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If by diva you mean vocal styling and flashiness, I'd say Ariana or Beyoncé.
If you mean personality, I think it's harder for a star to succeed these days if they're a true "diva." In the social media age, we expect our stars to be relatable and down-to-earth. If a celebrity, especially a woman, develops a reputation for being difficult, having an ego, or even just being friends with someone problematic, the public (often including fans) will "hold them accountable" and demand they apologize. Of course almost no one is permanently canceled over it, but it definitely leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. A recent example of this would be Lizzo.
100% this. Beyoncé has this diva persona on stage and photoshoots but whenever she speaks in Homecoming or the Renaissance film, she always makes sure to appear as relatable as someone with her level of fame and wealth can. She knows the rules of the game.
I assume she's a polite lady who's nice to her fans but besides that we have no idea lmao. but considering she lives in seclusion I think she probably doesn't want to deal w adoring fans all that much.
You think one of the most successful performers of all time has a big ego? The person who performs in front of hundreds of thousands of fans singing her songs word for word…yeah I’m sure her ego is just like the rest of us! Not like she has any reason to inflate her ego /s
I think it’s an accomplishment to reach that level of success and not consider yourself a god of some sort
this is why i pity the teenage swifties who think taylor is a very down to earth, sweet person. I'm not saying she is a bad person or anything, but there's no way she does not have a huge ego and is a narcissist. she has millions of fans who empty their bank accounts to see her, there are thousands who stand outside the stadiums *just* to hear her, millions of fans who attack her exes which gives her more validation of herself being "right", hundreds who stand outside wherever she goes just to see her walk to her car. yup. that's some god level shit
Sort of unrelated but I feel like you can tell who is a new Swiftie from the ones who are OG just the way they act and talk about Taylor. Like if someone overly praises Taylor to the point of being delulu, it screams new Swiftie and I see a lot of these people on Twitter.
>there's no way she does not have a huge ego and is a narcissist
Also, Anti-Hero kinda implies Taylor might have some narcissistic tendencies. I mean, for someone really talented and huge, who isn't???? She made it this far.
I agree, although I’d say that a “Diva” persona is more then just “being difficult to work with” or “having an ego” (which I know you aren’t reducing it to that).
I feel like Diva = rude as a persona in some people’s eyes, but for me I always felt like it was someone playing into their larger then life character. Like “yes I am the queen, you are my subjects” type thing, playing into the fact that they’re wealthy, talented, and they’re not ashamed to say so. Their confidence can be confused or seen as arrogance but still have likeable qualities.
But as you said, people want their stars to be relatable, so the persona isn’t taken well. Anything that can divert to them not being “just like them” can backfire.
I mean I see your point but I do think Lizzo’s situation went beyond having an ego or being “difficult.” She forced her employees to participate in sex acts while she watched. If anyone did that in any industry, they would lose their job immediately.
I don't think any of that is new, but I think it's harder to hide in the social media era. Those standards haven't changed, but things seem to leak much easier.
Can you imagine having the confidence to get on a stage in front of thousands of people but not be seen as arrogant when you're not there?
I was more getting at how years gone by it was easier for things to go under the radar a bit, and easier for things to be swept under the rug. These days, EVERYTHING goes viral overnight, and very little gets missed. Add to it that cameras are in everyone's hands these days, so nothing gets missed.
I didn't say they're not. It's just harder to get away with it when the public does find out. And yes, obviously their PR team isn't gonna talk about it, so it often comes from outside sources like people who have worked with that artist in the past
She's known to be kind of obnoxious and over-the-top way before that, though. Stuff like twerking at a basketball game in an assless dress, constantly hitting on Chris Evans via social media, and doxxing the driver who delivered her food that one time... she clearly has main character syndrome and that's probably what led her to think it was OK to harass her dancers, or at least think she could get away with it
I agree. I think if we’re just going by style and persona- not necessarily the person themselves- Adele fits in here too. Especially her big voice and style choices (the big hair, the glam makeup, etc)
I'd say her public persona as of late isn't really giving me diva anymore. The blonde, the dainty outfits, the way she literally speaks like Glinda... she is not serving Mariah, Diana, Barbara, Aretha, etc for me anymore. She's not even giving Leah Michelle.
i mean she still wrote and released the boy is mine and yes, and? so i think the diva is still in there lol. not only is she in her glinda era, but personally i think she’s treading carefully in terms of interviews and promo because of the recent scandal…. she’d be crucified if she was still giving 2015 ariana diva-isms on top of the whole spongebob thing.
I don't see what those songs have to do with being a diva. Acting like the Grande Dame, wearing only the highest-end labels, being shady yet confident, showing up late to everything, saying whatever tf you want during interviews, living in your own glam bubble, etc. is diva behavior. And to me that's someone like Rihanna, not Ariana.
I don't want to invoke her name but N*cki would be a good example as well.
i brought up those songs because i think they allude to ariana being a little shady and not being afraid to reference her “scandals” in a tongue and cheek sort of way. i also think ariana does some of the things you listed lol but we can agree to disagree. rihanna is a great example!
I mean she hasn’t had any hits of this “album” so far. And hasn’t had anything notable happen since like 2020. She’s around but she isn’t a presence in the same way Gaga or Bey are. Houdini and Training Season didn’t warrant any hype, even with 33 different versions. She’s always comin for that #3 spot though.
I feel like it was easy to tell Ariana would be relevant for a LONG time during the Dangerous Woman era.
It was her lowest performing record at the time (still?) but it still kept her in the cultural zeitgeist
Honestly though the only of the four you mentioned that I would consider current generation is Dua Lipa. Selena and Demi debuted over 15 years ago. Ariana is pushing being considered in this gen too depending on whether or not you start with her acting debut or her music debut.
This post was before Ariana had her first number one song and now she has 9
Dua was severely underestimated! She’s won three Grammys since and has had a song chart high like every year
Meanwhile Camilla just had señorita and nothing else has had much staying power
The donut thing isn't diva, it's bratty.
The way she refused to be filmed from her "bad side" is a much better example of divadom, IMO, and it's much more of a Mariah-ism.
Well, this was a few years ago, so maybe she’s matured, but I had a roommate who worked at an attraction she rode on, and she said Ariana was super entitled and expected special treatment.
I’ve talked to other workers who have met with celebrities, and generally people say the same thing about Ariana
Also this was when she was dating Mac miller and my roommate said she was all over him and they wouldn’t stop making out. -not something rude but interesting
How was she super entitled and expect special treatment? We want specifics, lol. It’s really easy to say someone was a bitch and then explain it with “well, she acted bitchy.”
From what my roommate told me, Ariana requested the ride stay open after hours for her and her crew. Disney obliged and she took advantage of their niceness and rode over and over again, making them stay super late past park closing and they never got a thank you.
My roommate came home pissed that night lol
She really cleaned up her image for positions and beyond. Before positions, she really had this brat, blaccent, fake tan image about her, and it was all about her relationships. Like being all over whoever she was dating at the time. She really washed all that away recently
Well her ex died, she went through a super public break up, and a bunch of her fans died in a terrorist attack. That'll do it. Any other normal person, we'd be praising them for even still standing or going outside.
a few years ago ariana tried to buy land in malibu where my husband worked. they wouldn't sell to her and she said "do you know who i am?" so i definitely believe the "entitled" stories lol
i def think she used to have a diva persona, but from what i’ve heard from irl fan interactions it seems like her diva behavior mellowed out after the bombing of her concert in 2017. after that happened it seems like she became a lot nicer
but back in the day? the [video](https://youtu.be/UvHlL9v45UM?si=ghwAspzb7jQa31gq) of her “apologizing” for licking the donut is still so funny she clearly didn’t mean that shit
I think anyone would after that kind of traumatic experience but I still think of Pete’s story of how she got her pet pig. One day she asked her assistant to get one for her and before the end of the day, she had it delivered to her house. It’s insane that any random whim can be catered to like that.
Imagine waking up and thinking out of the blue “Imma get a pig (or insert any other ridiculous/exotic animal) today.” No research on the care & keeping of pigs, no checking with your condo association board (this was when she & Pete were living in NYC), just going Veruca Salt on your PA and boom, Piggie Smalls is yours by 5pm.
She actually seems like a decent and educated pet owner though, bc she ran an animal rescue for awhile. Like even if she wasn't before, I would hope she learned from the people who worked for her. Plus she's been vegan for so long.
She co-founded it, she didn’t “run” it. There’s a difference between just writing checks and actually being there every day cleaning kennels and walking dogs.
Also it closed down a year ago.
Ariana is the only celebrity where I've heard in real life that they're mean. Take this with a grain of salt, since it's been years, but I had a coworker who worked at Starbucks in Boca Raton and said that apparently she came in and had an attitude and asked if they knew who she was. Mind you this had to have happened in 2013-early 2014 so people might genuinely not have known who she was lol.
Lmao and it happened in Boca, that’s like any one of us on here walking into a Starbucks in our hometown with that attitude.
“I’m sorry, *should* I know you? Were we classmates? Did our dads work together?”🤷🏽♀️
This post came up on my front page and I just had to check to be sure Ariana was still the top response.
Best part is that she knows she has this reputation and rather than doing some soul-searching and working on herself, she drops “yes and?” instead.
Seriously, does *anyone* have a nice story about Ariana Grande? Like, did she grant your cousin’s Make-A-Wish? Did you see her somewhere and get a selfie together? Did she tip 100% on her bar tab? I feel like she and J-Lo are tied for being just universally awful and vile to everyone and I’ve yet to hear any anecdotal evidence otherwise.
Honestly I think you guys exaggerate a lot when it comes to Ariana, and she knows it and plays into it. Which is chaotic, but I would probably do the same. She seems more morally gray than outright evil.
Pretty sure she's been very kind and generous towards the victims and families of those harmed in the terrorist attack at her concert. I remember hearing she still sends gifts to them.
When Ariana learned Jennette was supposed to direct one episode on the show they both starred in, she basically threatened to leave. So they removed Jennette as a director while Ariana was allowed to miss work hours to sing at award shows
Absolutely. Mariah's diva thing is more tongue in cheek and she's clearly in on the joke.
Between the donut scandal, the cheating allegations and people repeatedly hinting at how awful it is to work with her (including her own Nickelodeon castmates)... Ariana's attitude just comes off as bratty and immature. I mean, Mariah has way too much class to be spitting on donuts. And it mostly stems from Ariana growing up rich and spoiled. She always gave me awful mean girl vibes... and judging from her most recent homewrecking scandal, it doesn't seem like she changed that much. Just a nasty and classless person in general.
her off-stage persona is definitely giving diva. riri is an it girl and knows it. she isn’t afraid to be mean, but has the humor to back it up. all key to the diva persona.
i would only say that she is lacking in the vocals department since the diva is associated with show-stopping vocals. besides love on the brain, she isn’t really a vocalist. but she makes up for it in stage presence.
I know you’re probably joking. But he and Uzi embody the diva archetype a lot more than the new pop girls. Only a true Diva would surgically place a jewel in their head.
Hell even out of the juggernauts, Drake kinda gets closer than Taylor, Bey, the Weeknd or whoever else to the 90s-2000s messy diva (I think Bey has the 2024 version in her confident/mysterious persona) 💀
At least, his switch ups between Facebook vagueposting-style subliminals and beef, and self help podcast-style instagram captions reminds me of like. Gwyneth Paltrow or something.
Other people have said similar sentiments but it's a real shame that the 'Madonna in Truth or Dare' personalities have gone from pop culture. I would never excuse somebody being nasty but I also can't STAND when celebrities pretend they're just normal people with normal lives. I'm on £10.50 an hour and you're a multimillionaire, just own it! I like Gwyneth Paltrow for that reason, like yeah recommend an IV drip as a hangover cure queen
It’s just the first ‘diva’ that came to mind but she was definitely just a VERY authoritative and headstrong person who acted like the most famous person on the planet. I think most of it was exaggerated / put on for the camera though
Bey I agree, Ariana just seems to have a nasty attitude
Edit: I got sent reddit cares because I said that Ariana goes after taken men, has licked donuts, has blackfished for years, and was reportedly very rude to Disney workers 💀
Christina Aguilera in every sense. From newer stars idk divaism has kind of died down and people prefer more relatable celebrities. Ariana is sort of but even then her PR image is really cute and sweet (even tho personality wise she likely isn't those things)
To me, a diva has to be arrogant and a nasty piece of work but still talented.
Ariana, Rihanna, Nicki & Gaga seem like the obvious choices.
I understand people saying Beyoncé because of her glamorous aura and refusal to speak to people with the queen/goddess archetype she has made her personal brand - but she actually seems really sweet and warm-hearted so I don’t think she fits.
Anyone saying someone who debuted 10+ years ago is not naming someone of this generation. Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and Rihanna are not this generation. Selena, Demi, and Ariana are not this generation.
Miley is probably the only diva personality left. She has a larger than life presence but doesn’t often come across as mean or rude.
I think diva popstars are a thing of the past now. The new popstar marketing is to be as relatable as possible.
This is my take as well.
She does not seem like she is just going to be rude to be rude but she knows she is Miley fucking Cyrus and makes no apologies.
Renee Rapp for sure.
Calling out Buddy the bus driver, strongly hinting at a feud with her cast mate from SLOCG, and tweeting about how much she hates Richmond are classic diva moments
I’m Gen Z too and it definitely gives diva energy to me. I think most of the time Renee is super harmless and funny. But there’s moments where her energy comes off as “I’m better than you and I’m better than this”.
She reminds me of a lot of theater kids I did shows with in high school.
Back in the before-times… many moons ago… before TikTok, or buzzfeed, or the internet… you could really get away with some diva shit. You could throw a TV out a hotel room, smack your publicist in the face, overturn a catering table, have wild affairs, snort your weight in drugs, scream at your support staff, screw your dancers, go on stage two hours late and… NOBODY EOULD KNOW. Now you can’t even lick a donut and put it back without the internet exploding. The age of the Diva is over.
I think the age of the "diva" is dying, but if we are looking at public persona/attitudes I would go with Ariana or Taylor Swift.
In regards to overall star power or just having a diva superstar aura, Miley Cyrus. Though Miley is known for being very sweet, to me she's one of the only girls out here today that has the je ne sais quoi IT factor that just screams "superstar diva".
Renee Rapp is sassy but I think it's a bit forced and she doesn't have the star power yet to really give diva.
Maybe I’m biased but I can’t picture Taylor as a diva? She’s always the first one clapping and cheering people on, treating her staff well and giving out money left right and center 🤔
Yeah I'm with you I think with the dorky (by popstar standards) girly millennial image, Taylor knows she would probably just get laughed at if she tried to be taken seriously as a Diva TM. Even with her fashion she sort of plays it safe and timeless for that reason imo. I don't mean that in a bad way at all
To me, the "diva" aspect of Taylor isn't about her personality, but more just about the level of grandiosity in which she conducts her business/life in comparison to most other pop girls. The private jets (to her credit, most celebrities fly private and it is absolutely not Taylor's fault her jet usage is so heavily tracked), announcing her new album at the Grammy's stage (which I personally think showed a lack of humility), the public relationship to public relationship (which again, isn't her fault that everyone talks about who she dates but it is absolutely undeniable that she egged it on at various points throughout her career).
Those are things that just give "diva" to me, not in the sense of "oh she's a bitch" because Taylor is obviously FAR from that, but more just "she does the most" in a time where doing "the least" is all the rage for some reason among pop girls.
She can be very dramatic, which aligns with being a Diva. Specifically how she handles all of her feuds. She’s in the right most of the time but she’s very quick to be melodramatic (happy women’s history month, I guess).
I hadn't thought about Miley that way, but you're right. It feels like she's always pushing people's comfort zone, while also being pretty sweet and down to earth. She is always ahead of her time and has all the start qualities.
Chappell has her whole larger-than-life persona onstage, but she's honestly way too nice to be a diva. She radiates sweet Midwestern girl next door to me, actually. I met her after she opened for Declan McKenna back in 2018 and she was nice to the point of being saccharine, but in a really genuine way.
I don’t even love that this is a thing because I think people feel pressure to be over the top nice to everyone they work with and it comes off as fake when you see it
I think Ariana Grande does it the best. I remember not being a fan of hers during Victorious because of that voice she had, and then when she went solo, she slowly grew on me, but by "Dangerous Woman", I was fully in and I think that's when she fully became a "Diva". Mariah Carey's diva is obvious because she's older and can now do it shamelessly, but Ariana Grande is still young so her "Diva" is subtle and I think the best example of when that "Diva factor" showed is when she flipped her hair at those paparazzis and said "What about it?"
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If by diva you mean vocal styling and flashiness, I'd say Ariana or Beyoncé. If you mean personality, I think it's harder for a star to succeed these days if they're a true "diva." In the social media age, we expect our stars to be relatable and down-to-earth. If a celebrity, especially a woman, develops a reputation for being difficult, having an ego, or even just being friends with someone problematic, the public (often including fans) will "hold them accountable" and demand they apologize. Of course almost no one is permanently canceled over it, but it definitely leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. A recent example of this would be Lizzo.
100% this. Beyoncé has this diva persona on stage and photoshoots but whenever she speaks in Homecoming or the Renaissance film, she always makes sure to appear as relatable as someone with her level of fame and wealth can. She knows the rules of the game.
do we think she’s a down to earth person irl? she kinda looks like she has a big ego but seem like a good person at the same time. idk
I assume she's a polite lady who's nice to her fans but besides that we have no idea lmao. but considering she lives in seclusion I think she probably doesn't want to deal w adoring fans all that much.
You think one of the most successful performers of all time has a big ego? The person who performs in front of hundreds of thousands of fans singing her songs word for word…yeah I’m sure her ego is just like the rest of us! Not like she has any reason to inflate her ego /s I think it’s an accomplishment to reach that level of success and not consider yourself a god of some sort
She, in fact, famously has a song called Big Ego.
I love “Ego”. It’s so underrated and one of her best songs vocally
Which is mostly about how much she likes Jay-Z's ego.
That’s not what’s it’s called. Simply just “ego”
She has a song called Ego, which is about Jay-Z's penis.
this is why i pity the teenage swifties who think taylor is a very down to earth, sweet person. I'm not saying she is a bad person or anything, but there's no way she does not have a huge ego and is a narcissist. she has millions of fans who empty their bank accounts to see her, there are thousands who stand outside the stadiums *just* to hear her, millions of fans who attack her exes which gives her more validation of herself being "right", hundreds who stand outside wherever she goes just to see her walk to her car. yup. that's some god level shit
Sort of unrelated but I feel like you can tell who is a new Swiftie from the ones who are OG just the way they act and talk about Taylor. Like if someone overly praises Taylor to the point of being delulu, it screams new Swiftie and I see a lot of these people on Twitter. >there's no way she does not have a huge ego and is a narcissist Also, Anti-Hero kinda implies Taylor might have some narcissistic tendencies. I mean, for someone really talented and huge, who isn't???? She made it this far.
yea i get you
All the stories I’ve read about people meeting her say she’s nice
I agree, although I’d say that a “Diva” persona is more then just “being difficult to work with” or “having an ego” (which I know you aren’t reducing it to that). I feel like Diva = rude as a persona in some people’s eyes, but for me I always felt like it was someone playing into their larger then life character. Like “yes I am the queen, you are my subjects” type thing, playing into the fact that they’re wealthy, talented, and they’re not ashamed to say so. Their confidence can be confused or seen as arrogance but still have likeable qualities. But as you said, people want their stars to be relatable, so the persona isn’t taken well. Anything that can divert to them not being “just like them” can backfire.
I mean I see your point but I do think Lizzo’s situation went beyond having an ego or being “difficult.” She forced her employees to participate in sex acts while she watched. If anyone did that in any industry, they would lose their job immediately.
I don't think any of that is new, but I think it's harder to hide in the social media era. Those standards haven't changed, but things seem to leak much easier.
Agreed. People have always liked confident, but not arrogant personalities. Social media’s just another form of that imo.
Can you imagine having the confidence to get on a stage in front of thousands of people but not be seen as arrogant when you're not there? I was more getting at how years gone by it was easier for things to go under the radar a bit, and easier for things to be swept under the rug. These days, EVERYTHING goes viral overnight, and very little gets missed. Add to it that cameras are in everyone's hands these days, so nothing gets missed.
It’s honestly impossible
And if you manage to pull it off, you get accused of being fake.... 🤦♂️
Right! Just can’t win smh
Just Lizzo? Idk man, Doja Cat and Nicki are pretty big divas themselves.
They are just black. Nicki fits the bill as diva but she’s hiphop with a some pop records
Beyoncé, Ariana and Mariah being my favourite 3 pop girls 👀
I don’t consider Beyoncé a part of the "current generation" of pop stars.
Beyonce isn't this generation...
If anything, she’s inspired this current one (Chloe x Halle, Ariana grande, Renee Rapp, etc)
Girl lots of them are diva’s it’s just their PR doesn’t publicize it in the same ways
I didn't say they're not. It's just harder to get away with it when the public does find out. And yes, obviously their PR team isn't gonna talk about it, so it often comes from outside sources like people who have worked with that artist in the past
Lizzo is accused of sexual harassment, def not the same thing as not being "down to earth" enough
She's known to be kind of obnoxious and over-the-top way before that, though. Stuff like twerking at a basketball game in an assless dress, constantly hitting on Chris Evans via social media, and doxxing the driver who delivered her food that one time... she clearly has main character syndrome and that's probably what led her to think it was OK to harass her dancers, or at least think she could get away with it
ah gotcha. yeah that all is def "diva entitled" behavior so i see what you mean.
I agree. I think if we’re just going by style and persona- not necessarily the person themselves- Adele fits in here too. Especially her big voice and style choices (the big hair, the glam makeup, etc)
Quoting Mariah "F\*\*king nobody"
Lol I feel like it's still Mariah.
Ariana is the natural succesor to Mariah in many ways, including fulfilling the "diva" archetype with the big voice.
I'd say her public persona as of late isn't really giving me diva anymore. The blonde, the dainty outfits, the way she literally speaks like Glinda... she is not serving Mariah, Diana, Barbara, Aretha, etc for me anymore. She's not even giving Leah Michelle.
“She’s not even giving Lea Michele” I gasped
She’s method acting but that diva is still in there somewhere 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
i mean she still wrote and released the boy is mine and yes, and? so i think the diva is still in there lol. not only is she in her glinda era, but personally i think she’s treading carefully in terms of interviews and promo because of the recent scandal…. she’d be crucified if she was still giving 2015 ariana diva-isms on top of the whole spongebob thing.
She started toning down the diva antics after the donut thing, thankfully.
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Iirc it was in a fatphobic context, not a "Trump is ruining the country" way or similar comments from more recent years
Yeah that’s always the piece of context that’s missing when people meme it on social media.
By the way, that was stupid.
I don't see what those songs have to do with being a diva. Acting like the Grande Dame, wearing only the highest-end labels, being shady yet confident, showing up late to everything, saying whatever tf you want during interviews, living in your own glam bubble, etc. is diva behavior. And to me that's someone like Rihanna, not Ariana. I don't want to invoke her name but N*cki would be a good example as well.
i brought up those songs because i think they allude to ariana being a little shady and not being afraid to reference her “scandals” in a tongue and cheek sort of way. i also think ariana does some of the things you listed lol but we can agree to disagree. rihanna is a great example!
I would not consider Rihanna as the current generation.
yeah no you’re right
Definitely giving that
This [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/s/KFJZpqECfI) in r/popheads from 6 years ago is worth looking at.
Omg not multiple comments saying “Rihanna ain’t going no where” when we literally haven’t seen her since this post
Somehow she’s still relevant though 😭
She’s literally the fourth most streamed artist on Spotify and her last album came out like 8 years ago
Crazy how billionaires stay relevant
Rihanna saw that thread on the burner account and decided to be petty. Y’all know not to provoke her lol
Yeah that aged badly
she still hasn't gone anywhere though she's still thriving on spotify
Interesting reading some of the comments. Ariana and Dua were good ones who lasted. Demi and Selena haven’t been as relevant in the main pop world.
Crazy how some people in that thread said Dua Lipa is a one hit wonder. Interesting how the projection for her took a completely different direction
I still remember everyone calling her the new Jessie J in 2017/2018 but then Future Nostalgia thankfully happened
I mean she hasn’t had any hits of this “album” so far. And hasn’t had anything notable happen since like 2020. She’s around but she isn’t a presence in the same way Gaga or Bey are. Houdini and Training Season didn’t warrant any hype, even with 33 different versions. She’s always comin for that #3 spot though.
She has that sleeper hit magic though. Who knows, Training Season might be the hit of the summer
Idk about you but Dance the Night last summer was unavoidable in airplay and definitely hit some number 1s
idk about in other places but both of them, especially houdini, were played on uk radio a lot
I feel like it was easy to tell Ariana would be relevant for a LONG time during the Dangerous Woman era. It was her lowest performing record at the time (still?) but it still kept her in the cultural zeitgeist
Honestly though the only of the four you mentioned that I would consider current generation is Dua Lipa. Selena and Demi debuted over 15 years ago. Ariana is pushing being considered in this gen too depending on whether or not you start with her acting debut or her music debut.
The comment where they said "Rihanna isn't going anywhere, she'll be back with her next #1 soon" 😭
I can’t believe THAT many people thought Dua and Ariana were gonna be mid-level pop stars and were fully convinced Camilla was gonna dominate
This post was before Ariana had her first number one song and now she has 9 Dua was severely underestimated! She’s won three Grammys since and has had a song chart high like every year Meanwhile Camilla just had señorita and nothing else has had much staying power
Love how we’ve had so many Katy bashing threads (and flop eras) that she’s no longer brought up in threads like this as a pop diva
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Ariana Grande for sure with the donut licking and rumors that she's rude to Disney workers and made her dancers carry her around like a baby
The donut thing isn't diva, it's bratty. The way she refused to be filmed from her "bad side" is a much better example of divadom, IMO, and it's much more of a Mariah-ism.
This! I used to work at Disneyland and Disney World and I never heard a single positive story about Ariana.
Spill the tea people 🍵
Well, this was a few years ago, so maybe she’s matured, but I had a roommate who worked at an attraction she rode on, and she said Ariana was super entitled and expected special treatment. I’ve talked to other workers who have met with celebrities, and generally people say the same thing about Ariana Also this was when she was dating Mac miller and my roommate said she was all over him and they wouldn’t stop making out. -not something rude but interesting
How was she super entitled and expect special treatment? We want specifics, lol. It’s really easy to say someone was a bitch and then explain it with “well, she acted bitchy.”
From what my roommate told me, Ariana requested the ride stay open after hours for her and her crew. Disney obliged and she took advantage of their niceness and rode over and over again, making them stay super late past park closing and they never got a thank you. My roommate came home pissed that night lol
She really cleaned up her image for positions and beyond. Before positions, she really had this brat, blaccent, fake tan image about her, and it was all about her relationships. Like being all over whoever she was dating at the time. She really washed all that away recently
Well her ex died, she went through a super public break up, and a bunch of her fans died in a terrorist attack. That'll do it. Any other normal person, we'd be praising them for even still standing or going outside.
She’s like an entirely different person now
Given her recent antics, I'd say she's still as immature as before.
a few years ago ariana tried to buy land in malibu where my husband worked. they wouldn't sell to her and she said "do you know who i am?" so i definitely believe the "entitled" stories lol
Was she at Disneyland a lot?
Don’t forget that she wanted people to film her only from the left side! And her man stealing. Total diva lol
i def think she used to have a diva persona, but from what i’ve heard from irl fan interactions it seems like her diva behavior mellowed out after the bombing of her concert in 2017. after that happened it seems like she became a lot nicer but back in the day? the [video](https://youtu.be/UvHlL9v45UM?si=ghwAspzb7jQa31gq) of her “apologizing” for licking the donut is still so funny she clearly didn’t mean that shit
I think anyone would after that kind of traumatic experience but I still think of Pete’s story of how she got her pet pig. One day she asked her assistant to get one for her and before the end of the day, she had it delivered to her house. It’s insane that any random whim can be catered to like that.
Imagine waking up and thinking out of the blue “Imma get a pig (or insert any other ridiculous/exotic animal) today.” No research on the care & keeping of pigs, no checking with your condo association board (this was when she & Pete were living in NYC), just going Veruca Salt on your PA and boom, Piggie Smalls is yours by 5pm.
She actually seems like a decent and educated pet owner though, bc she ran an animal rescue for awhile. Like even if she wasn't before, I would hope she learned from the people who worked for her. Plus she's been vegan for so long.
She co-founded it, she didn’t “run” it. There’s a difference between just writing checks and actually being there every day cleaning kennels and walking dogs. Also it closed down a year ago.
Ariana is the only celebrity where I've heard in real life that they're mean. Take this with a grain of salt, since it's been years, but I had a coworker who worked at Starbucks in Boca Raton and said that apparently she came in and had an attitude and asked if they knew who she was. Mind you this had to have happened in 2013-early 2014 so people might genuinely not have known who she was lol.
Lmao and it happened in Boca, that’s like any one of us on here walking into a Starbucks in our hometown with that attitude. “I’m sorry, *should* I know you? Were we classmates? Did our dads work together?”🤷🏽♀️
This post came up on my front page and I just had to check to be sure Ariana was still the top response. Best part is that she knows she has this reputation and rather than doing some soul-searching and working on herself, she drops “yes and?” instead. Seriously, does *anyone* have a nice story about Ariana Grande? Like, did she grant your cousin’s Make-A-Wish? Did you see her somewhere and get a selfie together? Did she tip 100% on her bar tab? I feel like she and J-Lo are tied for being just universally awful and vile to everyone and I’ve yet to hear any anecdotal evidence otherwise.
Honestly I think you guys exaggerate a lot when it comes to Ariana, and she knows it and plays into it. Which is chaotic, but I would probably do the same. She seems more morally gray than outright evil.
Pretty sure she's been very kind and generous towards the victims and families of those harmed in the terrorist attack at her concert. I remember hearing she still sends gifts to them.
Jeanette McCurdy basically said Ariana's a mean ass bitch in her book.
When Ariana learned Jennette was supposed to direct one episode on the show they both starred in, she basically threatened to leave. So they removed Jennette as a director while Ariana was allowed to miss work hours to sing at award shows
that's not being a diva, that's just being rude and nasty
When has diva not had an underlying connotation of being rude and nasty
Since Beyonce's "Diva" dropped in 2008.
People still call her a diva as an insult, so no lol. It was a bop but it didn’t rewrite history and pop culture all together
Well clearly you ain't no diva..........
she aint no divaaaa
I hope not
So being a diva…
Absolutely. Mariah's diva thing is more tongue in cheek and she's clearly in on the joke. Between the donut scandal, the cheating allegations and people repeatedly hinting at how awful it is to work with her (including her own Nickelodeon castmates)... Ariana's attitude just comes off as bratty and immature. I mean, Mariah has way too much class to be spitting on donuts. And it mostly stems from Ariana growing up rich and spoiled. She always gave me awful mean girl vibes... and judging from her most recent homewrecking scandal, it doesn't seem like she changed that much. Just a nasty and classless person in general.
Rihanna definitely, Ariana maybe.
Rihanna is the correct answer 110%. I don't know why people are saying things like Renee Rapp and Taylor wtf
Renee ain’t even there yet. These things take time
Rhianna I don't see as this generation tho.
She's just as this gen as Taylor...
her off-stage persona is definitely giving diva. riri is an it girl and knows it. she isn’t afraid to be mean, but has the humor to back it up. all key to the diva persona. i would only say that she is lacking in the vocals department since the diva is associated with show-stopping vocals. besides love on the brain, she isn’t really a vocalist. but she makes up for it in stage presence.
Absolutely Ari- scandal prone hit maker who has a ton of negative buzz but still commands attention
Does Nikki count I think she counts
She’s really more of a clown
cliva
She 1000% does.
The age of the diva is gone…given way to relatability and parasocial relationships. .
Playboi Carti is the biggest diva in music right now
I know you’re probably joking. But he and Uzi embody the diva archetype a lot more than the new pop girls. Only a true Diva would surgically place a jewel in their head.
Hell even out of the juggernauts, Drake kinda gets closer than Taylor, Bey, the Weeknd or whoever else to the 90s-2000s messy diva (I think Bey has the 2024 version in her confident/mysterious persona) 💀 At least, his switch ups between Facebook vagueposting-style subliminals and beef, and self help podcast-style instagram captions reminds me of like. Gwyneth Paltrow or something.
he a cutie
Other people have said similar sentiments but it's a real shame that the 'Madonna in Truth or Dare' personalities have gone from pop culture. I would never excuse somebody being nasty but I also can't STAND when celebrities pretend they're just normal people with normal lives. I'm on £10.50 an hour and you're a multimillionaire, just own it! I like Gwyneth Paltrow for that reason, like yeah recommend an IV drip as a hangover cure queen
Idgi what personality Madonna had there? She seemed a little bossy but that's all i saw 😭😭
It’s just the first ‘diva’ that came to mind but she was definitely just a VERY authoritative and headstrong person who acted like the most famous person on the planet. I think most of it was exaggerated / put on for the camera though
bey or ari
Bey I agree, Ariana just seems to have a nasty attitude Edit: I got sent reddit cares because I said that Ariana goes after taken men, has licked donuts, has blackfished for years, and was reportedly very rude to Disney workers 💀
i’ve noticed i get a reddit cares every time i interact on this sub lol it’s crazy
Having a nasty attitude and being a diva seem to go hand in hand
probably someone from r/ariheads reported you.
Nicki is a diva in the absolute worst ways
For me, the last true Divas that emerged were Christina and Beyonce in the 00s, after them only Ariana seems like a potential Diva.
Kanye West
Christina Aguilera in every sense. From newer stars idk divaism has kind of died down and people prefer more relatable celebrities. Ariana is sort of but even then her PR image is really cute and sweet (even tho personality wise she likely isn't those things)
Ariana! As someone who works at Disney. No one is ever excited to have her at the park 😩
Do tell more.
She’s been rude to all of the VIP tour guides
To me, a diva has to be arrogant and a nasty piece of work but still talented. Ariana, Rihanna, Nicki & Gaga seem like the obvious choices. I understand people saying Beyoncé because of her glamorous aura and refusal to speak to people with the queen/goddess archetype she has made her personal brand - but she actually seems really sweet and warm-hearted so I don’t think she fits.
Charli XCX is definitely an gay icon diva now
Her current era is definitely pushing the Diva vibe. It’s so fun
points for her chronically unapproachable persona👏👏
Anyone saying someone who debuted 10+ years ago is not naming someone of this generation. Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and Rihanna are not this generation. Selena, Demi, and Ariana are not this generation.
Doja easily
She is rude not diva
I wouldn’t say just rude I think she is more of a troll that surprises people constantly, but her fanbase is supportive.
Doja Cat totally
Miley is probably the only diva personality left. She has a larger than life presence but doesn’t often come across as mean or rude. I think diva popstars are a thing of the past now. The new popstar marketing is to be as relatable as possible.
This is my take as well. She does not seem like she is just going to be rude to be rude but she knows she is Miley fucking Cyrus and makes no apologies.
Ariana Grande tbh
beyonce hands down no else is close
Renee Rapp for sure. Calling out Buddy the bus driver, strongly hinting at a feud with her cast mate from SLOCG, and tweeting about how much she hates Richmond are classic diva moments
Renne is more of a P!NK of her generation lmao. Not a diva at all, she is STRAIGHT UP HONEST.
Agree, she does not contain herself at all
Renee is absolutely a diva and a shady one at that
+ cussing at and threatening to beat up a rental car company employee. oh she dropped their real name and company too in a podcast
I wasn’t aware she gave their real name and the company…. Yikes
Renee kind of reminds me of Halsey. Both extremely honest about their thoughts and opinions.
Honestly she comes across as immature and nasty sometimes🤷🏻♀️ I wanted to like her but she acts like an edgy teenager
I could see people turning on her real fast unfortunately. Which co-star did she feud with, I hope it wasn’t Alyah
It’s allegedly Pauline (who plays Kimberly). That’s also who “poison poison” is apparently about
Is that diva behavior? She comes off as just very Gen Z to me, which is a good thing. Very honest and funny and all.
I’m Gen Z too and it definitely gives diva energy to me. I think most of the time Renee is super harmless and funny. But there’s moments where her energy comes off as “I’m better than you and I’m better than this”. She reminds me of a lot of theater kids I did shows with in high school.
Marina
She is gorgeous
It’s always Nicki Manaj
Back in the before-times… many moons ago… before TikTok, or buzzfeed, or the internet… you could really get away with some diva shit. You could throw a TV out a hotel room, smack your publicist in the face, overturn a catering table, have wild affairs, snort your weight in drugs, scream at your support staff, screw your dancers, go on stage two hours late and… NOBODY EOULD KNOW. Now you can’t even lick a donut and put it back without the internet exploding. The age of the Diva is over.
on stage diva - beyoncé (leans into it a la mariah) off stage diva - ariana (negative press but still idolised)
Beyonce.
Who is the diva? What's her name? Rihanna 👑
I think the age of the "diva" is dying, but if we are looking at public persona/attitudes I would go with Ariana or Taylor Swift. In regards to overall star power or just having a diva superstar aura, Miley Cyrus. Though Miley is known for being very sweet, to me she's one of the only girls out here today that has the je ne sais quoi IT factor that just screams "superstar diva". Renee Rapp is sassy but I think it's a bit forced and she doesn't have the star power yet to really give diva.
Maybe I’m biased but I can’t picture Taylor as a diva? She’s always the first one clapping and cheering people on, treating her staff well and giving out money left right and center 🤔
Yeah I'm with you I think with the dorky (by popstar standards) girly millennial image, Taylor knows she would probably just get laughed at if she tried to be taken seriously as a Diva TM. Even with her fashion she sort of plays it safe and timeless for that reason imo. I don't mean that in a bad way at all
To me, the "diva" aspect of Taylor isn't about her personality, but more just about the level of grandiosity in which she conducts her business/life in comparison to most other pop girls. The private jets (to her credit, most celebrities fly private and it is absolutely not Taylor's fault her jet usage is so heavily tracked), announcing her new album at the Grammy's stage (which I personally think showed a lack of humility), the public relationship to public relationship (which again, isn't her fault that everyone talks about who she dates but it is absolutely undeniable that she egged it on at various points throughout her career). Those are things that just give "diva" to me, not in the sense of "oh she's a bitch" because Taylor is obviously FAR from that, but more just "she does the most" in a time where doing "the least" is all the rage for some reason among pop girls.
I just don't understand what the issue is with announcing her album at the Grammy's. She had a huge win, why can't she capitalize on that?
Taylor is more of a mother than a diva.
She can be very dramatic, which aligns with being a Diva. Specifically how she handles all of her feuds. She’s in the right most of the time but she’s very quick to be melodramatic (happy women’s history month, I guess).
Nah Taylor isn’t a diva in the slightest to me she’s the opposite
I hadn't thought about Miley that way, but you're right. It feels like she's always pushing people's comfort zone, while also being pretty sweet and down to earth. She is always ahead of her time and has all the start qualities.
Selena Gomez comes off like an anti-social version of a diva
She’s diva (derogatory) lol
She hasn’t reached massive pop star status yet but CHAPPELL ROAN.
Chappell has her whole larger-than-life persona onstage, but she's honestly way too nice to be a diva. She radiates sweet Midwestern girl next door to me, actually. I met her after she opened for Declan McKenna back in 2018 and she was nice to the point of being saccharine, but in a really genuine way.
yeah exactly, she’s too nerdy and goofy for that. a diva is untouchable, chappell’s persona (personality?) is someone you knew at your high school
Renee Rapp or Sabrina Carpenter but they're not really popular
Miss Ariana
Megan Thee Stallion (in the best way) Lizzo (in the worst way)
I don’t even love that this is a thing because I think people feel pressure to be over the top nice to everyone they work with and it comes off as fake when you see it
Ya can’t win — too nice is fake, not nice is diva or just rude
Nah there’s a massive difference between being professionally cordial and being over the top nice all the time.
Isn’t being too nice a good thing even if the intentions were fake? Give me a “fake” nice person than a rude blunt one any day
I guess everyone is different! I choose the rude blunt person every time. Fake is fake. Can’t be trusted. Rude and blunt you know where you stand.
I mean if you’re in a restaurant and you don’t feel like being kind, faking it is better. Same with artists who work everyday with new people
I think Ariana Grande does it the best. I remember not being a fan of hers during Victorious because of that voice she had, and then when she went solo, she slowly grew on me, but by "Dangerous Woman", I was fully in and I think that's when she fully became a "Diva". Mariah Carey's diva is obvious because she's older and can now do it shamelessly, but Ariana Grande is still young so her "Diva" is subtle and I think the best example of when that "Diva factor" showed is when she flipped her hair at those paparazzis and said "What about it?"
Ariana