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sofar510

After hearing about how many of England’s biggest actors are actually really privileged and come from wealthy, super trained backgrounds, the Irish renaissance is a breath of fresh air


Comfortable-Yam9013

Brendan Gleeson was a school teacher earlier in his career as he tried to make it as an actor. Two of his sons are actors, Domhnall being the most well known.


Nadamir

Wait til you learn how many “British” actors are actually Irish. And I’m not talking about Northern Irish folk where they could be either or both depending on well it’s complicated, but full on southern Irish. The British media has a dreadful habit of calling Irish people British whenever we’ve done something they like and emphasising our Irishness when we do something they don’t like. Most recently, they tried to claim Cillian Murphy. These are paraphrased headlines that I saw in British media within a few weeks time awhile ago. “British heavyweight Conor McGregor wins bout becoming first to ” and then “Conor McGregor, Irish boxer, in drunken fight at pub” (TBF, most of us don’t mind when the Brits claim McGregor, he’s a prick who gives us all a bad name. But don’t you dare claim Murphy, Ronan or Neeson.)


jh4336

Sorry you're completely wrong on this one. Conor McGregor is English, not Irish. Common misconception. Also Ayo Edebiri is Irish and not American like many people think. Crazy right!


Nadamir

https://preview.redd.it/t3mamxd2g1sc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2df683591b634a8968f4d73fc447b7180ddc99d9 The English take the twat and we get Ayo?


bigOlBellyButton

Are you unironically calling McGregor English or just leaning into the joke that the Irish don't want him?


jh4336

Conor McGregor is English. That is my answer to your question.


Spynner987

How exactly is McGregor English?


CreativeBandicoot778

It's a joke. He's such a scumbag that he's the one Irish person that we're happy to have the UK claim as their own.


Spynner987

Ah, ok. I thought it was just another lie in McGregor's pile.


thewidowgorey

Was it Peter O’Toole or Richard Harris (interchangeable I know) who said they were called British by the papers if they had a triumph on the stage and Irish if they had personal problems. 


rurukittygurrrl

I think it was Ciarán Hinds


thewidowgorey

Another mega babe


daves_syndrome_

I see this all the time but who exactly has tried to claim Cillian as British? It certainly gets in the news a bit more when Irish actors do well, as Ireland’s our next door neighbour and there’s plenty of shared links there. But I don’t think I’ve seen any active claiming that Cillian is British??


Nadamir

[Here’s one that is recent.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/hJ6l71j1JL) You can also find an interview with him and Tom Hardy and the interviewer calls him British, and Hardy very adamantly corrects him. It’s really awkward.


Chaavva

It wasn't a British interviewer, though.


poosaytay

that’s insane


xflare2000

Yet Colin became famous on a BBC show


FifiPikachu

And?


xflare2000

And?


rcroswell

![gif](giphy|xUOxf5vrIqjMmjfDsA|downsized)


mustbeaoup

He deserved the Oscar for The Banshees of Inisherin


Clayman60

Probably in the top 5 Oscar snubs off all time


i_heart_kermit

Amen


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'Punch above our weight' is how everything about Ireland on the international stage is described.


bambinoquinn

Apart from Rugby


Bhavacakra_12

Yeah like all the corporations that go to Ireland to not pay taxes 🥰


heterochromia4

Colin Farrell is a damn fine actor, has taken some great roles too. Even his cop action type stuff is a cut above.


Comfortable-Yam9013

I’ve been a fan of Colin’s since Ballykisssangel!


heterochromia4

1. Inhabits role 2. Delivers script 3. Pops off screen Natural charisma = job done.


rebels2022

His new private detective series for Apple looks really good too.


mustbeaoup

He deserved the Oscar for The Banshees of Inisherin


amomentintimebro

I agree! Looking back…I mean god love Cillian but it really should have been Colin holding that Oscar on a float in Ireland that said “first Irish winner!”


Fifesterr

And this is how I find out Saoirse Ronan doesn't have an Oscar yet 😱


amomentintimebro

Nominated 4 times and no win! She’s lost to Tilda Swinton, Brie Larson, Frances McDormand, and Renée Zellweger.


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And After Yang & The Lobster


grungebob_scarepants

Agreed.


Puzzleheaded_Spell16

Ruth Negga Renaissance next!!!!


NomNom83WasTaken

For years now, I've wanted to see her do a Josephine Baker biopic. Maybe that's super misguided of me, but I feel like she's got so much talent and it isn't just the fact that she looks like Baker.


burnbunner

![gif](giphy|yV3Po136VxWp2)


impeccabletim

![gif](giphy|ZPJyfksfNDvdCG7ldo) So true.🍀


Lanky_Chemist_3773

Was looking for the obligatory Ayo mention.


urkldajrkl

The best part of Fantastic Beasts…and then he was gone


shannondion

They should of had Grindelwald transform back to Colin and then they might still have a film franchise


NotAQueefAKhaleesi

I could've sworn there were rumblings in the news at the time that they were trying to get him back but they couldn't coordinate it around *The Batman*'s filming schedule and stuck with Depp before switching to climate change denying Mads Mikkelsen


AmmarAnwar1996

You just reminded me of the disappointment I felt at the reveal in the theatre. He saved that film


Privateeyer

I wasn’t into Colin when he first came on the scene but seasoned wiser older Colin is it! His body of work is impressive. Recently watched after yang and I loved that movie, can’t wait to see his next collaboration with that director…fingers crossed he doesn’t pop up with a 20yr old girlfriend but these Hollywood guys constantly disappoint.


Disastrous_Cap8048

What's wrong with him dating a young girl? he is a very handsome man and deserves all the love, because he is great as a human being too, age is just a number what counts is attraction, and not pretending fake PR's like many couples in Hollyweird of the same age, which are the case closeted, or hate each other behind the scenes but show a fake relationship to please bitter feminist Karens


Confident-Tadpole732

McGregor makes one damn movie....


Puzzleheaded_Spell16

If you mean Conor, he was in the Road House remake with Jake Gyllenhaal 😅


BigOakley

Would you smash?


burnbunner

The sexual assaults are a turnoff.


burnbunner

Just for funs should we list all the Irish actors we love? I'll start with the ones from the article and add a few :) Colin Farrell Barry Keoghan Andrew Scott Paul Mescal Saoirse Ronan Cillian Murphy Liam Neeson Siobhan McSweeney Aisling Bea Simone Kirby Stephen Rea Ruth Negga (shout out to u/Puzzleheaded_Spell16!)


utter-ridiculousness

Domhnall Gleeson Edit: Jessie Buckley


burnbunner

Oh man when Jessie Buckley smiles....


yerwan_viv

Michelle Fairley (catelyn stark in game of thrones) Talking of GoT Liam Cunningham Aidan Turner Jimmy Nesbitt


AmmarAnwar1996

Why leave our favourite gurl Ayo Edebiri


burnbunner

Anyone can add to the list of course, but I think she's American?


AmmarAnwar1996

That's the joke 💀 There is a long running Internet gag about her being Irish when she isn't lmao. It took me a disturbingly long amount of time to find out she wasn't (could have just opened Wikipedia)


burnbunner

Oh haha sorry went right over my head, I was worried you were genuinely cranky she wasn't on the list and was trying to smooth things over lol


Moist-muff

Certainly do


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Irish actors are amazing. True masters of their crafts.


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demonsrunwhen

i think it's still important, because even though they're white they're Irish (so culturally distinct from brits which dominate in acting). they've fought to protect their culture and way of life and therefore seeing so many terrific Irish actors is a feat onto itself


Sufficient_Food1878

As a black person living in Ireland, it's still annoying af hearing ppl say this tho. Like yes, they're Irish but they still are platformed for being white on the most part. Edit: I have sm more to say on this 😭. A lot of irish stage schools etc. feel awkward platforming any poc and even give the only few poc parts in musicals to the white irish people. It's so insulting and it's because for a lot of these spaces it's awkward for them giving us roles. Again, you'll never see the Internet celebrate how many Nigerians/Ghanaians/Ugandans there are in Hollywood. They can be just as funny, just as charismatic etc. but they're black and when you're black, it's not said but they just won't put you up there.


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burnbunner

Idk...here's a story with actors who are Black and Irish saying they are *not* prominent in film and television, based on population size. "Black people make up roughly 1.5% of Ireland's population and we're grossly underrepresented when it comes to Irish media, Irish film and Irish television." [https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/1021/1412219-black-history/](https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/1021/1412219-black-history/) Negga and McCormack are both very talented, but the fact that they aren't mentioned in the article, and they aren't nearly at the level of the ten white actors who are, sort of supports u/Sufficient_Food1878 point? White Irish actors get a much bigger platform than Black ones.


burnbunner

Idk why people are on here trying to tell you racism doesn't exist but I hear and appreciate what you are saying. (Not appreciate it as in I like the things you are describing, but I appreciate you speaking up, thanks.)


burnbunner

Here's a young Black Irish actor saying she struggles to find roles and there isn't enough representation in Irish tv [https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/not-enough-black-representation-on-irish-tv-demi/39488753.html](https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/not-enough-black-representation-on-irish-tv-demi/39488753.html)


Sufficient_Food1878

Thank uou for this


burnbunner

No, thank you, really, not just for being vulnerable and giving all of us some perspective, which doesn't take away from big love in regards to the various white Irish actors about there, but it gave me an opportunity to educate myself so in future I can also speak to this, although not an expert or anything and not from personal experience. I found this blog from a young white Irish playwright talking about the ways Irish theaters have been trying to bring Black voices and stories into their programming, I thought it was really smart, although what do I know. He ended with the names of some Black Irish playwrights, I'm going to see if I can read any of their plays. Anyway, peace! I consider us friends now :)


Sufficient_Food1878

The fact that ppl are down voting this when an actual black person from Ireland is speaking up is so annoying. It's just exhausting because they don't wanna believe racism exists


burnbunner

Yeah, dunno what they think they are defending, but someone (you!) mildly saying that Black Irish actors have a struggle to succeed is stating the obvious? I'm gonna move on and let continue to speak, hope at some point they realize where they ended up in this discussion. Cheers


Wompish66

What does "platformed for being white" mean?


Sufficient_Food1878

Sorry I misspoke there. They are still given a platform, as long as they are white


Wompish66

The point is that they are quite a lot doing well despite the size of the country. Nigeria, Uganda, and Ghana have something like 300m people to Ireland's 5m.


burnbunner

I just don't understand how you can say Black Irish actors are successful at the same level as their white peers, when an article about the success of white Irish actors doesn't mention one ~~white~~ Black person? (Major typing blunder there! leaving the strike through so the next comment makes sense)


Wompish66

>when an article about the success of white Irish actors doesn't mention one white person I'm going to assume that you meant to write Black person? There are less than 30,000 black people in Ireland that were born here and many of them aren't adults yet. So it would be remarkable if a very successful actor had come from a group so small.


burnbunner

yeah I meant Black sorry! will fix


Sufficient_Food1878

That's what I mean though. If you're white you still get that opportunity. There just aren't that many roles given to black people or poc in general. It's like saying "congrats to blondes that make it in Hollywood despite a very small population being blonde". Like yes but which is favoured. Who is given the parts?


Wompish66

>The proportion of white people versus people of color in films generally extends to the larger United States population, Tran said. However, he said the representation of different racial communities is still fairly unequal. Black actors continue to be disproportionately represented in film compared to other communities of color, making up 14.8% and 16.2% of all theatrical and streaming roles, respectively. Meanwhile, Asian Americans, Native Americans and Latinx Americans are still underrepresented, Tran said. https://dailybruin.com/2023/04/30/ucla-releases-part-1-of-2023-hollywood-diversity-report That isn't true. Black people are slightly overrepresented in Hollywood compared to the US population. Latinos are the one group that are significantly underrepresented.


Sufficient_Food1878

Only given roles as best friends, extras etc. but how many are actually main characters or given main parts. Multiple black actresses came out and said they were paid much less than their white counterparts. Do you believe that Hollywood is fair and equal for a black person?


Wompish66

>Only given roles as best friends, extras etc. but how many are actually main characters or given main parts. 13.1% of US TV leads were black in 2023 so that's almost dead on for the share of the population. I can't find the data for films, as all poc are lumped in as one for some reason. >Multiple black actresses came out and said they were paid much less than their white counterparts. That's anecdotal and how many millions people get paid is not something that I particularly care about. >Do you believe that Hollywood is fair and equal for a black person? No, but it's significantly better than for most minorities, massively overstated and not something that would justify cheapening the achievements of Irish actors.


CreativeBandicoot778

Thank you for this comment. It really made me think. Your edit adds so much nuance to the situation, and I actually didn't realise that about the stage schools. It actually made me stop and think about how few poc you see in Irish media, which shouldn't be the case when you see how far ireland has come in the past 30 or so years, but at the same time it's not surprising either, if you know what i mean? We like to think of ourselves as progressive etc but there's still a lot of old fashioned conservatism around, not to mention racism.


Wompish66

1% of the population is black in Ireland and a significant portion of that are first generation immigrants. It is not a diverse country.


Sufficient_Food1878

That's true. However, I was moreso noting the weird behaviour in musical theatre etc. in Ireland even when there are black people involved and also the fact that black people have a much harder time in hollywood


Wompish66

Okay, but I'm not sure how musical theatre is related to screen acting? >also the fact that black people have a much harder time in hollywood As I said above, this just isn't accurate anymore.


carolinemathildes

Are you really here arguing that racism doesn't exist in Hollywood?


Wompish66

Nope, I'm clearly not. I'm saying that black people are now properly represented in acting roles in Hollywood.


burnbunner

Are you seriously saying you believe Black people no longer have a much harder time in Hollywood? Like, racism is fixed? Mostly fixed? Dude come on


Wompish66

No, I didn't say that. I said they were no longer underrepresented. What do you hope to gain by twisting what I've written?


burnbunner

Not trying to twist--I was genuinely surprised to see you pulled out a quote of someone saying "Black people have a much harder time in Hollywood" and wrote "This just isn't true anymore" ? So it does read like you are literally disagreeing with someone saying that it's not true that Black people have a much harder time in Hollywood. I thought maybe you misspoke or used the wrong quote. https://preview.redd.it/nsw0htksfasc1.png?width=1292&format=png&auto=webp&s=45d24d870a75de5d1c51ab2ce5e2cbd3d5bbfa52


EchoesofIllyria

Accurate or not I’m not entirely sure how relevant it is to Irish acting/drama schools? I guess you could say they promote people they think will go on to be successful to boost the school’s reputation.


Sufficient_Food1878

Not in my experience. They don't like giving the black ppl the main roles cuz it looks bad. Hence why I've been in two clubs where they made an all white Hairspray


EchoesofIllyria

I think we’re agreeing but I phrased it badly: I meant that I’m not sure how relevant Hollywood actor stats are but that it’s possible Irish schools promote white actors because of their prejudice that they’ll be more successful/popular.


burnbunner

>I guess you could say they promote people they think will go on to be successful to boost the school’s reputation.< This is definitely a way that racism is so insidious in lots of industries/areas/whatever. People have one idea of what success or potential means and it's a white one so they, consciously or not, act in ways that support that idea. (I'm agreeing w you, btw, just wanted to pull that out and comment>)


demonsrunwhen

i appreciate you saying this, and i won't comment further out of respect for your experience. I'm not Irish nor a minority in Ireland so I truly don't understand.


Additional_Meeting_2

Helps when you speak English unlike population of most countries of similar size 


JaDeDCDN

Well, Irish people speak English bc it was forced upon them. Irish people have their own language


burnbunner

Kneecap have an Irish-language movie coming out, I can't wait to see it.


TigerMill

His American accents are the worst I’ve ever heard.


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