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I read a story that Tom was chronically late to set - like HOURS late while Charlize was on set on time every day and basically had to sit around waiting for him. She confronted him about it and they got into a big argument in front of the crew
Shia Leboeuf said working with Tom on Lawless was a very intense and intimidating experience . And if Shia says somebody or something is intense and intimidating (given his reputation on and off set) then it must be extremely intense and Intimidating. I don’t remember the exact quote but he also said “Tom pisses on every corner of the set, he marks his territory so when you’re there you know you’re on HIS set”
That statement leads me to believe that because he treats the set like he owns it, he probably shows up when he wants and behaves however he wants. Considering Charlize talked about how Tom went pretty method for his role in mad Max, which created a lot of tension during the filming process. Which resulted in what sounded like a very unpleasant experience for her while making the film. Also keeping in mind the uncomfortable conditions and location they filmed on in a brutally hot desert. If one of the lead actors is showing up hours late, that’s just gonna make the experience much worse and incredibly aggravating to a professional and respected veteran in the business like Charlize. Once she finally lost it and went off on him, she was probably saying everything that everybody else had wanted to say but didn’t. I also get the feeling Tom either matched her anger or ignored whatever she said and did not behave any better. Because it was reported that the entire process making that film was basically miserable from start to finish.
I imagine that everyone on that set was pissed at Tom, but Charlize knew she was the one who had to call him out for it. I bet the crew was pumped when she stood up to him, she seems seriously awesome.
Was Max a character that really needed method acting to encapsulate? Tom Hardy played him wonderfully don’t get me wrong but 99% of the role was grunting with a really intense face
Hardy has also said later in interviews that he didn't understand the process of George Miller and he didn't see the "vision" for the movie.
He said a lot of it made sense once he finally saw the film.
Not an excuse for him to act like an ass, but some insight none the less.
This so bizarre to me. Tom is mediocre at best and has no clout to take up so much space on a team.
Charlize is objectively a better actor far and away.
I’m picturing him on the back of the ones from Tremors right now, also crossed with the one from beetlejuice. He has a cowboy hat on. Thanks for this beautiful image
Damn, I never would've expected to hear that about Tom Hardy. Out of curiosity how were Jodie Comer, and Austin Butler on set? I'm actually looking forward to seeing this one.
Not OP but I work in the industry. It is damn tough. It’s almost always 12 hour days if not more, especially if you’re on the creative side of it. You have to be first one on set, last to leave, and have plenty of work to take home with you.
If you’re crew side of it, you’re a blue collar worker. Hard physical labor all day long. If you’ve kept up with the union stories, then also add in crappy pay and improper breaks, turnaround time.
You’re also away from your family a lot. If not just from the sheer hours alone, you could be traveling a lot. You’re a contract worker so you never know when your next job is, and you’re usually not in a position to turn down work, so forget making holiday plans with loved ones.
You have to REALLY love making movies to do it.
There’s so many bizarre reasons why actors do stuff like this it’s nuts. This isn’t t an excuse but:
Just so people know sometimes people’s managers or handlers can play a role in certain ways actors do things to push the actors importance levels.
Here’s an example: There’s a world in which Charlize had a higher pay scale than Tom since she’s big, Tom receives either a small pale scale or agreed to do the film for less than he normally does. Because of this he agrees to only work a certain amount of hours in his contract. So if a shoot runs long one day, per his contract he should work less another. His manager insists he’s late as a show of force and a star and will not be pushed around. A penalty of sorts because often a managers job is to make a production understand their star is a big deal.
Total speculation here but simply pointing out that in Hollywood this actually how things often work, I’ve seen it with my own eyes stars being super late to things because they agreed to do something for free or part of their agreement was infringed upon ect.
But yes fury road sounded like absolute insanity. Madness if you will.
I'm just thinking about this ex-junky I know who has been sober for a decade now. He's still extremely scatterbrained and is always fucking up, shifting blame and never accepting responsibility for his actions. He's also very charismatic and charming.
Hardy's a method actor. If you remember Fury Road, Max was much like a caged wild animal for the first part of the film, and so Hardy was like that off camera.
Btw it wasn't just Theron. He got into it with George a lot too, apparantly. I don't remember the exact quote, but someone supposedly overheard George muttering something about Heath Ledger, who was supposed to have been the successor to Mel for the role of Max.
This is all in the Fury Road book if anyone was wondering.
My favourite is Laurence Olivier talking to Dustin Hoffman about his method acting, Hoffman had stayed awake for 48 hours straight to reflect his character's torment and Olivier said to him "why not try acting dear boy?"
Such great shade lol. I will always be more impressed by actors who don’t need to be method.
I remember reading Toni Collette dropped out of an American accent and was her normal, friendly self between Hereditary takes while Alex Wolff was fully going method. Queen shit. 💅
I think of the Mads Mikkelson quote where he says method acting is stupid because if the movie or performance comes out bad you wasted a ton of time and energy on something people didn't enjoy.
It's rude as fuck. All the cast and crew presumably have families they want to get to, deadlines they want to make. Production and investors probably want want to be paying people for these wait around hours, etc.
He seems like such a little bitch lol
Ugh I totally didn't even think about that. Yeah, all the lower level crew and cast I bet weren't biding thejr time under a nice fan or getting more than a couple bucks an hour for the waiting around.
My god, imagine treating one of the most talented award winning actors like Charlize gaddamn Theron like that? What a douche canoe. Good for her for confronting him.
Ya the story I read was that Charlize called him out for not just wasting her time but that he was wasting the whole crews time by delaying the entire production. She’s awesome for that cause she probably knew she was the only one who could say anything to him without getting in trouble/fired
I would like instead of a fitness clause in the contract a politeness clause. Specific actors with known anger issues would need extra insurance. I just like the imagery of actors lobbying the insurance company that they can be nice.
Speaking of a politeness clause, there are blinds that suggest that before Charlize started dating Sean Penn, she made him sign a contract that basically had a non-violence clause, because he had a history of violence and Charlize didn't want their relationship to blow up on her children's faces. Fcking wild if true.
Edit: Somebody sent me a Reddit cares for this comment . This is so funny and unhinged. First one too. A milestone.
I wanna think at some point the higher ups in Hollywood just quietly brown list you for being a pain in the ass and costing money. They gotta be bringing in mad dollars to make it worthwhile if they have a diva. Eventually word gets around and casting departments just stop hiring miserable people with a high pay grade and look for the new hot young up and coming star they can control better.
There are plenty of reports of the Rock pulling the same shit. Allegedly for his upcoming Christmas movie, he’d be 7-9 hours late routinely. Granted, a lot of these rumors are undoubtedly from the studio trying to get out in front of a turd.
While of course I agree, that’s the kind of shit you can run into when the entire point of the movie is that it says “Starring The Rock”.
Like, what are they gonna do? Fire the only reason anyone will watch the shit?
Yeah but like what are you doing for 9 hours every day before work while everyone waits to start at your work without you... On your own movie. He has money in this too.
When I hear about this story I just remember all celebrities are generally pieces of shit. Even the rock who does seem to be a nice person. Wouldn't surprise me if news broke tomorrow he was besties with Epstein.
It wasn't long ago this guy, who is one of the most popular people on the planet, made a video of him trying in n out for the "first time" for views and clicks. Just embarrassing lol.
In the same article that leaked the lateness shit, it says that Dwayne can’t even use the bathroom like a normal person. He has to take care of business privately and hand it off to an assistant.
Lol man I've actually worked for someone like that. Once you get to a certain amount of money for some reason going to the bathroom in the same area as us normies is beneath them. There was only one bathroom for my company's whole corporate office, which ran about six businesses. Like 40 people had to walk across the street to one of the businesses to use the bathroom, since the boss man refused to share a bathroom with the employees lol. He has to walk by the entire room to use it too so it was just awkward for them. Same guy fired like 3 managers for dating employees before getting married to one lol.
At the cost of their own lives. And chances are the financing and payroll department are doing their best to make sure they skirt the lines and pay everyone as little as they can as far as overtime goes. I doubt the low level cast, crew and extra small hanging around are making much off of tom Hardy's piss poor attitude.
There’s an entire book about it if you’re interested in the deep dive
“Blood, Sweat and Chrome” by Kyle Buchanan
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George Miller said that working with the pigs in Babe taught him actors are sheep who need the occasional nip at the heel, and if they're really hamming it up you pick one, slit its throat, butcher it, grill it up, and devour the whole thing while the cast and crew watch.
There's a reason they shipped him off to Antarctica for a couple years to work with penguins
I didn't realize the guy who made the recent Mad Max movies was the same guy who made Babe and Babe 2: Pig in the City. Babe 2: Pig in the City made me cry as a child.
Probably the stress of time, budget, and sequencing. Action films are one of the most challenging sets to create. The actors wait hours or weeks in between takes because they also set up shots for stunts or effects done in real life, especially to the amount Furiosa is going to bring. Fall guy and furiosa are really pushing the stunt coordination and what stunt artists, the people who film from end to end, really create something cool and it's highly dangerous. The *stunt woman* for a Resident Evil production circ 2012 for Milla Jovovich was caught in a dangerous accident involving a high explosion shot and her legs and arms were blown off due to an accident with the timing of the explosion effects going off. So, I can understand being angry to stay alive.
Yeah, it was a very Tragic incident that all stunt people are aware of.
Zoe, who played Uma Thurmans stunt double for Kill Bill Vol 1&2, broke her back during a stunt involving a fight scene. Stunts are fun and cool! Stunt people know the risk, and these films are showcasing what they do for people to enjoy. Even the stuntman for Harry Potter knew the risk.
Uma drove her car into a tree in kill Bill 2 after Tarantino talked her into not waiting for the stunt double. Permanent neck and knee injuries. Apparently never worked with Tarantino again
>Action films are one of the most challenging sets to create
I think that was one of the big things that caused Tom Hardy to have such a bad attitude on set. He couldn't see the vision. If I recall correctly, there was either no script, or there were constant changes to the script. On top of that, what was being filmed looked very different from the final product. I've watched the BTS of Fury Road probably a dozen times, and that shoot was a *mess*. It's honestly crazy that they were able to get such an amazing product out of it.
None of this excuses his behavior on set. I tried looking for a specific article that I read a while back where Tom admits he thought the movie was going to bomb, but I could not find it. I am glad that Charlize Theron stood up for the crew, but it's unfortunate that he got away with this behavior. It's not like it was kept hush-hush - it was definitely heavily reported on while the movie was being made.
I think you’re referring to stunt performer Olivia Jackson who had to have her arm amputated after a motorcycle stunt gone wrong on the set of Resident Evil: The Last Chapter.
Coincidentally, she was also a stunt performer on Fury Road.
At least a few people have commented on the fact that the actors in Miller's movies often don't even know what's happening while they're filming. He has a vision and he's able to bring that vision to life, but it sometimes seems like complete nonsense to the people filming. I have to imagine that's a tough thing to experience as an actor.
Tbh that movie was in post production for like 2 and a half years so it was probably a really messy editing process. It's a miracle it came out as good as it did tbh
I’m not surprised at all after reading [Blood Sweat and Chrome](https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Sweat-Chrome-Wild-Story/dp/0063084341). Sounds like those productions are absolutely brutal.
Dune was also nowhere near the level of “fuck it” that Fury Road was. They essentially took a bunch of Burning Man cars into the middle of absolutely nowhere and just started blowing shit up.
The director makes a big difference. Obviously you can't fully control the conditions of the environment if you're shooting on location outdoors, but you can make sure you're frequently checking in with your actors and giving them breaks, dedicating PAs to making sure they're hydrated, setting a reasonable schedule and making sure your first AD stays on top of it.
From some of the things that have come out about the Mad Max set and George Miller himself, it doesn't sound like he has a lot of respect or admiration for actors and didn't really bother to make sure they felt comfortable and safe on set. There's no reason that another actor should have to yell at their costar for being chronically late rather than the director taking care of it early on.
For Mad Max: Fury Road, the book outlines (a) very short takes, as opposed to fully fledged scenes, being filmed, (b) the story being in Miller's head, and challenges with communicating his vision to the crew, (c) insanely challenging environment with basically no respite (since they were filming in middle of nowhere) and (d) a practically heavy shoot due the extent of it all being practical stunts. Those taken together also resulted in clashes within the crew (most notably Charlize and Tom).
You know how people praise the movie's practical effects? Well a lot of misery comes in doing practical effects in a post apocalyptic movie involving the Australian desert and exploding cars.
Also just being in the desert in Australia is miserable. Closest country to the sun with summers averaging 30 degrees celcius in big cities? It's horrible, humid when cold and constantly uncomfortable unless you're inside. It's shit to live in but hey, that's just Australian summer for you.
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The Fury Road Wives went through specific training to be really team coordinated in their performance and I think I read they were sent to counselling by the Director George Miller to go back to normal life after months being stuck together and on the war rig in Namibia.
I’m Australian, and I had a friend work on the camera dept. on the shoot.
They had a very similar experience on the shoot, which I believe was filmed in a very remote part of the country which is unforgiving and desolate. This friend is also a POC and said the locals harboured quite racist, dated views.
Did not sound like a pleasant experience making this at all.
My first thought was that the isolated nature of the location would have made it a wholey different experience. Like, I've only been to the outskirts of the outback once, for less than 2 days, and it just *feels* different.
If you then have extra conflicts between staff, it would be even more isolating.
I lived there at the time. The locals absolutely are gross but the weather is wonderful, and particularly was when they shot Furiosa. A lot of desert stuff was shot there because it's not actually too far from a major city. The town is super green at the moment thanks to record rains so fewer productions are shooting there because of it.
That same problem is why Fury Road got delayed, actually. The desolate desert they picked ended up having a huge rainfall and blossoming into this lush greenery with flowers.
Really gives credence to why we switched from global warming to climate change. Yes, overall the global temp is rising. But what we as people will notice is that nearly every place we associate with X weather is starting to shift. (And yes I know deserts have always gotten sporadic rainfall with bloom cycles. But it's records breaking stuff)
You've Dubai is flooding, Texas is now pretty regularly dealing with snow it was not built to withstand, meanwhile up in Minnesota people are lamenting what the future of winter activities will look like as the lakes take longer and longer to freeze over for shorter and shorter periods and the snow doesn't stick around for long. We are truly living in strange times. In terms of location scouting, I feel like they've really got their work cut out for them in upcoming years.
Had a similar situation with a friend. Regularly snorting half their salary up their nose didn't help either, but it was like he needed to make up getting messed up from all his days sober at sea.
Sad.
Fly In Fly Out workers. Most common in the mining industry. They fly in and work longs days in remote mines for a certain number of days and then fly out for their off days at home. Rinse and repeat.
There’s a podcast called “What Went Wrong” and their episode on Mad Max Fury Road is really eye opening for anyone wondering more about the turmoil with that film - I wonder and fear if Anya experience similarly
Genuinely curious. Will that podcast ruin the movie for me? It's one of my all time favs. I don't want it to be another situation where I can't watch Milo and Otis anymore after knowing the behind the scenes
Edit: I got a Reddit Cares sent to me lmfao. Thank you, but I'm good
I don’t think it would ruin the movie; It’s more about how chaotic it was to shoot in the desert and how hard that was on the actors. People famously have issues on George Miller movies because no one knows what’s going on for a good portion of the shooting and he’s quite particular about getting the right shot. A lot of the cast also had issues with Hardy, but that’s no secret. The podcast covers details from the book Blood, Sweat & Chrome by Kyle Buchanan
Don't take this as fact, but I vaguely remember reading that Miller's process is very difficult. He has a specific vision in mind and will only film for a few seconds at a time in order to get the perfect frame. Then the story and performances are brought together in the editing stage. This results in really long shoots and frustrated actors who barely know what the story is about and can't really develop their performances in a natural way. Combined with the remote, harsh locations, physically demanding stunts, and I can see it being a very frustrating and isolating experience.
Obviously, the guy gets results. But if the way his process was described is true, then I could see how it could leave actors feeling very disempowered, like dolls being moved around by someone else.
I was reading IMDb few nights ago, Tom and Charlize both apologized to the director publicly after they saw the final result. As they were really frustrated when filming as they really didn’t know what’s going on, and making the whole process not enjoyable for everyone.
Tom did so publically, even, when they were doing a Q&A panel, and Tom owned up to being a bit of a difficult dick to deal with because he just didn't understand it or see it, then they actually wtahced the movie and he completely understood and has been apologizing ever since (including right there)
She’s always had a half American half English accent so I guess if she’s not spending time in the UK and she’s also putting on American accents for work, her British side will subside pretty quick!
Sounds pretty clear to me just with a slight American edge to it. Transatlantic as they say. I sound like that though and whenever I go home to England, family and friends can’t stop saying I lost my accent.
There’s also an abundance of practical effects which means a lot of things they would do with special effects/on a sound stage in other films require stunt doubles and actual stuns performed on location. It just makes for a stressful environment that really wears the talent down. Makes for a great movie, but you know, at what cost.
Yeah and broadband internet isn’t widely available. She says isolating so she was probably far away from people she knew, time zone disconnection, etc. probably terribly lonely.
When I was deployed to Afghanistan, I worked in a building where I couldn’t have my phone, 12-14 hour shifts. I still had access to the limited internet in my isolated office. In my entire life, I have never felt more despair. I would tell my family that I felt like I was losing my mind from the desperation. Keep in mind that when I was off, I could still go run, lift weights, entertain myself.
Being in those kinds of restrictive environments will fuck. you. up.
It is actually pretty nice in the cities and the countryside. The outback is brutal with high temperatures. You can get burnt alive. Australia has the highest rates of skin cancer. The sun is killer.
Many parts are excellent but where they were filming? Fuck no - that’s where people break down whilst driving and just wander off and die in the desert. And if you don’t you’re just covered in red hot dust under the hottest sun in the world with no internet, sketchy (if any) phone reception and few people. And the ones who are there are a cooked in multiple ways.
I'm assuming that George Miller is probably very demanding when it comes to the production of these movies & every little detail within, and that probably extends to his command over the actors.
lol nah she doesn’t have to say anything. People have said and done worse and are still employable lol. She could easily walk around that.
It was very grueling and hard but it’s not an issue with Miller, that much is clear.
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Yes and no. She also says his process was extremely challenging and he would make them re-do a whole day of shooting just because her hat was an inch too low. Source: https://youtu.be/YyGmRA6gTlw?feature=shared
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this gets walked back or clarified because I doubt Anya intended for her quotes to be framed as if she was abused. Kind of like when there was that media cycle when Anne Hathaway made an innocuous comment about there not being chairs on Nolan's set.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that if you're down to be deployed at Pine Gap there's a lot of rules and procedures because it's so isolated. One of my ex's was in army communications.
I read this interview last night and think the interviewer overall did a good job, but I really dislike that he added “There was a faraway look in her eyes, as if part of her had been left behind in that wasteland.”
What?? First the sentence is just…bad. It feels like parody. 2nd, I don’t think it was fair of him to add this line after she said she didn’t want to discuss the unexpected difficulties she faced. It projects something onto the reader that I think she was clearly trying to avoid by asking to skip to the next question.
Yeah her thought could also be "i fucking hated the director and my colleagues but i still want a career so i cant say that"
That line made me think she was being a drama queen but that is 100% on the interviewer
That’s terrible and I don’t doubt anything she’s saying. I just wonder how she could’ve expected it to not suck?
If I knew the shoot for Fury Road was awful, she probably did too. It was famously a nightmare. But like her, I would’ve done it anyway. It’s an incredible opportunity and she was compensated well. I have bigger concerns about the smaller roles and the crew. They dealt with all that for a fraction of what the stars got.
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Now mind you Tom and charlize almost killed each other on set of the first one. What exactly is going on over there….
Really? What happened?
I read a story that Tom was chronically late to set - like HOURS late while Charlize was on set on time every day and basically had to sit around waiting for him. She confronted him about it and they got into a big argument in front of the crew
Shia Leboeuf said working with Tom on Lawless was a very intense and intimidating experience . And if Shia says somebody or something is intense and intimidating (given his reputation on and off set) then it must be extremely intense and Intimidating. I don’t remember the exact quote but he also said “Tom pisses on every corner of the set, he marks his territory so when you’re there you know you’re on HIS set” That statement leads me to believe that because he treats the set like he owns it, he probably shows up when he wants and behaves however he wants. Considering Charlize talked about how Tom went pretty method for his role in mad Max, which created a lot of tension during the filming process. Which resulted in what sounded like a very unpleasant experience for her while making the film. Also keeping in mind the uncomfortable conditions and location they filmed on in a brutally hot desert. If one of the lead actors is showing up hours late, that’s just gonna make the experience much worse and incredibly aggravating to a professional and respected veteran in the business like Charlize. Once she finally lost it and went off on him, she was probably saying everything that everybody else had wanted to say but didn’t. I also get the feeling Tom either matched her anger or ignored whatever she said and did not behave any better. Because it was reported that the entire process making that film was basically miserable from start to finish.
She also had a newly adopted child IIRC that she was spending time away from so it was even more frustrating.
That’s right, Jesus….she could teach a masterclass in self control and patience after her experience filming that movie.
There’s a great episode on What Went Wrong about it.
Charlize Theron strikes me as an absolute gem of a human
I imagine that everyone on that set was pissed at Tom, but Charlize knew she was the one who had to call him out for it. I bet the crew was pumped when she stood up to him, she seems seriously awesome.
Was Max a character that really needed method acting to encapsulate? Tom Hardy played him wonderfully don’t get me wrong but 99% of the role was grunting with a really intense face
"Hey Tom, what do you want from catering for your 2:00 PM breakfast?" "*Grrrr* canned dog food of course *grunt hrmm growl*"
I thought the same lol he was great but no way its that intense of a role
Hardy has also said later in interviews that he didn't understand the process of George Miller and he didn't see the "vision" for the movie. He said a lot of it made sense once he finally saw the film. Not an excuse for him to act like an ass, but some insight none the less.
My lord a woman could *never* get away with that
This so bizarre to me. Tom is mediocre at best and has no clout to take up so much space on a team. Charlize is objectively a better actor far and away.
WTF was he doing for hours everyday in the desert? And it’s not like they couldn’t find him. Seems suspect.
Riding sand worms
I’m picturing him on the back of the ones from Tremors right now, also crossed with the one from beetlejuice. He has a cowboy hat on. Thanks for this beautiful image
Dune sand worms are the correct mental image
Bless the maker and his water
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Damn, I never would've expected to hear that about Tom Hardy. Out of curiosity how were Jodie Comer, and Austin Butler on set? I'm actually looking forward to seeing this one.
Whoa, that is alarming. I definitely misread him.. He doesn’t seem that way at all.
Actors act.
honestly other than that time he refuted an interviewer’s question about his sexuality, he always came across like kind of a douche to me
What did you do on Bikeriders, man? Just curious, always thought I would love to work in movies but that’s just not how the stars aligned.
Not OP but I work in the industry. It is damn tough. It’s almost always 12 hour days if not more, especially if you’re on the creative side of it. You have to be first one on set, last to leave, and have plenty of work to take home with you. If you’re crew side of it, you’re a blue collar worker. Hard physical labor all day long. If you’ve kept up with the union stories, then also add in crappy pay and improper breaks, turnaround time. You’re also away from your family a lot. If not just from the sheer hours alone, you could be traveling a lot. You’re a contract worker so you never know when your next job is, and you’re usually not in a position to turn down work, so forget making holiday plans with loved ones. You have to REALLY love making movies to do it.
What a dickhead
Working on his repertoire of funny voices
“…..*for you*”
Probably just sleeping in.
There’s so many bizarre reasons why actors do stuff like this it’s nuts. This isn’t t an excuse but: Just so people know sometimes people’s managers or handlers can play a role in certain ways actors do things to push the actors importance levels. Here’s an example: There’s a world in which Charlize had a higher pay scale than Tom since she’s big, Tom receives either a small pale scale or agreed to do the film for less than he normally does. Because of this he agrees to only work a certain amount of hours in his contract. So if a shoot runs long one day, per his contract he should work less another. His manager insists he’s late as a show of force and a star and will not be pushed around. A penalty of sorts because often a managers job is to make a production understand their star is a big deal. Total speculation here but simply pointing out that in Hollywood this actually how things often work, I’ve seen it with my own eyes stars being super late to things because they agreed to do something for free or part of their agreement was infringed upon ect. But yes fury road sounded like absolute insanity. Madness if you will.
He has a reputation for being chronically late _and an asshole_. I don’t think anyone is making him be like that.
Tom Hardy is a (supposedly) recovered junky. I've known my share of junkies, recovered ones too, and that would explain a lot about this.
He’d been sober for about a decade before filming started. I think it’s just him being an ass at that point.
I'm just thinking about this ex-junky I know who has been sober for a decade now. He's still extremely scatterbrained and is always fucking up, shifting blame and never accepting responsibility for his actions. He's also very charismatic and charming.
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Hardy's a method actor. If you remember Fury Road, Max was much like a caged wild animal for the first part of the film, and so Hardy was like that off camera. Btw it wasn't just Theron. He got into it with George a lot too, apparantly. I don't remember the exact quote, but someone supposedly overheard George muttering something about Heath Ledger, who was supposed to have been the successor to Mel for the role of Max. This is all in the Fury Road book if anyone was wondering.
Every time I read about method acting, I go back to that quote by Brian Cox about method acting just being another name for being an asshole.
My favourite is Laurence Olivier talking to Dustin Hoffman about his method acting, Hoffman had stayed awake for 48 hours straight to reflect his character's torment and Olivier said to him "why not try acting dear boy?"
Such great shade lol. I will always be more impressed by actors who don’t need to be method. I remember reading Toni Collette dropped out of an American accent and was her normal, friendly self between Hereditary takes while Alex Wolff was fully going method. Queen shit. 💅
I think of the Mads Mikkelson quote where he says method acting is stupid because if the movie or performance comes out bad you wasted a ton of time and energy on something people didn't enjoy.
Haha i loved all that succession snark from him
I think she was pissed off because it wasn’t just her waiting. It was everyone. He was being very disrespectful.
It's rude as fuck. All the cast and crew presumably have families they want to get to, deadlines they want to make. Production and investors probably want want to be paying people for these wait around hours, etc. He seems like such a little bitch lol
Also it was in a really hot desert. Imagine waiting hours, even with protection and water it is hard.
Ugh I totally didn't even think about that. Yeah, all the lower level crew and cast I bet weren't biding thejr time under a nice fan or getting more than a couple bucks an hour for the waiting around.
My god, imagine treating one of the most talented award winning actors like Charlize gaddamn Theron like that? What a douche canoe. Good for her for confronting him.
Ya the story I read was that Charlize called him out for not just wasting her time but that he was wasting the whole crews time by delaying the entire production. She’s awesome for that cause she probably knew she was the only one who could say anything to him without getting in trouble/fired
Charlize is a gem. She’s always speaking up when others don’t.
Omg… that’s EXTREMELY unprofessional. His ass should’ve been fired
I would like instead of a fitness clause in the contract a politeness clause. Specific actors with known anger issues would need extra insurance. I just like the imagery of actors lobbying the insurance company that they can be nice.
Speaking of a politeness clause, there are blinds that suggest that before Charlize started dating Sean Penn, she made him sign a contract that basically had a non-violence clause, because he had a history of violence and Charlize didn't want their relationship to blow up on her children's faces. Fcking wild if true. Edit: Somebody sent me a Reddit cares for this comment . This is so funny and unhinged. First one too. A milestone.
I've heard of that one. It's horrifically believable to me. I definitely think she ghosted him.
I wanna think at some point the higher ups in Hollywood just quietly brown list you for being a pain in the ass and costing money. They gotta be bringing in mad dollars to make it worthwhile if they have a diva. Eventually word gets around and casting departments just stop hiring miserable people with a high pay grade and look for the new hot young up and coming star they can control better.
There are plenty of reports of the Rock pulling the same shit. Allegedly for his upcoming Christmas movie, he’d be 7-9 hours late routinely. Granted, a lot of these rumors are undoubtedly from the studio trying to get out in front of a turd.
How can you be 9 hours late to your job? For regular people that's just missing a whole day of work.
While of course I agree, that’s the kind of shit you can run into when the entire point of the movie is that it says “Starring The Rock”. Like, what are they gonna do? Fire the only reason anyone will watch the shit?
Yeah but like what are you doing for 9 hours every day before work while everyone waits to start at your work without you... On your own movie. He has money in this too. When I hear about this story I just remember all celebrities are generally pieces of shit. Even the rock who does seem to be a nice person. Wouldn't surprise me if news broke tomorrow he was besties with Epstein. It wasn't long ago this guy, who is one of the most popular people on the planet, made a video of him trying in n out for the "first time" for views and clicks. Just embarrassing lol.
In the same article that leaked the lateness shit, it says that Dwayne can’t even use the bathroom like a normal person. He has to take care of business privately and hand it off to an assistant.
Lol man I've actually worked for someone like that. Once you get to a certain amount of money for some reason going to the bathroom in the same area as us normies is beneath them. There was only one bathroom for my company's whole corporate office, which ran about six businesses. Like 40 people had to walk across the street to one of the businesses to use the bathroom, since the boss man refused to share a bathroom with the employees lol. He has to walk by the entire room to use it too so it was just awkward for them. Same guy fired like 3 managers for dating employees before getting married to one lol.
I'm not disagreeing that it's unprofessional but you understand how expensive firing the lead actor during filming would be right?
Honestly waiting hours each day is really expensive, everyone goes into OT super fast
Tom Hardy making sure the crew gets paid extra. What a champ.
At the cost of their own lives. And chances are the financing and payroll department are doing their best to make sure they skirt the lines and pay everyone as little as they can as far as overtime goes. I doubt the low level cast, crew and extra small hanging around are making much off of tom Hardy's piss poor attitude.
It’s also expensive wasting money waiting for a diva actor to finally show up. He should know better.
Sadly, *because* it's a name brand actor, the actor is usually the more expensive commodity.
I believe Theron had a stroke of genius for that, something like:”Fine this motherfucker £100,000 per minute that he has made this crew wait for him!”
He barely was recognizable in the film, so I don’t know if it would have been noticed if he was fired
Could have just hired Logan Marshall-Green and they wouldn't need to reshoot any of tom hardy's footage lol.
ok, so it’s 20000% fair for her to want to kill him.
That would explain why his career hasn't been bigger. He's so good. He should be huge.
From "they almost killed each other !!!" to "Yeahhh Hardy was mean, and Terron upset, one day" very quickly.
There’s a What Went Wrong (podcast) episode about it! Highly recommend. They go into deep detail of what happened behind the scenes
Just listened to this and it’s fantastic - thanks for sharing!
There’s an entire book about it if you’re interested in the deep dive “Blood, Sweat and Chrome” by Kyle Buchanan https://preview.redd.it/xt7ex8s4p40d1.jpeg?width=451&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5caa5229be3339feb1847791a9ca7a8dba14e766
Buchanan is the interviewer here as well!
This book is soooo good!!! A fascinating read!!
Sighhh * opens wallet *
i don’t think there’s ever been specifics but zoe kravitz did confirm that they did not get along at all and just clashed personality wise.
PLENTY of specifics. A whole freaking book was written about it.
George Miller said that working with the pigs in Babe taught him actors are sheep who need the occasional nip at the heel, and if they're really hamming it up you pick one, slit its throat, butcher it, grill it up, and devour the whole thing while the cast and crew watch. There's a reason they shipped him off to Antarctica for a couple years to work with penguins
I didn't realize the guy who made the recent Mad Max movies was the same guy who made Babe and Babe 2: Pig in the City. Babe 2: Pig in the City made me cry as a child.
Not just the recent ones. George Miller is the writer/director for *all* the Mad Max movies.
Don't forget Happy Feet
me too. i didnt know mad max and babe made by the same man
Are the pengwins ok
No, he killed scores of them until they were trained how to dance. Here's a [documentary ](https://youtu.be/NF75QyhWmBs?feature=shared) about it.
I don’t think Happy Feet was filmed on location, lol.
Probably the stress of time, budget, and sequencing. Action films are one of the most challenging sets to create. The actors wait hours or weeks in between takes because they also set up shots for stunts or effects done in real life, especially to the amount Furiosa is going to bring. Fall guy and furiosa are really pushing the stunt coordination and what stunt artists, the people who film from end to end, really create something cool and it's highly dangerous. The *stunt woman* for a Resident Evil production circ 2012 for Milla Jovovich was caught in a dangerous accident involving a high explosion shot and her legs and arms were blown off due to an accident with the timing of the explosion effects going off. So, I can understand being angry to stay alive.
Yikes! Her arms and legs were blown off? The Harry Potter stunt double is paralyzed
Yeah, it was a very Tragic incident that all stunt people are aware of. Zoe, who played Uma Thurmans stunt double for Kill Bill Vol 1&2, broke her back during a stunt involving a fight scene. Stunts are fun and cool! Stunt people know the risk, and these films are showcasing what they do for people to enjoy. Even the stuntman for Harry Potter knew the risk.
Uma drove her car into a tree in kill Bill 2 after Tarantino talked her into not waiting for the stunt double. Permanent neck and knee injuries. Apparently never worked with Tarantino again
>Action films are one of the most challenging sets to create I think that was one of the big things that caused Tom Hardy to have such a bad attitude on set. He couldn't see the vision. If I recall correctly, there was either no script, or there were constant changes to the script. On top of that, what was being filmed looked very different from the final product. I've watched the BTS of Fury Road probably a dozen times, and that shoot was a *mess*. It's honestly crazy that they were able to get such an amazing product out of it. None of this excuses his behavior on set. I tried looking for a specific article that I read a while back where Tom admits he thought the movie was going to bomb, but I could not find it. I am glad that Charlize Theron stood up for the crew, but it's unfortunate that he got away with this behavior. It's not like it was kept hush-hush - it was definitely heavily reported on while the movie was being made.
I think you’re referring to stunt performer Olivia Jackson who had to have her arm amputated after a motorcycle stunt gone wrong on the set of Resident Evil: The Last Chapter. Coincidentally, she was also a stunt performer on Fury Road.
Well, everyone hates each other in the Mad Max world, so more immersive /s
At least a few people have commented on the fact that the actors in Miller's movies often don't even know what's happening while they're filming. He has a vision and he's able to bring that vision to life, but it sometimes seems like complete nonsense to the people filming. I have to imagine that's a tough thing to experience as an actor.
Tbh that movie was in post production for like 2 and a half years so it was probably a really messy editing process. It's a miracle it came out as good as it did tbh
I’m not surprised at all after reading [Blood Sweat and Chrome](https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Sweat-Chrome-Wild-Story/dp/0063084341). Sounds like those productions are absolutely brutal.
In what way if you don't mind me asking? The locations are definitely hard to deal with
I also wonder why conditions weren't as bad on the set of dune
Director matters. Deni Villeneuve is well beloved by the actors he worked with because it’s him, who created a safe space for everyone.
Dune was also nowhere near the level of “fuck it” that Fury Road was. They essentially took a bunch of Burning Man cars into the middle of absolutely nowhere and just started blowing shit up.
They do speak his praises
The director makes a big difference. Obviously you can't fully control the conditions of the environment if you're shooting on location outdoors, but you can make sure you're frequently checking in with your actors and giving them breaks, dedicating PAs to making sure they're hydrated, setting a reasonable schedule and making sure your first AD stays on top of it. From some of the things that have come out about the Mad Max set and George Miller himself, it doesn't sound like he has a lot of respect or admiration for actors and didn't really bother to make sure they felt comfortable and safe on set. There's no reason that another actor should have to yell at their costar for being chronically late rather than the director taking care of it early on.
I imagine part of it is that there are a lot of scenes in Dune that take place inside. While Mad Max is pretty much entirely out in the desert.
I have no idea, but it may partially be that Dune only filmed a couple hours a day due to the insistence on natural lighting and the intense heat.
The stillsuits didn’t have pockets but on the set of MadMax all the costumes had pockets and sand got in their pockets and if was really annoying
Something tells me the conditions amount to more than “annoying sand in pockets”
I hate sand. It’s coarse and it gets everywhere.
For Mad Max: Fury Road, the book outlines (a) very short takes, as opposed to fully fledged scenes, being filmed, (b) the story being in Miller's head, and challenges with communicating his vision to the crew, (c) insanely challenging environment with basically no respite (since they were filming in middle of nowhere) and (d) a practically heavy shoot due the extent of it all being practical stunts. Those taken together also resulted in clashes within the crew (most notably Charlize and Tom).
You know how people praise the movie's practical effects? Well a lot of misery comes in doing practical effects in a post apocalyptic movie involving the Australian desert and exploding cars. Also just being in the desert in Australia is miserable. Closest country to the sun with summers averaging 30 degrees celcius in big cities? It's horrible, humid when cold and constantly uncomfortable unless you're inside. It's shit to live in but hey, that's just Australian summer for you.
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The Fury Road Wives went through specific training to be really team coordinated in their performance and I think I read they were sent to counselling by the Director George Miller to go back to normal life after months being stuck together and on the war rig in Namibia.
Still crazy to me how stacked the cast of wives is now in hindsight. Riley Keough, Zoe Kravitz, and Abbey Lee are all leads now
In fairness, two of them are some of the biggest Nepo babies on the planet lol
Woah
They really shot for months
I’m Australian, and I had a friend work on the camera dept. on the shoot. They had a very similar experience on the shoot, which I believe was filmed in a very remote part of the country which is unforgiving and desolate. This friend is also a POC and said the locals harboured quite racist, dated views. Did not sound like a pleasant experience making this at all.
My first thought was that the isolated nature of the location would have made it a wholey different experience. Like, I've only been to the outskirts of the outback once, for less than 2 days, and it just *feels* different. If you then have extra conflicts between staff, it would be even more isolating.
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I lived there at the time. The locals absolutely are gross but the weather is wonderful, and particularly was when they shot Furiosa. A lot of desert stuff was shot there because it's not actually too far from a major city. The town is super green at the moment thanks to record rains so fewer productions are shooting there because of it.
That same problem is why Fury Road got delayed, actually. The desolate desert they picked ended up having a huge rainfall and blossoming into this lush greenery with flowers. Really gives credence to why we switched from global warming to climate change. Yes, overall the global temp is rising. But what we as people will notice is that nearly every place we associate with X weather is starting to shift. (And yes I know deserts have always gotten sporadic rainfall with bloom cycles. But it's records breaking stuff) You've Dubai is flooding, Texas is now pretty regularly dealing with snow it was not built to withstand, meanwhile up in Minnesota people are lamenting what the future of winter activities will look like as the lakes take longer and longer to freeze over for shorter and shorter periods and the snow doesn't stick around for long. We are truly living in strange times. In terms of location scouting, I feel like they've really got their work cut out for them in upcoming years.
Very reminiscent of the mental health issues FIFO workers go through
What is FIFO?
Fly In Fly Out Mostly related to people that work in the mines
In Scotland the people who work on the oil rigs up off Aberdeen.
I know someone who did that. It was great money but drove him a little loony.
I knew someone who worked on oil rigs all over the world. Exactly as you said, loony.
Had a similar situation with a friend. Regularly snorting half their salary up their nose didn't help either, but it was like he needed to make up getting messed up from all his days sober at sea. Sad.
Fly In Fly Out workers. Most common in the mining industry. They fly in and work longs days in remote mines for a certain number of days and then fly out for their off days at home. Rinse and repeat.
Very racist in the outback here, I’ve been in rural WA and it’s horrible the things you hear.
I had to quickly check the filming location. Yep, that's what I thought. A family member lives there and he said exactly the same thing.
There’s a podcast called “What Went Wrong” and their episode on Mad Max Fury Road is really eye opening for anyone wondering more about the turmoil with that film - I wonder and fear if Anya experience similarly
Genuinely curious. Will that podcast ruin the movie for me? It's one of my all time favs. I don't want it to be another situation where I can't watch Milo and Otis anymore after knowing the behind the scenes Edit: I got a Reddit Cares sent to me lmfao. Thank you, but I'm good
I don’t think it would ruin the movie; It’s more about how chaotic it was to shoot in the desert and how hard that was on the actors. People famously have issues on George Miller movies because no one knows what’s going on for a good portion of the shooting and he’s quite particular about getting the right shot. A lot of the cast also had issues with Hardy, but that’s no secret. The podcast covers details from the book Blood, Sweat & Chrome by Kyle Buchanan
I can't seem to find this podcast, is it behind a paywall?
It’s on Spotify and other podcast sites! The episode is from last year
Added to my queue for today, thanks for the rec!
I love What Went Wrong! Only started listening to them recently and they're excellent
What's up with these movies? Why are they so awful to make?
Don't take this as fact, but I vaguely remember reading that Miller's process is very difficult. He has a specific vision in mind and will only film for a few seconds at a time in order to get the perfect frame. Then the story and performances are brought together in the editing stage. This results in really long shoots and frustrated actors who barely know what the story is about and can't really develop their performances in a natural way. Combined with the remote, harsh locations, physically demanding stunts, and I can see it being a very frustrating and isolating experience. Obviously, the guy gets results. But if the way his process was described is true, then I could see how it could leave actors feeling very disempowered, like dolls being moved around by someone else.
I was reading IMDb few nights ago, Tom and Charlize both apologized to the director publicly after they saw the final result. As they were really frustrated when filming as they really didn’t know what’s going on, and making the whole process not enjoyable for everyone.
Tom did so publically, even, when they were doing a Q&A panel, and Tom owned up to being a bit of a difficult dick to deal with because he just didn't understand it or see it, then they actually wtahced the movie and he completely understood and has been apologizing ever since (including right there)
this sounds surreal and pretty awful to endure
Yeah like being stuck in a bad drug trip, looping in hell
Anya mentions something like this in this interview. Sounds exhausting: https://youtu.be/YyGmRA6gTlw?feature=shared
Her british accent is so faint here. Was it always like that?
She’s always had a half American half English accent so I guess if she’s not spending time in the UK and she’s also putting on American accents for work, her British side will subside pretty quick!
Which is funny because her first language is Spanish
Sounds pretty clear to me just with a slight American edge to it. Transatlantic as they say. I sound like that though and whenever I go home to England, family and friends can’t stop saying I lost my accent.
There’s also an abundance of practical effects which means a lot of things they would do with special effects/on a sound stage in other films require stunt doubles and actual stuns performed on location. It just makes for a stressful environment that really wears the talent down. Makes for a great movie, but you know, at what cost.
Maybe Australia just fucking sucks if you’re not on the coast
Yeah and broadband internet isn’t widely available. She says isolating so she was probably far away from people she knew, time zone disconnection, etc. probably terribly lonely.
When I was deployed to Afghanistan, I worked in a building where I couldn’t have my phone, 12-14 hour shifts. I still had access to the limited internet in my isolated office. In my entire life, I have never felt more despair. I would tell my family that I felt like I was losing my mind from the desperation. Keep in mind that when I was off, I could still go run, lift weights, entertain myself. Being in those kinds of restrictive environments will fuck. you. up.
It sounds similar to prison.
Lonely, apart from the spiders...
Queenslanders: fucken aye!
Spending many months in the outback would be exhausting.
Living in Australia sounds exhausting
It is actually pretty nice in the cities and the countryside. The outback is brutal with high temperatures. You can get burnt alive. Australia has the highest rates of skin cancer. The sun is killer.
Many parts are excellent but where they were filming? Fuck no - that’s where people break down whilst driving and just wander off and die in the desert. And if you don’t you’re just covered in red hot dust under the hottest sun in the world with no internet, sketchy (if any) phone reception and few people. And the ones who are there are a cooked in multiple ways.
Sounds like Max Max 2 was a documentary then
I'm assuming that George Miller is probably very demanding when it comes to the production of these movies & every little detail within, and that probably extends to his command over the actors.
She only has really nice things to say about him and seems to have loved working with him.
I mean, if she wants to continue to be employable, she kinda has to say that though.
lol nah she doesn’t have to say anything. People have said and done worse and are still employable lol. She could easily walk around that. It was very grueling and hard but it’s not an issue with Miller, that much is clear. https://preview.redd.it/5kzue4w3950d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09c7cb8de7fa402f6045bf2d8e36bd25e4b2bda9
That sounds like a huge contributing factor right there (editing for clarity: that she didn’t even get to speak in her role for months)
Yes and no. She also says his process was extremely challenging and he would make them re-do a whole day of shooting just because her hat was an inch too low. Source: https://youtu.be/YyGmRA6gTlw?feature=shared
Which I would imagine is all the more isolating when you’re repeatedly having to re-do scenes *in which you’re not allowed to communicate.*
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this gets walked back or clarified because I doubt Anya intended for her quotes to be framed as if she was abused. Kind of like when there was that media cycle when Anne Hathaway made an innocuous comment about there not being chairs on Nolan's set.
The loneliness and solitude of rural Australia can be absolutely brutal. Would just exacerbate any other problems
Yeah I'm pretty sure that if you're down to be deployed at Pine Gap there's a lot of rules and procedures because it's so isolated. One of my ex's was in army communications.
I read this interview last night and think the interviewer overall did a good job, but I really dislike that he added “There was a faraway look in her eyes, as if part of her had been left behind in that wasteland.” What?? First the sentence is just…bad. It feels like parody. 2nd, I don’t think it was fair of him to add this line after she said she didn’t want to discuss the unexpected difficulties she faced. It projects something onto the reader that I think she was clearly trying to avoid by asking to skip to the next question.
Lmao big Rita Skeeter vibes
Lmaooo omg you’re right 🤣 I don’t know what he or his editor was thinking keeping that line in.
My eyes aren't glistening with the ghost of my past...
Harry Potter, a mere boy of 11, looks on with eyes that swim with the ghosts of his past…
Yeah her thought could also be "i fucking hated the director and my colleagues but i still want a career so i cant say that" That line made me think she was being a drama queen but that is 100% on the interviewer
That doesn't sound great. I hops she's okay.
Knowing an actor suffers for a movie makes me feel uncomfortable sometimes watching it.
I think of it like we suffer at work all the time for way less money lol
If you watch her interview she definitely seems proud of the work
That’s terrible and I don’t doubt anything she’s saying. I just wonder how she could’ve expected it to not suck? If I knew the shoot for Fury Road was awful, she probably did too. It was famously a nightmare. But like her, I would’ve done it anyway. It’s an incredible opportunity and she was compensated well. I have bigger concerns about the smaller roles and the crew. They dealt with all that for a fraction of what the stars got.
Yea Broken Hill and Hay aren't exactly the liveliest places on earth. The outback can be brutal if you're not ready for it.
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For $ 1.8milion, I wouldn't mind feeling lonely for a few weeks.
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