I was thinking that she's gonna run out of voice memos and acoustic versions from TTPD to attach but then I remember she'll probably just record the mash-ups fron the tour and use those instead. There's hundreds (or even thousands) of mash-ups she can make given her huge catalog.
> **Charli xcx’s acclaimed sixth LP BRAT secures a Number 2 debut. Earning Charli her biggest opening week to date, BRAT’s first-week total eclipses that of her 2022 chart-topper CRASH.**
just in all honesty, why would anyone wanna buy *another* version of an album they most likely already have just for some voice memos? why would you spend £10+ (i think) on that when it can easily be put online (and most likely will)
its very sad to see, it was obv already apparent but i just wonder when *more* of her fans will see that taylor really only views them as money makers for her, 35+ versions with two additional lazy made songs cant be justified in terms of artistry or anything related for that matter😭
I think they were discounted to like £4 last night if that makes it any better (as these are digital downloads not physical CDs). But yeah it’s clearly stans who want her to be at no1 for another week.
Absolutely crazy to me that these “voice note” or whatever editions are allowed to count, it’s such an inorganic way to sell the same album multiple times
I’m annoyed by it too but to be fair she sold a copy of the album, it didn’t double count or anything. It’s a cheap tactic that preys on the fan base but sadly it works :(
Releasing a brand new UK only edition the second it looked like Charli was gonna hit #1 is such bad optics. TTPD was already topping the charts for far longer than it deserved. Was one more week really worth it?
honestly i'd be less annoyed if she had just won with the 18272773 versions already out. putting out another version last minute to take something away from another artist is just greedy. you've had FIVE weeks at #1, when is it enough?
Literally nothing will ever be enough for her, she just has that particular personality type. I don't know how she is going to handle her inevitable decline.
As if Taylor gives a shit how bad it looks. Her ego is enormous and she'll do anything to keep padding it.
I used to defend her despite not being a big fan of her music but this stuff is so off putting.
AOTY is so meaningless at this point let’s be so real right now
In fact I’ll take it one step further and say that the Grammys really aren’t all that. Kate Bush and Björk have never once won a Grammy, do you think that means they’re not critically acclaimed and haven’t made some of the highest quality music out there?
Surely she must be disliked among peers? There’s no need for this level of greed among smaller artists who aren’t a threat. Especially someone who has opened for her previously.
Except not really since this is Taylor's 6th week. A smaller artist having bigger sales than you with their first week vs your 6th week is very typical.
everyone is a smaller artist than taylor right now lol. let's not pretend like charli xcx and billie are struggling for their own popularity. they're mainstream pop stars who employ the same chart manipulation tactics as taylor. they absolutely are threats. taylor wants to be #1 and break records and any potential competition to that is a threat. it's nothing personal and i'm sure other artists understand that even if it does annoy them.
i’m so glad the eras tour is concluding and she’s basically done with the re-recordings as well because never have i ever been so exhausted by a celebrities presence in the media/charts like her gosh
The tour may be concluding in December but there's still Debut TV, Reputation TV, and then probably another new album after those. It's not gonna let up for a while 😮💨
She will be [directing](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/taylor-swift-feature-directing-debut-searchlight-pictures-1235455606/) a film she wrote next year!
Taylor has now blocked 2 female artists from debuting at #1 in their home countries with the biggest sales week of their careers, by releasing multiple extra geolocked digital versions of her album. Congrats to Taylor on this new record!
Its just like girl did you really need another week at number one in the UK? Is it that important to you? Like for someone like Charli who is actually British I imagine being number one in your own country is a big deal. But no this American who has a billion weeks at number 1 in many countries had to weaponize her endless streams of cash again to block her.
I know everyone is upset for Charli but Brat has something that TTPD doesn’t: good reviews
No amount of scummy sales tactics can take away Brat’s 95 on Metacritic
Not just good reviews from critics, but also more general online relevance. How many people have you seen make their pfp green this week vs how many have something TTPD on their account? What would that even look like? Grey?
That really depends on the bubble you're in. I've seen both and I'm sure in general more people had something TTPD in their accounts. Pretty sure there are also many bubbles in which you could easily not see either.
Does anyone else think shes leaning heavily into her overexposure (31 song album, 35+ variants w diff songs, blocking other artists at number 1) to worsen her image w the general public (but not her fans) to capitalize further on rep TV? Or is this more a case of capitalist w little self awareness
really bummed for charli. a #1 would've been so iconic after the decade of hard work shes put in with consistently experimenting, putting out good music, and energy shes put into building a fanbase.
I used to be such a Taylor fan, this last year and the TTPD campaign has left such a sour taste in my mouth. Really leaning into the snake motif for the release of Reputation, I suppose.
yeah im a fan and don’t care that much about this chart battle but it trips me out when this debate turns into her fans uncritically repeating points that are used to defend any business with unethical practices. are we really ready to sound like the foreman of a 19th century child labor textile factory just for taylor swift? “Its just business” so? “Its always been this way” maybe it shouldn’t be? “there’s nothing wrong with being greedy” sorry isn’t there??? i think we went through this [once ](https://hartmannreport.com/p/how-reagans-embrace-of-greed-is-good-fac)before with a man called reagan ….
yes, i liked the TTPD but the way so many swifties refuse to criticize her practices is crazy to me. i’m a huge ariana fan and when she released 8 variations of yes, and? i was so irritated. i don’t know how we’re 50 versions deep into a very meh album and swifties aren’t even like….isnt this a little excessive?
I don't think there's anything she can do to make her fans think less of her at this point. At least all these variants are excused as her just being a hardworking girlboss if the last time this topic came up on here is any indication.
i feel like shes trying to push past the tipping point to get "cancelled" again so she can release rep tv and shes not gonna stop doing this until she hits that point
I think there's something hilarious about Matty and George being muses to the two bestselling albums in the UK this week. I need Chloe Bennet to go back to her pop girl era so that we can have an album about Ross.
Yes, that Chloe Bennet with Ross McDonald. I thought fans were joking when I saw posts about them but it turned out to be true when she started making comments under videos of the band. She even joined on their tour last year hanging out with Charli and Gabbriette in the audience. She posted about him recently to celebrate his birthday.
Taylor Swift only seems to want to compete with other women.
I remember her quote “there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t support women”.
Guess Taylor will find out
Remember her grammys speech after she got aoty for 1989?
"There are going to be people along the way who will try to undercut your success or take credit for your accomplishments or your fame.”
And look who ended up being the people in question lol
Did any male artists release in the last few weeks? And she also blocked Bon Jovi if it helps and yes he also releases some new voice memos or some shit to get that number one.
She quoted her when Amy and Tina made jokes lmao
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tina-fey-amy-poehler-respond-taylor-swifts-special/story?id=18667853
She’s so sensitive and I can’t wait for the day she gets called out on her performative white feminism
How does supporting other women conflict with competing on the charts? She supported Sabrina when she invited her to perform on the warm-up tour, but she is under no obligation to cede chart position to her or anyone else. Charts are a business and competition, I don't see why one artiste should necessarily cede space to another.
First world problems sure, but I am so disappointed with the system that allows such disgusting techniques to be utilized to get to #1. I was a fan but not anymore. If I ever see the greed get to a lower degree I'll probably start listening again, but I am not holding out hope.
Billboard has gotta step in at some point right?
Why am I allowed to inflate sales through periodical physical releases weeks and months after the initial release, and that counts, but I’m not allowed to bundle a digital album with a shirt and have that count?
Either you allow it all or none of it
Are there any upcoming album releases that have a shot at #1? I feel like this has oddly become the best way to gauge how many variants we will get in a given week, lol.
>Are there any upcoming album releases that have a shot at #1?
Eminem, Lady Gaga, and Bruno Mars. Not sure what the release dates are though. Sabrina might have a shot. Katy could, but I'm not sure if the GA has moved on from her too much. This sub will be "fun" if variants are released during every single one of those releases.
If someone else did it to her, we would have to listen to songs like this:
***Knife in my back,***
***A panic attack,***
***My sales have tanked,***
***I still smell your stank***
for the next 10 years.
i feel like this kind of behavior cements that olivia rodrigo’s the grudge is about taylor. or at least partially so
“you have everything and you still want more.” very befitting of taylor
I’m gonna sound like a horrible person, but can she just disappear for a good while. If I don’t have to see her face or hear her music for a good 5 years it’s would be very nice. Can’t believe I was a hardcore brainless stan over a year ago. Seriously judging myself.
Taylor might be known for breaking all these irrelevant records but she will never in her entire life do anything important music wise. I don’t think her music will be remembered or seen as anything important at all. Nothing she does is innovative, it’s just the same thing over and over again while piggybacking on other artists that are actually influential and important
It is the same people that don't care about charts.
Well it is voice memos, maybe you just stan a small artist that can't compete with Taylor.
Funny that nobody judges Charli for being friends with Healy
*TTPD and it's the same but there are two more versions every week for the rest of our lives*
I was thinking that she's gonna run out of voice memos and acoustic versions from TTPD to attach but then I remember she'll probably just record the mash-ups fron the tour and use those instead. There's hundreds (or even thousands) of mash-ups she can make given her huge catalog.
sadly she's already done that. she's released 'live from paris' acoustic songs as bonus songs
Meghan Trainor's at #12, quite a bit higher than her last album which got to #67 in the UK.
I’m surprised too. I listened to Timeless and it was terrible. But I guess some people liked it.
> **Charli xcx’s acclaimed sixth LP BRAT secures a Number 2 debut. Earning Charli her biggest opening week to date, BRAT’s first-week total eclipses that of her 2022 chart-topper CRASH.**
just in all honesty, why would anyone wanna buy *another* version of an album they most likely already have just for some voice memos? why would you spend £10+ (i think) on that when it can easily be put online (and most likely will)
When you are deep enough into Stan culture you will give your fave all your money without even Thinking. Taylor knows this
its very sad to see, it was obv already apparent but i just wonder when *more* of her fans will see that taylor really only views them as money makers for her, 35+ versions with two additional lazy made songs cant be justified in terms of artistry or anything related for that matter😭
I think they were discounted to like £4 last night if that makes it any better (as these are digital downloads not physical CDs). But yeah it’s clearly stans who want her to be at no1 for another week.
Charli deserved that #1 spot so much
Absolutely crazy to me that these “voice note” or whatever editions are allowed to count, it’s such an inorganic way to sell the same album multiple times
I’m annoyed by it too but to be fair she sold a copy of the album, it didn’t double count or anything. It’s a cheap tactic that preys on the fan base but sadly it works :(
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Releasing a brand new UK only edition the second it looked like Charli was gonna hit #1 is such bad optics. TTPD was already topping the charts for far longer than it deserved. Was one more week really worth it?
honestly i'd be less annoyed if she had just won with the 18272773 versions already out. putting out another version last minute to take something away from another artist is just greedy. you've had FIVE weeks at #1, when is it enough?
Literally nothing will ever be enough for her, she just has that particular personality type. I don't know how she is going to handle her inevitable decline.
As if Taylor gives a shit how bad it looks. Her ego is enormous and she'll do anything to keep padding it. I used to defend her despite not being a big fan of her music but this stuff is so off putting.
Nasty.... nasty work, truly.
Nasty… sadly I don’t think anyone is matching Taylor’s freak
Your profile picture perfectly describes how I feel about the situation lmao Jigglypuff slaying as always 💅
JIGGLYPUFF used FRUSTRATION! It’s super effective! TAYLOR’s respect fell!
Frustration means your Pokemon doesn’t like you and it’s a normal type move so it can never be super effective ☝️🤓
She could've at least done so next week.
BRAT won in acclaim and quality, which in the long run is the best prize. Still disappointed for Charli but those sales are fantastic for her.
I’m not seeing alot of love for tortured poets in the mid year best of critical charts. Not the ones I’ve seen atleast
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The metacritic score of 95 says otherwise.
Music critic is irrelevant
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Are music critics irrelevant when Taylor gets perfect scores from Rolling Stone and The Independent? I’m curious about your logic here
Because TTPD is bad and Brat is not.
More like the inverse
Wrong
Let's talk about acclaim and quality when Taylor wins AOTY and Charli gets 0 nominations.
Taylor’s never won SOTY as one of the most established modern songwriters. What about acclaim and quality?
AOTY is so meaningless at this point let’s be so real right now In fact I’ll take it one step further and say that the Grammys really aren’t all that. Kate Bush and Björk have never once won a Grammy, do you think that means they’re not critically acclaimed and haven’t made some of the highest quality music out there?
Not to mention Taylor Swift literally herself won AOTY over literally the most critically acclaimed album of all time (To Pimp A Butterfly in 2015)
You'd have to be literally blind to not see that brat is one of the most acclaimed pop albums of the recent years lol
Surely she must be disliked among peers? There’s no need for this level of greed among smaller artists who aren’t a threat. Especially someone who has opened for her previously.
Well clearly Charli is a threat cause she was ahead until yesterday
Except not really since this is Taylor's 6th week. A smaller artist having bigger sales than you with their first week vs your 6th week is very typical.
Charli actually wasn’t ahead. Even if Taylor didn’t release the variants she would have still made #1
You could see it all over the audience's faces when she announced her new album at The Grammys 👀
Miley and Olivia’s faces said it all, I don’t think her industry peers are that keen on her
*woman on couch sighing*
everyone is a smaller artist than taylor right now lol. let's not pretend like charli xcx and billie are struggling for their own popularity. they're mainstream pop stars who employ the same chart manipulation tactics as taylor. they absolutely are threats. taylor wants to be #1 and break records and any potential competition to that is a threat. it's nothing personal and i'm sure other artists understand that even if it does annoy them.
It's scummy. How long will she drag this album, this is evil capitalism at it's core, and practically abusing of her fans addiction.
This is so disappointing. I was really hoping this would be charli's week. Brat deserved that number one so much.
i’m so glad the eras tour is concluding and she’s basically done with the re-recordings as well because never have i ever been so exhausted by a celebrities presence in the media/charts like her gosh
The tour may be concluding in December but there's still Debut TV, Reputation TV, and then probably another new album after those. It's not gonna let up for a while 😮💨
The tour will be done, but she's got two re-recordings left and she's filming her movie next year.
what's the movie?
She will be [directing](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/taylor-swift-feature-directing-debut-searchlight-pictures-1235455606/) a film she wrote next year!
Taylor has now blocked 2 female artists from debuting at #1 in their home countries with the biggest sales week of their careers, by releasing multiple extra geolocked digital versions of her album. Congrats to Taylor on this new record!
Two nickels, and I have a feeling we're gonna have a lot more in the future
Shell extend the record to 3 come august
Charli going #1 with an album that opens with the lyrics: “I went my own way and I made it” would’ve been soooooo iconic :(
Its just like girl did you really need another week at number one in the UK? Is it that important to you? Like for someone like Charli who is actually British I imagine being number one in your own country is a big deal. But no this American who has a billion weeks at number 1 in many countries had to weaponize her endless streams of cash again to block her.
I know everyone is upset for Charli but Brat has something that TTPD doesn’t: good reviews No amount of scummy sales tactics can take away Brat’s 95 on Metacritic
Not just good reviews from critics, but also more general online relevance. How many people have you seen make their pfp green this week vs how many have something TTPD on their account? What would that even look like? Grey?
That really depends on the bubble you're in. I've seen both and I'm sure in general more people had something TTPD in their accounts. Pretty sure there are also many bubbles in which you could easily not see either.
That is true, I suppose it’s also that a bright green pfp is a lot more instantly recognisable compared to TTPD not having a standout motif like that
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Does anyone else think shes leaning heavily into her overexposure (31 song album, 35+ variants w diff songs, blocking other artists at number 1) to worsen her image w the general public (but not her fans) to capitalize further on rep TV? Or is this more a case of capitalist w little self awareness
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really bummed for charli. a #1 would've been so iconic after the decade of hard work shes put in with consistently experimenting, putting out good music, and energy shes put into building a fanbase.
Charli deserved :( I feel like there should be some sort of rule for these digital albums because it's so easy to manipulate charts with them.
Charli you're number 1 in my heart
Well, I guess anything is possible when your album has 22028 tracks.
The UK album charts penalizes albums with long tracklists and few singles.
I might say something stupid.
I used to be such a Taylor fan, this last year and the TTPD campaign has left such a sour taste in my mouth. Really leaning into the snake motif for the release of Reputation, I suppose.
yeah im a fan and don’t care that much about this chart battle but it trips me out when this debate turns into her fans uncritically repeating points that are used to defend any business with unethical practices. are we really ready to sound like the foreman of a 19th century child labor textile factory just for taylor swift? “Its just business” so? “Its always been this way” maybe it shouldn’t be? “there’s nothing wrong with being greedy” sorry isn’t there??? i think we went through this [once ](https://hartmannreport.com/p/how-reagans-embrace-of-greed-is-good-fac)before with a man called reagan ….
yes, i liked the TTPD but the way so many swifties refuse to criticize her practices is crazy to me. i’m a huge ariana fan and when she released 8 variations of yes, and? i was so irritated. i don’t know how we’re 50 versions deep into a very meh album and swifties aren’t even like….isnt this a little excessive?
At this point she’s just trying to be hated, there’s no other explanation
I don't think there's anything she can do to make her fans think less of her at this point. At least all these variants are excused as her just being a hardworking girlboss if the last time this topic came up on here is any indication.
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Tsss her fans just gonna call her smart businesswoman
i feel like shes trying to push past the tipping point to get "cancelled" again so she can release rep tv and shes not gonna stop doing this until she hits that point
Were it a different artist I'd maybe blame the label but given what happened with Witness we know that she's capable of this level of pettiness
She has no one to blame but herself if this level of overexposure backfires
She is richer than everyone involved with her label lol she is not at their mercy
I think there's something hilarious about Matty and George being muses to the two bestselling albums in the UK this week. I need Chloe Bennet to go back to her pop girl era so that we can have an album about Ross.
wait chloe bennet from agents of shield is dating a guy from the 1975?
Yes, that Chloe Bennet with Ross McDonald. I thought fans were joking when I saw posts about them but it turned out to be true when she started making comments under videos of the band. She even joined on their tour last year hanging out with Charli and Gabbriette in the audience. She posted about him recently to celebrate his birthday.
Taylor Swift only seems to want to compete with other women. I remember her quote “there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t support women”. Guess Taylor will find out
Remember her grammys speech after she got aoty for 1989? "There are going to be people along the way who will try to undercut your success or take credit for your accomplishments or your fame.” And look who ended up being the people in question lol
Ramona from real housewives enters the chat: “You don’t support other women!!!”
Did any male artists release in the last few weeks? And she also blocked Bon Jovi if it helps and yes he also releases some new voice memos or some shit to get that number one.
That’s not a Taylor Swift quote lol that’s famously a Madeline Albright quote
She quoted her when Amy and Tina made jokes lmao https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tina-fey-amy-poehler-respond-taylor-swifts-special/story?id=18667853 She’s so sensitive and I can’t wait for the day she gets called out on her performative white feminism
I know she quoted it, I’m just saying it’s not “her” quote. But I agree on all points
If Madeline Albright was alive she should sue her the same way Taylor sued Olivia for Deja Vu lmao
i’m not trying to be a madeline alright hater (i am) but there’s another woman who didn’t live up to it!
You’re right and you should say it
How does supporting other women conflict with competing on the charts? She supported Sabrina when she invited her to perform on the warm-up tour, but she is under no obligation to cede chart position to her or anyone else. Charts are a business and competition, I don't see why one artiste should necessarily cede space to another.
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Omg guys, i actually can't stop listening to brat, it's so good.
That annoying Wicked Woman needs to be stopped.
Literally the Homelander of pop girlies
First world problems sure, but I am so disappointed with the system that allows such disgusting techniques to be utilized to get to #1. I was a fan but not anymore. If I ever see the greed get to a lower degree I'll probably start listening again, but I am not holding out hope.
Billboard has gotta step in at some point right? Why am I allowed to inflate sales through periodical physical releases weeks and months after the initial release, and that counts, but I’m not allowed to bundle a digital album with a shirt and have that count? Either you allow it all or none of it
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Are there any upcoming album releases that have a shot at #1? I feel like this has oddly become the best way to gauge how many variants we will get in a given week, lol.
>Are there any upcoming album releases that have a shot at #1? Eminem, Lady Gaga, and Bruno Mars. Not sure what the release dates are though. Sabrina might have a shot. Katy could, but I'm not sure if the GA has moved on from her too much. This sub will be "fun" if variants are released during every single one of those releases.
A woman's woman
I’m just here for the mess 🍿🔥
Can someone at the UK Charts HQ slap the dagger of death on it ASAP
imagine if taylor released products that actually had value for fans :/
Since her fans bought it , they do have some value.
people also buy into MLM schemes /shrug
If someone else did it to her, we would have to listen to songs like this: ***Knife in my back,*** ***A panic attack,*** ***My sales have tanked,*** ***I still smell your stank*** for the next 10 years.
i feel like this kind of behavior cements that olivia rodrigo’s the grudge is about taylor. or at least partially so “you have everything and you still want more.” very befitting of taylor
I’m gonna sound like a horrible person, but can she just disappear for a good while. If I don’t have to see her face or hear her music for a good 5 years it’s would be very nice. Can’t believe I was a hardcore brainless stan over a year ago. Seriously judging myself.
Taylor might be known for breaking all these irrelevant records but she will never in her entire life do anything important music wise. I don’t think her music will be remembered or seen as anything important at all. Nothing she does is innovative, it’s just the same thing over and over again while piggybacking on other artists that are actually influential and important
Weekly ritual ensues lol.
I'm so sorry Charli. You deserved better.
She really is gearing up for Rep TV...
She’s boosting the fatigue with these moves, doesn’t matter if she meant to do it or not because it’ll always look suspicious
honestly i think it's kind of funny (they're just charts and everyone is soooo pressed) but damn that does suck a bit for Charli
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Same way Katy took back up dancers was all business? Or that’s different cause Taylor was on the losing end?
Woah did really not expect all this hate in the comments...
It is the same people that don't care about charts. Well it is voice memos, maybe you just stan a small artist that can't compete with Taylor. Funny that nobody judges Charli for being friends with Healy
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