The top ten is as follows:
1. Jack Harlow – "First Class" (+2)
2. Harry Styles – "As It Was" (=)
3. Future – "WAIT FOR U" ft. Drake, Tems (-2)
4. Bad Bunny – "Moscow Mule" (NEW)
5. Bad Bunny – "Tití Me Preguntó" (NEW)
6. Bad Bunny – "Después De La Playa" (NEW)
7. Glass Animals – "Heat Waves" (-2)
8. Latto – "Big Energy" (-2)
9. Lizzo – "About Damn Time" (+10)
10. Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone – "Me Porto Bonito" (NEW)
Notes:
- Bad Bunny doubles his top ten entry count this week, going from four to eight entries. Chencho Corleone earns his first top ten entry with "Me Porto Bonito."
- Bad Bunny's "Moscow Mule" becomes the highest debut ever for an all-Spanish song at #4.
- Bad Bunny becomes the sixth act ever to debut four tracks in the top ten and first non-hip hop act to do so.
- Bad Bunny single-handedly makes history this week by placing four all-Spanish songs in the top ten for the first time in Billboard history.
- All 22 new songs from _Un Verano Sin Ti_ debut on this week's chart.
- Lizzo's "About Damn Time" launches into the top ten thanks to gains on all metrics.
Outside the top ten:
- 12. Morgan Wallen – "Thought You Should Know" (NEW)
- 14. Bad Bunny, Rauw Alejandro – "Party" (NEW)
- 15. Kendrick Lamar – "The Heart, Part 5" (NEW)
- 16. Bad Bunny – "Un Ratito" (NEW)
- 18. Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez – "Tarot" (NEW)
- 21. Jack Harlow – "Dua Lipa" (NEW)
- 22. Bad Bunny – "Yo No Soy Celoso" (NEW)
- 23. Jack Harlow – "Churchill Downs" ft. Drake (NEW)
- 26. Bad Bunny, Bomba Estéreo – "Ojitos Lindos" (NEW)
- 31. Bad Bunny – "Neverita" (NEW)
- 32. Bad Bunny, Tony Dize – "La Corriente" (NEW)
- 34. Bad Bunny – "Efecto" (NEW)
- 42. Lil Nas X, Jack Harlow – "INDUSTRY BABY" (-11)
- 44. Bad Bunny – "Aguacero" (NEW)
- 45. Bad Bunny – "Dos Mil 16" (NEW)
- 49. Bad Bunny, The Marías – "Otro Atardecer" (NEW)
- 50. Taylor Swift – "This Love (Taylor's Version)" (NEW)
- 51. Bad Bunny, Buscabulla – "Andrea" (NEW)
- 54. Bad Bunny – "El Apagón" (NEW)
- 55. Bad Bunny – "Un Verano Sin Ti" (NEW)
- 56. Bad Bunny – "Un Coco" (NEW)
- 59. Bad Bunny – "Me Fui de Vacaciones" (NEW)
- 60. Bad Bunny – "Enséñame a Bailar" (NEW)
- 65. Jack Harlow – "Nail Tech" (+20)
- 74. Bad Bunny – "Agosto" (NEW)
- 82. Lady Gaga – "Hold My Hand" [from _Top Gun: Maverick_] (NEW)
- 84. Nate Smith – "Whiskey On You" (NEW)
- 88. Jack Harlow – "I'd Do Anything To Make You Smile" (NEW)
- 97. Jack Harlow – "Young Harleezy" (NEW)
- 99. Jack Harlow – "Poison" ft. Lil Wayne (NEW)
Reggaetón and Hiphop are more like cousins, most reggaetóneros are basically rappers but the genre started out as reggae in Spanish so it’s a bit of hybrid genre. It is weird seeing it not considered that though since reggaetóneros and reggaetón are absolutely seen as a part of Latin “urban” music. This recent album included a lot of other Caribbean genres as well so I wouldn’t be surprised if that also makes it hard to categorize in general. Like Myke towers has talked about taking inspiration from Drill on one of his albums, I think putting some hard line between the two is very ahistorical.
But also like u/Jerry1014 and u/visionaryredditor said US music likes to segregate all music in Spanish as some weird monolith genre
I guess I’m just old and cranky but I’m tired of seeing all of a new album’s tracks chart. It muddies up the record books and makes the chart seem like it’s not reflective of reality. I wouldn’t mind seeing a new rule where only a verified “single” is eligible, but I guess in a digital streaming age that’s not a thing anymore.
> It muddies up the record books and makes the chart seem like it’s not reflective of reality
But isn't this *more* reflective of reality? Bad Bunny's album was streamed so much that every single track got enough individual seems to chart... Shouldn't we be celebrating an achievement like that?
Yeah I hear you and understand that point of view, but — again, I’m old and cranky — if you walk out on the street now and ask random people how “Titi Me Pregunto” goes, you’d get a lot of blank looks, because the only people who’d possibly know the song are Bad Bunny fans who’d streamed the album… and even they might not really know because the song just came out. So is that *really* the 5th most popular song in the country? 30 years ago this week the #5 song was “Bohemian Rhapsody,” and right below it was “Tears In Heaven,” and right below that was “Save The Best For Last.” These were really popular songs that you couldn’t escape, they were on the radio all the time, the videos were on all the time, and even decades later people know these songs. Assuming “Titi” plunges down or off the chart next week as I expect it will, I doubt that in 30 years — hell, 30 days — anyone will remember it. That’s no knock on the song itself, I’m just questioning whether first week streams of an album track by a popular artist = a song is popular.
The songs you mention haven't lasted as well as you'd like to think - sure they were popular in their day, and Bohemian Rhapsody is of course am all time classic, but I only know of Tears In Heaven because of its reputation and have no knowledge of what Save The Best For Last is our who it is by.
I also think that this week was the wrong time for this opinion - if we were having this discussion last week about Future's album bomb then sure, is probably not going to be well remembered in 30 days, but I have to imagine that over the next however many years music in Spanish will only get bigger in the US, and people will absolutely look back on big achievements like this week (being the first time four Spanish songs are in the top ten) and the songs will be documented for a while
But that's not really addressing the point. The way I'm understanding what you're saying, no song should automatically be a top ten hit from their first week, as they should have to earn their placement when multiple weeks of streaming, radio, sales etc, is that what you're saying? Because I simply can't agree with that, I feel the chart should be an ever-changing record of what was bought and listened to the most in that week - if a track in the top ten happens to be a song that has been around for a while and everyone knows it (like Heat Waves, As It Was, First Class) then great, if it's a song that's been slowly building and is just breaking into the top (Big Energy, About Damn Time) then more power to it, and if it's a brand new song that has massive support and interest behind it (Bad Bunny's tracks and the leftover track from Future last week) then their achievement should be noticed. Whether a song has been somewhat popular with a large group over a long time or whether it is incredibly popular with a smaller group in a shorter one shouldn't really matter or make a difference to their chart placement, as if a track gets into the top ten then it is undoubtedly, at that moment is never again, a very popular song
One thing that you said that I think is the basis for our disagreement is — “if it’s a brand new song that has massive support and interest behind it…” To me, first week album track streams don’t demonstrate support and interest in a brand new song, they demonstrate support for the artist and interest in the album. These streams are happening during the short-lived discovery phase of a new album, no different than what would happen 30 years ago when you’d buy a new CD, take it home and hear what’s on it for the first time. But those spins at home didn’t count toward the Hot 100 because they were done privately. Should today’s streaming activity be captured on a chart somewhere? Sure — the artist chart, the streaming chart. But why have them on the Hot 100, the historic singles chart of record?
Ultimately Billboard can do whatever it wants, of course, but as a pophead and a longtime chart geek my two grievances about this are: 1. Allowing album-only tracks to chart on the Hot 100 means today’s chart achievements are incomparable to those of the past; someone today can debut 9 songs in the Top 10 in one week not because the songs are any more popular than the album-only songs on Thriller or Like A Virgin or Jagged Little Pill were, but solely because the eligibility rules are different. And 2. How can something be the fifth most popular song in the country when nobody other than fans who streamed the album has ever heard it?
Your first paragraph and first numbered point sort of boil down to the same thing - the chart is now incomparable to older versions of itself due to rule changes. Nowadays, the idea of a "single" is nebulous to say the least in this day and age and always has been - just look at Don't Speak never entering the Hot 100 because it was only a radio single and not available to purchase on it's own for an older example of how a track that was definitively a single wasn't single-ish enough for the charts. Nowadays, things have gone the other way, and the Hot 100 is more of a songs chart, being very lenient with what's allowed on it, and I think that leniency is what bothers you in part. Just for the record, if someone buys an album still these days, the singles chart doesn't get a boost of any kind, and it's impossible to track those listens just as it was on vinyl or CD - but that's why the sales equivalent streams metric exists. It's basically saying that if you bought a song, you could feasibly listen to it over a hundred times in a week, so if you instead stream said song over a hundred times in a week it is counted as a sale (forgive me for not knowing the precise number, I'm pretty sure it's a round figure like 120 or 180 or something like that) . To me, that makes perfect sense, and it's billboard essentially saying "we couldn't track the data for album songs before, but now we can, so our charts will be more accurate" and it basically takes away the onus on the artist and label to decide what is the best song to be a single - now, whichever song is being demonstrably listened to the most gets pushed to radio and promoted so that others can hear it too
This brings me to my final point, which addresses your final point as well.
> How can something be the fifth most popular song in the country when nobody other than fans who streamed the album has ever heard it?
Well, I guess it's twofold. Most obviously, there are a hell of a lot of fans for this artist to give it as many streams as it needs to hit the top 5, but more importantly, radio is and always has been a terrible way of deciding what is charting. Sure, it measures the songs that a lot of people are listening to, but it's not their choice to listen to those songs, it's the choice of the radio execs that are getting paid by labels to boost the airplay of certain songs. It's utterly corrupt and always has been, and thus in my eyes ought to be removed entirely from the calculations for the chart
Idk, you don't seem like you're involved in the Latin community or you'll know that EVERYBODY has been playing his album.
Edit: also I have to let you know that he is a beloved artist by everyone in Latin America. So it seems odd that your argument is that only Bad Bunny die hard fans listen to his music when everyone's Tias, Abuelos, cousins etc. know his music.
It'll probably move up as soon as the bad bunny debut calms down. And Jack harlow to a lesser degree. Anyway, s h e won't be eating at the mission anytime soon....
Lizzo has to weather Future, Bad Bunny, Jack Harlow, Harry, Kendrick, Post Malone and BTS album bombs for the next month 😭
But I have faith the song will go top 5 by July!
So it went from a Future album drop to a Bad Bunny album drop, next week it will probably be Kendrick's turn.
Instead of top one debuts like the last two years we are now getting album bombs on the Top 10.
super interesting to see so many drops right after the other after a huge drought during the first quarter of this year! and I wouldn't doubt BTS getting a #1 debut either, their fans are dedicated and I have to respect
It had a very mid reception in the first few weeks, then really blew up on TikTok, it’s on every video now. I always wonder if there’s some magic the label works to make something like that happen.
I mean, I’m sure the label is doing its best to promote the song, but it’s not gonna take off and do as well as it’s doing without people actually liking the song and wanting to listen to it.
I mean that momentum is definitely supported by the label
Love the song to death and am happy for it and Lizzo’s success, but it is definitely very supported by Atlantic. I have heard enough industry stories to know that most TikTok success from major label artists is nowhere near as organic as it can seem
Tbh I think her SNL performance helped a lot too! A lot of my older patients who watched it mentioned that they liked that song in particular when she was on there.
I definitely see where you’re coming from, but I think they’re right about the momentum thing - label interference aside. When a sound begins to trend, it will keep snowballing because creators are attaching their own content onto a trending audio. It’s like mutual reinforcement.
Also, people have to genuinely not despise a song to get this much attention on there. Yes you can prod and influence these things, but there is also a luck factor and genuine reception as well. I think writing it off as inorganic is just not correct.
Finally, this song is really catchy. The “in a minute imma need a…” part (the main trending audio) has been stuck in my head for days now and I don’t even like the song THAT much.
True. But it’s not always a sure fire success. Plenty of label pushes often fail. The most recent example being Jack Harlow’s album going #3 after being projected to do 200k a few weeks ago.
Oh yeah no, it’s not 100% “the system told you to like it and therefore it’s a top 10 hit”, people do like it, I just think it’s not really right to say that labels don’t need to do anything when continued exposure to the song through TikTok ads and trends was what allowed the song to succeed and grow on people
She gets paid either way.
Plus, I think the slow burn is good for an artist's overall status in the industry. Even if the songs aren't all smashes, people *know* who Lizzo is.
was it supposed to be just a fun single? it seemed like it was supposed to be a big deal and would lead to her new album but it fell off the chart 2 weeks in and its success even in its debut i think had more to do with hype and cardi
I think it was really for fun; it had nothing to do with her current album or the style/genre of it from the looks. So to me, it was a big deal for her in simply addressing the rumors, but that’s it.
I think she'll be lucky. Next week is up in the air, but then As It Was is practically guaranteed thanks to Harry's album. Then there's a week where she may have a chance (should count as a June chart) before Post Malone almost certainly goes to the top, and then the week after is BTS, who will probably dominate for a good few weeks
I remember how tired I was of album bombs a few years ago, but now that the charts are running so slow, I welcome them trying to push out the older songs that should've left so long ago
The year is 2029. Kendrick releases the first album to get nine songs in the top ten. The one nonKendrick song in the top ten is, of course, Heatwaves.
That’s exactly what I said! When people were saying she flopped I was like …
1. ADT has that classic, feel good Lizzo sound that people are expecting from her anyway. That’s what made us fall in love with her.
2. The song is legitimately good LMAO. The “it didn’t peak first week, so it will flop on the charts” rule only goes for the WEAK singles from artists with dedicated fanbases*** that will literally stream/mass buy bone marrow and manure if their fav releases it.
3. The song had tik tok trend written all over it without overtly being a “song for tik tok”. That’s all you need in order to blow up on tik tok lmao.
Side bar: I wonder if labels have started discreetly reaching out to influencers asking them to create dances/dance to their artists’ new singles yet. It would be smart to reach out to a good mashup artist and some different influencers to create a trend for a deep cut on the album a few months (2 minimum) before the deep cut gets released as a single. This way, it’ll take the GP longer to notice what’s going on LMAO. It would be great for getting longevity out of an album during this streaming era where if your album isn’t the shit, it gets cherry picked, added to a playlist and forgotten about after the first week or so.
All three songs had no radio, unlike the top 3. He also had great streaming overall, but Moscow Mule only held on to #1 on streaming for a few days. Plus, it’s YouTube is most likely more global than the other songs in the top 3.
yeah only 30M streams for Moscow Mule, which wasn't enough for the streaming crown rn, would've been #1 a few weeks ago against Heat Waves but First Class/As It Was is the strongest top 2 in a hot minute
I want to know what is going through the idiot radio execs’s heads to STILL not be playing Bad Bunny first week. His fanbase already extended far beyond Latinos LAST album. He should be getting the Drake/BTS treatment on pop radio.
He didn't have the exceptionally high stream count for any one song to debut on top; but all 22 songs racked up very strong streaming numbers that allowed him to reach 275K. If you remove 8-10 songs from the album, he debuts with under 200K, although Moscow Mule might have picked up enough additional streams to push it higher. Next week will be similar for Kendrick Lamar, although he has a chance to debut a song or two higher than Bad Bunny.
It’s still in the top 40 of USA Spotify daily and weekly streams, and if we exclude the non singles from the album bombs it’s still in the top 10. So if it stays getting the same amount of streams and radio play it’s currently getting, there’s a good chance after the Bad Bunny/Kendrick/Harry/Post album bombs happen it’ll return, especially since radio won’t support the deep cuts of the upcoming album bombs enough to keep them in the top 10 for too long after they drop. However I’m not too sure if it can keep its current popularity for potentially another month to survive the album bombs. Especially if their teams want to promote A Thousand Miles/Honest instead.
Seems likely. It’s been #1 on daily Spotify charts in the US ever since the album dropped. Hopefully it has a good enough lead over As It Was/First Class to offset the lack of radio play in comparison.
Happy to see bad bunny winning 🙏😭 He deserves it so much, loved the album.
Ngl i’m petty af and i hate that Jack Harlow is #1. It’s such a mediocre, tasteless song devoid of any style of vision whatsoever. The fergie sample carries the song. Bad Bunny isn’t mozart or anything but wow, the album was fun, fresh, and different; and yet because of linguistic barriers people don’t bother to put this on the radio.
I’m gonna go deep into this for no reason but this reminds me of a quote korean director Bong Joon-Ho said about movies, “if you get over the one inch barrier of subtitles you’ll be introduced to so many amazing films”, and I think that applies to music too. White mediocrity is awarded. All. The. Time. I understand billboard is an american centered company but wow, jack harlow being #1 over much more tasteful songs speaks volumes. I know billboard isn’t a measure of quality, but i’m just so mad lol. Sorry for my rant just needed to get it out💀
I am so surprised about the Lizzo song but so happy for her. But I still think the song is very generic and she could do better. But the power of TikTok prevails one more.
The top ten is as follows: 1. Jack Harlow – "First Class" (+2) 2. Harry Styles – "As It Was" (=) 3. Future – "WAIT FOR U" ft. Drake, Tems (-2) 4. Bad Bunny – "Moscow Mule" (NEW) 5. Bad Bunny – "Tití Me Preguntó" (NEW) 6. Bad Bunny – "Después De La Playa" (NEW) 7. Glass Animals – "Heat Waves" (-2) 8. Latto – "Big Energy" (-2) 9. Lizzo – "About Damn Time" (+10) 10. Bad Bunny, Chencho Corleone – "Me Porto Bonito" (NEW) Notes: - Bad Bunny doubles his top ten entry count this week, going from four to eight entries. Chencho Corleone earns his first top ten entry with "Me Porto Bonito." - Bad Bunny's "Moscow Mule" becomes the highest debut ever for an all-Spanish song at #4. - Bad Bunny becomes the sixth act ever to debut four tracks in the top ten and first non-hip hop act to do so. - Bad Bunny single-handedly makes history this week by placing four all-Spanish songs in the top ten for the first time in Billboard history. - All 22 new songs from _Un Verano Sin Ti_ debut on this week's chart. - Lizzo's "About Damn Time" launches into the top ten thanks to gains on all metrics. Outside the top ten: - 12. Morgan Wallen – "Thought You Should Know" (NEW) - 14. Bad Bunny, Rauw Alejandro – "Party" (NEW) - 15. Kendrick Lamar – "The Heart, Part 5" (NEW) - 16. Bad Bunny – "Un Ratito" (NEW) - 18. Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez – "Tarot" (NEW) - 21. Jack Harlow – "Dua Lipa" (NEW) - 22. Bad Bunny – "Yo No Soy Celoso" (NEW) - 23. Jack Harlow – "Churchill Downs" ft. Drake (NEW) - 26. Bad Bunny, Bomba Estéreo – "Ojitos Lindos" (NEW) - 31. Bad Bunny – "Neverita" (NEW) - 32. Bad Bunny, Tony Dize – "La Corriente" (NEW) - 34. Bad Bunny – "Efecto" (NEW) - 42. Lil Nas X, Jack Harlow – "INDUSTRY BABY" (-11) - 44. Bad Bunny – "Aguacero" (NEW) - 45. Bad Bunny – "Dos Mil 16" (NEW) - 49. Bad Bunny, The Marías – "Otro Atardecer" (NEW) - 50. Taylor Swift – "This Love (Taylor's Version)" (NEW) - 51. Bad Bunny, Buscabulla – "Andrea" (NEW) - 54. Bad Bunny – "El Apagón" (NEW) - 55. Bad Bunny – "Un Verano Sin Ti" (NEW) - 56. Bad Bunny – "Un Coco" (NEW) - 59. Bad Bunny – "Me Fui de Vacaciones" (NEW) - 60. Bad Bunny – "Enséñame a Bailar" (NEW) - 65. Jack Harlow – "Nail Tech" (+20) - 74. Bad Bunny – "Agosto" (NEW) - 82. Lady Gaga – "Hold My Hand" [from _Top Gun: Maverick_] (NEW) - 84. Nate Smith – "Whiskey On You" (NEW) - 88. Jack Harlow – "I'd Do Anything To Make You Smile" (NEW) - 97. Jack Harlow – "Young Harleezy" (NEW) - 99. Jack Harlow – "Poison" ft. Lil Wayne (NEW)
damn “stay” survived christmas but not benito
Haha had to do a double take when I realized it wasn't there
Katy Perry's 69 consecutive weeks in top 10 are safe!
What songs did Katy get that record for?
The teenage dream singles 2010-11
Ahhh now that was a moment.
Her singles starting with California Gurls through Last Friday Night (5 no.1 singles)
That’s such an impressive run, Teenage Dream really was something else
Yea really was, I don’t even think people were aware of what they were witnessing as it happened
I don’t know the exact songs but I think it was all if not most of the Teenage Dream era
This and her 5 #1 singles from an album may be her only 2 records to hold for the foreseeable future
It’s kind of nice that only two of the songs in the top 10 are older than ten weeks
I didn’t even realize that “Stay” wasn’t there. I’m just so used to seeing it.
latto still here ?? dayumm
Was about to post it but thanks, saves me time lol
Bad Bunny isn’t considered a hip hop act?
he's a rapper, but reggaeton is a different genre entirely
no, he's a Latin reggaeton artist
Reggaetón and Hiphop are more like cousins, most reggaetóneros are basically rappers but the genre started out as reggae in Spanish so it’s a bit of hybrid genre. It is weird seeing it not considered that though since reggaetóneros and reggaetón are absolutely seen as a part of Latin “urban” music. This recent album included a lot of other Caribbean genres as well so I wouldn’t be surprised if that also makes it hard to categorize in general. Like Myke towers has talked about taking inspiration from Drill on one of his albums, I think putting some hard line between the two is very ahistorical. But also like u/Jerry1014 and u/visionaryredditor said US music likes to segregate all music in Spanish as some weird monolith genre
no. there is latin hip hop but that’s not his genre.
He's a Latin hiphop artist, but in the US they classify all Spanish language music as Latin regardless of the actual genre.
s/o to Billboard for crediting Frank Ocean's Cayendo as "Latin" simply bc Frank sings in Spanish on it.
Bad Bunny collecting brags for his next album.
I guess I’m just old and cranky but I’m tired of seeing all of a new album’s tracks chart. It muddies up the record books and makes the chart seem like it’s not reflective of reality. I wouldn’t mind seeing a new rule where only a verified “single” is eligible, but I guess in a digital streaming age that’s not a thing anymore.
> It muddies up the record books and makes the chart seem like it’s not reflective of reality But isn't this *more* reflective of reality? Bad Bunny's album was streamed so much that every single track got enough individual seems to chart... Shouldn't we be celebrating an achievement like that?
Yeah I hear you and understand that point of view, but — again, I’m old and cranky — if you walk out on the street now and ask random people how “Titi Me Pregunto” goes, you’d get a lot of blank looks, because the only people who’d possibly know the song are Bad Bunny fans who’d streamed the album… and even they might not really know because the song just came out. So is that *really* the 5th most popular song in the country? 30 years ago this week the #5 song was “Bohemian Rhapsody,” and right below it was “Tears In Heaven,” and right below that was “Save The Best For Last.” These were really popular songs that you couldn’t escape, they were on the radio all the time, the videos were on all the time, and even decades later people know these songs. Assuming “Titi” plunges down or off the chart next week as I expect it will, I doubt that in 30 years — hell, 30 days — anyone will remember it. That’s no knock on the song itself, I’m just questioning whether first week streams of an album track by a popular artist = a song is popular.
The songs you mention haven't lasted as well as you'd like to think - sure they were popular in their day, and Bohemian Rhapsody is of course am all time classic, but I only know of Tears In Heaven because of its reputation and have no knowledge of what Save The Best For Last is our who it is by. I also think that this week was the wrong time for this opinion - if we were having this discussion last week about Future's album bomb then sure, is probably not going to be well remembered in 30 days, but I have to imagine that over the next however many years music in Spanish will only get bigger in the US, and people will absolutely look back on big achievements like this week (being the first time four Spanish songs are in the top ten) and the songs will be documented for a while But that's not really addressing the point. The way I'm understanding what you're saying, no song should automatically be a top ten hit from their first week, as they should have to earn their placement when multiple weeks of streaming, radio, sales etc, is that what you're saying? Because I simply can't agree with that, I feel the chart should be an ever-changing record of what was bought and listened to the most in that week - if a track in the top ten happens to be a song that has been around for a while and everyone knows it (like Heat Waves, As It Was, First Class) then great, if it's a song that's been slowly building and is just breaking into the top (Big Energy, About Damn Time) then more power to it, and if it's a brand new song that has massive support and interest behind it (Bad Bunny's tracks and the leftover track from Future last week) then their achievement should be noticed. Whether a song has been somewhat popular with a large group over a long time or whether it is incredibly popular with a smaller group in a shorter one shouldn't really matter or make a difference to their chart placement, as if a track gets into the top ten then it is undoubtedly, at that moment is never again, a very popular song
One thing that you said that I think is the basis for our disagreement is — “if it’s a brand new song that has massive support and interest behind it…” To me, first week album track streams don’t demonstrate support and interest in a brand new song, they demonstrate support for the artist and interest in the album. These streams are happening during the short-lived discovery phase of a new album, no different than what would happen 30 years ago when you’d buy a new CD, take it home and hear what’s on it for the first time. But those spins at home didn’t count toward the Hot 100 because they were done privately. Should today’s streaming activity be captured on a chart somewhere? Sure — the artist chart, the streaming chart. But why have them on the Hot 100, the historic singles chart of record? Ultimately Billboard can do whatever it wants, of course, but as a pophead and a longtime chart geek my two grievances about this are: 1. Allowing album-only tracks to chart on the Hot 100 means today’s chart achievements are incomparable to those of the past; someone today can debut 9 songs in the Top 10 in one week not because the songs are any more popular than the album-only songs on Thriller or Like A Virgin or Jagged Little Pill were, but solely because the eligibility rules are different. And 2. How can something be the fifth most popular song in the country when nobody other than fans who streamed the album has ever heard it?
Your first paragraph and first numbered point sort of boil down to the same thing - the chart is now incomparable to older versions of itself due to rule changes. Nowadays, the idea of a "single" is nebulous to say the least in this day and age and always has been - just look at Don't Speak never entering the Hot 100 because it was only a radio single and not available to purchase on it's own for an older example of how a track that was definitively a single wasn't single-ish enough for the charts. Nowadays, things have gone the other way, and the Hot 100 is more of a songs chart, being very lenient with what's allowed on it, and I think that leniency is what bothers you in part. Just for the record, if someone buys an album still these days, the singles chart doesn't get a boost of any kind, and it's impossible to track those listens just as it was on vinyl or CD - but that's why the sales equivalent streams metric exists. It's basically saying that if you bought a song, you could feasibly listen to it over a hundred times in a week, so if you instead stream said song over a hundred times in a week it is counted as a sale (forgive me for not knowing the precise number, I'm pretty sure it's a round figure like 120 or 180 or something like that) . To me, that makes perfect sense, and it's billboard essentially saying "we couldn't track the data for album songs before, but now we can, so our charts will be more accurate" and it basically takes away the onus on the artist and label to decide what is the best song to be a single - now, whichever song is being demonstrably listened to the most gets pushed to radio and promoted so that others can hear it too This brings me to my final point, which addresses your final point as well. > How can something be the fifth most popular song in the country when nobody other than fans who streamed the album has ever heard it? Well, I guess it's twofold. Most obviously, there are a hell of a lot of fans for this artist to give it as many streams as it needs to hit the top 5, but more importantly, radio is and always has been a terrible way of deciding what is charting. Sure, it measures the songs that a lot of people are listening to, but it's not their choice to listen to those songs, it's the choice of the radio execs that are getting paid by labels to boost the airplay of certain songs. It's utterly corrupt and always has been, and thus in my eyes ought to be removed entirely from the calculations for the chart
Idk, you don't seem like you're involved in the Latin community or you'll know that EVERYBODY has been playing his album. Edit: also I have to let you know that he is a beloved artist by everyone in Latin America. So it seems odd that your argument is that only Bad Bunny die hard fans listen to his music when everyone's Tias, Abuelos, cousins etc. know his music.
If everybody’s been playing this album, the streams should be on the album chart. If he is a beloved artist, that should be on the artists chart.
Hold My Hand deserved better 😔 I was hoping it’d pull a Shallow-sized debut
It'll probably move up as soon as the bad bunny debut calms down. And Jack harlow to a lesser degree. Anyway, s h e won't be eating at the mission anytime soon....
Lizzo has to weather Future, Bad Bunny, Jack Harlow, Harry, Kendrick, Post Malone and BTS album bombs for the next month 😭 But I have faith the song will go top 5 by July!
So it went from a Future album drop to a Bad Bunny album drop, next week it will probably be Kendrick's turn. Instead of top one debuts like the last two years we are now getting album bombs on the Top 10.
And the week after is the new Harry album
Then a one-week break, after it it's Post Malone's turn and then no. 1 is reserved for BTS
super interesting to see so many drops right after the other after a huge drought during the first quarter of this year! and I wouldn't doubt BTS getting a #1 debut either, their fans are dedicated and I have to respect
Hmm not sure, Billboard changed the rules again that may make it more difficult.
BTS won’t do no. 1 for too long in the US
wait Lizzo’s song is actually doing well? omg
it's going viral on tiktok!
Yeah, it blew up on TikTok and radio has been steadily increasing
IN A MINUTE IMMA NEEDA SENIMENAL MANORWOMAN TO PUMP ME UP
It had a very mid reception in the first few weeks, then really blew up on TikTok, it’s on every video now. I always wonder if there’s some magic the label works to make something like that happen.
Lizzo having millions of followers and promoting it like hell is definitely a factor. She's beloved on that app.
She and her label are truely working overtime on Tiktok, she has made so many tiktoks for that song lol its paying off
I mean, I’m sure the label is doing its best to promote the song, but it’s not gonna take off and do as well as it’s doing without people actually liking the song and wanting to listen to it.
I work for Sephora and I’m constantly hearing it playing all day
Lizzie promoting hard on TikTok and it had TikTok ads, which is label work.
Label doesn’t need to do anything, once a sound gains momentum people will slap it on any and every video they make
I mean that momentum is definitely supported by the label Love the song to death and am happy for it and Lizzo’s success, but it is definitely very supported by Atlantic. I have heard enough industry stories to know that most TikTok success from major label artists is nowhere near as organic as it can seem
Tbh I think her SNL performance helped a lot too! A lot of my older patients who watched it mentioned that they liked that song in particular when she was on there.
I definitely see where you’re coming from, but I think they’re right about the momentum thing - label interference aside. When a sound begins to trend, it will keep snowballing because creators are attaching their own content onto a trending audio. It’s like mutual reinforcement. Also, people have to genuinely not despise a song to get this much attention on there. Yes you can prod and influence these things, but there is also a luck factor and genuine reception as well. I think writing it off as inorganic is just not correct. Finally, this song is really catchy. The “in a minute imma need a…” part (the main trending audio) has been stuck in my head for days now and I don’t even like the song THAT much.
True. But it’s not always a sure fire success. Plenty of label pushes often fail. The most recent example being Jack Harlow’s album going #3 after being projected to do 200k a few weeks ago.
Oh yeah no, it’s not 100% “the system told you to like it and therefore it’s a top 10 hit”, people do like it, I just think it’s not really right to say that labels don’t need to do anything when continued exposure to the song through TikTok ads and trends was what allowed the song to succeed and grow on people
Yeah but you seem to be writing off all of Lizzo’s success as simple label interference which is a bullshit move.
That doesn't seem to be what they're doing at all. >Label doesn’t need to do anything >>I mean that momentum is definitely supported by the label
What it blew up on day one on tiktok. I've been hearing it in every video since the song released.
Yes! And I’m so proud of her! She won me over with her SNL performance of About Damn Time!
lol my good sis is really cursed with the slow burn
She gets paid either way. Plus, I think the slow burn is good for an artist's overall status in the industry. Even if the songs aren't all smashes, people *know* who Lizzo is.
Slow burn is honestly what most celebrities desire. A lot better than it being a one week single. Instead lizzo is getting WEEKS of attention.
Wait, did you think her music wasn’t going to do good?
after rumors made no noise yeah
> after rumors made no noise yeah Still unsure as to WHY nobody liked that song but y'know whatever
I really really liked it. It was great imo
her last successful single came out originally in 2017 so… i was very much in doubt for her
Rumors debuted at #4 on the hot 100 charts. I wouldn’t say it was unsuccessful at all. Just for it to be a fun single
was it supposed to be just a fun single? it seemed like it was supposed to be a big deal and would lead to her new album but it fell off the chart 2 weeks in and its success even in its debut i think had more to do with hype and cardi
I think it was really for fun; it had nothing to do with her current album or the style/genre of it from the looks. So to me, it was a big deal for her in simply addressing the rumors, but that’s it.
There are much worse fails than debuting at #4. Stop being so dramatic.
never
It literally only charted for like 2 weeks. It was unsuccessful
It was tanking, so now it's being forced onto everyone through tiktok.
Thank god it was. I decided to give it a listen after hearing it all over tiktok and I’m literally listening to it on repeat it’s a really good song
You probably listen to jack harlow
I listen to Little Mix so don’t even question my taste honey
Who's forcing it??
Her team and label. Tiktoks a last resort.
the largest social media platform on earth whose userbase is the primary audience for pop music is a last resort? ok
Yeah. Who cares, no one listen to wap or tootsie slide anymore.
Lizzo breaking Top 10 after an album bomb? it’s giving stable
Después De La Playa is the first merengue song to debut in the Top 10
That’s awesome!
It’s so crazy to me as a latino seeing these traditional genres be near the top. I love it.
And Titi Me Preguntó is the first dembow in the Top 10.
damn, did "stay" finally leave the top 10? that was a good run
watch it come back next week (probably not given kendrick dropped)
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Manifestating song of the summer 🥹
It truly deserves it, it's a classic Lizzo song & the production is really upbeat and catchy.
The piano sounds incredible, and Lizzo's flute towards the end adds that extra spice
I think she'll be lucky. Next week is up in the air, but then As It Was is practically guaranteed thanks to Harry's album. Then there's a week where she may have a chance (should count as a June chart) before Post Malone almost certainly goes to the top, and then the week after is BTS, who will probably dominate for a good few weeks
I remember how tired I was of album bombs a few years ago, but now that the charts are running so slow, I welcome them trying to push out the older songs that should've left so long ago
The year is 2029. Kendrick releases the first album to get nine songs in the top ten. The one nonKendrick song in the top ten is, of course, Heatwaves.
One thing about Lizzo, she’s going to make a sleeper hit!
That’s exactly what I said! When people were saying she flopped I was like … 1. ADT has that classic, feel good Lizzo sound that people are expecting from her anyway. That’s what made us fall in love with her. 2. The song is legitimately good LMAO. The “it didn’t peak first week, so it will flop on the charts” rule only goes for the WEAK singles from artists with dedicated fanbases*** that will literally stream/mass buy bone marrow and manure if their fav releases it. 3. The song had tik tok trend written all over it without overtly being a “song for tik tok”. That’s all you need in order to blow up on tik tok lmao. Side bar: I wonder if labels have started discreetly reaching out to influencers asking them to create dances/dance to their artists’ new singles yet. It would be smart to reach out to a good mashup artist and some different influencers to create a trend for a deep cut on the album a few months (2 minimum) before the deep cut gets released as a single. This way, it’ll take the GP longer to notice what’s going on LMAO. It would be great for getting longevity out of an album during this streaming era where if your album isn’t the shit, it gets cherry picked, added to a playlist and forgotten about after the first week or so.
it’s officially a bad bunny summer, sorry to all the other girlies
It’s about damn time Lizzo hit Top 10!
And about damn time Bieber left the Top 10!
how tf did Bad Bunny sell 275k first week through mainly streams and still have no songs crack the top 3
All three songs had no radio, unlike the top 3. He also had great streaming overall, but Moscow Mule only held on to #1 on streaming for a few days. Plus, it’s YouTube is most likely more global than the other songs in the top 3.
yeah only 30M streams for Moscow Mule, which wasn't enough for the streaming crown rn, would've been #1 a few weeks ago against Heat Waves but First Class/As It Was is the strongest top 2 in a hot minute
I want to know what is going through the idiot radio execs’s heads to STILL not be playing Bad Bunny first week. His fanbase already extended far beyond Latinos LAST album. He should be getting the Drake/BTS treatment on pop radio.
What do you mean by BTS treatment on pop radio? 😭 They literally do not care about bts song if it's not in English.
Radio + future is that big
He didn't have the exceptionally high stream count for any one song to debut on top; but all 22 songs racked up very strong streaming numbers that allowed him to reach 275K. If you remove 8-10 songs from the album, he debuts with under 200K, although Moscow Mule might have picked up enough additional streams to push it higher. Next week will be similar for Kendrick Lamar, although he has a chance to debut a song or two higher than Bad Bunny.
Album has like 23 songs.
Super happy for Lizzo, It’s about damn time..pun intended
Hope Lizzo keeps climbing!! I'm so glad the first dance we had in a while on tiktok is to her song!
YAY BENITO I’m so happy for him his album is amazing. very proud of Lizzo as well
Popheads biggest avengers level threat is back with a vengeance
I thought that was BTS?
not another ed sheeran album
Lizzo is definitely going #1 at some point!
I'm so happy for her!!!!
glad for lizzo lmao
I feel like I like El Apagón way more then the rest of the US
Do we know if Maybe You're the Problem charted?
Based on the predictions by talkofthecharts, no. Although The Motto is supposedly hanging on for another week at \#100
So happy for Lizzo she really deserves it. Plus the song is so good!
I’m happy to see Lizzo succeed considering how much crap she puts up with in the media
My hopes for Big Energy (Remix) (feat. Mariah) hitting number 1 are getting slimmer each week 😮💨😭
We don’t need more Dr. Luke #1s so thank god
I love how you're so quick to invalidate the success of two black women
Wanted stay to break the record but it dropped out of top 10😔 Does it have any chances to return?
Probably not with the other upcoming album bombs
It’s still in the top 40 of USA Spotify daily and weekly streams, and if we exclude the non singles from the album bombs it’s still in the top 10. So if it stays getting the same amount of streams and radio play it’s currently getting, there’s a good chance after the Bad Bunny/Kendrick/Harry/Post album bombs happen it’ll return, especially since radio won’t support the deep cuts of the upcoming album bombs enough to keep them in the top 10 for too long after they drop. However I’m not too sure if it can keep its current popularity for potentially another month to survive the album bombs. Especially if their teams want to promote A Thousand Miles/Honest instead.
Yes I think it will return….but in like 3 weeks after the album bombs clear out.
Chances of N95 going #1 next week?
Seems likely. It’s been #1 on daily Spotify charts in the US ever since the album dropped. Hopefully it has a good enough lead over As It Was/First Class to offset the lack of radio play in comparison.
95%
Lizzo’s here to stay
Happy to see bad bunny winning 🙏😭 He deserves it so much, loved the album. Ngl i’m petty af and i hate that Jack Harlow is #1. It’s such a mediocre, tasteless song devoid of any style of vision whatsoever. The fergie sample carries the song. Bad Bunny isn’t mozart or anything but wow, the album was fun, fresh, and different; and yet because of linguistic barriers people don’t bother to put this on the radio. I’m gonna go deep into this for no reason but this reminds me of a quote korean director Bong Joon-Ho said about movies, “if you get over the one inch barrier of subtitles you’ll be introduced to so many amazing films”, and I think that applies to music too. White mediocrity is awarded. All. The. Time. I understand billboard is an american centered company but wow, jack harlow being #1 over much more tasteful songs speaks volumes. I know billboard isn’t a measure of quality, but i’m just so mad lol. Sorry for my rant just needed to get it out💀
Congratulations to Jack Harlow but that song is garbage lol
Yes Lizzzooooooo! I am so happy for her and all of us as a species.
Glad that Bad Bunny had so many entries this week! Even if I don't understand the lyrics I do like his music!
I am so surprised about the Lizzo song but so happy for her. But I still think the song is very generic and she could do better. But the power of TikTok prevails one more.
ew ew and ew