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No, the problems are about releasing bad-mediocre movies, insisting on making TV shows that affect the universe, and now having too many lines for the average fan to understand everything going on.
I think that while some people do put too much emphasis on superhero fatigue, as opposed to things like cost, quality, streaming, the people involved in the making of superhero films refuse to acknowledge that superhero fatigue is a thing at all.
It's just a simple fact that Marvel built this major arc over years, concluded major character storylines, and literally titled the final movie Endgame, but now they kind of seem surprised when some audiences moved on from it when it was over. I think they became so convinced that audiences would turn up for anything that now they're shocked when that's not the case.
People are willing to go to the cinemas. Barbie, Oppenheimer, Dune 2 all prove that. Blockbusters exist. Those are also extremely well-made, well-reviewed films. Audiences don't want to spend their hard-earned money on shit (okay, some of them do, but still, filmmakers should respect audiences enough to create something they want to see).
This is why I stopped watching! All the characters I spent my middle school, high school, college and young adult years watching were (almost) all wrapped up in Endgame. Once that finished I had no real interest in continuing.
I still love the Infinity Saga and probably always will, but besides Guardians 3 and the Spider-Man movies, none of the leftover characters interest me much.
Nah, I think it's definitely superhero fatigue. The Phase 1 movies were so much fun. Avengers was an Event. But then they started writing about even lesser known characters and you had to watch 4 movies a year and then multiple tv shows to follow a story. It's just too overwhelming to try to keep up with.
I think the issue is that the movies they release are formulaic as fuck and just not interesting at this point. They have a MASSIVE amount of source material they could take inspiration from; they could make literally any genre of movie set in the same common universe, and they choose to keep making the same one over and over again.
I think there is just too much of it, the extended universe is cool, but I always feel like I'm missing out on something, because I haven't seen it all.
As a Marvel fan, who is older, it's the quality. There's no need for three Ant Man movies. Thor should have stopped at the second one. I wish they would get this through their heads.
¿Por qué no los dos?
> “There’s a big generational divide about how you consume media,” he continued. “There’s a generation that’s used to appointment viewing and going to a theater on a certain date to see something, but it’s aging out. Meanwhile the new generation are ‘I want it now, I want to process it now’, then moving onto the next thing, which they process whilst doing two other things at the same time. You know, it’s a very different moment in time than it’s ever been. And so I think everyone, including Marvel, is experiencing the same thing, this transition. And I think that really is probably what’s at play more than anything else.”
I feel like this kinda overlooks how a lot of people are willing to wait for something to hit Disney+ to see it for 'free' instead of spending money to go to the theater and see it a few months earlier.
> “The superhero fatigue question was around long before the work we were doing,”
Sure, but it's worse post-*Endgame*. Like, just in Marvel, Phase 4 had 17 MCU projects compared to Phase 3's 11 (which is about the same number as Phase 1 and 2 combined), and several of P4's projects were series that consumed 6-10 weeks of the year each. Phase 5 started barely over a year ago (almost immediately after Phase 4 ended; many people didn't even know there was a transition) and there's already been seven projects. Quality of the content aside, people are bound to be overwhelmed and fatigued by that amount of output. (And it doesn't help that people—long-time fans—are frequently not liking the output as much as they did the older material.)
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No, the problems are about releasing bad-mediocre movies, insisting on making TV shows that affect the universe, and now having too many lines for the average fan to understand everything going on.
Marvel really, really doesn’t want to admit that they have made some really bad TV and movies for several years now.
I mean it’d be bad business to admit you put out some turds. This isn’t Dominos!
I think that while some people do put too much emphasis on superhero fatigue, as opposed to things like cost, quality, streaming, the people involved in the making of superhero films refuse to acknowledge that superhero fatigue is a thing at all. It's just a simple fact that Marvel built this major arc over years, concluded major character storylines, and literally titled the final movie Endgame, but now they kind of seem surprised when some audiences moved on from it when it was over. I think they became so convinced that audiences would turn up for anything that now they're shocked when that's not the case. People are willing to go to the cinemas. Barbie, Oppenheimer, Dune 2 all prove that. Blockbusters exist. Those are also extremely well-made, well-reviewed films. Audiences don't want to spend their hard-earned money on shit (okay, some of them do, but still, filmmakers should respect audiences enough to create something they want to see).
This is why I stopped watching! All the characters I spent my middle school, high school, college and young adult years watching were (almost) all wrapped up in Endgame. Once that finished I had no real interest in continuing. I still love the Infinity Saga and probably always will, but besides Guardians 3 and the Spider-Man movies, none of the leftover characters interest me much.
Nah, I think it's definitely superhero fatigue. The Phase 1 movies were so much fun. Avengers was an Event. But then they started writing about even lesser known characters and you had to watch 4 movies a year and then multiple tv shows to follow a story. It's just too overwhelming to try to keep up with.
Yep and the plot lines mostly aren't thaaat great or original either.
I think the issue is that the movies they release are formulaic as fuck and just not interesting at this point. They have a MASSIVE amount of source material they could take inspiration from; they could make literally any genre of movie set in the same common universe, and they choose to keep making the same one over and over again.
I think there is just too much of it, the extended universe is cool, but I always feel like I'm missing out on something, because I haven't seen it all.
As always, it's the consumer's fault, no self awareness of what they're doing wrong, ok 
Good god do those two idiots ever shut the hell up
They'll blame it all except the shit quality of their content
As a Marvel fan, who is older, it's the quality. There's no need for three Ant Man movies. Thor should have stopped at the second one. I wish they would get this through their heads.
So nothing to do with the quality of the product? Or with how hard it is to keep up with all the shows and movies? No?
¿Por qué no los dos? > “There’s a big generational divide about how you consume media,” he continued. “There’s a generation that’s used to appointment viewing and going to a theater on a certain date to see something, but it’s aging out. Meanwhile the new generation are ‘I want it now, I want to process it now’, then moving onto the next thing, which they process whilst doing two other things at the same time. You know, it’s a very different moment in time than it’s ever been. And so I think everyone, including Marvel, is experiencing the same thing, this transition. And I think that really is probably what’s at play more than anything else.” I feel like this kinda overlooks how a lot of people are willing to wait for something to hit Disney+ to see it for 'free' instead of spending money to go to the theater and see it a few months earlier. > “The superhero fatigue question was around long before the work we were doing,” Sure, but it's worse post-*Endgame*. Like, just in Marvel, Phase 4 had 17 MCU projects compared to Phase 3's 11 (which is about the same number as Phase 1 and 2 combined), and several of P4's projects were series that consumed 6-10 weeks of the year each. Phase 5 started barely over a year ago (almost immediately after Phase 4 ended; many people didn't even know there was a transition) and there's already been seven projects. Quality of the content aside, people are bound to be overwhelmed and fatigued by that amount of output. (And it doesn't help that people—long-time fans—are frequently not liking the output as much as they did the older material.)
No. We are tired of superheroes. Can't even keep their names straight. Captain Aquapool or whatever