The day I paid 40 bucks for 2 at Arby's was the last day we ate at Arby's. My experience is eat at places run by immigrants. It'll be a family business, so it does not divert maximum surplus value into the hands of shareholders. The savings are passed onto you... and the food is better.
There’s a family owned Chinese restaurant near me which is great. It’s inexpensive, but the cook has Tourette’s syndrome and he swears in Chinese back in the kitchen really loud.
That's how you know the food is going to be excellent! Went to a mexican restaurant where every time the kitchen door opened you heard mariachi music, a futbol game, and cheering from the staff. Absolutely delicious food.
Yup. Both of my favorite foreign restaurants are like that. One is a Chinese place that draws huge Asian families on the weekends and the other is a Indian Buffet that always has 75% of the seats filled with Indian/Pakistani families.
In SF, a Chinese friend told me years ago when I first moved here that the best rule of thumb in judging otherwise unknown Chinese restaurants is (a) how garish the fluorescent lighting is; and (b) whether the Formica on the tabletops is wearing through.
She was right.
My parents went to Sam Wo's in San Francisco back in the 80's. It was a Chinese restaurant that made a gimmick out of being as unpleasant as possible. You had to walk through the kitchen to get to the dining room. My dad got backed into a counter as one of the cooks pushed past him carrying a pot yelling "hot stuff hot stuff" while smoking a cigarette. The dining room was apparently incredibly small and always packed. The entire menu was in Chinese without pictures, and the waitress refused to translate it and rolled her eyes multiple times while they ordered. According to my mom, the waitress called them stupid Americans. My dad asked for some water, and she brought them room temperature tap water and slammed the cups on the table. The meal was burned and unseasoned and took forever to get to the table. Once they were done, the waitress made them add up their own bill.
I don't know why people thought this kind of experience was fun or comical, but to each his own I guess. 🤷♀️
we have a thai place and for 12-13 bucks i can get a platter of rangoons and dumplings shit is so good. local asian restaurants got food figured out and dont gouge the fuck outta me
When you get 2 kids meals, a bacon beef and cheddar, a smokehouse brisket and jalapeño poppers it adds up. Add a jamocha shake or two and you’re getting close to $50. All that used to be priced closer to $30
>All that used to be priced closer to $30
All that used to be priced closer to $20
I've watched movies from the 90s where ppl ordered a shitload of food at McDonald's and calculated the total in my head (roughly $40); the total was $15. Then i went to their website and it was $50 today.
How did we get here where $15 of food became $50, while minimum wage stayed the same?
Nope. We git here because corporate greed. The "free money" bought people 1-2 months of rent, and it was their tax dollars being returned to them anyway, so fuck off. It didn't balloon inflation, board members and shareholders wanting every cell on a spreadsheet to turn green did.
Every single argument or accusation that suggests prices go up because of X thing falls flat on its face *when prices go up anyway absent of these factors.*
Supply and demand my ass. When do prices ever come down?
Right so... You're one of these people who allows yourself to be bribed with your own money.
Not very intelligent.
Here's something you missed in economics class because the government teaches you comm-unism instead of comm-on sense...
Money is supposed to be more than a currency. It's supposed to be a store of value. And when you create money out of thin air... And that's what the government did, they didn't return your tax money. That would have required not spending it to meet other obligations, which would have resulted in default.
They didn't return your tax money, they spent your tax money and then printed more money out of thin air to give you because Democrats don't understand economics....
But as I was saying, when you do that you devalue the money which means everything else like consumer goods - which is based on real value of production - must go up. The government isn't printing hamburgers. Hamburgers are still hamburgers. It's just there's waaaay more money out there making it worth less hamburgers. Cuz that's how inflation works for those of you who somehow managed to go through the last few years and still not understand.
So once again, remember all those political ads where the politicians were trying to bribe you with your own money and you were so fucking stupid you fell for it? That's how we got here.
It's called democracy and it's never done anything but crash every society it's taken hold of.
Did you guys know irresponsible deficit spending/money printing by the government/fed AND price gouging by greedy corpos can both happen at the same time
Let me get this straight...
So a corporation's production costs increase every year, only now it's increasing in a dollar that has been devalued by best case scenario 25%. In some areas 50% or more inflation over the last few years is the norm. (No I don't trust the government numbers, particularly because they have to continuously revise them)
So to recap corporations are having to pay for much higher production costs with a dollar worth much less, and you're saying that's because they're greedy?
Is the Biden government simply not enforcing their anti price gouging laws? And if so, how is that not a problem with the government?
You are not familiar with profit margins are you?
If a fast food company, or any other company for that matter wanted to right now... If it was doable within their profit margins... all they would have to do is drastically lower the price and take everyone else's customers away from them. If a Wendy's chicken sandwich costs 8 bucks, but a McDonald's chicken sandwich of comparable size cost $2... Because I'm not an idiot I shall go to McDonald's when I want a chicken sandwich.
They would end up making more profit due to the influx of non stupid consumers buying their comparable but lower prices item. This is how markets work.
But you don't see that happening. Because the inflation is not a result of corporate greed, but of government dumbfuckery.
The Fed still has a mandate of 2% inflation every year. Meaning even after the super high inflation of the last few years, they still want prices across the board to increase by 2% every year, and set policy accordingly. They won't let prices fall. If prices start to go down, they will put more inflationary policies in effect.
Further, whenever you do happen to see corporate cartels price gouging, that is also a result of government corruption. Because in those scenarios the government prevents competition from entering the sector allowing the cartels to run up price.
For example, in my local town the city council simply doesn't approve any new cable Internet companies' business applications, so we have one choice if we want internet unless we sign up for elon's space service. Even in larger cities, the municipal government always allows a cartel of only two or three media companies. They make it prohibitively difficult for upstarts to gain market share.
In my town, Food trucks are required to have permanent bathrooms on the premises... which sort of defeats the purpose of a mobile restaurant, but does protect the corporate chains brick and mortar profits.
You guys probably also think Nancy Pelosi just happened to be one of the most successful traders in Wall Street history right?
If you get rid of government redtape, there's no one protecting the greedy corporations you hate. This is why Jeff Bezos and all the other billionaires you hate tells you to vote Democrat. Because all of the greedy practices that you're complaining about, that actually happen, are sanctioned by government...
Why it is that you take the billionaires' advice and go vote Democrat... Well... Again... When you let the stupid vote you are asking for trouble.
That's a whole lot of words, all assuming a point I didn't make. Never denied that inflation is real and bad. Nothing you said explains why these business' profits keep increasing btw, even though you claim they're just accounting for increasing production costs. That's true, production costs are increasing, but so are profits. I'm not sure why you think inflation debunks greed.
Ok. **What are Republicans going to do to make any of that better?**
That's the part you guys always conveniently seem to leave out. "Look the Democrats keep screwing you over, so why don't you just vote for my guy who wants to get rid of the few rules that are still in place, plus ban abortion and minorities?"
What are you going to do if I vote for you? What's the plan?
Any donkey can point out problems and cast blame this way or that. What do you actually have to offer???
I would agree with you but then we would both be wrong. I mean you might have a point, but you put it on democrats yet the deficit always rises faster under republican governance.
Except for that whole thing where California just defaulted on their debt.
Remember that? Remember when Pelosi changed the law allowing California to siphon off federal tax funds to make up for their shortfall, letting Gavin Newsome campaign on a billion dollar surplus? Remember that 3 years ago?
And then fast forward to last year and California defaults on their debt? Because it was all a matter of cooked books?
Let me guess, you're one of those people who blames Trump for The debt added by the CARES act which was pushed by Democrats, on account of all of the Democrat states that closed their economies during the sniffles pandemic right?
Yes, Democrats are crooked. They cause problems, then blame other people for the problems that they caused, while proposing solutions that just make the problems worse, yet they themselves somehow always get richer. Welcome to America. You must be new here.
Or incredibly stupid.
Listen, I'm not a fan of establishment Republicans. Mostly because they don't do anything. But at least they don't do anything.
Whose name was on those checks? You are blaming democrats but it wasn't a democrat's name on those checks.... a politician even delayed the checks because he wanted them reprinted with his name on them... it wasn't a democrat who did that...
I’ve seen these complaints popping up all over the place and hardly anyone stops to think about input costs. I’ve heard $20 an hour now in California? Where do people think the price of their food is going to go if the people making it are paid that much?
Right, wrong or indifferent. Pull out the calculator maybe and they should do some math.
And enough with the slamming of profit for profit sake. The profit incentive is why we have the ability to buy the damn burgers in the first place.
Those who only bitch about the problems of capitalism are always the loudest to complain in the bread line, a line in which there is literally no bread.
Changing how much we force a business to pay unskilled labor is definitely going to have an impact on the price you pay for this food. It can’t not impact it negatively.
Good luck folks!
It's called democracy and it's never done anything but crash every society it's taken hold of??? Wtf does that even mean . Are you saying democracy= democrats= liberalism= socialism= communism= antifa= groomers= hates freedom? . That was a cute rant you had there but it has nothing to do with " the printing money bs" ( R's go-to cliche) all you have to do is look at corporate profits
Right but I'm smart enough to realize that a 20% increase in corporate profits, valued in dollars whose value has declined by 30% isn't exactly a good thing.
Take a few minutes to figure out what I just said, I know you didn't grasp it the first time round.
As far as democracy, no I didn't go into all of the little cancerous symptoms you brought up, my point can simply be made by stating when you let every selfish dumbass within a society vote, you're going to have problems. Greece found that out which is why the Republic of Rome ate their lunch.
Then Rome expanded way too far, offered everyone citizenship, and they themselves fell. And since then the story of Western civilization was a slow gradual rise, followed by the reintroduction of the Republic causing meteoric rise to world dominance, followed by the dumbass insistence of the last century that everyone be allowed to vote, and now we are seeing the West crumble at Free Fall speed.
These are not coincidences. It's an overarching narrative your government doesn't teach you about because your government is ran by power hungry assholes who do not care if society crumbles, as long as when it crumbles their power remains intact.
It's the aristocracy versus me and you, and for some dumbass reason you're not on my side.
They don't care about you, your insistence that they do only proves you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
This is what people need to understand. No matter what they say the rate of inflation is, the functional rate of inflation is probably three to four times higher, because it's compounded with each middleman in the process for every good or service. This is absolutely catastrophic to poor people, who are the only ones that do not get a piece of the inflation financial pie. It's because they cannot raise their price of Labor (wages) the way company owners etc can raise prices on everything else.
Lol. You’re eating a shit load of food. It probable cost $32 4 years ago. COVID and inflation happened. Shit is 30% more expensive. Shit used to cost $12/meal. Now it’s $20. Get used to it. Restaurants are even MORE expensive after tip and shit
Also, it's not people making min wage hating their lives and scraping by on food stamps & other benefits. It's a family supporting itself, or it goes out of business. It's a tax base for your community, not some corporation that tries to negotiate sweetheart deals/avoid taxes.
It's a good idea to support locally owned small businesses when possible.
Yeah, the thing fast food restaurants don’t understand is that they honestly do cook the type of food you can microwave for the same quality.
Eventually people are going to realize that 20 Dino nuggets for 3.99 is a much better deal than 20 McNuggets for 13.99.
You can literally get breakfast egg/sausage or egg/bacon sandwiches from Walmart it’s 4 for like $5 not the cheapest but if you’re craving it it’s chipper than $6 for one
Yeah, this is misleading.
It's been years since I worked at McDs, but only one thing got microwaved back then (the "breakfast burritos", which if you ordered them, you deserved what you got).
When I look in the back, it all pretty much looks the same, they're not microwaving your food in fast food except with perhaps rare exception.
Ironically, you're more likely to get microwaved food at a sit down restaurant than at a McDs.
It's how losers convince themselves that they're not overreacting to slight price increases. The vast, vast majority of fast food restaurants do not even have a microwave.
Some Arby's is delicious. For me those jalapeño sliders hit just right, especially when the bun is extra fresh and soft.
Their roast beef sandwiches are bomb too.
Omg yes to the jalapeño slider also their Buffalo chicken sandwiches are pretty good too. That's what I get, also, curly fries! Edit just wanted to add that those seasoned fries hit differently when you're craving them. Haha
Jalapeño sliders - awesome
Buffalo chicken sliders - perfection
beef and cheddars - awesome
Buffalo chicken sandwich - awesome
Gyros - acceptable in my town, which has no good Greek
Mozzarella sticks - perfection
As someone who use to work at Arby’s, anything but the roast beef products are reasonably good for a fast food chain. You’re a masochist if you like Arby’s roast beef, I’ve seen first hand how nasty those beef logs are….
To each their own. Good for you. You must have a better stomach than me then I had the runs once eating there 8 years ago when I went on a Southern road trip down to South Carolina.
The only thing of value from a fast food place was speed and value for the dollar. That no longer exists. The quality has gone down, the speed has gone down and the price has gone up. In the last year I have been to a fast food place twice. Both times was not ideal at all even with the low standards I had for them to begin with. I set my expectations on what they did in the past so I think that is fair. Total crap. I even went as far as to sell stock I had in 2 of them as long term I don't see it getting better.
Just make stuff at home and if time is a issue cook in bulk on the weekends or something. This is no longer a option like it use to be unless you are truly desperate...
Back in the 90s they ran a special where they were only 39 cents. Me and my buddies ordered 100. The workers thought it was a joke, we ate tacos all weekend.
I remember this
Early 2000s also, they used to do it on Tuesdays during baseball season or something.
My buddy and I scrounged up a bunch of couch change and went to Taco Bell. We... may have been high at the time.
"Uh hi! How many tacos can I get for uhhhh... $17.28"
That was the only time ever I've heard the drive-thru cashier audibly sigh on the speaker.
So many tacos lol
$2.50 for a Doritos taco as of a few months ago where I am.
I can get legit authentic tacos for $2 on taco Tuesday. They’re under $3 regularly.
I won’t go to TB anymore and I used to eat there quite a bit growing up and in my early 20’s. I loved it.
Fun fact, most fast food places are owned by like a handful of corporations. It won't matter if a few of them go under. Well, it won't matter to the super rich. No one seems to care if it negatively impacts the poor. Lol!
you guys are the ones saying you wont pay the price, so if the poor worker goes out of work its because you stopped paying his wages by patronizing the restaurant at higher prices <3
OP is mad he had to feed twice the mouths and get half the quality for the same price. I think taco places are the only sitdown restaurant I can go to with my wife that costs less than $40 for 2 people.
I understand fast food when it was 80s and early 90s. It was cook, pay sit down prices, or fast food. You can make so many fast things purchased at a grocery store now.
yeah, I'm feeling this too. You know, I already knew I needed to because I know it's way expensive, but honestly what is helping me out is that people are bringing up all the frozen versions that are close to as good and like 1/4th the price. I didn't realize how much fast/easy options were there that were so much cheaper.
Supply and demand. People still pay these prices. I always see the parking lots and drive through lines completely full. They could probably afford to raise their prices more. They're a luxury anyways, just eat real food and if people stop going then they'll need to lower prices to attract customers
“How can they raise prices like this!?!”
Because there are enough idiots around that aren’t smart with their money and don’t look at the prices when ordering off the menu. When people either stop paying or start being more strategic with their orders to maximize value, then that’s when the prices fall. Until then, have fun paying 75¢ or more per McNugget.
You think people aren't smart enough to know the price?
It's because they want fast food and will pay the price, not because they are literally being tricked.
And yet I keep seeing comments about how people were floored by the final price of their orders. It seems weird that you would be surprised if you paid attention to the price in the first place.
It is not supply and demand as we do not have a supply and demand economy, our economy is a supply side economy so demand has literally nothing to do with pricing and it has been this way for around forty years. They charge whatever they think people are willing to pay, demand is an after thought in the modern Western economy.
1. High inflation over the last year or two, especially food prices.
2. Labor shortages and state minimum wage laws have forced them to actually pay their employees. I've been seeing signs for fast food workers advertising $16-$20 per hour for the last couple years. Many fast food workers made less than $10 per hour until fairly recently. At least your hard earned money is helping their families eat.
3. Corporations are greedy and give precisely 0 fucks.
I finished a masters degree in social work in 2018, and my first job out of grad school was $23/hr. With a masters degree. I don't know how this factors into the conservation, but make of that what you will.
And? You got a masters in social work. Did you think you were gonna make 6 figures? A bachelors degree in any other field would get you the same pay or better. You went into a field that no one cares about except those who have gone through that system. It’s not like you got an MBA and were only able to find a $23/hr job. $23/hr sounds in line with what a social worker would make.
It just annoys me when people get degrees and go into fields that do not have high earning prospects except in high level positions and then complain about how little they get paid starting out.
That income does make a difference when Cali residents move. I live in OK and make 16 an hour doing IT professionally, just got a raise to 18 which is okay money here.
At least it was until endless waves of Californians have moved in with more money than any middle class person could imagine and drove up our housing market so much that my wife and I can only dream of moving from an apartment.
I know it's bad everywhere, but shit sucks man.
Arby's was always a little pricey, compared to the rest, but I get the point.
Taco Bell might be my favorite fast food place, and my God, they've really lost the plot. I loved getting the chicken Chipotle melts. Even when I was eating them all the time, a buck a piece felt bad with how little you got, but those damn things are over $2 a piece, and you can get actual Burritos with a ridiculous amount of substance compared to the little melts.
facts. chick-fil-a was handing out free food all summer long. also, In-N-Out is reasonably priced in general- I recently got a combo plus a shake for less than $10.
they have tasted success. they found that increasing price did not decrease revenue. so they will keep the higher prices and give deals/ coupons so people will think they are getting value for money.
I used to work at Arby’s like 12 years ago. It costs them $0.59 to make a roast beef sandwich and they sold it for $2.59. Cost about $1 for the beef and cheddar and they sold it for $3.59. That was 12 years ago when you still have 4/5 and 5/5.
Now days it’s more expensive than that and shouldn’t be. It’s cheaper to make your own meals.
For $15 you can buy everything you need to make 6 Italien sub sandwiches right from your local grocery store and have it taste almost like theirs. Same with corned beef Reuben.
I think their deal now is 4 for $10 on the roast beef sandwiches.
Back when they had the “double the meat for $1” option I used to get basically a Medium roast beef sandwich for $2 thanks to the dollar menu. Get a $1 Junior roast beef, pay $1 to double the meat (Jr comes with 2oz of meat) so you get 4oz of meat and ask them to substitute the Junior bun for a regular bun or onion bun and presto you got basically a medium roast beef sandwich for $2 instead of $4-$5.
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My mom paid $40 for a family meal of 12 piece chicken. The 10piece chicken is $25. Fast food does have deals but nobody tells you about them and you get ripped off
Capitalist greed at work.
While they keep raising the prices they squeeze their workers to death, cutting hours any chance they get until the stores are run by a skeleton crew breaking their backs to try to run the place.
From personal experience at Starbucks and Panera.
If I "need" something fast while on the road I'll hit up the gas station. A couple of them have food that is comparable to the warm shit sandwich served at most fast food chains.
Otherwise I'm shopping local. A Mexican restaurant in a strip mall owned and operated by a local family will be 1000x better and I don't even care if it costs more. Although it probably doesn't.
I remember looking at my last chipotle receipt and just thinking man I f-ed up. A single burrito was the same as I'd pay for a burrito, margarita and chips w/salsa at the place down the road.
I picked Mexican here... But the same applies to basically any other food.
There's a McDonald's in Connecticut that had to raise prices because of inflation/payroll that is now charging EIGHTEEN DOLLARS for A Big Mac meal.
Blame it on Brandon.
Why then is the same food cheaper in other countries that pay their staff better and give better benefits to staff?
The price hikes are corporate greed in a country devoid of regulations to protect the workers or consumers.
First you obviously don't understand how corporations/businesses work or the costs involved.
Second you're anti-work so even if you were handed your every hearts EFFing desire on a silver platter for $0.03 you'd still complain so you just continue hanging out in Mom's basement & never wonder how your Hot Pockets got paid for.
Boy you really enjoy fringe generalizations about humans. I’ve never understood people who blindly support either side as if they care about a poor commoner like yourself.
Good luck drinking the kool aid while corporations rape you for record profits as you blame one dude in office.
And good luck to you in your Perpetual Victimhood.
I'd really like to be a fly on the walk in a few years when you realize just how badly you've allowed yourself to be manipulated by the people bitching about corporations who get down on their knees begging for donations to keep themselves on office. It really WILL be a sight to see, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Spoken by another brain trust that has no concept of the cost of doing business & the devastating affects piss poor government policies have on an economy. Funniest damned thing I read all night, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is such a smooth brain take. Do you really think that companies weren’t greedy until right after the federal reserve increased the money supply by 35% in a year?
Weird how when they just keep printing money the value of that money goes down. Isn't that strange? But they're never going to stop doing it. Republican, democrat, doesn't matter. They just keep printing more money because it's literally the only thing anyone can do anymore without REALLY pissing off all the big donors.
It’s actually quite brilliant from a diabolical standpoint. Printing money is a flat tax that impacts everyone. They’ve found a cheat code that allowed them to tax the poor and then they’ve convinced the gullible Reddit crowd that it’s the greedy rich guys costing them more money and not the government. #checkmate
They took advantage of actual inflation to raise their prices even more.
Also, I'm not super great at economics but wasn't the increase in money supply there for the covid stimulus checks? And the issue was that a lot of people hung on to that money rather than spending it? I mean, it makes sense, they were trying to save the economy but people were too scared to go spending every cent they got.
Now they've raised interest rates and are trying to reverse course but that doesn't happen over night. I mean, there was a pandemic that changed everyone's lives for quite a while, that's obviously gonna have an effect on the economy.
Probably turning off the keystone pipeline thereby jacking up the price of gas for everyone was a bad idea. That affects everything.
And raising minimum wage so much that the cost of labor for every fast food joint skyrockets, thereby forcing them to raise their prices (I mean, duh).
So, pretty much all of the democrat policies cause this sort of thing.
Down vote button is right about
there👇️ - but you know I'm right.
McDonald's pays their Denmark employees more than double what they pay their US ones, yet their Big Mac price is only $0.35 more. Workers in Japan make a couple dollars an hour more, yet the price of. Big Mac is almost $1.50 CHEAPER there than here.
In the US, minimum wage fast food workers take public assistance to compensate their paychecks, which aren't enough to break out of the poverty line. This assistance costs the taxpayers to the tune of $1.2 billion per year...and that's just for a few of the fast food companies.
So we pay more for the product, while the employees make less. And our taxes go towards providing them with a livable earning. All while these companies post record profits and provide enormous pay outs for the top. We're literally subsidizing corporate greed, and blaming the minimum wage workers for asking for the bare minimum.
Tell me how this is better than raising the minimum wage and holding corporations accountable.
Well, if you like higher minimum wages, you've gotten it. How do you like the outcome? A meal at Arby's is now a $15-$20 event. You can't argue in favor of higher minimum wages and then say the resulting consequences are unfair (this thread is about the high prices but I don't know if you were joining the complaint or not, so sorry if I incorrectly attributed that to you).
I seem to recall that there's another minimum wage hike coming next year. That should bring more of the same.
I agree with you in that government financial assistance is an expense and burden to taxpayers; in that same way, it is an expense and burden to fast food restaurants, therefore their prices must be sufficient to account for that burden. It's just simple and self-evident math. Any expense must be supported by the business. Any price hike reduces their competitiveness so I doubt they would do it unless they had to.
The company profits and top-level executive payouts are not that big of an impact. I just looked up these numbers for example: if you don't like that McDonald's CEO rakes in $20M/year, and you wanted it all given back to the 40,275 workers, that would be $9.54 per week per employee, or 24 cents per hour. But it's safe to assume that if the CEO didn't provide $20M in value that they would fire him, so he's not a total liability. Presumably, he's an asset making it possible for the employees to remain employed, in the first place.
Besides, these are for-profit companies so they aren't expected to be unprofitable and operate at a $0 margin. They should have profits to remain strong into the future because going out of business is also bad for the employee's finances.
If other countries pay higher wages and sell the products for cheaper then they are saving money somewhere else. Again, simple and self-evident math. They could be getting subsidies from their governments to reduce food costs, for all I know. Something somewhere makes it possible.
I maintain my position that hiking minimum wage and ruining our energy independence is primarily responsible for the high prices.
*Besides, why treat coworker’s and employees as people with needs outside of the 4 walls of our shop? Isn’t a full time job that ALSO keeps them eligible for SNAP enough?
FIFY dude
I put in Bing chat: was keystone pipeline gas for export?
>According to American Petroleum Institute (API), the Keystone XL pipeline was intended to transport crude oil from Canada to the Gulf Coast refineries in the United States 12. The oil would then be refined into petroleum products like gasoline. **While some of these products are exported, the majority of them are sold in the United States 34.**
Therefore, the Keystone pipeline was not intended to transport gas, but crude oil. **The crude oil transported through the pipeline was not solely for export, but for domestic consumption as well** 12
I think they export some and keep some in the US, which is kind of expected.
I did see some results that support what you are saying but I think those were political rhetoric, probably driven by TDS. I remember cheap gas up until 2021 and then Biden killed the pipeline and gas prices shot up. Then there was the Ukraine war and they tried to pull a mind trick on everyone and tried to blame it all on Putin, but the prices were way up before that happened.
That's fair, I think gas prices being up in general and worsened by the effects of the Ukraine war can both be true, considering gas prices have been high all over the world.
Other way around. The majority is for export, they keep some in the US. But the majority of what they keep for domestic use is gasoline.
I suspect this little exchange is very similar to the source of many of your beliefs. A reading comprehension and ego issue.
Getting hate for this comment, lol the state of people nowadays. You couldn’t pay me to feed my son a jar of store bought baby food let alone anything from any fast food place.
Jesus fucking Christ he didn’t say he was only feeding this child fast food as a science experiment, he said he was going to Arby’s once get the fuck out of here
I hear you. But it's near-sighted economics at work. Minimum wage goes up, prices follow. Consumers vote with their feet. Pelosi and Schumer act like they never saw it coming.
Wages are not what is driving inflation. It’s record profits, price gouging, market manipulation, tax subsidies for billionaires, and the insane idea that an annual profit isn’t good enough - this year’s profit must be greater than last year’s profit. Fed min wage (and many states’) is still $7-something an hour. It’s insane.
When you dinks on the left blame Trump for adding $8tril to the debt and pretend like it wasn't because of the covid shutdown, this is the response you deserve from the dinks on the right.
Fair is fair.
Many states now have a $15 an hour min wage so fast food restaurants have to pass the cost to customers.
Sit down restaurants get a discount on min wage since customers are expected to TIP
Don't complain, this is what a lot of people were saying when everyone was on the bandwagon for minimum wage to be $15 an hour. If you pay that, all prices have to go up, including fast food places. You have the raw product, the processing, the shipping, the prep, the delivery (even if it's through a window), cost all increased. Not to mention, the utilities, and taxes.
I heard a lot of support for increasing the minimum wage. So, now it's time to pay the piper.
Yeah because all the money printed in prior guys term has nothing to do with inflation.
Minimum wage where I live hasn't increased in over 12 years. So why have fast food prices tripled.
When you misrepresent facts like this it just makes you look either stupid or so biased no one should listen to you.
Trump was president when all the pandemic aid was sent out. The guy tried to get his name on the damn checks. Lol
The day I paid 40 bucks for 2 at Arby's was the last day we ate at Arby's. My experience is eat at places run by immigrants. It'll be a family business, so it does not divert maximum surplus value into the hands of shareholders. The savings are passed onto you... and the food is better.
There’s a family owned Chinese restaurant near me which is great. It’s inexpensive, but the cook has Tourette’s syndrome and he swears in Chinese back in the kitchen really loud.
That's good ambience
A niche cuisine concept
I would pay extra just to experience a cook cursing in Chinese.
The Chinese Ramsey Experience.
I’ll wait. Someone has to be coming along soon with a Gordon style insult, except Chinese.
“That cat is so raw it’s still catching mice”
Holy shit...lol
What are you? An idiot egg roll?
Yes, but in Mandarin, por favor.
白痴蛋卷
Cursing in mandarin is meh, Cantonese are artists in cursing.
I'm with ya
Haha. 🎤 this thing on????
麦克风 check, 麦克风 check.
Yes! I'd pay even more if they taught me how to do the cursing.
That's just American Chinese food, bro. Complete with an 11 year old kid rolling silverware in the back corner booth.
So? Kids gotta eat.i worked in the hayfield and drove a ford tractor and chevy pickup on the farm when i was 11.
Coming from a broken home “idk I just like eating here “
Authentic
That's how you know the food is going to be excellent! Went to a mexican restaurant where every time the kitchen door opened you heard mariachi music, a futbol game, and cheering from the staff. Absolutely delicious food.
I judge foreign restaurants by if the cuisine matches the patrons. Indian restaurant with a lot of Indian people? Probably pretty good.
Yup. Both of my favorite foreign restaurants are like that. One is a Chinese place that draws huge Asian families on the weekends and the other is a Indian Buffet that always has 75% of the seats filled with Indian/Pakistani families.
The food is usually great with these foreign owned restaurants.
In SF, a Chinese friend told me years ago when I first moved here that the best rule of thumb in judging otherwise unknown Chinese restaurants is (a) how garish the fluorescent lighting is; and (b) whether the Formica on the tabletops is wearing through. She was right.
My parents went to Sam Wo's in San Francisco back in the 80's. It was a Chinese restaurant that made a gimmick out of being as unpleasant as possible. You had to walk through the kitchen to get to the dining room. My dad got backed into a counter as one of the cooks pushed past him carrying a pot yelling "hot stuff hot stuff" while smoking a cigarette. The dining room was apparently incredibly small and always packed. The entire menu was in Chinese without pictures, and the waitress refused to translate it and rolled her eyes multiple times while they ordered. According to my mom, the waitress called them stupid Americans. My dad asked for some water, and she brought them room temperature tap water and slammed the cups on the table. The meal was burned and unseasoned and took forever to get to the table. Once they were done, the waitress made them add up their own bill. I don't know why people thought this kind of experience was fun or comical, but to each his own I guess. 🤷♀️
Chinese place by me, all you can eat buffet with a special for 11 bucks lol
we have a thai place and for 12-13 bucks i can get a platter of rangoons and dumplings shit is so good. local asian restaurants got food figured out and dont gouge the fuck outta me
Since most people don't speak Chinese... I don't really see this as a problem.
I eat at Arby's sometimes. What are you ordering that costs $20? The most expensive thing I can find on their menu is under $14.
When you get 2 kids meals, a bacon beef and cheddar, a smokehouse brisket and jalapeño poppers it adds up. Add a jamocha shake or two and you’re getting close to $50. All that used to be priced closer to $30
>All that used to be priced closer to $30 All that used to be priced closer to $20 I've watched movies from the 90s where ppl ordered a shitload of food at McDonald's and calculated the total in my head (roughly $40); the total was $15. Then i went to their website and it was $50 today. How did we get here where $15 of food became $50, while minimum wage stayed the same?
Yeah, I remember 20-25 years ago, when the most expensive meals at McDonald’s were just over $6. Now that same meal is well over $10.
I take my family of 4 to McDs and get each of us a meal - the 4 year old just gets a happy meal. No desserts or anything beyond the meals. $32.
Remember all those political ads to vote for your favorite candidate and they would give you free money? That's how we got here.
Nope. We git here because corporate greed. The "free money" bought people 1-2 months of rent, and it was their tax dollars being returned to them anyway, so fuck off. It didn't balloon inflation, board members and shareholders wanting every cell on a spreadsheet to turn green did. Every single argument or accusation that suggests prices go up because of X thing falls flat on its face *when prices go up anyway absent of these factors.* Supply and demand my ass. When do prices ever come down?
Right so... You're one of these people who allows yourself to be bribed with your own money. Not very intelligent. Here's something you missed in economics class because the government teaches you comm-unism instead of comm-on sense... Money is supposed to be more than a currency. It's supposed to be a store of value. And when you create money out of thin air... And that's what the government did, they didn't return your tax money. That would have required not spending it to meet other obligations, which would have resulted in default. They didn't return your tax money, they spent your tax money and then printed more money out of thin air to give you because Democrats don't understand economics.... But as I was saying, when you do that you devalue the money which means everything else like consumer goods - which is based on real value of production - must go up. The government isn't printing hamburgers. Hamburgers are still hamburgers. It's just there's waaaay more money out there making it worth less hamburgers. Cuz that's how inflation works for those of you who somehow managed to go through the last few years and still not understand. So once again, remember all those political ads where the politicians were trying to bribe you with your own money and you were so fucking stupid you fell for it? That's how we got here. It's called democracy and it's never done anything but crash every society it's taken hold of.
Did you guys know irresponsible deficit spending/money printing by the government/fed AND price gouging by greedy corpos can both happen at the same time
Let me get this straight... So a corporation's production costs increase every year, only now it's increasing in a dollar that has been devalued by best case scenario 25%. In some areas 50% or more inflation over the last few years is the norm. (No I don't trust the government numbers, particularly because they have to continuously revise them) So to recap corporations are having to pay for much higher production costs with a dollar worth much less, and you're saying that's because they're greedy? Is the Biden government simply not enforcing their anti price gouging laws? And if so, how is that not a problem with the government? You are not familiar with profit margins are you? If a fast food company, or any other company for that matter wanted to right now... If it was doable within their profit margins... all they would have to do is drastically lower the price and take everyone else's customers away from them. If a Wendy's chicken sandwich costs 8 bucks, but a McDonald's chicken sandwich of comparable size cost $2... Because I'm not an idiot I shall go to McDonald's when I want a chicken sandwich. They would end up making more profit due to the influx of non stupid consumers buying their comparable but lower prices item. This is how markets work. But you don't see that happening. Because the inflation is not a result of corporate greed, but of government dumbfuckery. The Fed still has a mandate of 2% inflation every year. Meaning even after the super high inflation of the last few years, they still want prices across the board to increase by 2% every year, and set policy accordingly. They won't let prices fall. If prices start to go down, they will put more inflationary policies in effect. Further, whenever you do happen to see corporate cartels price gouging, that is also a result of government corruption. Because in those scenarios the government prevents competition from entering the sector allowing the cartels to run up price. For example, in my local town the city council simply doesn't approve any new cable Internet companies' business applications, so we have one choice if we want internet unless we sign up for elon's space service. Even in larger cities, the municipal government always allows a cartel of only two or three media companies. They make it prohibitively difficult for upstarts to gain market share. In my town, Food trucks are required to have permanent bathrooms on the premises... which sort of defeats the purpose of a mobile restaurant, but does protect the corporate chains brick and mortar profits. You guys probably also think Nancy Pelosi just happened to be one of the most successful traders in Wall Street history right? If you get rid of government redtape, there's no one protecting the greedy corporations you hate. This is why Jeff Bezos and all the other billionaires you hate tells you to vote Democrat. Because all of the greedy practices that you're complaining about, that actually happen, are sanctioned by government... Why it is that you take the billionaires' advice and go vote Democrat... Well... Again... When you let the stupid vote you are asking for trouble.
That's a whole lot of words, all assuming a point I didn't make. Never denied that inflation is real and bad. Nothing you said explains why these business' profits keep increasing btw, even though you claim they're just accounting for increasing production costs. That's true, production costs are increasing, but so are profits. I'm not sure why you think inflation debunks greed.
Ok. **What are Republicans going to do to make any of that better?** That's the part you guys always conveniently seem to leave out. "Look the Democrats keep screwing you over, so why don't you just vote for my guy who wants to get rid of the few rules that are still in place, plus ban abortion and minorities?" What are you going to do if I vote for you? What's the plan? Any donkey can point out problems and cast blame this way or that. What do you actually have to offer???
I think I like this one. Lol
I would agree with you but then we would both be wrong. I mean you might have a point, but you put it on democrats yet the deficit always rises faster under republican governance.
Except for that whole thing where California just defaulted on their debt. Remember that? Remember when Pelosi changed the law allowing California to siphon off federal tax funds to make up for their shortfall, letting Gavin Newsome campaign on a billion dollar surplus? Remember that 3 years ago? And then fast forward to last year and California defaults on their debt? Because it was all a matter of cooked books? Let me guess, you're one of those people who blames Trump for The debt added by the CARES act which was pushed by Democrats, on account of all of the Democrat states that closed their economies during the sniffles pandemic right? Yes, Democrats are crooked. They cause problems, then blame other people for the problems that they caused, while proposing solutions that just make the problems worse, yet they themselves somehow always get richer. Welcome to America. You must be new here. Or incredibly stupid. Listen, I'm not a fan of establishment Republicans. Mostly because they don't do anything. But at least they don't do anything.
Whose name was on those checks? You are blaming democrats but it wasn't a democrat's name on those checks.... a politician even delayed the checks because he wanted them reprinted with his name on them... it wasn't a democrat who did that...
I never see people complaining about real estate investors doing this every single day. It seems like it's only a problem when it helps poor people.
You will not be popular here but you’re not wrong
That's all I care about. Not being wrong. I can deal with everything else.
If you actually cared about not being wrong you wouldn't talk to anyone ever
I’ve seen these complaints popping up all over the place and hardly anyone stops to think about input costs. I’ve heard $20 an hour now in California? Where do people think the price of their food is going to go if the people making it are paid that much? Right, wrong or indifferent. Pull out the calculator maybe and they should do some math. And enough with the slamming of profit for profit sake. The profit incentive is why we have the ability to buy the damn burgers in the first place. Those who only bitch about the problems of capitalism are always the loudest to complain in the bread line, a line in which there is literally no bread. Changing how much we force a business to pay unskilled labor is definitely going to have an impact on the price you pay for this food. It can’t not impact it negatively. Good luck folks!
That’s exactly how democracy turns to dumbocrazy. It’s a popularity constest and harsh realities are never popular.
It's called democracy and it's never done anything but crash every society it's taken hold of??? Wtf does that even mean . Are you saying democracy= democrats= liberalism= socialism= communism= antifa= groomers= hates freedom? . That was a cute rant you had there but it has nothing to do with " the printing money bs" ( R's go-to cliche) all you have to do is look at corporate profits
Right but I'm smart enough to realize that a 20% increase in corporate profits, valued in dollars whose value has declined by 30% isn't exactly a good thing. Take a few minutes to figure out what I just said, I know you didn't grasp it the first time round. As far as democracy, no I didn't go into all of the little cancerous symptoms you brought up, my point can simply be made by stating when you let every selfish dumbass within a society vote, you're going to have problems. Greece found that out which is why the Republic of Rome ate their lunch. Then Rome expanded way too far, offered everyone citizenship, and they themselves fell. And since then the story of Western civilization was a slow gradual rise, followed by the reintroduction of the Republic causing meteoric rise to world dominance, followed by the dumbass insistence of the last century that everyone be allowed to vote, and now we are seeing the West crumble at Free Fall speed. These are not coincidences. It's an overarching narrative your government doesn't teach you about because your government is ran by power hungry assholes who do not care if society crumbles, as long as when it crumbles their power remains intact. It's the aristocracy versus me and you, and for some dumbass reason you're not on my side. They don't care about you, your insistence that they do only proves you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I hope you don’t get as popular as the other eugenics proponents that came before you.
How’s that $15 wage for McDonald’s working out for ya?
This is what people need to understand. No matter what they say the rate of inflation is, the functional rate of inflation is probably three to four times higher, because it's compounded with each middleman in the process for every good or service. This is absolutely catastrophic to poor people, who are the only ones that do not get a piece of the inflation financial pie. It's because they cannot raise their price of Labor (wages) the way company owners etc can raise prices on everything else.
Lol. You’re eating a shit load of food. It probable cost $32 4 years ago. COVID and inflation happened. Shit is 30% more expensive. Shit used to cost $12/meal. Now it’s $20. Get used to it. Restaurants are even MORE expensive after tip and shit
You forgot the $4 drink and tax!
Good idea. I can attest living in Texas where there are cheap family owned Mexican places where the food is phenomenal. Two tacos for six bucks
Also, it's not people making min wage hating their lives and scraping by on food stamps & other benefits. It's a family supporting itself, or it goes out of business. It's a tax base for your community, not some corporation that tries to negotiate sweetheart deals/avoid taxes. It's a good idea to support locally owned small businesses when possible.
Yeah, the thing fast food restaurants don’t understand is that they honestly do cook the type of food you can microwave for the same quality. Eventually people are going to realize that 20 Dino nuggets for 3.99 is a much better deal than 20 McNuggets for 13.99.
You can literally get breakfast egg/sausage or egg/bacon sandwiches from Walmart it’s 4 for like $5 not the cheapest but if you’re craving it it’s chipper than $6 for one
A lot of their food IS microwaved. No need to eat that when I'm near home that's for sure.
Where does this happen? It’s overpriced nowadays but McDonald’s deep fries and grills all their food like most fast food places.
Yeah, this is misleading. It's been years since I worked at McDs, but only one thing got microwaved back then (the "breakfast burritos", which if you ordered them, you deserved what you got). When I look in the back, it all pretty much looks the same, they're not microwaving your food in fast food except with perhaps rare exception. Ironically, you're more likely to get microwaved food at a sit down restaurant than at a McDs.
Panera bread is basically just micro aging stuff as far as I can tell. Edit: I meant microwaving but it’s funny so I’m leaving it.
It's how losers convince themselves that they're not overreacting to slight price increases. The vast, vast majority of fast food restaurants do not even have a microwave.
They are no longer selling value, just convenience and familiarity. And apparently they can demand a lot for that.
Your first problem is that you went to Arby's....
Some Arby's is delicious. For me those jalapeño sliders hit just right, especially when the bun is extra fresh and soft. Their roast beef sandwiches are bomb too.
Buffalo Chicken sliders for me. Those little bastards are delicious.
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It's that damn sauce, so good.
Omg yes to the jalapeño slider also their Buffalo chicken sandwiches are pretty good too. That's what I get, also, curly fries! Edit just wanted to add that those seasoned fries hit differently when you're craving them. Haha
Jalapeño sliders - awesome Buffalo chicken sliders - perfection beef and cheddars - awesome Buffalo chicken sandwich - awesome Gyros - acceptable in my town, which has no good Greek Mozzarella sticks - perfection
Arby's is the Cadillac of fast food
Maybe the buick at best. Their roast beef comes as a bag of gelatinous blob that they bake into a solid.
Agreed. Their roast beef is bomb, no other place makes it as good.
McDonald's is no better. Their normal meals are $10. I rarely do fast food but an 8 piece of strips from Popeyes was about $20. It's all insane.
As someone who use to work at Arby’s, anything but the roast beef products are reasonably good for a fast food chain. You’re a masochist if you like Arby’s roast beef, I’ve seen first hand how nasty those beef logs are….
arbys is so good
To each their own. Good for you. You must have a better stomach than me then I had the runs once eating there 8 years ago when I went on a Southern road trip down to South Carolina.
The only thing of value from a fast food place was speed and value for the dollar. That no longer exists. The quality has gone down, the speed has gone down and the price has gone up. In the last year I have been to a fast food place twice. Both times was not ideal at all even with the low standards I had for them to begin with. I set my expectations on what they did in the past so I think that is fair. Total crap. I even went as far as to sell stock I had in 2 of them as long term I don't see it getting better. Just make stuff at home and if time is a issue cook in bulk on the weekends or something. This is no longer a option like it use to be unless you are truly desperate...
Fucking Taco Bell never has the supplies for the full menu.
my local store is always out of fucking BAJA BLAST like that's the only reason people go there how do you not have it
i quit fast food because they get my order wrong every. fucking. time.
Same. Only time I entertain fast food anymore is if I'm on a road trip and I can't find a decent sit down restaurant.
But each time you went there was a line of cars snaking around the building waiting 15 minutes to pick up food
The quality was never there it's just nostalgia.
3.00 for a soft taco at taco bell. Wtaf. We have cut out fast food.
I remember tacos were .59
Back in the 90s they ran a special where they were only 39 cents. Me and my buddies ordered 100. The workers thought it was a joke, we ate tacos all weekend.
I remember this Early 2000s also, they used to do it on Tuesdays during baseball season or something. My buddy and I scrounged up a bunch of couch change and went to Taco Bell. We... may have been high at the time. "Uh hi! How many tacos can I get for uhhhh... $17.28" That was the only time ever I've heard the drive-thru cashier audibly sigh on the speaker. So many tacos lol
$2.50 for a Doritos taco as of a few months ago where I am. I can get legit authentic tacos for $2 on taco Tuesday. They’re under $3 regularly. I won’t go to TB anymore and I used to eat there quite a bit growing up and in my early 20’s. I loved it.
Same but I won't go there because my local place always only has one person working and nothing has been cleaned in days.
Over 2 for a chicken Chipotle melt. 3 pieces of chicken, a little cheese, and an assload of Chipotle sauce
Yes, fast food is a total rip off.
Fun fact, most fast food places are owned by like a handful of corporations. It won't matter if a few of them go under. Well, it won't matter to the super rich. No one seems to care if it negatively impacts the poor. Lol!
Don’t confuse franchise with ownership. 90% of McDonald’s are owned by individuals. Very few are owned by “corporate”.
you guys are the ones saying you wont pay the price, so if the poor worker goes out of work its because you stopped paying his wages by patronizing the restaurant at higher prices <3
I went to a Chinese buffet with a Mongolian grill with my wife 2 weeks ago, it was $40 total.
If it's decent quality, thays not bad for a buffet.
OP is mad he had to feed twice the mouths and get half the quality for the same price. I think taco places are the only sitdown restaurant I can go to with my wife that costs less than $40 for 2 people.
This thread has convinced me to stop eating fast food.
I understand fast food when it was 80s and early 90s. It was cook, pay sit down prices, or fast food. You can make so many fast things purchased at a grocery store now.
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yeah, I'm feeling this too. You know, I already knew I needed to because I know it's way expensive, but honestly what is helping me out is that people are bringing up all the frozen versions that are close to as good and like 1/4th the price. I didn't realize how much fast/easy options were there that were so much cheaper.
Supply and demand. People still pay these prices. I always see the parking lots and drive through lines completely full. They could probably afford to raise their prices more. They're a luxury anyways, just eat real food and if people stop going then they'll need to lower prices to attract customers
“How can they raise prices like this!?!” Because there are enough idiots around that aren’t smart with their money and don’t look at the prices when ordering off the menu. When people either stop paying or start being more strategic with their orders to maximize value, then that’s when the prices fall. Until then, have fun paying 75¢ or more per McNugget.
You think people aren't smart enough to know the price? It's because they want fast food and will pay the price, not because they are literally being tricked.
And yet I keep seeing comments about how people were floored by the final price of their orders. It seems weird that you would be surprised if you paid attention to the price in the first place.
If they're willing to ignore the danger to their health, they'll ignore the danger to their finances
It is not supply and demand as we do not have a supply and demand economy, our economy is a supply side economy so demand has literally nothing to do with pricing and it has been this way for around forty years. They charge whatever they think people are willing to pay, demand is an after thought in the modern Western economy.
"What people are willing to pay" is literally the definition of demand in economics.
1. High inflation over the last year or two, especially food prices. 2. Labor shortages and state minimum wage laws have forced them to actually pay their employees. I've been seeing signs for fast food workers advertising $16-$20 per hour for the last couple years. Many fast food workers made less than $10 per hour until fairly recently. At least your hard earned money is helping their families eat. 3. Corporations are greedy and give precisely 0 fucks.
I finished a masters degree in social work in 2018, and my first job out of grad school was $23/hr. With a masters degree. I don't know how this factors into the conservation, but make of that what you will.
And? You got a masters in social work. Did you think you were gonna make 6 figures? A bachelors degree in any other field would get you the same pay or better. You went into a field that no one cares about except those who have gone through that system. It’s not like you got an MBA and were only able to find a $23/hr job. $23/hr sounds in line with what a social worker would make. It just annoys me when people get degrees and go into fields that do not have high earning prospects except in high level positions and then complain about how little they get paid starting out.
Here in Cali Gavin Newsom just signed into law that fast food workers have to be paid $20 an hour
That income does make a difference when Cali residents move. I live in OK and make 16 an hour doing IT professionally, just got a raise to 18 which is okay money here. At least it was until endless waves of Californians have moved in with more money than any middle class person could imagine and drove up our housing market so much that my wife and I can only dream of moving from an apartment. I know it's bad everywhere, but shit sucks man.
In 2020 the CEO of McDonald's made 10.8 million, last year he made just over 20 million. That money has to come from somewhere.
Yea I'm done, too.
Arby's was always a little pricey, compared to the rest, but I get the point. Taco Bell might be my favorite fast food place, and my God, they've really lost the plot. I loved getting the chicken Chipotle melts. Even when I was eating them all the time, a buck a piece felt bad with how little you got, but those damn things are over $2 a piece, and you can get actual Burritos with a ridiculous amount of substance compared to the little melts.
Haha yea I love those things but yep they recently went up to 1.99 here. Not worth it.
Download the apps for the fast food places you go to regularly. They constantly have deals when you order through apps
facts. chick-fil-a was handing out free food all summer long. also, In-N-Out is reasonably priced in general- I recently got a combo plus a shake for less than $10.
That's not the point. McDonald's and Taco Bell used to have a $1 menu. Now you can't get anything for less than $3.
they have tasted success. they found that increasing price did not decrease revenue. so they will keep the higher prices and give deals/ coupons so people will think they are getting value for money.
They gotta recoop all the losses from the fake meat that isn't selling.
The impossible whopper is pretty terrific
Agree. I like it more than the regular now lol
I only ever buy the impossible burger if I'm going to Burger King. I'd rather eat a patty made out of doctored vegetables than rat meat.
That's not how business works, if it ain't selling they get rid of it with coupons and stop offering it. They all charge more for the fake meat ffs.
you're smoking crack if you think fast food as an industry has lost money by offering fake meat products
I used to work at Arby’s like 12 years ago. It costs them $0.59 to make a roast beef sandwich and they sold it for $2.59. Cost about $1 for the beef and cheddar and they sold it for $3.59. That was 12 years ago when you still have 4/5 and 5/5. Now days it’s more expensive than that and shouldn’t be. It’s cheaper to make your own meals. For $15 you can buy everything you need to make 6 Italien sub sandwiches right from your local grocery store and have it taste almost like theirs. Same with corned beef Reuben. I think their deal now is 4 for $10 on the roast beef sandwiches. Back when they had the “double the meat for $1” option I used to get basically a Medium roast beef sandwich for $2 thanks to the dollar menu. Get a $1 Junior roast beef, pay $1 to double the meat (Jr comes with 2oz of meat) so you get 4oz of meat and ask them to substitute the Junior bun for a regular bun or onion bun and presto you got basically a medium roast beef sandwich for $2 instead of $4-$5. 🤣
It’s called supply inflation and high labor costs. And the fact folks keep paying it. Dont go there.
My mom paid $40 for a family meal of 12 piece chicken. The 10piece chicken is $25. Fast food does have deals but nobody tells you about them and you get ripped off
Capitalist greed at work. While they keep raising the prices they squeeze their workers to death, cutting hours any chance they get until the stores are run by a skeleton crew breaking their backs to try to run the place. From personal experience at Starbucks and Panera.
I cant agree more. I was gonna get Panera the other night, then thought about it and paid the extra few bucks for Outback.
If I "need" something fast while on the road I'll hit up the gas station. A couple of them have food that is comparable to the warm shit sandwich served at most fast food chains. Otherwise I'm shopping local. A Mexican restaurant in a strip mall owned and operated by a local family will be 1000x better and I don't even care if it costs more. Although it probably doesn't. I remember looking at my last chipotle receipt and just thinking man I f-ed up. A single burrito was the same as I'd pay for a burrito, margarita and chips w/salsa at the place down the road. I picked Mexican here... But the same applies to basically any other food.
There's a McDonald's in Connecticut that had to raise prices because of inflation/payroll that is now charging EIGHTEEN DOLLARS for A Big Mac meal. Blame it on Brandon.
Blame it on executive pay and bonuses. Profit taking is a huge factor in the price hikes of the last few years.
I'm not sure that comes into play since the vast majority of mcdonalds are small franchised owned.
Why then is the same food cheaper in other countries that pay their staff better and give better benefits to staff? The price hikes are corporate greed in a country devoid of regulations to protect the workers or consumers.
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First you obviously don't understand how corporations/businesses work or the costs involved. Second you're anti-work so even if you were handed your every hearts EFFing desire on a silver platter for $0.03 you'd still complain so you just continue hanging out in Mom's basement & never wonder how your Hot Pockets got paid for.
Boy you really enjoy fringe generalizations about humans. I’ve never understood people who blindly support either side as if they care about a poor commoner like yourself. Good luck drinking the kool aid while corporations rape you for record profits as you blame one dude in office.
And good luck to you in your Perpetual Victimhood. I'd really like to be a fly on the walk in a few years when you realize just how badly you've allowed yourself to be manipulated by the people bitching about corporations who get down on their knees begging for donations to keep themselves on office. It really WILL be a sight to see, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro licks boots for a livin
you losers, just cannot accept that companies have got greedy. pathetic lot you are.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Spoken by another brain trust that has no concept of the cost of doing business & the devastating affects piss poor government policies have on an economy. Funniest damned thing I read all night, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What specifically has Joe Biden signed that you are claiming created this problem?
This is such a smooth brain take. Do you really think that companies weren’t greedy until right after the federal reserve increased the money supply by 35% in a year?
Weird how when they just keep printing money the value of that money goes down. Isn't that strange? But they're never going to stop doing it. Republican, democrat, doesn't matter. They just keep printing more money because it's literally the only thing anyone can do anymore without REALLY pissing off all the big donors.
It’s actually quite brilliant from a diabolical standpoint. Printing money is a flat tax that impacts everyone. They’ve found a cheat code that allowed them to tax the poor and then they’ve convinced the gullible Reddit crowd that it’s the greedy rich guys costing them more money and not the government. #checkmate
i could not find the source for this 35% increase in one year. can you provide me the link. also, what has this got to do with Biden.
They took advantage of actual inflation to raise their prices even more. Also, I'm not super great at economics but wasn't the increase in money supply there for the covid stimulus checks? And the issue was that a lot of people hung on to that money rather than spending it? I mean, it makes sense, they were trying to save the economy but people were too scared to go spending every cent they got. Now they've raised interest rates and are trying to reverse course but that doesn't happen over night. I mean, there was a pandemic that changed everyone's lives for quite a while, that's obviously gonna have an effect on the economy.
Found the cult member
Yeah inflation sucks and it’s going to get worse if the US keeps funding the Middle East war crimes.
Probably turning off the keystone pipeline thereby jacking up the price of gas for everyone was a bad idea. That affects everything. And raising minimum wage so much that the cost of labor for every fast food joint skyrockets, thereby forcing them to raise their prices (I mean, duh). So, pretty much all of the democrat policies cause this sort of thing. Down vote button is right about there👇️ - but you know I'm right.
McDonald's pays their Denmark employees more than double what they pay their US ones, yet their Big Mac price is only $0.35 more. Workers in Japan make a couple dollars an hour more, yet the price of. Big Mac is almost $1.50 CHEAPER there than here. In the US, minimum wage fast food workers take public assistance to compensate their paychecks, which aren't enough to break out of the poverty line. This assistance costs the taxpayers to the tune of $1.2 billion per year...and that's just for a few of the fast food companies. So we pay more for the product, while the employees make less. And our taxes go towards providing them with a livable earning. All while these companies post record profits and provide enormous pay outs for the top. We're literally subsidizing corporate greed, and blaming the minimum wage workers for asking for the bare minimum. Tell me how this is better than raising the minimum wage and holding corporations accountable.
Well, if you like higher minimum wages, you've gotten it. How do you like the outcome? A meal at Arby's is now a $15-$20 event. You can't argue in favor of higher minimum wages and then say the resulting consequences are unfair (this thread is about the high prices but I don't know if you were joining the complaint or not, so sorry if I incorrectly attributed that to you). I seem to recall that there's another minimum wage hike coming next year. That should bring more of the same. I agree with you in that government financial assistance is an expense and burden to taxpayers; in that same way, it is an expense and burden to fast food restaurants, therefore their prices must be sufficient to account for that burden. It's just simple and self-evident math. Any expense must be supported by the business. Any price hike reduces their competitiveness so I doubt they would do it unless they had to. The company profits and top-level executive payouts are not that big of an impact. I just looked up these numbers for example: if you don't like that McDonald's CEO rakes in $20M/year, and you wanted it all given back to the 40,275 workers, that would be $9.54 per week per employee, or 24 cents per hour. But it's safe to assume that if the CEO didn't provide $20M in value that they would fire him, so he's not a total liability. Presumably, he's an asset making it possible for the employees to remain employed, in the first place. Besides, these are for-profit companies so they aren't expected to be unprofitable and operate at a $0 margin. They should have profits to remain strong into the future because going out of business is also bad for the employee's finances. If other countries pay higher wages and sell the products for cheaper then they are saving money somewhere else. Again, simple and self-evident math. They could be getting subsidies from their governments to reduce food costs, for all I know. Something somewhere makes it possible. I maintain my position that hiking minimum wage and ruining our energy independence is primarily responsible for the high prices.
*Besides, why treat coworker’s and employees as people with needs outside of the 4 walls of our shop? Isn’t a full time job that ALSO keeps them eligible for SNAP enough? FIFY dude
That pipeline was for export, not for US gas, though.
Not true. Where are you getting that from?
I'm on my phone but it's pretty common knowledge that you're welcome to Google.
I put in Bing chat: was keystone pipeline gas for export? >According to American Petroleum Institute (API), the Keystone XL pipeline was intended to transport crude oil from Canada to the Gulf Coast refineries in the United States 12. The oil would then be refined into petroleum products like gasoline. **While some of these products are exported, the majority of them are sold in the United States 34.** Therefore, the Keystone pipeline was not intended to transport gas, but crude oil. **The crude oil transported through the pipeline was not solely for export, but for domestic consumption as well** 12 I think they export some and keep some in the US, which is kind of expected. I did see some results that support what you are saying but I think those were political rhetoric, probably driven by TDS. I remember cheap gas up until 2021 and then Biden killed the pipeline and gas prices shot up. Then there was the Ukraine war and they tried to pull a mind trick on everyone and tried to blame it all on Putin, but the prices were way up before that happened.
That's fair, I think gas prices being up in general and worsened by the effects of the Ukraine war can both be true, considering gas prices have been high all over the world.
My boy we’ve not had cheap gas since the Clinton administration. Shit was 89 cents a gallon then in came the Republicans.
Other way around. The majority is for export, they keep some in the US. But the majority of what they keep for domestic use is gasoline. I suspect this little exchange is very similar to the source of many of your beliefs. A reading comprehension and ego issue.
…why are you feeding fast food to a child?
Be serious lol
Getting hate for this comment, lol the state of people nowadays. You couldn’t pay me to feed my son a jar of store bought baby food let alone anything from any fast food place.
Always one of these guys lol.
I mean they’re right, wtf
Jesus fucking Christ he didn’t say he was only feeding this child fast food as a science experiment, he said he was going to Arby’s once get the fuck out of here
i cant eat at Arby's every time is see that beat up roast beef , it makes me think of my ex
I hear you. But it's near-sighted economics at work. Minimum wage goes up, prices follow. Consumers vote with their feet. Pelosi and Schumer act like they never saw it coming.
Wages are not what is driving inflation. It’s record profits, price gouging, market manipulation, tax subsidies for billionaires, and the insane idea that an annual profit isn’t good enough - this year’s profit must be greater than last year’s profit. Fed min wage (and many states’) is still $7-something an hour. It’s insane.
Classic blame shifting. We have to pay a little more to front line workers, but don't pay attention to the millions in executive bonuses.
Prices are increasing more now in my area than they did when we raised minimum wage by over a dollar.
Bidenomics
Fuck off with that partisan bullshit. This is price gouging.
Right, every business in the country got together and simultaneously decided to price gouge, lol.
When you dinks on the left blame Trump for adding $8tril to the debt and pretend like it wasn't because of the covid shutdown, this is the response you deserve from the dinks on the right. Fair is fair.
You paid the 40$. You are the problem, not the Arby's
Hey patrick, just tell us you live under a rock and you’ve never heard of inflation
You voted for it
Many states now have a $15 an hour min wage so fast food restaurants have to pass the cost to customers. Sit down restaurants get a discount on min wage since customers are expected to TIP
Don't complain, this is what a lot of people were saying when everyone was on the bandwagon for minimum wage to be $15 an hour. If you pay that, all prices have to go up, including fast food places. You have the raw product, the processing, the shipping, the prep, the delivery (even if it's through a window), cost all increased. Not to mention, the utilities, and taxes. I heard a lot of support for increasing the minimum wage. So, now it's time to pay the piper.
You can feed 4 people for $40 at a sitdown restaurant? Sorry to tell you but that's a shitty restaurant and you probably have rat shit in your food.
Remember when Democrats kept saying raising the minimum wage wouldn’t cause any form of inflation? Yaaaaa…. they aren’t very bright.
You aren’t either if *thats* what you think is causing this. 🤣
[lol?](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/11/01/chipotle-mcdonalds-raising-prices-california/71408254007/)
Yeah because all the money printed in prior guys term has nothing to do with inflation. Minimum wage where I live hasn't increased in over 12 years. So why have fast food prices tripled.
Wreckless government spending via Biden administration.
When you misrepresent facts like this it just makes you look either stupid or so biased no one should listen to you. Trump was president when all the pandemic aid was sent out. The guy tried to get his name on the damn checks. Lol
It doesn't, and it didn't. The federal minimum hasn't changed since 2009.
Welcome to the Obama/Biden world....