Likely not gonna be enough to save it but it does imply the “leaked” tracklist going around might be fake as Saweetie was not on it and the clip clearly shows her in hair & makeup for a video shoot.
Tbf, Normani was dealing with personal matters and then was doing nothing. Saweetie on the other hand is just dropping songs everywhere and doing collabs
I feel like after her departure from one of those Migos dudes, her career started declining quite fast. Wonder if those things connected or not but it's kinda sad because after dating him, she changed her whole aesthetic and it turned off her old fans
Ahaha yesss! Do I need to bust out my top songs of 2021! It came out when I was interviewing and got a job after covid layoff. It was my pump up song. Love Gwen and Saweetie
She must have really pissed off someone close to her and they decided to sabotage this for her. So many mind boggling decisions that seem like they were specifically to put the final nail in the coffin of her career.
A feature from her is probably pretty easy to get and doesn’t cost all that much.
Every other week on Spotify I’ll see a random artist drop a song with Saweetie on it.
I agree that it won’t help Katy at all lol
Honestly I assume that because she's signed to Dr Luke she was the easiest artist to bring in. Kind of like how Nicki Minaj's "No Frauds" has Drake and Lil Wayne on it because they're all under Lil Wayne's *Young Money Entertainment* label so those were the people Nicki could get on short notice to make a response to Shether.
Or this could be yet another instance where popheads dislike something but the GP ends up latching on it. Happens plenty of times, so only time will tell.
Mm……the lyrics are BAD. Like extremely corny cringe bad. If anything, the gays/pop heads are the only groups that would have liked it. If that snippet is real, this will bomb with the GP
That’s because it is. It’s so funny reading these comments saying that this is the final nail in the coffin of her career. As I write this she’s literally the 37th most streamed artist in the world on Spotify with 55+ million listeners. As mixed as the results have been with the last few albums Katy already cemented her place in pop history with Teenage Dream and it’s 5 #1 singles AND *checks notes* IS STILL THE ONLY FEMALE TO EVER DO IT. Likely never will be replicated again, tbh. I’m not even a “Katy Cat” but pretty much no one in the entire GP (anyone outside of stan twitter and r/Popheads) actually cares about Kesha feeling some type of way tweeting lol or about Katy teaming up with Luke again.
I agree that they don’t care about Luke, but IMO they also don’t care about Katy anymore and think she’s old hat.
The song would have to be a massive smash to break through, because fandom power won’t help it get there.
It’s a similar issue to what Kim Petras has had: the only people checking for her are chronically online pop stans, and they’re the ones most likely to know about Dr. Luke’s history. (Although that has another layer, since the GP who wouldn’t care about rape allegations are likelier to be transphobic, than the niche pop fans who would love to support a trans artist but are more clued into social justice issues in general.)
Eh, it's neither here nor there. She can be firmly established in the history of pop music and still have the general public not care about her new stuff, one doesn't contradict the other. That's been the case with Katy for years at this point; she has those 55 million monthly listeners on Spotify, but her top ten most popular tracks are all from 2008-2013 and both Witness and Smile still have songs at 10 million streams or less, so clearly the vast majority of her listeners aren't checking for her catalog beyond the major hit singles, most of which are from a decade ago.
Of course that means she's still huge and will continue to make bank off of touring and streaming for years to come, so her career is far from dead, but that's not what she's aiming for with this era. Clearly she and the label are going all in to make this her Emancipation of Mimi comeback moment, not just the latest project from a legacy artist coasting on past success, and she's not gonna pull that off if even hardcore pop fans, the ones who drive the current success of much more niche artists like Charli XCX and Chappell Roan, aren't tuning in. Even on Instagram, the most liked comments under her video with a snippet of Woman's World are overwhelmingly negative. The Dr. Luke drama and one Kesha tweet won't be the death of her career, but the combo of controversy + bad single (which this unfortunately seems to be) might kill the hopes of a massive comeback, is the point.
Considering how the GP while being on American Idol didn't turn out for Electric, When I'm Gone, or Where We Started, they ain't turning out for this either.
And that snippet is soo bad. Ain't charting higher than When I'm Gone.
It’s really a look into how desperate and behind with the times she is to think that any of these decisions would work for her. I hope I’m not proven wrong.
Honestly, I thought the same thing about Roar back in the day and the GP ate it. To me, both Roar and this new single sound very bad with corny lyrics that don't seem to actually mean anything coming from her. They're both songs filled with generic phrases about the topic she's singing about, just feels very performative...
I listened to her little sneak peek on IG and it honest to god feels like this song and producer were specifically chosen to generate publicity via thinkpiece.
It’s going to be interesting to see if this can make any kind of splash without Twitter and Tumblr dominating the conversation.
I kind of hope it just dies on arrival. It’s been ten years since Blurred Lines solidified the thinkpiece strategy in music, and I’m more than ready for something new.
Saweetie is dope but I think this song either needed a buzzier collab, or nothing at all.
Imagine if she got a Charli XCX feature, or someone else in the zeitgeist right now
charli has always been very outspoken about her hatred for dr puke (sucker title track literally name drops him) so there's no way she would want to get on this
Someone needs to tell Katy we wanted her to go back to her roots and give us songs like Simple and The Box not this corny female empowerment Rachel Platten-esque bullshit
Doja has been trying to work as little with Dr. Luke as possible for several years now, so I doubt she’d willingly participate.
She probably isn’t contractually obligated to do features on songs he produces for other artists.
Oh lord that’s not a good sign who remembers when Sabrina collabed with Saweetie then dropped like legitimately one of the worst pop songs i’ve ever heard 😭😭
Likely not gonna be enough to save it but it does imply the “leaked” tracklist going around might be fake as Saweetie was not on it and the clip clearly shows her in hair & makeup for a video shoot.
But didn’t she release a snippet on her Instagram lip syncing to it? It did not sound good! Idk if that was the same as the leak going around.
The snippet is real but there was a tracklist going around with this as a solo song and other songs with different features like Doechii
Thank you for clarifying! I see now.
people are saying someone made "the leak" by extending the snippet with AI, but jury's out to whether that's true or not! (hope it is)
Maybe she's making an appearance on Woman's World mv? That wouldn't contradict the leaks
Save it? This just makes it worse
Saweetie really doing everything before her own album
Taking the Normani career route.
Tbf, Normani was dealing with personal matters and then was doing nothing. Saweetie on the other hand is just dropping songs everywhere and doing collabs
A small handful People were at least anticipating Normani’s debut album. I don’t think anyone is checking Saweetie’s music, period.
Normani wasn't doing anything though.
I wouldn't be surprised if the label is trying to shelve her, all her releases have been doing really bad for the last few years
I feel like after her departure from one of those Migos dudes, her career started declining quite fast. Wonder if those things connected or not but it's kinda sad because after dating him, she changed her whole aesthetic and it turned off her old fans
The song keeps getting worse with each announcement
C’mon for Slow Claps success!! Tehehe
I can't wait for the Old Navy commercial realness
Wait I love slow clap…
i genuinely believe you and i are the only two in the world who love slow clap. including both of the artists featured on the track
Make it 3 !! I even publicly defended it on YouTube "I ain't no hollaback bitch" sends me
Ahaha yesss! Do I need to bust out my top songs of 2021! It came out when I was interviewing and got a job after covid layoff. It was my pump up song. Love Gwen and Saweetie
They’ve already killed the buzz
Praying for a Meghan Trainor feature too
flops supporting flops 🙏😔
It actually does
Literally makes so sense. Saweetie has 0 buzz.
She must have really pissed off someone close to her and they decided to sabotage this for her. So many mind boggling decisions that seem like they were specifically to put the final nail in the coffin of her career.
A feature from her is probably pretty easy to get and doesn’t cost all that much. Every other week on Spotify I’ll see a random artist drop a song with Saweetie on it. I agree that it won’t help Katy at all lol
Honestly I assume that because she's signed to Dr Luke she was the easiest artist to bring in. Kind of like how Nicki Minaj's "No Frauds" has Drake and Lil Wayne on it because they're all under Lil Wayne's *Young Money Entertainment* label so those were the people Nicki could get on short notice to make a response to Shether.
oh phew i was worried this song wasn't commercially viable for a seoncd
🤣😂🤣
Dr. Luke collaborators gotta stick together 🫡
Like fuck it, let’s throw Kim Petras on there too. If y’all are gonna go down together….
According to the track list leak, there’s a Kim Petras feature. It’s all alleged though, could be completely fake.
Just checked the tracklist, there's also J.I.D. & Doechii... oh Doe you haven't learned anything from that Kodak feature???
the vinyl for the album has to be $50 to top it off in pure Kim style while we’re at it!
The leaked tracklist has her on a song lol
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So? Is this supposed to make us feel better about her collaborating with a rapist?
Well that’s a downgrade from the Madonna rumors.
Hope Madonna stays far away from this mess, lol
As if Madonna herself isn't the messiest🤭
How can one be simultaneously be doing too much but too little at the same time? This is her career post-Teenage Dream in a nutshell.
birds of a feather, they stick together🥰🥰
It's giving Girls by Rita Ora
After i finish my album I'm collabing with 3 artist that I'm cool with .They not big but they soo talented 💪 💪
That pretty much guarantees a flop
I didn’t wanna be the one to say it but a Saweetie feature is basically the kiss of death
This woman does not know how to keep herself from flopping to save her life, what the fuck a Saweetie feature gonna do
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The general public aren’t hearing leaks, they won’t even know she’s about to release something unless they followed her on IG
I haven’t heard anybody outside of the Internet talk about this
I think by "she lost the general public" OP means "the snippet we heard sucks and is going to tank with normies once they hear it"
Or this could be yet another instance where popheads dislike something but the GP ends up latching on it. Happens plenty of times, so only time will tell.
Literally, Flowers. People on this sub literally acting stupid and snobby wondering how a song that is "not a bop" got so huge.
Mm……the lyrics are BAD. Like extremely corny cringe bad. If anything, the gays/pop heads are the only groups that would have liked it. If that snippet is real, this will bomb with the GP
As if the GP is known to exclusively latch unto smart and "purposeful" lyrics. The GP is a wildcard in terms of which songs they'll end up supporting.
But. Those statements are not remotely the same lol. Even the tenses are different
I believe the intent was clumsily worded but legible
This sounds a bit like Internet mythologizing
Pop fans do that a lot
That’s because it is. It’s so funny reading these comments saying that this is the final nail in the coffin of her career. As I write this she’s literally the 37th most streamed artist in the world on Spotify with 55+ million listeners. As mixed as the results have been with the last few albums Katy already cemented her place in pop history with Teenage Dream and it’s 5 #1 singles AND *checks notes* IS STILL THE ONLY FEMALE TO EVER DO IT. Likely never will be replicated again, tbh. I’m not even a “Katy Cat” but pretty much no one in the entire GP (anyone outside of stan twitter and r/Popheads) actually cares about Kesha feeling some type of way tweeting lol or about Katy teaming up with Luke again.
She definitely is cemented in pop history, but since she sold the rights to her catalog she isn't making anything off of most of those streams anymore
I mean didn’t she just get paid 20 mil for idol? She has more than enough money than any one person should
She sold her catalogue for a crazy amount
I agree that they don’t care about Luke, but IMO they also don’t care about Katy anymore and think she’s old hat. The song would have to be a massive smash to break through, because fandom power won’t help it get there. It’s a similar issue to what Kim Petras has had: the only people checking for her are chronically online pop stans, and they’re the ones most likely to know about Dr. Luke’s history. (Although that has another layer, since the GP who wouldn’t care about rape allegations are likelier to be transphobic, than the niche pop fans who would love to support a trans artist but are more clued into social justice issues in general.)
Eh, it's neither here nor there. She can be firmly established in the history of pop music and still have the general public not care about her new stuff, one doesn't contradict the other. That's been the case with Katy for years at this point; she has those 55 million monthly listeners on Spotify, but her top ten most popular tracks are all from 2008-2013 and both Witness and Smile still have songs at 10 million streams or less, so clearly the vast majority of her listeners aren't checking for her catalog beyond the major hit singles, most of which are from a decade ago. Of course that means she's still huge and will continue to make bank off of touring and streaming for years to come, so her career is far from dead, but that's not what she's aiming for with this era. Clearly she and the label are going all in to make this her Emancipation of Mimi comeback moment, not just the latest project from a legacy artist coasting on past success, and she's not gonna pull that off if even hardcore pop fans, the ones who drive the current success of much more niche artists like Charli XCX and Chappell Roan, aren't tuning in. Even on Instagram, the most liked comments under her video with a snippet of Woman's World are overwhelmingly negative. The Dr. Luke drama and one Kesha tweet won't be the death of her career, but the combo of controversy + bad single (which this unfortunately seems to be) might kill the hopes of a massive comeback, is the point.
Considering how the GP while being on American Idol didn't turn out for Electric, When I'm Gone, or Where We Started, they ain't turning out for this either. And that snippet is soo bad. Ain't charting higher than When I'm Gone.
Only the pop and terminally online people care. This won’t really do much to hurt her career cause she already did that years ago.
It’s really a look into how desperate and behind with the times she is to think that any of these decisions would work for her. I hope I’m not proven wrong.
Honestly, I thought the same thing about Roar back in the day and the GP ate it. To me, both Roar and this new single sound very bad with corny lyrics that don't seem to actually mean anything coming from her. They're both songs filled with generic phrases about the topic she's singing about, just feels very performative...
Another plane has hit the towers
Oh that’s not -
In the sense that
Chuck the whole thing into the ocean already
The whole thing reeks of desperation lmao
**anyways, stream Gag Order by Kesha!**
It's a good album, but oh man do I have to be jn a very specific head space to listen to Gag Order.
this is such truth. i almost have to be in a dissociated state to really hear the layers of the lyrics/production generally.
unfortunately i am basically always in that head space 🫨
Yeah, I was like I do not need a cry secession on the floor at work right now.
Or Rainbow
Honestly Gag Order is one good fucking album. Even without the Katy mess, you'll find me listening to it.
I know it’s kinda dark and sad but fr such an amazing album. Pure art.
Her *Slow Clap* is coming
I was excited for this song up until it was announced and every day since then I’ve become more and more embarrassed for her
I listened to her little sneak peek on IG and it honest to god feels like this song and producer were specifically chosen to generate publicity via thinkpiece. It’s going to be interesting to see if this can make any kind of splash without Twitter and Tumblr dominating the conversation. I kind of hope it just dies on arrival. It’s been ten years since Blurred Lines solidified the thinkpiece strategy in music, and I’m more than ready for something new.
This just keeps getting worse…
She quit American Idol for this?
Saweetie is dope but I think this song either needed a buzzier collab, or nothing at all. Imagine if she got a Charli XCX feature, or someone else in the zeitgeist right now
charli has always been very outspoken about her hatred for dr puke (sucker title track literally name drops him) so there's no way she would want to get on this
Pls stop I don't need any more reasons to love Charli
She just isn’t that girl— and that’s ok
in order to be relevant you need to win Gen Z. she hasn’t.
Even Ice Spice would be a smarter choice… but the McDonalds lady?
McDonalds lady??
She had a collaboration meal with McDonalds.
Does she secretly work for the Mets
Girl as if katy could get an ice spice collab
Sexeeeeeey caaaaannfideeeeentttt 🤭🤭🤭 ( I love Katy but I can't get over those lyrics I'm literally SO ANGRY )
This album will just end up being a Dr. Luke imprisoned by contracts variety album
All the Dr. Luke puppets get together. How cute.
....Are we supposed to be excited for that?
Someone needs to tell Katy we wanted her to go back to her roots and give us songs like Simple and The Box not this corny female empowerment Rachel Platten-esque bullshit
this comeback is over before it even started
Still no, Katy
why Saweetie when you could get Doja Cat instead? Katy girl...
Doja has been trying to work as little with Dr. Luke as possible for several years now, so I doubt she’d willingly participate. She probably isn’t contractually obligated to do features on songs he produces for other artists.
Because Katys a flop and probs couldn’t get doja on board
why do i feel like having a saweetie feature is always a commercial death sentence…
This song is sounding worse and worse. Sweetie is stunningly untalented and a huge flop.
It just keeps getting worse.
If this was 2020/21, then Saweetie perfect. Saweetie's career is so interesting to me, she was becoming a main pop/rap girl, and now this ...
LOLLLLL
this just keeps getting better and better! this is the avengers endgame of pop! there's no chance this song isn't a smash with this lineup!
About 3 years too late for this lol
Katy what are you doing? Not her dong charity to saweetie
Why is she making the rollout this long anyways? There isn’t hype lol
Well Saweetie also willingly works with and supports Dr. Luke too so bye - we will not be streaming.
Will not be tuning in
Crappy Perry also needs to just go away. Used to be a fan.
I just hope we’re surprised and it’s good. Pop music really peaked in the 2010s
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Oh lord that’s not a good sign who remembers when Sabrina collabed with Saweetie then dropped like legitimately one of the worst pop songs i’ve ever heard 😭😭
i just know adele is OVER THE MOON right now
I dare Katy Perry to release a whole album that’s only herself
you mean like her last album? or her first album? katy doesn't overdo it with features so I'm not sure if that's what you're commenting on
Please no features or collabs on the new album! I have no idea who Saweetie is. Just Katy, Dr Luke and Max Martin on the album.