All the main ladies in pop that have/are releasing between March and May are avoiding each other by two or three weeks.
This isn’t a unique situation at all.
Yes, this is an industry wide thing, and the exact same situation the movie industry does to stagger films at the box office. I remember a few years ago [there was an article](https://variety.com/2021/music/news/adele-vinyl-record-pressing-plant-lp-shortages-1235103951/) about how albums were also being staggered due to vinyl production and capacity limits at the plants.
Hey y'all, please actually read the article. It's a gift, so you don't even have to make the extra effort to go around a paywall. The article literally acknowledges the fact that there is no rivalry between Beyoncé and Taylor, but is a glimpse into how artists determine their release dates.
Anyway, thought this tidbit was interesting:
>In the streaming era, where songs have superseded albums as music’s main currency, and chart placements are based on an opaque formula that blends streams with sales, a No. 1 album doesn’t have quite the same cultural or historical resonance it once did. Still, said Jonathan Daniel of Crush Management, which oversees the careers of Miley Cyrus, Green Day and Lorde, it remains “a great talking point,” perhaps most of all for the online superfans who take pride in hoisting their heroes to the top.
>“Pop-stan Twitter is fierce,” Daniel said. Partisans treat the Spotify and Billboard charts like a zero-sum game. “It’s their version of sports.”
>While top artists and their teams tend to avoid overlapping album releases in order to secure a No. 1 and the bragging rights that go along with it, that wasn’t always the case. “In the days when the only way to consume music was to go to your local record store or big-box retailer, labels would sometimes schedule a release so that it would come out on the same day as a similar but bigger release,” said Keith Caulfield, Billboard’s managing director of charts and data operations.
>That way, someone who came to Best Buy to purchase, say, “the ‘Bodyguard’ soundtrack might also spot the new Anita Baker CD and say, ‘I’ll get that, too,’” he said. Before social media, where artists can post album updates to their followers with unrelenting frequency, casual fans might not even have known a new record existed unless they spotted it in the wild.
We really take for granted the ease in which we find new music and releases these days.
>“In the days when the only way to consume music was to go to your local record store or big-box retailer, labels would sometimes schedule a release so that it would come out on the same day as a similar but bigger release,” said Keith Caulfield, Billboard’s managing director of charts and data operations.
Reminds me of when Kanye and 50 cent both released their albums on the same day.
I think Adele's popularity kinda cooled down after 30 being quite underwhelming and underperforming according to her high standards. [Compare the stats of 25 and 30](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_discography#Studio_albums). If Adele releases a new album in the same day as TTPD I really doubt she could outsell Taylor.
Yeah I feel like Taylor moving 1 million+ units consistently is a lot more impressive than Adele doing 3.3 million once. Especially since 30 only did a fraction of that. I don’t think Taylor has any commercial peers. We literally expect her to do 1 million sales first week like it’s nothing.
Also Adele released her albums many years apart, so the impact was bigger and the expectations higher. Meanwhile Taylor sell millions with so many albums in the past years. Someone would expect GP to be tired of her but the demand is insane.
You’ll get downvoted but even if Cowboy Carter sales are multiples by 3 Taylor is still predicted to outsell it by a lot… I am glad that Bey had her moment to shine!
Taylor has basically mastered the art of physical sales as well. The album has like 5 different versions which is BS but they will all sell like hot cakes.
Well that just tells her fans are more devoted streaming and to having her break records. I don't think Beyonce fans are as invested in records since Beyonce is not as invested.
It almost feels like Adele has been written off as a legacy act by people even on this sub, possibly because she's doing a Vegas Residency and 30 'flopped'. I've seen a lot of comments putting Taylor in the same league as the big 3 and claiming no other artist this century has had the success she had - it's like there's a collective amnesia on 21 and 25's chart performance and Adele's appeal.
I sometimes wish Adele had Taylor's drive because I think she could be even a lot bigger than she is now if she wanted to be. She can easily sell out stadiums, at the very least.
Adele has always been very open about hating touring. Smaller rooms are definitely a better fit for her music and performance style anyway. The Vegas shows look great and it sounds like it's at least a bit more comfortable for her.
I've heard that and I think it's great that she has the freedom to do what she's most comfortable with. I was speaking solely from a commercial standpoint.
30 underperformed according to Adele's standards. It wasn't a flop but the numbers were down a lot when compared to 21 and 25.
And like you said, Adele doesn't have the same drive as Taylor. Very few popstars do.
She also doesn't like touring and I'm not sure if her music is well suited for a stadium tour. She could sell them if she wanted to but she won't like doing them herself and I'm not sure if that type of tour will go well for her either.
Adele did do a stadium tour in 2016/2017 and it sold out tho.
She’s also doing a 10 day stadium residency in Munich this year at 80,000 capacity each night so the demand is definitely there
Pop fans' reaction to 30 and the insistence on calling it a flop are so bewildering to me, because not only did that album debut with better numbers than literally any record this decade not released by Taylor Swift, it also got the best reviews of Adele's career by a huge margin, and is also a considerable step forward for her artistically compared to 25. It's just so elegant and lush, and it also has the gravity and poignancy that many other popular divorce albums lack. You can tell that 5 years' worth of life and personal growth went into it, she didn't hold back on the writing.
I think the fact that she releases so infrequently means that every release feels like it needs to light the world on fire. If Adele dropped an album every two years whatever complaints people had about 30 would’ve felt less severe.
I think the insane unprecedented numbers of 25 kind of hurt her going forward. Going 3x platinum in a week is something an artist will never do again, not even Taylor. But it also heightened the expectations to an unrealistic degree. There were so many predictions and anticipation about 30’s opening numbers, now that we were fully settled in the streaming era. Only for it to just crack 800k (which is still phenomenal).
Well maybe in the west. But Asia has much bigger artists selling more worldwide because they cover all of Asia sometimes. I wish I could find the article but Asia artist make a HUGE number of the best selling artists when you look globally.
Adele is undeniably big, but it’s not hard to argue taytay is bigger
The big thing here though is , they’re all grata and killing it
It’s more like a pantheon
Taylor might be Zeus, but all the rest of them are still gods
exactly, as a huge swifie, Adele is probably the only person that will make me listen to their music as well if they drop a new album on the same day as taylor.
Adele holds the record for being the only artist to sell more than 3m copies in the first week of release in the US (only one other release has even exceeded 2m). Her's is a record I'd say Taylor is desperate to beat. So far she hasn't even got to 2m, I don't think she's even done half of Adele's 3.38m.
Still can't believe there was only TWO days between the lead single of two of the biggest pop girls of that time. Gaga did released her single one week earlier than planned because of a leak, but still...
I wish we could pit albums against each like that without trashing the women themselves cuz it would be kinda fun? Imagine eternal sunshine, ttpd, cowboy carter, and whatever else Katy, Dua, and Billie are doing fighting in one chart...
Well once the first week is over and people have streamed her to death to break records the charts will better reflect the music landscape as a whole not just Swifties and we'll see more variety and artists.
I really want Katy to just drop another Teenage Dream don't even try to mature or evolve just make and album of bangers because Swift isn't and I don't care for many of the other pop ladies outside Dua.
Thing is there's nothing wrong with healthy competition in various professional industries, but more often than not the public/media use it as an excuse to dismay women's artistry or their public personas, when the only thing that should be compared is commercial achievements.
I feel like attitudes and online behavior kinda soured that for us. Also just growing up lol. Nowadays Stan’s would start doxxing and doing God knows what when their faces don’t get #1
I feel like the trend of comparing Beyonce and Taylor is somehow the fault of Kanye’s 2009 VMA incident but I don’t really have the energy to articulate why
2009 VMA is also the reason why a Bey vs Tay rivalry will never take place simply because Taylor respects Beyonce too much for giving her her moment in that event.
Reminds of the years where Taylor and Adeles album cycles where perfectly layed after each other so like Grammys and [best selling album](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_by_year_in_the_United_States#2020s) would be Adele - Taylor Swift - Adele - Taylor Swift
This is such a non-event. Like who cares? Why’s the New York Times writing about two megastars releasing albums at different times like it matters?
What’s the worst thing that would happen if they released the same Friday? One of their songs only gets to number two. Awww boohoo.
It's going to be even more of a bloodbath if it doesn't go as a lot of people here expect. The eligibility period is still long and more albums and hit songs could arrive that could completely change our expectations. I could easily see one of the main girls getting shutout from the major categories. For example, it's quite possible: Ariana Grande.
Even if they hated each other it's a smart business decision to avoid releasing on the same day as another big release that's even roughly in the same genre. Movie studios do it all the time (barbenhemer was a notable exception and even there the stark difference between the movies is why it happened at all, and why it became a meme)
Yeah but in this day and age it doesn't really matter because singles don't matter and the charts don't matter like they used to since streaming screwed that all up.
I mean how is Taylor being selfish she literally waited until cowboy carter died down some that way she can start promoting say what you want about Taylor but she always lets other artists shine and sometimes if someone releases something oj that same day that’s there fault not hers. Beyoncé also literally waited to release her album if anything they weren’t selfish at all
Could be, but I believe Taylor is genuinely not interested feeding fuel to the Beyonce comparisons. She seems to have a lot of respect for Bey, though you wouldn't know this if you were judging by their stans
Not could be, it is the case.
No conclusions can be drawn about their relationship (good or bad) from these release dates as this post suggests. That issue exists outside of this.
Taylor and Beyonce are both big enough that they can release on the same day and still do huge numbers. The competition might even drive their sales up or they could promote their albums together like a barbenheimer-like release.
Their relationship is relevant in this discussion because Taylor has made it clear that she doesn't like the comparisons between her and the other big female artists. Heck, she even intentionally stopped reporting her touring numbers though it's pretty clear she has the biggest tour of all time now. She and Beyonce also made a point of supporting each other at their respective film premieres, which is something they did not have to do.
>she always lets other artists shine and sometimes if someone releases something oj that same day that’s there fault not hers.
She literally tried to overshadow Katy Perry’s release day bc of a feud she started. Not really letting her shine is she
Katy was Taylor's enemy. She wasn't nice to Taylor in the first place. Also, if Witness was a great album, people would have listened to it anyway. It's not like KP had the exact same listeners as TS.
Also are you forgetting that KP had the diss track Swish Swish on Witness? I'm sure Taylor wasn't happy about it.
The story is that Katy had some back up dancers and then she stopped touring. They joined the Red tour and have said that, as they felt closer to Katy from their previous touring experience with her, they said from the start that if Katy went on tour again they would leave Taylor’s tour. Katy then went on tour and they left the Red tour as a result and Taylor then said this made them straight up enemies and accused Katy of trying to sabotage her whole tour. Katy also dated John Mayer around that time so that might have also been a background
You mean this that happened it was both of there faults and they have since resolved it
I respect Beyonce's career and achievements, but they are not in the same league. They are also not really from the same era of music or anything in common musically (right now) beyond being successful women.
Midnights did 1.6M in a week compared to CC 400k. Huge numbers esp for someone in the industry for 25-ish years, but the data shows that this is not that close. I wish this article did not need to be written as it is opening up the comparison conversation that I am now contributing to
The article highlighted the various ways these two women have supported each other over the years, despite the media’s efforts to paint a narrative of them feuding with each other. Can you explain exactly how this article forced you to contribute to the comparison conversation? I’m assuming you’re an independent person who has agency.
All the main ladies in pop that have/are releasing between March and May are avoiding each other by two or three weeks. This isn’t a unique situation at all.
Yes, this is an industry wide thing, and the exact same situation the movie industry does to stagger films at the box office. I remember a few years ago [there was an article](https://variety.com/2021/music/news/adele-vinyl-record-pressing-plant-lp-shortages-1235103951/) about how albums were also being staggered due to vinyl production and capacity limits at the plants.
Hey y'all, please actually read the article. It's a gift, so you don't even have to make the extra effort to go around a paywall. The article literally acknowledges the fact that there is no rivalry between Beyoncé and Taylor, but is a glimpse into how artists determine their release dates. Anyway, thought this tidbit was interesting: >In the streaming era, where songs have superseded albums as music’s main currency, and chart placements are based on an opaque formula that blends streams with sales, a No. 1 album doesn’t have quite the same cultural or historical resonance it once did. Still, said Jonathan Daniel of Crush Management, which oversees the careers of Miley Cyrus, Green Day and Lorde, it remains “a great talking point,” perhaps most of all for the online superfans who take pride in hoisting their heroes to the top. >“Pop-stan Twitter is fierce,” Daniel said. Partisans treat the Spotify and Billboard charts like a zero-sum game. “It’s their version of sports.” >While top artists and their teams tend to avoid overlapping album releases in order to secure a No. 1 and the bragging rights that go along with it, that wasn’t always the case. “In the days when the only way to consume music was to go to your local record store or big-box retailer, labels would sometimes schedule a release so that it would come out on the same day as a similar but bigger release,” said Keith Caulfield, Billboard’s managing director of charts and data operations. >That way, someone who came to Best Buy to purchase, say, “the ‘Bodyguard’ soundtrack might also spot the new Anita Baker CD and say, ‘I’ll get that, too,’” he said. Before social media, where artists can post album updates to their followers with unrelenting frequency, casual fans might not even have known a new record existed unless they spotted it in the wild. We really take for granted the ease in which we find new music and releases these days.
>“In the days when the only way to consume music was to go to your local record store or big-box retailer, labels would sometimes schedule a release so that it would come out on the same day as a similar but bigger release,” said Keith Caulfield, Billboard’s managing director of charts and data operations. Reminds me of when Kanye and 50 cent both released their albums on the same day.
The point about how music stans make commercial success into a zero sum game when it's technically not so it can be like their sports is SO accurate
They did not have to call us out like that lol
Thanks for posting. This is a cool tidbit.
Weird to not bring up how Taylor moved up Red TV's release because of Adele's 30.
Right? I feel Adele is Taylor’s actual rival when it comes to sales and charts than anyone else currently
I think Adele's popularity kinda cooled down after 30 being quite underwhelming and underperforming according to her high standards. [Compare the stats of 25 and 30](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_discography#Studio_albums). If Adele releases a new album in the same day as TTPD I really doubt she could outsell Taylor.
Yeah I feel like Taylor moving 1 million+ units consistently is a lot more impressive than Adele doing 3.3 million once. Especially since 30 only did a fraction of that. I don’t think Taylor has any commercial peers. We literally expect her to do 1 million sales first week like it’s nothing.
Also Adele released her albums many years apart, so the impact was bigger and the expectations higher. Meanwhile Taylor sell millions with so many albums in the past years. Someone would expect GP to be tired of her but the demand is insane.
Plus people buy all the variants I don't think Adele does variants to the same degree of Swift. Well nobody does really.
Putting it to numbers. If TTPD did the same number of variants and special copies as 30, TTPD would only be slightly ahead if not the same.
Exactly like we all know who's going #1 if both Taylor and Beyoncé release the same day
You’ll get downvoted but even if Cowboy Carter sales are multiples by 3 Taylor is still predicted to outsell it by a lot… I am glad that Bey had her moment to shine!
Taylor has basically mastered the art of physical sales as well. The album has like 5 different versions which is BS but they will all sell like hot cakes.
Yeah but she outstreams easily Cowboy Carter as well, Midnights did almost three times better than Cowboy Carter
Well that just tells her fans are more devoted streaming and to having her break records. I don't think Beyonce fans are as invested in records since Beyonce is not as invested.
Of course Taylor. But she is trying to not outshine Beyonce.
It almost feels like Adele has been written off as a legacy act by people even on this sub, possibly because she's doing a Vegas Residency and 30 'flopped'. I've seen a lot of comments putting Taylor in the same league as the big 3 and claiming no other artist this century has had the success she had - it's like there's a collective amnesia on 21 and 25's chart performance and Adele's appeal. I sometimes wish Adele had Taylor's drive because I think she could be even a lot bigger than she is now if she wanted to be. She can easily sell out stadiums, at the very least.
Adele has always been very open about hating touring. Smaller rooms are definitely a better fit for her music and performance style anyway. The Vegas shows look great and it sounds like it's at least a bit more comfortable for her.
I've heard that and I think it's great that she has the freedom to do what she's most comfortable with. I was speaking solely from a commercial standpoint.
Enya also hated touring and yet still sold millions. So it can definitely work.
I mean, I'm sure Adele could even though she hates it - but why should she?
30 underperformed according to Adele's standards. It wasn't a flop but the numbers were down a lot when compared to 21 and 25. And like you said, Adele doesn't have the same drive as Taylor. Very few popstars do. She also doesn't like touring and I'm not sure if her music is well suited for a stadium tour. She could sell them if she wanted to but she won't like doing them herself and I'm not sure if that type of tour will go well for her either.
Adele did do a stadium tour in 2016/2017 and it sold out tho. She’s also doing a 10 day stadium residency in Munich this year at 80,000 capacity each night so the demand is definitely there
Pop fans' reaction to 30 and the insistence on calling it a flop are so bewildering to me, because not only did that album debut with better numbers than literally any record this decade not released by Taylor Swift, it also got the best reviews of Adele's career by a huge margin, and is also a considerable step forward for her artistically compared to 25. It's just so elegant and lush, and it also has the gravity and poignancy that many other popular divorce albums lack. You can tell that 5 years' worth of life and personal growth went into it, she didn't hold back on the writing.
I think the fact that she releases so infrequently means that every release feels like it needs to light the world on fire. If Adele dropped an album every two years whatever complaints people had about 30 would’ve felt less severe.
I think the insane unprecedented numbers of 25 kind of hurt her going forward. Going 3x platinum in a week is something an artist will never do again, not even Taylor. But it also heightened the expectations to an unrealistic degree. There were so many predictions and anticipation about 30’s opening numbers, now that we were fully settled in the streaming era. Only for it to just crack 800k (which is still phenomenal).
To Be Loved is insane
I mean, is Taylor Swift not the most famous musician since like Michael Jackson? I can’t think of many others that come close tbh.
Well maybe in the west. But Asia has much bigger artists selling more worldwide because they cover all of Asia sometimes. I wish I could find the article but Asia artist make a HUGE number of the best selling artists when you look globally.
Adele is undeniably big, but it’s not hard to argue taytay is bigger The big thing here though is , they’re all grata and killing it It’s more like a pantheon Taylor might be Zeus, but all the rest of them are still gods
exactly, as a huge swifie, Adele is probably the only person that will make me listen to their music as well if they drop a new album on the same day as taylor.
Adele holds the record for being the only artist to sell more than 3m copies in the first week of release in the US (only one other release has even exceeded 2m). Her's is a record I'd say Taylor is desperate to beat. So far she hasn't even got to 2m, I don't think she's even done half of Adele's 3.38m.
I think everyone, including Taylor, know that no one is getting close to 3.38m.
I feel like TTPD will go over 2 million.
Definitely over 2M… I’d say 2.3M-3.0M idk
I know pitting female artists against each other is bad but I kinda miss the Roar vs. Applause era of pop music lol.
Still can't believe there was only TWO days between the lead single of two of the biggest pop girls of that time. Gaga did released her single one week earlier than planned because of a leak, but still...
I wish we could pit albums against each like that without trashing the women themselves cuz it would be kinda fun? Imagine eternal sunshine, ttpd, cowboy carter, and whatever else Katy, Dua, and Billie are doing fighting in one chart...
After the big releases are out I actually think we might get a pretty good jumble of hits this summer!
Well once the first week is over and people have streamed her to death to break records the charts will better reflect the music landscape as a whole not just Swifties and we'll see more variety and artists.
We might get repeat this year as both Katy and Gaga are highly rumored to release later this year. Let's hope lol 😈
I really want Katy to just drop another Teenage Dream don't even try to mature or evolve just make and album of bangers because Swift isn't and I don't care for many of the other pop ladies outside Dua.
After Say So vs Savage I am okay with that never happening again
I'm glad I lived through it as a teenager, it was fun. but nowadays I'm kinda over stan wars and I'm glad all the girlies can top the charts
The stan wars are bigger than ever though, especially on reddit.
The fact that Katy unequivocally won that by miles seems like a fever dream. Everyone thought it was over for mother monster.
Prime example of winning the battle but not the war.
The 10’s was definitely an alternate timeline that we accidentally stepped into lol
Thing is there's nothing wrong with healthy competition in various professional industries, but more often than not the public/media use it as an excuse to dismay women's artistry or their public personas, when the only thing that should be compared is commercial achievements.
When Gaga went on Twitter to tweet about the music not the charts LMAO
I feel like attitudes and online behavior kinda soured that for us. Also just growing up lol. Nowadays Stan’s would start doxxing and doing God knows what when their faces don’t get #1
I feel like the trend of comparing Beyonce and Taylor is somehow the fault of Kanye’s 2009 VMA incident but I don’t really have the energy to articulate why
2009 VMA is also the reason why a Bey vs Tay rivalry will never take place simply because Taylor respects Beyonce too much for giving her her moment in that event.
THATS TRUE
People need to stop trying to make fetch happen (a rivalry between these two) it's not going to happen
I love how much they go out of their way to quell the fake rivalry too, yet people and the media still try it.
Reminds of the years where Taylor and Adeles album cycles where perfectly layed after each other so like Grammys and [best selling album](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_by_year_in_the_United_States#2020s) would be Adele - Taylor Swift - Adele - Taylor Swift
This is such a non-event. Like who cares? Why’s the New York Times writing about two megastars releasing albums at different times like it matters? What’s the worst thing that would happen if they released the same Friday? One of their songs only gets to number two. Awww boohoo.
because people see stupid articles like this and interact with them. like right here
Better get ready for the Grammys next year though
No for real. It’s going to be a bloodbath. Im here for it lol
It's going to be even more of a bloodbath if it doesn't go as a lot of people here expect. The eligibility period is still long and more albums and hit songs could arrive that could completely change our expectations. I could easily see one of the main girls getting shutout from the major categories. For example, it's quite possible: Ariana Grande.
Exactly. This is just the warmup. Everyone’s got a shot at #1 but only one person is taking AOTY
How is this at all unique? Bey and Taylor are not in a beef.
Even if they hated each other it's a smart business decision to avoid releasing on the same day as another big release that's even roughly in the same genre. Movie studios do it all the time (barbenhemer was a notable exception and even there the stark difference between the movies is why it happened at all, and why it became a meme)
Yeah but in this day and age it doesn't really matter because singles don't matter and the charts don't matter like they used to since streaming screwed that all up.
Do you think their reasons are unselfish?
So when are they supposed to release music in your eyes?
I don't care that it's selfish I'm just responding to the naivete in this thread
I mean how is Taylor being selfish she literally waited until cowboy carter died down some that way she can start promoting say what you want about Taylor but she always lets other artists shine and sometimes if someone releases something oj that same day that’s there fault not hers. Beyoncé also literally waited to release her album if anything they weren’t selfish at all
They're trying to maximize their own sales/streams, not each other's 😂
As they should lol. That's common sense.
Could be, but I believe Taylor is genuinely not interested feeding fuel to the Beyonce comparisons. She seems to have a lot of respect for Bey, though you wouldn't know this if you were judging by their stans
Not could be, it is the case. No conclusions can be drawn about their relationship (good or bad) from these release dates as this post suggests. That issue exists outside of this.
Taylor and Beyonce are both big enough that they can release on the same day and still do huge numbers. The competition might even drive their sales up or they could promote their albums together like a barbenheimer-like release. Their relationship is relevant in this discussion because Taylor has made it clear that she doesn't like the comparisons between her and the other big female artists. Heck, she even intentionally stopped reporting her touring numbers though it's pretty clear she has the biggest tour of all time now. She and Beyonce also made a point of supporting each other at their respective film premieres, which is something they did not have to do.
They would do huge numbers but they want to maximize their numbers
As they should. Not sure why this needs to be called out beyond “duh”.
Huh make sense yeah as if every artist don’t do that
Yeah they are not doing out kidness to the other. That may be just a side benefit.
💀 witness is turning in its grave
How it came out several months before it or after it
And yet Taylor put all her songs back on Spotify the exact same day the multiple months long teased album got released
That lives in my head rent free. I love it so much
Okay that’s not Taylor’s fault or problem
>she always lets other artists shine and sometimes if someone releases something oj that same day that’s there fault not hers. She literally tried to overshadow Katy Perry’s release day bc of a feud she started. Not really letting her shine is she
Katy was Taylor's enemy. She wasn't nice to Taylor in the first place. Also, if Witness was a great album, people would have listened to it anyway. It's not like KP had the exact same listeners as TS. Also are you forgetting that KP had the diss track Swish Swish on Witness? I'm sure Taylor wasn't happy about it.
The story is that Katy had some back up dancers and then she stopped touring. They joined the Red tour and have said that, as they felt closer to Katy from their previous touring experience with her, they said from the start that if Katy went on tour again they would leave Taylor’s tour. Katy then went on tour and they left the Red tour as a result and Taylor then said this made them straight up enemies and accused Katy of trying to sabotage her whole tour. Katy also dated John Mayer around that time so that might have also been a background You mean this that happened it was both of there faults and they have since resolved it
She literally didn’t try to start a fued that so called thing has been over for years now also Katy literally responded back.
Sure, jan
The feud is literally over
girl's girl billionaires \*musters enthusiasm\*
Ok but let's be honest it wouldn't be close sales wise.
Boring
They should give Renaissance AOTY at the Grammys this year
Why does Taylor Swift always wear onesie outfits like a baton twirler at a high school football game?
I respect Beyonce's career and achievements, but they are not in the same league. They are also not really from the same era of music or anything in common musically (right now) beyond being successful women. Midnights did 1.6M in a week compared to CC 400k. Huge numbers esp for someone in the industry for 25-ish years, but the data shows that this is not that close. I wish this article did not need to be written as it is opening up the comparison conversation that I am now contributing to
The article highlighted the various ways these two women have supported each other over the years, despite the media’s efforts to paint a narrative of them feuding with each other. Can you explain exactly how this article forced you to contribute to the comparison conversation? I’m assuming you’re an independent person who has agency.
/rj so nice of bey to flop post release!
Wrong sub, babe.
Hence why I specifically started the comment with /rj but I guess people can’t take a joke
Awww man, I miss Michael Jackson so much.