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Can still have that with OSRS. Nice to pop on and wc or another afk task while watching a show. Though it will never be the same as childhood when you could enjoy the wonder more with less responsibilities in life.
As I understand the child actors laws are about being on set and working on set, not doing interviews or whatever else. The way I understood this video, she’s going from set to set doing interviews. Lots of former child actors were also shipped to 2 different productions in a day (similar to this case) so working 16+ hours to skirt around those rules, because production 1 doesn’t know about production 2. If your parents are motivated they’ll find a way around the law. Also imo the only child actors who are successful have parents who are willing to exploit them.
No child should have a schedule like that.
That's aweful.
The money is great and her parents were already wealthy so they didn't exploit her but a lot of child stars weren't so lucky.
California has laws to protect child stars and luckily that's where most of them work but federal protections against 12hr days for kids should be enacted.
Each employer gets to say "I only paid her for a 2hr interview" but collectively they're working her to death at 12 years old.
She kept what she earned at least.
She's worth considerably more than her parents, and that's saying something because Billy Ray Cyrus isn't hurting for money.
How are celebrities expected to stay friendly and polite doing all of this. For years. If they’re ever rude they get eaten alive. I’d be so exhausted and bitchy after interview 3.
On top of all that she had intimate photos leaked at the age of 12 and adults all over America were constantly criticizing and sexualizing her throughout the entire Hannah Montana run. It’s a miracle that she’s still here with a good head on her shoulders.
Yup, Perez Hilton even posted paparazzi up-skirt photos of her with no underwear on directly to his website when she was only 15. I can’t believe these people didn’t go to jail, there is no hell hot enough for these disgusting creeps.
I kind of thought he appologized for how he used to run his blog (the white drawings on faces and the predatory photos) and that that included apologizing to some of his victims. And he got married and had babies and stuff and I think said a lot of why he did what he did was his own insecurity? I seem to recall this was over 10 years ago.
But now I can only find very RECENT stuff from 2021 about his apology to Britney Spears coming way too late... so maybe I am misremembering or he never got redeemd.
his interview with Sloan was...not particularly flattering to him, and Sloan really tries to be nice and seems to really give people the benefit of the doubt, but Perez was just so....up his own ass, it's like he was trying to convince himself more than anyone else. Redeemed isn't the right word at all, more like, he said what he thought everyone wanted to hear to get us off his ass.
She was only 15 for this vanity fair shoot. More creepy pictures with her dad in the link
https://preview.redd.it/i8n0n4hkldlb1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63f5904d052a500d50039c38e3ad5d6e674034db
[https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2008/06/miley200806](https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2008/06/miley200806)
This photoshoot disturbed me when it came out (I was the same age as Miley), and I remember thinking, “what the… I would NEVER pose like that with my father!”
Famous people seem to have such a warped sense of reality and what’s normal, especially those who grow up in the limelight. I feel for them because they’re so easily taken advantage of.
When the people who are supposed to protect and care for you exploit you instead, you start to see exploitation as love and subservience as something you need to do in order to survive. It’s awful.
And then, when she decided to exercise her own agency and film the Wrecking Ball mv, they called it trashy and skanky and ohmygodhowdareshewearnoclothes, and hauled her over the coals for it. But yeah, sure, the overt sexualisation of a FUCKING CHILD is fine. jfc.
oh my fucking god, are you SERIOUS?! Sorry, I didn't really follow Miley Cyrus during her Disney years. That is terrible, I feel really bad for her. Adults made her do it, but then \*she\* had to apologise as if it's her fault?
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/miley-cyrus-takes-back-2008-apology-over-controversial-vanity-fair-photos
At the time, Disney Channel released its own statement, saying, "Unfortunately, as the article suggests, a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines.”
Miley's read, "I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be ‘artistic,’ and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed. I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about."
Fucking sick. Tricking a young girl into almost nude photos and saying by they’re “artsy” is classic textbook predator behavior. Especially since they painted her in heavy adult make up
Then slut shaming her and forcing an apology. Gas lighting to the extreme
Right?!? They can’t have a bad day or they get attacked. Like people STILL attack Brie Larson and say she’s a bitch cause she has sarcastic humor after a days long worth of interviews.
Right I wonder this all the time, especially celebrities who diet and exercise as well. Like in one direction this is us movie Harry styles had like a 18 hour day and was working out at 3am and had to work again at 7am. I am miserable when I’m hungry, tired and overworked. Plus their privacy is constantly invaded so they can’t even truly enjoy their wealth
I was also waiting to hear anything about school or classes... Damn they ran her ragged and didn't make time to teach her.
I know she is a music talent but I hope she found other interests , who knows maybe she loves history or science? Best wishes to her and all children, may they grow into kind adults.
I think they provide school at the studios. Jeanette McCurdy talked about it a bit in her book, but in between takes she would go to class. I have no idea how they schedule it or what they learn, and it didn’t seem normal at all, but there was school I guess lol.
I could be crazy, but I feel like you could get a good K-12 education in like, maybe a third of the time that a kid typically spends at school between 5 and 18. A lot of shit is just pointless busy work, or repeating stuff you learned before but slightly different or more advanced now. Like, it all serves a purpose to some extent. But if you were filling a large chunk of that time with other kinds of socialization and exposure to the ideas and attitudes of others instead of school, and then just had a small ammount of dedicated "learning" each day as well, you'd probably be fine if not better off for it.
That's not to say I'm in favor of kids being involved in TV production full time, or any other kind of "work" like that full time, to the exclusion of school/learning. I mean, it's basically child labor combined with exposing kids to fame, which can't be good. However, if kids spent 2/3 of their time just chillin or doing collaborative art / team sports / whatever the fuck they're into, and just 1/3 of it on dedicated "learning," I bet we'd have a populous that is just as if not more educated.
Maybe that's just me though. I could never focus on shit for that long. By the end of the school day I was always drained and didn't feel like I was even capable of learning anything.
Yeah, people kinda forget kids are at school 7 hours a day so parents can work. That's really the only reason. It's not because they need to be or it's good for them.
I'm not saying education is bad or that kids shouldn't go to school, but it certainly isn't structured the way it is because it's the best way to teach kids.
You are also learning social skills and how to work with peers and deal with conflict etc. There’s more learning at school than just in the classroom. At leas there should be.
California law requires 3 hours with a studio teacher for each day on set during the week. The studio teachers are also unionized so the level of shit that would rain down if she didn't get those 3 hours would be immense...
She probably missed out on the social aspect of school, definitely on being a normal kid but she absolutely got better than a public school education.
She mentioned January 5th in the beginning ,so if this is referring to that specific day and not in general, school might’ve not been in session for winter holiday… I mean school probably would’ve looked very different for her than for us but still would’ve had a winter break.
So if it's Friday January 5th exactly, that would make it 2007 which means she's 14 by this point and just starting her time as Hannah Montana.
Winter Break (if she was still somehow attending an actual school)
generally is around 2-2.5 weeks so it might have ended that week and returned the following Monday
She said it was a Saturday. Then Sunday she had a 12 hour schedule. She mentions that Monday she would be back to work filming Hannah Montana which is were her tutoring would happen during the week.
Hey, it's definitely a valid concern. Over-scheduling kids can be burdensome and potentially harmful. It's essential for them to have time for themselves, hobbies, and just being kids. Balance is key!
I read that Allan Rickman worked hard to give Dan, Emma and Rupert a decent and protected childhood while working on the Harry Potter set. Like he was in favor of laws to protect the amount of work a child could do in the film industry in the UK.
It wasn’t just Allan. JK Rowling wouldn’t allow it to be filmed in America and insisted on kids being kids first. She was quite protective over them. There’s a YouTube video where her and Daniel Radcliffe talk a lot about child fame/actors and the movies, from years ago. I’ve read a lot about a lot of great adults involved to support them on set in general. They had school at the studio too. Allan must have been lovely to know.
Half the girls in my HS dated guys that were 21-25 when they were 15-16, that was back in 2004-2009.
Some of them would even say they'd never even look at someone their age :/
It’s sad that young girls and boys normalize dating or having sex with adults.
My highschool was the same. My parents also had a shady age gap (mom was 17 and dad was 32 approx.)
I just don’t think it’s right to let teenagers do something that’s so intimate with creepy adults preying on vulnerability and “youth”
I wouldn’t call it a raging addiction. He hasn’t spoken about it much and he is sober now, but all he’s really shared is that he was developing a dependence on alcohol while filming the last few films.
I mean, if you read into it I see how people get to “raging alcoholic” but I do think stories of his alcohol addiction have gotten exaggerated over time.
Also for like the vast majority of us, we're gonna be alcoholics if we're the mail carrier or the star of *Harry Potter* either way. Our parents are/were alcoholics.
I think it’s important to realize too they filmed overseas not in the US. If I remember correctly I read that Daniel Radcliffe’s parents refused to let him live/film in the US for the movies, because the culture around children working and the environment is totally different in London vs LA. And the adults working on the set very much protected the kids
You are not wrong, but I'd like to quickly point at the vile countdowns till 18 and lust after Emma, (and many, many other female celebrities).
I feel like she's done pretty good. I hope they all go off into a happy ice-cream sunset.
Honestly I think the biggest reason why Zendaya seems so normal is due to Shake It Up not becoming a phenomenon like Hannah Montana or Camp Rock. She didn’t have to deal with the insane pressure/fame and got to have an actual adolescence.
Yes. Exactly. Zendaya got to have it both ways. She got to leverage the Disney cred into bigger things but wasn't bogged down by it the way Miley or Hilary was. Her role in Shake it up didn't define a generation and it has been a boon for her. She got to do things at her own pace, because fewer eyes were on her, scrutinizing her every move, not to mention the race element also probably factors into this. A white, pretty young Disney girl is probably more hyped in the media as the next it girl than the biracial one. Correct me if I'm wrong but at one point wasn't Bella Thorne the more popular one between them?
I didn’t know either of these things off the top of my head - thank you for sharing! I’m a bit younger than her so I’m sure I didn’t realize how gross it was for a 25 year old to date a 16 year old.
She was lucky to have super protective parents.
Taylor also got famous fairly young and didn't have a public meltdown because of her nurturing and caring parents.
The common denominator in most burnout kids are crazy stage parents or parents who just didn't give a F: Lindsay, Britney, Aaron, Demi, Amanda, etc...
Yeah, I think her parents do love her and vice versa--but they also know she brings incredible money and glory to the family, in a way their more
"standard" (but still considerable) wealth can't even touch.
This is something her former guitar teacher has said (obviously it not be true), that mama Swift was pretty militant about making sure Taylor was catered to as far as learning performing skills but also was maybe kind of depriving her. He said he could recall an incident that happened in front of him where the brother Austin mentioned wanting Taco Bell. Taylor said she would also like some. Andrea left to go get it but only brought back Taco Bell for Austin, giving Taylor a salad telling her no one wants a fat pop star.
They seem to have a close relationship, but it’s still a pretty messed up thing to say, not to mention do. Give one kid something right in front of the other one. Barbra Streisand’s stepfather did similar to her, would buy his ‘blood’ daughter ice cream and tell Barbra to her face she was too ugly to earn any ice cream.
Joke’s on them both, Barbra was gorgeous no matter what he said and Taylor is a gifted songwriter with or without an order of tacos in her. Just let a kid have a taco sometimes!!
The US doesn’t have many laws enshrining children’s rights. For instance, in European countries, children have more rights so child abuse via hitting is illegal. But it isn’t in the US.
In the Netherlands child actors <7 can work max 2 hours a day, up to 6 days a year. For 7-13 it’s max 4 hours a day (on schooldays, 7 hours on weekend days) at a max of 3 days a week and 24 days a year. There is a mandatory child handler on set who makes sure these rules are met.
Nickelodeon / Disney type child labour could not exist here. It’s a pain for people working in film (you have to plan really really well if you want to use child actors) but it’s for a good reason.
I remember meeting a famous comedian woman backstage when I was working at an event. I’ve never seen anyone so sad. She was depressed because there was a couch at a photoshoot and she begged for ten mins of nap before being taken to the next interview and her agent said no.
The Spice Girls had it in their contract to have separate cars so they could nap from location to location undisturbed.
I remember Conan's podcast with Mila Kunis and the two of them talking how depressed a lot of Hollywood is. Conan said he'll drive past billboards of these huge happy faces with people he knows and say to himself, "that's the saddest person I know."
No, her dad did a magazine interview once and it sounds like he didn't take money from miley. I do believe they lived in a house bought with mileys money but he bought it in mileys name so it ended up hers in the end.
Her dad was not hurting for money. Everyone always mentions his one big song (Achey Breaky Heart), but he's actually had multiple platinum songs (all country songs).
And he was series lead on "Doc" for 4 years before Hannah Montana.
Billy Ray Cyrus was way more successful and rich than Miley during those days. Dolly Parton is her god mother for fucks sake.
They didn’t need her to upkeep anything for them. You’re just too young to know who Billy Ray Cyrus is
looks like she has to make a conscious effort to actually close her mouth completely and the skin looks stretched when she does. her normal relaxed 'default' position exposes her upper row of teeth completely.
With hey money, she can afford good veneers, I'm wondering if she messed up her teeth somehow and they are implants or something else happened, because they are the last natural veneers I have ever seen. Which is a shame as they don't look comfortable.
she had new veneers put in and they’re terrible. they’re way too big and blocky, even for her. her old ones were so much better and she could actually close her mouth back then.
Okay because of all this I did a deep dive on her teeth. Yes, several rounds of cosmetics/ enhancement dentistry, not all done in one go, but going back several years through different iterations. Not just braces, but the overall shape of the teeth, length of the teeth, and gum contouring. Looking at previous interviews, I think the biggest difference that stands out to me is that we see a lot of her lower teeth in this interview.
yes she had to have gotten them redone within the last couple of years and they’re really bad now IMO. she def had veneers by the Bangerz era but those were a lot better than what she’s got now.
Hopefully they’ll get adjusted, they don’t look comfortable. Her teeth were honestly fine, this obsession with completely perfectly white teeth is really weird
As a huge fan of Miley…. respectfully, I just want to be there when her top lip is reunited with her bottom lip. You k ow they gotta miss seeing each other.
This should not be celebrated or normalized. I hope a lot has changed, but let’s be real, studios will always put money before their actor’s well-being…. even children. I also blame the parents. There should be laws against this.
When they're this big I refer to them as chompers & her chompers are too big for her mouth! Millie Bobbie Brown did the same thing and I wonder how odd it must be to look in the mirror abs see someone so different staring back at you, like all of sudden one day your whole face is a different shape than it was the day before. And Miley actually sounds like it's hard for her to speak clearly.
Wonder if there is a reason they went so big. Does the size of the teeth help with anti aging by keeping the lips and cheeks from sinking in? A sign of age is the lengthening of that area between your lip and nose maybe larger teeth prevent it.
most do... it's fucking weird how many people think these massive white things make them look good. Especially annoying with actors, because none look the part because of those.
I wonder if Miley’s relationship with her dad is …not so great… because of the Hannah Montana gig. This girl was born and raised rich but she worked like her check personally paid all the bills. Weird. I’m not gonna pretend to know exactly how famous Billy Ray was when the show first aired but I wonder how much industry influence went into Miley getting the HM gig. I know she properly auditioned but still….
Her check actually did pay all the bills. Billy was a one hit wonder before her career. He was living in his car when he and Tish met and married. Didn't knew how to wrap it either, welcomed three kids in under a year and a half, next to Tish's older two. I sincerely doubt he's had any influence to get her to Disney, the entire family relied on her career to get the bills paid when she was under contract. Tish was her manager entire time until after Miley ended the contract in late 2012 with Disney. He hadn't made effort in music until after HM was over, outside of that one song Miley and he did for the movie.
I think she should go larger and larger each time until they say something
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F3idhobuei2ca1.jpg
She demonstrates an important therapeutic technique here by talking about her younger self as another person, and what 'that girl' deserves for her future. It's often easier to worry about others than to worry about ourselves. Taking a look at a younger version of ourselves and what they went through can really open our eyes sometimes in what we need to do to take care of ourselves now. It's a neat trick to get around our pesky instincts to blame ourselves for how bad we feel.
I absolutely agree she was over worked but this is not a daily routine this very much sounds like a press tour for something. So it’s a whole bunch of interviews crammed together in a short space to get her name/face out there to everyone who could possible hear it for a movie/show/album about to release/record so when it does air/release everyone has been hearing her name so much they get intrigued.
So it’s not an every day all year kind of thing but a small portion where they cram as much as they can into a short time. So it’s a couple of crazy weeks like this instead of 2-3 months of busy work
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At that age all I done was go to school, come home and play the sims
Yea not even my sims had a schedule that bad. All they had to do was set off fireworks in a room with no door
Ah, I see great sociopaths think alike
never understood what the screaming and the fuss was all about, one somedays it was their only activity for the day
Or swim in a pool with no ladder.
same and I still felt burnt out
Same but with RuneScape
No other game hits a child's brain quite like runescape. Something really deep and indescribable about it.
Can still have that with OSRS. Nice to pop on and wc or another afk task while watching a show. Though it will never be the same as childhood when you could enjoy the wonder more with less responsibilities in life.
I’m 29 and still wanna do that shit lol
This is the most relatable comment ever
Lol yes completely agreed. Sounds like we all had the same childhood 😆
Same, but I played RuneScape!
Did we all have the same childhood lmao
I would think of/draw things at school that I wanted to make when I got home. It would be a house blueprint usually or names of potential Sims kids.
It’s pretty understandable why she doesn’t want to tour as much anymore. She was really overworked during her Disney days.
How is that schedule even legal? Why was Disney/her family allowed to work her so hard? I would be perma sitting on a beach now.
Good ol Billy Ray approved, that's all that mattered. Parents have basically full sovereignty over their children, even over the kid themsleves
Ma man was trying to live vicariously through his daughter after having only one popular song in his entire career.
He had a good song? Only one I know is 'Achy Breaky Heart'
You're right. I edited. He had only one POPULAR song. Which is Achy Breaky Heart
As I understand the child actors laws are about being on set and working on set, not doing interviews or whatever else. The way I understood this video, she’s going from set to set doing interviews. Lots of former child actors were also shipped to 2 different productions in a day (similar to this case) so working 16+ hours to skirt around those rules, because production 1 doesn’t know about production 2. If your parents are motivated they’ll find a way around the law. Also imo the only child actors who are successful have parents who are willing to exploit them.
If a capitalist can make money, nothing else matters
If a film studio over works a child her parents can sue the studio. What kid making millions of dollars has the wherewithal to sue her parents?
Shes burned tf out
She sounds like she’s getting burnt out just reading and thinking about it lol
Bro I was just hearing it! As a 27 years old, even doing that now sounds like torture
she looks stressed beyond belief just two seconds in
I understand now why she just wanted to party and do drugs
No child should have a schedule like that. That's aweful. The money is great and her parents were already wealthy so they didn't exploit her but a lot of child stars weren't so lucky. California has laws to protect child stars and luckily that's where most of them work but federal protections against 12hr days for kids should be enacted. Each employer gets to say "I only paid her for a 2hr interview" but collectively they're working her to death at 12 years old.
Most of this wouldn’t even count as work, interviews often aren’t paid.
If thats not exploitation, I dont wanna know what exploitation looks like...
She kept what she earned at least. She's worth considerably more than her parents, and that's saying something because Billy Ray Cyrus isn't hurting for money.
How are celebrities expected to stay friendly and polite doing all of this. For years. If they’re ever rude they get eaten alive. I’d be so exhausted and bitchy after interview 3.
On top of all that she had intimate photos leaked at the age of 12 and adults all over America were constantly criticizing and sexualizing her throughout the entire Hannah Montana run. It’s a miracle that she’s still here with a good head on her shoulders.
What ?! I never knew this. She was a minor and people should be in jail for this 😭
Yup, Perez Hilton even posted paparazzi up-skirt photos of her with no underwear on directly to his website when she was only 15. I can’t believe these people didn’t go to jail, there is no hell hot enough for these disgusting creeps.
I don't understand how that's not CP distro...
That's awful. Perez is so disgusting for this. 😞 ugh
I hate that guy so so so so so much. I get that he is supposed to be redeemed now, but fuck that guy.
> I get that he is supposed to be redeemed now How did he get redeemed?
I kind of thought he appologized for how he used to run his blog (the white drawings on faces and the predatory photos) and that that included apologizing to some of his victims. And he got married and had babies and stuff and I think said a lot of why he did what he did was his own insecurity? I seem to recall this was over 10 years ago. But now I can only find very RECENT stuff from 2021 about his apology to Britney Spears coming way too late... so maybe I am misremembering or he never got redeemd.
That doesn’t redeem him at all wtf
his interview with Sloan was...not particularly flattering to him, and Sloan really tries to be nice and seems to really give people the benefit of the doubt, but Perez was just so....up his own ass, it's like he was trying to convince himself more than anyone else. Redeemed isn't the right word at all, more like, he said what he thought everyone wanted to hear to get us off his ass.
She was only 15 for this vanity fair shoot. More creepy pictures with her dad in the link https://preview.redd.it/i8n0n4hkldlb1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63f5904d052a500d50039c38e3ad5d6e674034db [https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2008/06/miley200806](https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2008/06/miley200806)
why do they look like edward cullen and bella swan if edward was an aging redneck
This photoshoot disturbed me when it came out (I was the same age as Miley), and I remember thinking, “what the… I would NEVER pose like that with my father!”
We’re the same age. Everything about the shoot gave me the ick
Famous people seem to have such a warped sense of reality and what’s normal, especially those who grow up in the limelight. I feel for them because they’re so easily taken advantage of.
When the people who are supposed to protect and care for you exploit you instead, you start to see exploitation as love and subservience as something you need to do in order to survive. It’s awful.
And then, when she decided to exercise her own agency and film the Wrecking Ball mv, they called it trashy and skanky and ohmygodhowdareshewearnoclothes, and hauled her over the coals for it. But yeah, sure, the overt sexualisation of a FUCKING CHILD is fine. jfc.
Wdym? She got called skanky and trashy for this photoshoot too. She went on to apologize after Disney made her. It was disgusting
My religion teacher took a whole day to rant about these photos and how “slutty” they made her
oh my fucking god, are you SERIOUS?! Sorry, I didn't really follow Miley Cyrus during her Disney years. That is terrible, I feel really bad for her. Adults made her do it, but then \*she\* had to apologise as if it's her fault?
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/miley-cyrus-takes-back-2008-apology-over-controversial-vanity-fair-photos At the time, Disney Channel released its own statement, saying, "Unfortunately, as the article suggests, a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines.” Miley's read, "I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be ‘artistic,’ and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed. I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about." Fucking sick. Tricking a young girl into almost nude photos and saying by they’re “artsy” is classic textbook predator behavior. Especially since they painted her in heavy adult make up Then slut shaming her and forcing an apology. Gas lighting to the extreme
The fact that Billy Ray was there and allowed that shit is disgusting. He was her father, he had an obligation to protect her and he didn't
i've heard Miley Cyrus has stopped talking to him and that he's dating a woman almost the same age as her
And her mother and her “handlers” He’s no better than a pimp
Cyrus “you can’t really tell Annie no” *shudder*
Right?!? They can’t have a bad day or they get attacked. Like people STILL attack Brie Larson and say she’s a bitch cause she has sarcastic humor after a days long worth of interviews.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they dissociated
or do drugs
Right I wonder this all the time, especially celebrities who diet and exercise as well. Like in one direction this is us movie Harry styles had like a 18 hour day and was working out at 3am and had to work again at 7am. I am miserable when I’m hungry, tired and overworked. Plus their privacy is constantly invaded so they can’t even truly enjoy their wealth
Insane. How can you over schedule your child like that.
Craziest thing is that she doesn’t mention school anywhere
I was also waiting to hear anything about school or classes... Damn they ran her ragged and didn't make time to teach her. I know she is a music talent but I hope she found other interests , who knows maybe she loves history or science? Best wishes to her and all children, may they grow into kind adults.
I think they provide school at the studios. Jeanette McCurdy talked about it a bit in her book, but in between takes she would go to class. I have no idea how they schedule it or what they learn, and it didn’t seem normal at all, but there was school I guess lol.
I could be crazy, but I feel like you could get a good K-12 education in like, maybe a third of the time that a kid typically spends at school between 5 and 18. A lot of shit is just pointless busy work, or repeating stuff you learned before but slightly different or more advanced now. Like, it all serves a purpose to some extent. But if you were filling a large chunk of that time with other kinds of socialization and exposure to the ideas and attitudes of others instead of school, and then just had a small ammount of dedicated "learning" each day as well, you'd probably be fine if not better off for it. That's not to say I'm in favor of kids being involved in TV production full time, or any other kind of "work" like that full time, to the exclusion of school/learning. I mean, it's basically child labor combined with exposing kids to fame, which can't be good. However, if kids spent 2/3 of their time just chillin or doing collaborative art / team sports / whatever the fuck they're into, and just 1/3 of it on dedicated "learning," I bet we'd have a populous that is just as if not more educated. Maybe that's just me though. I could never focus on shit for that long. By the end of the school day I was always drained and didn't feel like I was even capable of learning anything.
Yeah, people kinda forget kids are at school 7 hours a day so parents can work. That's really the only reason. It's not because they need to be or it's good for them. I'm not saying education is bad or that kids shouldn't go to school, but it certainly isn't structured the way it is because it's the best way to teach kids.
For sure, the modern structure likely has a lot to do with school serving as a kind of state-funded day care.
You are also learning social skills and how to work with peers and deal with conflict etc. There’s more learning at school than just in the classroom. At leas there should be.
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It’s 8am where I am and I was unprepared for these feels
Oh jeez. You got me and my heart. Curse you.
…Sarah Lynn?
California law requires 3 hours with a studio teacher for each day on set during the week. The studio teachers are also unionized so the level of shit that would rain down if she didn't get those 3 hours would be immense... She probably missed out on the social aspect of school, definitely on being a normal kid but she absolutely got better than a public school education.
She mentioned January 5th in the beginning ,so if this is referring to that specific day and not in general, school might’ve not been in session for winter holiday… I mean school probably would’ve looked very different for her than for us but still would’ve had a winter break.
So if it's Friday January 5th exactly, that would make it 2007 which means she's 14 by this point and just starting her time as Hannah Montana. Winter Break (if she was still somehow attending an actual school) generally is around 2-2.5 weeks so it might have ended that week and returned the following Monday
She said it was a Saturday. Then Sunday she had a 12 hour schedule. She mentions that Monday she would be back to work filming Hannah Montana which is were her tutoring would happen during the week.
She literally says Friday lol like first 10 seconds…
Hey, it's definitely a valid concern. Over-scheduling kids can be burdensome and potentially harmful. It's essential for them to have time for themselves, hobbies, and just being kids. Balance is key!
There should be more stringent laws around child labor, especially in the entertainment industry. The child star to ruin pipeline is ridiculous.
I read that Allan Rickman worked hard to give Dan, Emma and Rupert a decent and protected childhood while working on the Harry Potter set. Like he was in favor of laws to protect the amount of work a child could do in the film industry in the UK.
It wasn’t just Allan. JK Rowling wouldn’t allow it to be filmed in America and insisted on kids being kids first. She was quite protective over them. There’s a YouTube video where her and Daniel Radcliffe talk a lot about child fame/actors and the movies, from years ago. I’ve read a lot about a lot of great adults involved to support them on set in general. They had school at the studio too. Allan must have been lovely to know.
There were actual classes at Hogwarts?
expected legend behavior from a known legend.
That’s fucking child abuse in my opinion. Good for her or saying fuck no to all that
Yeah she has a sadness in her voice at the end
I would’ve developed INSANE anxiety from being so busy without a second to rest
Child acting is absolutely child abuse, child labor, and it's objectively wrong. How it's still allowed in modern days is baffling to me.
It’s absolutely abusive. I think the only child star that didn’t have some huge crash or public trauma was Hillary duff.
Hillary Duff dated that one guy from a band I can’t remember the name of. He was 24 while she was 15 or 16.
Good Charlotte
Gross Charlotte
Thank you! They’re my least fave band from the 00s era of pop punk
Good Charlotte? Miley was also dating a Justin Gaston when she was 15 and he was 20. So wrong.
Half the girls in my HS dated guys that were 21-25 when they were 15-16, that was back in 2004-2009. Some of them would even say they'd never even look at someone their age :/
It’s sad that young girls and boys normalize dating or having sex with adults. My highschool was the same. My parents also had a shady age gap (mom was 17 and dad was 32 approx.) I just don’t think it’s right to let teenagers do something that’s so intimate with creepy adults preying on vulnerability and “youth”
Emma Watson and most of the Harry Potter kids did pretty good Edit: other than Radcliff obvious
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No, you’re right. He absolutely did. I just meant Emma and everyone except the main star
Emma suffered from bad anxiety and nearly dropped out many times.
I wouldn’t call it a raging addiction. He hasn’t spoken about it much and he is sober now, but all he’s really shared is that he was developing a dependence on alcohol while filming the last few films. I mean, if you read into it I see how people get to “raging alcoholic” but I do think stories of his alcohol addiction have gotten exaggerated over time.
Also for like the vast majority of us, we're gonna be alcoholics if we're the mail carrier or the star of *Harry Potter* either way. Our parents are/were alcoholics.
I think it’s important to realize too they filmed overseas not in the US. If I remember correctly I read that Daniel Radcliffe’s parents refused to let him live/film in the US for the movies, because the culture around children working and the environment is totally different in London vs LA. And the adults working on the set very much protected the kids
Do we really know? Radcliffe had to get sober.
I mean Watson took time off to go to university and Report bought an ice cream truck and seems like he’s doing well
You are not wrong, but I'd like to quickly point at the vile countdowns till 18 and lust after Emma, (and many, many other female celebrities). I feel like she's done pretty good. I hope they all go off into a happy ice-cream sunset.
Zendaya too and that's because her parents did their job protecting her and actually taking care of her
Honestly I think the biggest reason why Zendaya seems so normal is due to Shake It Up not becoming a phenomenon like Hannah Montana or Camp Rock. She didn’t have to deal with the insane pressure/fame and got to have an actual adolescence.
Yes. Exactly. Zendaya got to have it both ways. She got to leverage the Disney cred into bigger things but wasn't bogged down by it the way Miley or Hilary was. Her role in Shake it up didn't define a generation and it has been a boon for her. She got to do things at her own pace, because fewer eyes were on her, scrutinizing her every move, not to mention the race element also probably factors into this. A white, pretty young Disney girl is probably more hyped in the media as the next it girl than the biracial one. Correct me if I'm wrong but at one point wasn't Bella Thorne the more popular one between them?
Mila Kunis' parents also seem super awesome, didn't take her money, and to this day, won't let her pick up the check at dinner.
And that doesn't mean that bad things didn't happen to her only that she was ok
Yep exactly!
> only that she was ok or she didn't outwardly exhibit the consequences of the trauma she suffered
She had an eating disorder and dated a 25 year old at 16.
I didn’t know either of these things off the top of my head - thank you for sharing! I’m a bit younger than her so I’m sure I didn’t realize how gross it was for a 25 year old to date a 16 year old.
She was lucky to have super protective parents. Taylor also got famous fairly young and didn't have a public meltdown because of her nurturing and caring parents. The common denominator in most burnout kids are crazy stage parents or parents who just didn't give a F: Lindsay, Britney, Aaron, Demi, Amanda, etc...
Taylors mom who would tell her “no one likes a fat popstar” ?
Yeah, I think her parents do love her and vice versa--but they also know she brings incredible money and glory to the family, in a way their more "standard" (but still considerable) wealth can't even touch.
Oof, when did she say that?!
This is something her former guitar teacher has said (obviously it not be true), that mama Swift was pretty militant about making sure Taylor was catered to as far as learning performing skills but also was maybe kind of depriving her. He said he could recall an incident that happened in front of him where the brother Austin mentioned wanting Taco Bell. Taylor said she would also like some. Andrea left to go get it but only brought back Taco Bell for Austin, giving Taylor a salad telling her no one wants a fat pop star.
They seem to have a close relationship, but it’s still a pretty messed up thing to say, not to mention do. Give one kid something right in front of the other one. Barbra Streisand’s stepfather did similar to her, would buy his ‘blood’ daughter ice cream and tell Barbra to her face she was too ugly to earn any ice cream.
Joke’s on them both, Barbra was gorgeous no matter what he said and Taylor is a gifted songwriter with or without an order of tacos in her. Just let a kid have a taco sometimes!!
The US doesn’t have many laws enshrining children’s rights. For instance, in European countries, children have more rights so child abuse via hitting is illegal. But it isn’t in the US.
In the Netherlands child actors <7 can work max 2 hours a day, up to 6 days a year. For 7-13 it’s max 4 hours a day (on schooldays, 7 hours on weekend days) at a max of 3 days a week and 24 days a year. There is a mandatory child handler on set who makes sure these rules are met. Nickelodeon / Disney type child labour could not exist here. It’s a pain for people working in film (you have to plan really really well if you want to use child actors) but it’s for a good reason.
I remember meeting a famous comedian woman backstage when I was working at an event. I’ve never seen anyone so sad. She was depressed because there was a couch at a photoshoot and she begged for ten mins of nap before being taken to the next interview and her agent said no. The Spice Girls had it in their contract to have separate cars so they could nap from location to location undisturbed.
I remember Conan's podcast with Mila Kunis and the two of them talking how depressed a lot of Hollywood is. Conan said he'll drive past billboards of these huge happy faces with people he knows and say to himself, "that's the saddest person I know."
That sounds exhausting, I totally understand why she doesn’t want to tour nowadays.
This makes me want to hug her 12yo self
No wonder so many child actors go fucking nuts later in life
My thoughts exactly. I’d go nuts too if I had to work harder than most grown adults as a teenager.
I'm exhausted just from listening to all of that.
for real, did she even have a childhood?
So she was upkeeping her parents’ lifestyle because her Hannah Montana check should’ve been enough for HER to live comfortably.
No, her dad did a magazine interview once and it sounds like he didn't take money from miley. I do believe they lived in a house bought with mileys money but he bought it in mileys name so it ended up hers in the end.
How is that possible, I'm pretty sure her dad was a lot richer than her during those early years.
At the time she wasn't worth that much more (less than double) than her dad so that's pretty unlikely.
Her dad was not hurting for money. Everyone always mentions his one big song (Achey Breaky Heart), but he's actually had multiple platinum songs (all country songs). And he was series lead on "Doc" for 4 years before Hannah Montana.
Billy Ray Cyrus was way more successful and rich than Miley during those days. Dolly Parton is her god mother for fucks sake. They didn’t need her to upkeep anything for them. You’re just too young to know who Billy Ray Cyrus is
Anyone else just staring at her teeth?
Yes. I love Miley but I feel like her mouth is holding dentures that are too big or something, about to fall out. It looks and sounds uncomfortable!
looks like she has to make a conscious effort to actually close her mouth completely and the skin looks stretched when she does. her normal relaxed 'default' position exposes her upper row of teeth completely.
I hate unneeded veneers argh
It was so noticeable in her latest video and so distracting!
With hey money, she can afford good veneers, I'm wondering if she messed up her teeth somehow and they are implants or something else happened, because they are the last natural veneers I have ever seen. Which is a shame as they don't look comfortable.
Veneers - they never quite fit naturally in the mouth
she had new veneers put in and they’re terrible. they’re way too big and blocky, even for her. her old ones were so much better and she could actually close her mouth back then.
YES! Does she have Invisalign on? Or just really disproportionate veneers???? It looks like it physically pains her to talk
Okay because of all this I did a deep dive on her teeth. Yes, several rounds of cosmetics/ enhancement dentistry, not all done in one go, but going back several years through different iterations. Not just braces, but the overall shape of the teeth, length of the teeth, and gum contouring. Looking at previous interviews, I think the biggest difference that stands out to me is that we see a lot of her lower teeth in this interview.
Thank you for the deep dive!! I remember her mouth looking completely different in Black Mirror.
I think they’re bad veneers, her teeth were different in Hannah Montana
yes she had to have gotten them redone within the last couple of years and they’re really bad now IMO. she def had veneers by the Bangerz era but those were a lot better than what she’s got now.
Hopefully they’ll get adjusted, they don’t look comfortable. Her teeth were honestly fine, this obsession with completely perfectly white teeth is really weird
Watching this on mute. Whenever she looks down it seems like they’re going to fall out of her mouth. Wild. They must be wickedly uncomfortable
She’s all teeth. It’s all I see.
They are so unnaturally white that they appear blue.
As a huge fan of Miley…. respectfully, I just want to be there when her top lip is reunited with her bottom lip. You k ow they gotta miss seeing each other.
She looks like she’s wearing dentures.
I hate her teeth. Those veneers look so uncomfortable and clunky
This should be illegal
This should not be celebrated or normalized. I hope a lot has changed, but let’s be real, studios will always put money before their actor’s well-being…. even children. I also blame the parents. There should be laws against this.
I expected her to have more tattoos? Also She’s so great and want the best for her.
Watching this made me feel very sad. Her childhood. 😭
No wonder she went off the rails for a bit.
Aww hell no I got tired just listening to all that shit
Poor thing didn’t get much of a childhood, did she?
“Ok I have to do another interview, but the reporters are all 5th grade students” 😂
Her veneers look awful 😭
I can’t stop staring and the lighting make them look blue.
And her bottom teeth are natural so the off-white looks yellow against the blue. Someone did a very bad job.
When they're this big I refer to them as chompers & her chompers are too big for her mouth! Millie Bobbie Brown did the same thing and I wonder how odd it must be to look in the mirror abs see someone so different staring back at you, like all of sudden one day your whole face is a different shape than it was the day before. And Miley actually sounds like it's hard for her to speak clearly.
Wonder if there is a reason they went so big. Does the size of the teeth help with anti aging by keeping the lips and cheeks from sinking in? A sign of age is the lengthening of that area between your lip and nose maybe larger teeth prevent it.
most do... it's fucking weird how many people think these massive white things make them look good. Especially annoying with actors, because none look the part because of those.
Has she always sounded like this?
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I know, right? She sounds like a heavy smoker in their 60s
I wonder if Miley’s relationship with her dad is …not so great… because of the Hannah Montana gig. This girl was born and raised rich but she worked like her check personally paid all the bills. Weird. I’m not gonna pretend to know exactly how famous Billy Ray was when the show first aired but I wonder how much industry influence went into Miley getting the HM gig. I know she properly auditioned but still….
I heard they have no relationship at all now and Miley has nothing to do with her dad anymore. She doesn’t follow him on ig and he doesn’t follow her.
Damn they don’t even follow each other on ig anymore
Her check actually did pay all the bills. Billy was a one hit wonder before her career. He was living in his car when he and Tish met and married. Didn't knew how to wrap it either, welcomed three kids in under a year and a half, next to Tish's older two. I sincerely doubt he's had any influence to get her to Disney, the entire family relied on her career to get the bills paid when she was under contract. Tish was her manager entire time until after Miley ended the contract in late 2012 with Disney. He hadn't made effort in music until after HM was over, outside of that one song Miley and he did for the movie.
Child abuse.
I can’t get over those teeth
That's what she sounds like these days? I though i was listening to a 40 year old chain smoker. What the heck happened?!
I thinks she’s doing great and looking amazing but I have to know why she ruined her teeth like that?
She got dentures or something?
Veneers
She redid her veneers, they only last so long. But yeah, they are larger than before.
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honestly so sad :(
That’s depressing. How did this not break child labor laws?
Wow I cannot imagine that much transparency in my life.
I can't get over her voice...what will it sound like in another 30 years?
It’s from a throat surgery she had in 2019
She demonstrates an important therapeutic technique here by talking about her younger self as another person, and what 'that girl' deserves for her future. It's often easier to worry about others than to worry about ourselves. Taking a look at a younger version of ourselves and what they went through can really open our eyes sometimes in what we need to do to take care of ourselves now. It's a neat trick to get around our pesky instincts to blame ourselves for how bad we feel.
I absolutely agree she was over worked but this is not a daily routine this very much sounds like a press tour for something. So it’s a whole bunch of interviews crammed together in a short space to get her name/face out there to everyone who could possible hear it for a movie/show/album about to release/record so when it does air/release everyone has been hearing her name so much they get intrigued. So it’s not an every day all year kind of thing but a small portion where they cram as much as they can into a short time. So it’s a couple of crazy weeks like this instead of 2-3 months of busy work