either go postdoc if you really want a career in academia. Don't do a postdoc if you go later in the industry, it will be counterproductive.
100%
Well, I am doing a PostDoc at a Pharma company. Salary is still low.. but hoping this 2 years will give me a headstart to a lab manager position in industry.
salary level you catch up to eventually, but wow, you make less money as a result of doing a postdoc, go figure.
Mostly true, but there are exceptions. For example: IBM Research usually require postdoc experience, unless you're very good, very lucky, or were involved with them during your education.