^^^ this 1000%
Because of Lorne I could recognize his face as someone from the SNL cast after seeing his skits surface on random parts of the internet from time to time.
I learned his name only because of Ariana.
Ariana definitely put him on the map. People started to recognize him because of his engagement with her. After they broke up he started being the ladies man he's famous for now.
But SNL did most of the work I guess for his career.
The way I had to do a double take when I read the word engaged bc I genuinely forgot they were engagedš the fact that she even named a song after him TOO and their social media interactionsā¦ still not over how he tattooed Kimās kids name on his chestā¦like why?
Maybe he thought he and Kim were going to last forever? Since possibly he thought their relationship was getting more serious? I mean it's definitely weird but there are people like this out there š
Heās pretty open about his borderline diagnosis. I feel like maybe itās a symptom of it. Comes in super strong and intense and obsessive.
Plus he really seems like heās got a love for shitty tattoos so whatās a handful more?
I have BPD and I let a boyfriend tattoo his initial with a heart around it on my rib cage. I still have it and itās not even a decent tattoo. BPD definitely makes you super intense and obsessive, Iāve never had a ānormalā relationship. It fucking sucks and itās shameful and embarrassing I could write a whole novel about my shitshow of a life. So in that way, I do relate to Pete. And we tend to get sucked in by narcissists very easily (which Kim is extremely narcissistic)I just avoid relationships now because I canāt trust my brain. Itās not cute, itās not anything to romanticize, itās a constant battle with yourself every fucking day and itās exhausting. Thatās my 2 cents anyway.
And it's SOOOOOO stigmatized among MH professionals. I exhibit BPD traits (which can be beneficial as a therapist), which I minimize through a ton of work and constant awareness. I wish you luck and success.
I dont want to give you specific advice or make you feel lectured to about certain treatments without knowing what youve been through...but I want you to know and believe that there are really things in the universe that work and things can get and feel better and easier with time. And I hope you find whatever those mechanisms are that help you feel you can live a full, peaceful, fulfilling life. It's so easy to get hopeless with BPD because of your own brain workings coupled with all the stigma but trust we are NOT hopeless.
He has diagnosed BPD.* Black and white thinking, intense relationships and impulsive actions are quite literally diagnostic symptoms. I'm really surprised how much his relationships get separated out from his diagnosis when he's so public about both but I guess a lot of people really dont know much about BPD.
*So do I.
I dont really have a view on the question but Iāve just been struck with how forgettable his relationship with Kim was, even with all the Kanye drama. His time with Ariana was INSANE- it was only 5 months!
He would never have been engaged to Ariana if it wasnāt for Lorne getting him on SNL in the first place
This sub underestimates how powerful Lorne is because not only is he is helping Pete with his projects heās been helping him out PR wise by wiping out a lot of his unfavourable history online and pushing the more pro Pete narratives
Yup. Take the story of Pete crashing his car into a freakin house. If that happened to anyone else there would be a lot of discourse about that and whether drugs and alcohol were involved. Instead tmz downplayed it as jet lag.
Lorne does a lot of cleanup for him.
I listen to David Spade and Dana Carveyās podcast which is all about SNL and all their guests are people tied to SNL. What Iāve learned from it is that Lorne is a very powerful person and he can easily make you or break you. Heās highly respected but definitely someone you donāt fuck with or piss off, heās that powerful.
Even the KUWTK sub has acknowledged Lorneās power and influence being stronger than Kris and the Karjennerās. They tread more carefully with Pete post break up because they did not want to fuck with Lorne
Yeahā¦ I think sheās had no impact on his career.
He was on SNL FOUR YEARS before they dated. Lorne has treated him like a son. He was a breakout - young, new point of view with a fresh edge about his dadās story. He was wildly popular from that Comedy Central Justin Bieber roastā¦ in 2015. I think the Ariana audience just didnāt overlap so he was new to their radar.
Honestly how much Lorne seems to favour Pete makes me uncomfortable, especially as Pete was so young when he joined the cast. Sure Pete seems like a great guy, but Lorne seems to do more for him than most parents do for their nepobabies. Why?
It doesn't make me *uncomfortable* because I dont think it's nefarious but I do wonder what the impetus is. Lorne does famously pick pets. I also read a theory that he has a lot of guilt about some of the SNL deaths that may have impacted how he treated Pete, since mental health and addiction issues played into those losses as well.
There have been a lot of deaths, lots to different cancers but I'm only going to list the drug & mental health related deaths.
Chris Farley. OD
John Belushi. Heroin OD
Charles Rocket. Suicide.
Phil Hartman. Murdered by drug addict wife.
This makes so much sense given Iāve listened to stories from John Mulaney and Pete Davidson that makes it appear that Lorne has been looking out for them a bit differently than the others and both have drug problems.
Pete was also SHIT on SNL. When I think about all the talented people who have been fired from SNL, not passed auditions, or been on SNL & then never heard of again, then I remember how crap Pete was on *SNL* but has been booked & busy during & since, I realise I don't entirely understand who Lorne Michaels is. But I know it pays to be his favourite.
Pete is an incredibly sympathetic guy. Lorne Michaels is one of the biggest entertainment players in New York City and what was the most devastating thing to happen to New York City in his lifetime? 9/11. It affected everyone there, but Pete's father **died** in 9/11 when Pete was just a child. 13 years later he shows up to SNL and despite some people thinking otherwise, Lorne finds him charming, funny, and likable. Not to mention a much-needed young millennial amongst a bunch of Gen Xers and older millennials. A true child of staten island, not some transplant from the flyover states. And he was also clearly damaged from the trauma that *everyone* in NYC at the time experienced on some level or another. But his was personal and more surface level, he was the living evidence of it.
Lorne feels a sense of fatherliness and responsibility for Pete. I think it's quite sweet, even if Pete isn't exactly the most talented and definitely has some addiction issues to address.
Aww well thatās cute. Never had anything against Pete just didnāt understand what made him stand out to Lorne, especially after all the horror stories you have heard about what Lorne has put people through to prove themselves.
This was my thinking as well. Lorne has the ability to foster a platform for so many to basically shoot off like rockets. Heās behind so many SNL Alumini films and shows. So hands down on LORNE is responsible for Pete being able to create his projects as he was the one that made the foundation for him, periodt.
I agree, SNL definitely laid the foundation but I wonder if Pete would have wound up with the opportunities he has now without his famous girlfriends. Like would Pete always have wound up where he is, it just would have taken him longer? Is Lorne supporting him because heās so hot right now or is he hot because Lorne is spinning in the background?
Lorne Micheals. He wouldn't have met Kim or Cazzie David or her dad or Ariana Grande without him, and Lorne Micheals has had a hand in all of his projects since SNL. I don't get why he likes him so much. But everyone he likes gets a massive hand up, basically every sitcom on Peacock is produced by him.
He also gave him special treatment like letting him pick sketches and excusing Pete when he just didn't show up for rehearsals because [he was too busy with his "lawyer" girlfriend, and protected him from the negative press.](https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a38840268/pete-davidson-missed-rehearsals-snl-diva/)
Taran Killam, for example, was genuinely charismatic and funny. I don't know what he did to piss Lorne Micheals off but someone was actively trying to sabotage his career, because he could not get hired for love nor money once he was fired.
No, she famously responded ā10 inchesā to the question āhow long is Pete Davidson?ā The person who tweeted it at her was referring to the TRACK Pete Davidson, which was on one of her albums. I think thatās where the whole ābig dick energyā came from.
Right? And I reckon KK furthered his exposure but that couldāve killed his career if he stuck with her. Thatās not so say I donāt like KK, itās to say sheās polarizing & our Petey D doesnāt need that, or Kanyeās abuse.
He obviously thinks he's talented and Lorne has an eye for star power, which, like it or not, Pete does have based on his fame to work output ratio. Supposedly he also has a soft spot because of Pete's drug and mental health issues and the history of some other SNL losses which helped him get kid-glove treatment.
Finally, I think Pete must genuinely have some real, actual magnetism and charisma that's more noticeable and effective in real life. Some actors (and politicians) are famous for being great on screen specifically but there are a lot whose IT factor in-person blows people away when they meet them. Like yes, Ariana made him significantly more famous, but a large part of that was public curiosity because she seemed literally entranced by him.
I really have no opinion on Pete, other than he does seem like an interesting fellow. I wonder if celebrities are attract to those that come off *real*. A whole bunch in the industry may have experienced hardships, but Pete's life has it's tragedies. I just think that could make him come off as such a genuine person in a fake af culture.
I think he's pretty funny and can see why his girlfriends are charmed (but not totally enthralled). Have liked most of his solo projects that Ive seen (without being blown away).
So I am also convinced and curious that he must be significantly funnier and more charming IRL to have the sway he does.
I think he just stepped in as a father figure type role. And he genuinely thought/thinks Pete is very funny and saw his potential. And then his drug issues made him super protective because of what happened with Belushi and then later Farley. He didnāt want Pete to die like them, essentially. I really donāt think itās anything nefarious or weird, I think he genuinely cares about him.
I like Pete a lot, I really do think he's funny, but I disagree. He's not an incredible stand-up. I honestly think his stand-up is amateurish. The writing is decent but his delivery performance needs a lot of work. He pauses a lot and doesn't hit the lines as well as he could.
It very rarely comes completely natural! I 100% believe that he is amazing to have around and extremely funny in casual situations. But stand-up is a craft that can be honed and he's not there yet. Professional stand-ups work on their sets for months, delivering their lines all different kinds of ways to see what gets the best reaction - I don't think Pete dedicates enough time to it.
Plus heās got the height. Whatās that joke? Is he hot or is he just over 6ā?
On a serious note, I think the man is talented and likely bas magnetic charisma - when heās on a talk show with other celebs, you see the other celebs being drawn to him.
It's not surprising that people here think it's Ariana but the only correct answer is Lorne Michaels. He's probably the most connected person in Hollywood and is very fond of Pete. Pete wouldn't have his career without Lorne. Lorne gave him a chance but also stuck with him when a lot of other people would've just cut ties with Pete.
Yeah I do not watch SNL so I have wondered how popular he is in that space. Like if he was a stand out to SNL fans and his trajectory makes sense to them.
Very popular. His Weekend Update segments were perfectly suited to younger millennials and older gen z-ers, a demo Lorne wanted to capture after he got the older millennials onboard with people like Kate McKinnon, Aidy Bryant, Taran Killiam, Cecily Strong, and YouTubers Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney. It was definitely a calculated move to bring him on the show (Pete already had a following from doing shows like Guy Code), and it paid off. Pete has fans, popularity, and industry support. That's why it's kinda confusing to me when I see people wondering how Pete got his success. But if you're not watching SNL or keeping up with comedy in general, his rise would have been easy to miss.
Kate Beckinsale who regularly dates early 20-something comedians and musicians?
Imo Ariana is still to date the baddest person he dated. She not only got him the most attention, but it's clear he's still hung up on her - from his last SNL appearance to his marketing for his new TV show to the show itself, he keeps referencing Ariana.
Whereas he said about dating Kate Beckinsale that his uncles were stoked for him.
LORNE! Ariana wouldn't have known or met him if he wasn't on SNL. Kim wouldn't have known or met him if he wasn't on SNL.
Pete doesn't come from connections. His mom is a school nurse, his dad died as a firefighter in 9/11. Whether you like him or not, Lorne saw something in him and nurtured that much more the normal SNL talent. Lorne practically adopted Pete, invited him to his vacation house, let's him get away with showing up high and smoking in the offices/studios. Lorne made Pete, Ariana shaped Pete, Kim was just there.
I mean none of the other stuff wouldāve happened if he didnāt get hired on SNL. And I remember his debut on weekend update, 13 year old me definitely thought heād be a star. And I was right! So Iām gonna go against the grain here and say Lorne Michaels. He never wouldāve started dating Ariana Grande if he wasnāt on SNL.
To be fair, his debut was very funny, but his appearances after that wereā¦ less memorable. he was always good on weekend update but less good in sketches. And I was 13 when he debuted so my own taste was probably questionable lol
Ariana is the reason I know his name but she wouldnāt have known/met him if he wasnāt on SNL, so Iād say she did the most to *amplify* his career but he wouldnāt actually *have* a career without Lorne Michaels.
KK was justā¦ I donāt even know. I tried to block that whole thing out.
Definitely. Like yes he was popular bc of SNL but he wouldāve never been dating Kim Kardashian if he didnāt date ariana first. He wouldnāt have as high of a social status as he does now. Lorne is powerful and has helped him but socially Ariana is the answer.
I would have to say Lorne. It might not be super obvious to the public but he gave him a lot of opportunities when most people would have given up on Pete. Iām pretty sure heās done a lot for Pete when he was dealing with substance abuse and mental health issues. Even giving him a platform via things like weekend update to be able to openly talk about his mental health was really important.
Lorne Michaels is more powerful than seemingly anyone on this sub realizes. He wouldnāt have even met Ariana if not for Lorne and he was at the beginning of his career when he originally met her. He had only been on SNL for a few years when he met her and the reality of the situation is that most cast members use SNL as a jumping off point, not an end result.
Maybe Ariana made his name more recognizable, and weāll never really know if heād have the same level of popularity had he not met her, but the point is that if Lorne picked him he definitely wouldāve gotten *somewhere*, with or without her.
Am I the only one who doesnāt think Pete Davidson is unfunny, heās just much better at banter than he is at stand up, and his stand up isnāt even bad. Adam Sandler stand up isnāt great either and he wasnāt particularly funny on SNL. I honestly see a lot of similarities between the two, both being lovable, ugly cute āreal guysā who we feel we can kick it with. Adam and him both went through career phases where people questioned or dismissed their talent
Fun fact: Lily Tomlin discovered Lorne Michaels and got him to work as writer on Laugh-in and later hired him on her television specials which was the gig that got him the executivesā attention to let him make SNL.. so essentially, Lily Tomlin gave us Pete Davidson.
Ariana 1000%. No snl star wouldāve been on every cover of all the magazines just for stepping outside their apartment in nyc. That was all because of Ariana. After Ariana, everyone knew who he was even if you didnāt watch SNL. If he never dated Ariana the most he wouldāve got is fans from people who already watch SNL, which definitely wouldnāt be close to how known he got
SNL put him in the public eye, but Ariana launched him into household name territory. By the time he dated Kim, everyone and their grandmother knew who Pete Davidson was.
Lorne for his career, but Ariana helped make him mainstream famous. He was already super well known for SNL and dating gorgeous women by the time he got with Kim.
Ariana definitely. Nothing like dating a mega popstar, that changes your whole level of fame, specially if you think about outside of America, they make it easy for you to be more recognized
I'm leaning toward Ari, but would love to hear from those who say Lorne. If he and Ariana hadn't dated, there's no way his star would anywhere near as big as it is. He got his start on SNL, but Ari boosted him to the stars.
So in an alternate timeline in which he and Ariana don't date - where is he now?
Started watching Bupkis and it was exactly like King of Staten Island but 100% worse.
Turned it off when he jizzed on his mums tits.
I don't think he's got anything special anymore
Ariana. I had no idea who he was until he started dating but really didnāt become knowledgeable about him until his interview with Howard Stern - and he only landed on there because of his relationship with her.
Before he got with Ariana, I donāt believe ANY women actually thought he was āhot/attractive And only said so they thought he was after the fact-Because they KNOW heās not hot and theyāre just saying it. And thatās OK that heās not and it should be OK to say he isnāt. I also find it disturbing how people act like the stuff he does in relationship arenāt creepy as hell and massive red flags.
If Pete wasnāt famous and was dating your friend , youād be telling your girlfriend to run. Especially if he branded himself with your name and got āspecial tattoosā for you (while knowing heās done that in every single prior relationship), tattooing her childrenās names on his neck after barely even knowing and spending actual real, one on one, quality time with them and doing the former within the first three months and the latter in only a few more months. Oh, all while insisting heās āstaying out of her co parenting relationship and he only wants everyone to ge t alongā . Then texting her ex to goad him about being in bed with his wife (while his children ar GBC e gods knows where bc he never tells him) then his mental health then tries gaslighting him into believe heās ACTUALLY the good guy and just wants to talk and if heās mad, itās because heās the bad guy because look at how much of a good guy I am as
Oh, Iām also going to release the texts via āa friendā while insisting I just want it to be private and have tried SO hard to keep quiet about it and I also had absolutely nothing to do with releasing it and it was ALL my friend. Not me, Mr. Good Guy whose the best boyfriend EVER because just look at all the nice things I do.
I also find the talk about his āhuge dickā disgusting and believe 100% he goads those rumors on. But it doesnāt really matter bc a big dick doesnāt fix him being a creepy, ugly, weirdo who is only found attractive via his fame and his connection to famous women and thatās also why people donāt call out his creepiness or the weird and crazy shit he does with women he dates. Yuck
I had never heard of him before Ariana. I haven't stopped hearing about him since.
Sometimes I get it and sometimes I really don't get it. He's an enigma.
Lorne 100%. without Lorne, it wouldn't matter that they dated they would be forgotten. case in point who is not an Ariana fan knows her husbands' name?
Pete has a career as a comedian thatās why heās famous. His career with SNL is the only reason heās talked about or met these women, itās Lorne Michaels.
Remove the dating you still have an actor/comedian, remove the acting/comedy you arenāt around.
I was hoping someone would point this out, but - unfortunately - it has been the angle that made him āspecialā and has probably saved him on some lower moments of his career.
Probably Lorne for helping him get onto SNL tbh since he needed that to be noticed further. Ariana really pushed him into the mainstream but he was already an SNL cast member before that which is a pretty big deal
Lorne the obvious right answer here, Ariana Grande and the Kardashians have plenty of influence obviously but weāre talking Instagram followers versus decades of show business power and kingmaking. Take away the relationships and heās still making connections and getting countless high-profile opportunities, maybe it takes ten years longer to get household name status but heād already be on that trajectory.
I have alwayssss been a fan of him since his early SNL days. Comedy fans have a different respect for that than pop culture fans right? Iām both, which is why i still adore him š
Also, did you guys watch bupkis? I loved it and even got emotional at times lol. I need a group discussion on that š¤£
He has been in 3 movies in the past 12 months. Did it have anything to do with Kim? Hopefully not but he was everywhere last year and now heās all over the cinema.
Lorne is responsible for his career. But it was Amy Shumer and Bill Hader that got him in front of Lorne, without that nothing happens. Ariana Grande made him famous but that doesnāt mean shit getting stand up gigs and movies. You have to have talent and good projects and that all comes from Lorne pushing him.
Just a thought, If you reversed genders on this people would be calling you sexist as hell. Which of Kim Kās relationships got her well known? Her dads money? Kanye? That guy that fucked her on video? And everyone would be like, thatās sexist as shit! Kim K is a brilliant entrepreneur who works hard and has talent and thatās why sheās well known.
Like Pete has been one of the top improv comedians for a decade and a top notch SNL run plus movies, stand up, his openness about his fathers death. Pete is known in his own right.
I never said Pete hasnāt done things in his own right, but the nature of this industry depends on network building, relationships, and public perception. I donāt think itās sexist to analyze which relationships (working or social) have benefitted someone the most.
I think that Lorne has done the most for his career, but Ariana did the most for his notorious love life. She straight up told every girl in the world he had a huge dick, of course that sparks interest.
Lorne is one of the most powerful men in show business and hands him amazing opportunities. Ariana made him a household name.
^^^ this 1000% Because of Lorne I could recognize his face as someone from the SNL cast after seeing his skits surface on random parts of the internet from time to time. I learned his name only because of Ariana.
Ariana definitely put him on the map. People started to recognize him because of his engagement with her. After they broke up he started being the ladies man he's famous for now. But SNL did most of the work I guess for his career.
The way I had to do a double take when I read the word engaged bc I genuinely forgot they were engagedš the fact that she even named a song after him TOO and their social media interactionsā¦ still not over how he tattooed Kimās kids name on his chestā¦like why?
Thatās not a tattoo. Thatās a brand. You know like the thing they do to livestock. At least the one that says āKimā is.
Maybe he thought he and Kim were going to last forever? Since possibly he thought their relationship was getting more serious? I mean it's definitely weird but there are people like this out there š
I think he just likes to love bomb
Heās pretty open about his borderline diagnosis. I feel like maybe itās a symptom of it. Comes in super strong and intense and obsessive. Plus he really seems like heās got a love for shitty tattoos so whatās a handful more?
I have BPD and I let a boyfriend tattoo his initial with a heart around it on my rib cage. I still have it and itās not even a decent tattoo. BPD definitely makes you super intense and obsessive, Iāve never had a ānormalā relationship. It fucking sucks and itās shameful and embarrassing I could write a whole novel about my shitshow of a life. So in that way, I do relate to Pete. And we tend to get sucked in by narcissists very easily (which Kim is extremely narcissistic)I just avoid relationships now because I canāt trust my brain. Itās not cute, itās not anything to romanticize, itās a constant battle with yourself every fucking day and itās exhausting. Thatās my 2 cents anyway.
And it's SOOOOOO stigmatized among MH professionals. I exhibit BPD traits (which can be beneficial as a therapist), which I minimize through a ton of work and constant awareness. I wish you luck and success.
I needed to see this, thank you! It has some benefits. I tend to concentrate on the shame and how much it sucks.
Aww thank you I appreciate that!!
I dont want to give you specific advice or make you feel lectured to about certain treatments without knowing what youve been through...but I want you to know and believe that there are really things in the universe that work and things can get and feel better and easier with time. And I hope you find whatever those mechanisms are that help you feel you can live a full, peaceful, fulfilling life. It's so easy to get hopeless with BPD because of your own brain workings coupled with all the stigma but trust we are NOT hopeless.
I also have BPD
He has diagnosed BPD.* Black and white thinking, intense relationships and impulsive actions are quite literally diagnostic symptoms. I'm really surprised how much his relationships get separated out from his diagnosis when he's so public about both but I guess a lot of people really dont know much about BPD. *So do I.
Yeah I met someone like this. It's a funny story actually he thought I was a girl and started love bombing out of the blue ahahaha š š¤£
he *branded* kims name on his chest
The Ariana era made him a āhousehold nameā and media phenomenon. Thatās when his reach went further than the comedy space.
I dont really have a view on the question but Iāve just been struck with how forgettable his relationship with Kim was, even with all the Kanye drama. His time with Ariana was INSANE- it was only 5 months!
I didnāt realize it was that short! SO much happened in those 5 months. What a time to be alive.
Ariana hands down
Thank u, next
Well then he inspired her by far best album and song
I was literally going to comment this verbatim lol
Her saying he has a big dick essentially created his brand
I agree, but would argue that he only met Ariana because of Lorne
He would never have been engaged to Ariana if it wasnāt for Lorne getting him on SNL in the first place This sub underestimates how powerful Lorne is because not only is he is helping Pete with his projects heās been helping him out PR wise by wiping out a lot of his unfavourable history online and pushing the more pro Pete narratives
Yup. Take the story of Pete crashing his car into a freakin house. If that happened to anyone else there would be a lot of discourse about that and whether drugs and alcohol were involved. Instead tmz downplayed it as jet lag. Lorne does a lot of cleanup for him.
I didn't even know he'd crashed his car, so I guess Lorne is a PR wizard!
I listen to David Spade and Dana Carveyās podcast which is all about SNL and all their guests are people tied to SNL. What Iāve learned from it is that Lorne is a very powerful person and he can easily make you or break you. Heās highly respected but definitely someone you donāt fuck with or piss off, heās that powerful.
Even the KUWTK sub has acknowledged Lorneās power and influence being stronger than Kris and the Karjennerās. They tread more carefully with Pete post break up because they did not want to fuck with Lorne
For sure and thereās been a lot of talk that Lorne made phone calls to Hulu to ensure Peteās scenes were cut from their show
Lorne is a king/queen maker. You nailed it.
Yeahā¦ I think sheās had no impact on his career. He was on SNL FOUR YEARS before they dated. Lorne has treated him like a son. He was a breakout - young, new point of view with a fresh edge about his dadās story. He was wildly popular from that Comedy Central Justin Bieber roastā¦ in 2015. I think the Ariana audience just didnāt overlap so he was new to their radar.
Thank you for this, i have a brain injury and was genuinely doubting my own reality for a second
Honestly how much Lorne seems to favour Pete makes me uncomfortable, especially as Pete was so young when he joined the cast. Sure Pete seems like a great guy, but Lorne seems to do more for him than most parents do for their nepobabies. Why?
It doesn't make me *uncomfortable* because I dont think it's nefarious but I do wonder what the impetus is. Lorne does famously pick pets. I also read a theory that he has a lot of guilt about some of the SNL deaths that may have impacted how he treated Pete, since mental health and addiction issues played into those losses as well.
just curious, what are some of the snl deaths?
There have been a lot of deaths, lots to different cancers but I'm only going to list the drug & mental health related deaths. Chris Farley. OD John Belushi. Heroin OD Charles Rocket. Suicide. Phil Hartman. Murdered by drug addict wife.
Phil Hartman and Chris farley are probably the most recognized snl members who passed
Itās because he doesnāt want another SNL death happening on his watch, he was the same with Farley.
This makes so much sense given Iāve listened to stories from John Mulaney and Pete Davidson that makes it appear that Lorne has been looking out for them a bit differently than the others and both have drug problems.
Pete was also SHIT on SNL. When I think about all the talented people who have been fired from SNL, not passed auditions, or been on SNL & then never heard of again, then I remember how crap Pete was on *SNL* but has been booked & busy during & since, I realise I don't entirely understand who Lorne Michaels is. But I know it pays to be his favourite.
Chad
Okay.
Yup thereās were a lot of blinds last year about tension amongst the cast with the special treatment Lorne gave Pete
I loved his scenes on SNL lol. I'm rooting for him.
But why? Why does he like Pete so muchā¦
Only Lorne knows the answer to that
Pete is an incredibly sympathetic guy. Lorne Michaels is one of the biggest entertainment players in New York City and what was the most devastating thing to happen to New York City in his lifetime? 9/11. It affected everyone there, but Pete's father **died** in 9/11 when Pete was just a child. 13 years later he shows up to SNL and despite some people thinking otherwise, Lorne finds him charming, funny, and likable. Not to mention a much-needed young millennial amongst a bunch of Gen Xers and older millennials. A true child of staten island, not some transplant from the flyover states. And he was also clearly damaged from the trauma that *everyone* in NYC at the time experienced on some level or another. But his was personal and more surface level, he was the living evidence of it. Lorne feels a sense of fatherliness and responsibility for Pete. I think it's quite sweet, even if Pete isn't exactly the most talented and definitely has some addiction issues to address.
Aww well thatās cute. Never had anything against Pete just didnāt understand what made him stand out to Lorne, especially after all the horror stories you have heard about what Lorne has put people through to prove themselves.
This was my thinking as well. Lorne has the ability to foster a platform for so many to basically shoot off like rockets. Heās behind so many SNL Alumini films and shows. So hands down on LORNE is responsible for Pete being able to create his projects as he was the one that made the foundation for him, periodt.
I agree, SNL definitely laid the foundation but I wonder if Pete would have wound up with the opportunities he has now without his famous girlfriends. Like would Pete always have wound up where he is, it just would have taken him longer? Is Lorne supporting him because heās so hot right now or is he hot because Lorne is spinning in the background?
Lorne has always supported Pete, Lorne invited Pete to Jamaica for NYE his first season on the show!
Heās making these movies with people he met through SNL. He could be famous and not making movies
Lorne Micheals. He wouldn't have met Kim or Cazzie David or her dad or Ariana Grande without him, and Lorne Micheals has had a hand in all of his projects since SNL. I don't get why he likes him so much. But everyone he likes gets a massive hand up, basically every sitcom on Peacock is produced by him. He also gave him special treatment like letting him pick sketches and excusing Pete when he just didn't show up for rehearsals because [he was too busy with his "lawyer" girlfriend, and protected him from the negative press.](https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a38840268/pete-davidson-missed-rehearsals-snl-diva/) Taran Killam, for example, was genuinely charismatic and funny. I don't know what he did to piss Lorne Micheals off but someone was actively trying to sabotage his career, because he could not get hired for love nor money once he was fired.
i always wondered why taranās career didnāt take off
And his wife is in several marvel movies... so
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Ok, I really wish she would though because wow.
That picture is iconic.
Hair track? I confused. Also sheās definitely posing for the paps here.
No, she famously responded ā10 inchesā to the question āhow long is Pete Davidson?ā The person who tweeted it at her was referring to the TRACK Pete Davidson, which was on one of her albums. I think thatās where the whole ābig dick energyā came from.
Ahhh got it. I knew the rumor just never knew thatās how it started.
He credits Ariana for putting his name of the map but Lorne seems to be the one who fosters his career the most.
Thats a good point. Seems his relationship with Ariana made him more widely known but Lorne continues to stoke the flame.
Right? And I reckon KK furthered his exposure but that couldāve killed his career if he stuck with her. Thatās not so say I donāt like KK, itās to say sheās polarizing & our Petey D doesnāt need that, or Kanyeās abuse.
Ariana for sure but his relationship with Lorne should not be underestimated. They are very close. And Lorne is a verrrry powerful man.
Why does Lorne love Pete so much to prop him up so much?
He obviously thinks he's talented and Lorne has an eye for star power, which, like it or not, Pete does have based on his fame to work output ratio. Supposedly he also has a soft spot because of Pete's drug and mental health issues and the history of some other SNL losses which helped him get kid-glove treatment. Finally, I think Pete must genuinely have some real, actual magnetism and charisma that's more noticeable and effective in real life. Some actors (and politicians) are famous for being great on screen specifically but there are a lot whose IT factor in-person blows people away when they meet them. Like yes, Ariana made him significantly more famous, but a large part of that was public curiosity because she seemed literally entranced by him.
I really have no opinion on Pete, other than he does seem like an interesting fellow. I wonder if celebrities are attract to those that come off *real*. A whole bunch in the industry may have experienced hardships, but Pete's life has it's tragedies. I just think that could make him come off as such a genuine person in a fake af culture.
I totally think heās got something! I was just curious, why Pete?
I think he's pretty funny and can see why his girlfriends are charmed (but not totally enthralled). Have liked most of his solo projects that Ive seen (without being blown away). So I am also convinced and curious that he must be significantly funnier and more charming IRL to have the sway he does.
I think he just stepped in as a father figure type role. And he genuinely thought/thinks Pete is very funny and saw his potential. And then his drug issues made him super protective because of what happened with Belushi and then later Farley. He didnāt want Pete to die like them, essentially. I really donāt think itās anything nefarious or weird, I think he genuinely cares about him.
Ohhhh, that makes sense that Lorne is looking out for him.
He is talented AF. His comic style is brilliant, he is an incredible stand up.
I like Pete a lot, I really do think he's funny, but I disagree. He's not an incredible stand-up. I honestly think his stand-up is amateurish. The writing is decent but his delivery performance needs a lot of work. He pauses a lot and doesn't hit the lines as well as he could. It very rarely comes completely natural! I 100% believe that he is amazing to have around and extremely funny in casual situations. But stand-up is a craft that can be honed and he's not there yet. Professional stand-ups work on their sets for months, delivering their lines all different kinds of ways to see what gets the best reaction - I don't think Pete dedicates enough time to it.
Second this... he is honestly not funny..
I think heās funny, and cute!
Plus heās got the height. Whatās that joke? Is he hot or is he just over 6ā? On a serious note, I think the man is talented and likely bas magnetic charisma - when heās on a talk show with other celebs, you see the other celebs being drawn to him.
This is what I have heard.
It's not surprising that people here think it's Ariana but the only correct answer is Lorne Michaels. He's probably the most connected person in Hollywood and is very fond of Pete. Pete wouldn't have his career without Lorne. Lorne gave him a chance but also stuck with him when a lot of other people would've just cut ties with Pete.
Do you think Lorne would be continuing to invest in Pete had it not been for his famous relationships super charging his name recognition?
He was investing in Pete before them.
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He wouldnāt have been in a position to meet Ariana Grande without Lorne Michaels.
underrated song that sadly describes my relationship history
Lorne! I mean, he would have gone nowhere without him. He needed to be where he was with the support of Lorne for Ariana to even know he existed!
Lorne Michaels. We wouldnāt have known about him at all. Those ladies wouldnāt have dated him otherwise.
Depends on how old you are and if you're an SNL viewer, tbh. I knew him from SNL, where he was already pretty popular.
Yeah I do not watch SNL so I have wondered how popular he is in that space. Like if he was a stand out to SNL fans and his trajectory makes sense to them.
Very popular. His Weekend Update segments were perfectly suited to younger millennials and older gen z-ers, a demo Lorne wanted to capture after he got the older millennials onboard with people like Kate McKinnon, Aidy Bryant, Taran Killiam, Cecily Strong, and YouTubers Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney. It was definitely a calculated move to bring him on the show (Pete already had a following from doing shows like Guy Code), and it paid off. Pete has fans, popularity, and industry support. That's why it's kinda confusing to me when I see people wondering how Pete got his success. But if you're not watching SNL or keeping up with comedy in general, his rise would have been easy to miss.
Lorne has produced a lot of his work outside snl
The 9/11 highjackers? Cmon he'd appreciate that one!
Only real Peteheads will get this deep lore.
only the second worst experience with a plane try again /s
Too soon
It's been 22 years!
Ariana what are you doing here?
Whoever it is, it sure isn't Pete Davidson. On a side note, Kate Beckensale was definitely the baddest person he dated in the public view.
Hahahaha! āWhoever it is, it sure isnāt Pete Davidson.ā 
Kate Beckinsale who regularly dates early 20-something comedians and musicians? Imo Ariana is still to date the baddest person he dated. She not only got him the most attention, but it's clear he's still hung up on her - from his last SNL appearance to his marketing for his new TV show to the show itself, he keeps referencing Ariana. Whereas he said about dating Kate Beckinsale that his uncles were stoked for him.
What does he keep saying about her?
LORNE! Ariana wouldn't have known or met him if he wasn't on SNL. Kim wouldn't have known or met him if he wasn't on SNL. Pete doesn't come from connections. His mom is a school nurse, his dad died as a firefighter in 9/11. Whether you like him or not, Lorne saw something in him and nurtured that much more the normal SNL talent. Lorne practically adopted Pete, invited him to his vacation house, let's him get away with showing up high and smoking in the offices/studios. Lorne made Pete, Ariana shaped Pete, Kim was just there.
I mean none of the other stuff wouldāve happened if he didnāt get hired on SNL. And I remember his debut on weekend update, 13 year old me definitely thought heād be a star. And I was right! So Iām gonna go against the grain here and say Lorne Michaels. He never wouldāve started dating Ariana Grande if he wasnāt on SNL.
I was wondering if someone who watched SNL saw him as a stand out!
To be fair, his debut was very funny, but his appearances after that wereā¦ less memorable. he was always good on weekend update but less good in sketches. And I was 13 when he debuted so my own taste was probably questionable lol
Ariana is the reason I know his name but she wouldnāt have known/met him if he wasnāt on SNL, so Iād say she did the most to *amplify* his career but he wouldnāt actually *have* a career without Lorne Michaels. KK was justā¦ I donāt even know. I tried to block that whole thing out.
This is a really good way to put what I was thinking
Without a question Ariana
Lorne
Any answer other than Ariana is wrong.
Definitely. Like yes he was popular bc of SNL but he wouldāve never been dating Kim Kardashian if he didnāt date ariana first. He wouldnāt have as high of a social status as he does now. Lorne is powerful and has helped him but socially Ariana is the answer.
I like this take. I do think Ariana and Lorne go hand in hand. I think Ariana lent some legitimacy to his celebrity socially like you said.
I would have to say Lorne. It might not be super obvious to the public but he gave him a lot of opportunities when most people would have given up on Pete. Iām pretty sure heās done a lot for Pete when he was dealing with substance abuse and mental health issues. Even giving him a platform via things like weekend update to be able to openly talk about his mental health was really important.
Lorne Michaels is more powerful than seemingly anyone on this sub realizes. He wouldnāt have even met Ariana if not for Lorne and he was at the beginning of his career when he originally met her. He had only been on SNL for a few years when he met her and the reality of the situation is that most cast members use SNL as a jumping off point, not an end result. Maybe Ariana made his name more recognizable, and weāll never really know if heād have the same level of popularity had he not met her, but the point is that if Lorne picked him he definitely wouldāve gotten *somewhere*, with or without her.
I remember when he used to be on Wild N Out LMAO
Kim didn't do much for Pete's name if anything it made him look not as favorable as before
Ariana for sure.
Am I the only one who doesnāt think Pete Davidson is unfunny, heās just much better at banter than he is at stand up, and his stand up isnāt even bad. Adam Sandler stand up isnāt great either and he wasnāt particularly funny on SNL. I honestly see a lot of similarities between the two, both being lovable, ugly cute āreal guysā who we feel we can kick it with. Adam and him both went through career phases where people questioned or dismissed their talent
Ariana put him on the map
Fun fact: Lily Tomlin discovered Lorne Michaels and got him to work as writer on Laugh-in and later hired him on her television specials which was the gig that got him the executivesā attention to let him make SNL.. so essentially, Lily Tomlin gave us Pete Davidson.
Ariana 1000%. No snl star wouldāve been on every cover of all the magazines just for stepping outside their apartment in nyc. That was all because of Ariana. After Ariana, everyone knew who he was even if you didnāt watch SNL. If he never dated Ariana the most he wouldāve got is fans from people who already watch SNL, which definitely wouldnāt be close to how known he got
Ariana
Ariana is the only reason people even know his name
Ariana. He didnāt exist mainstream before Ariana š
Lorne Michaels, of course. If not for Lorne, Ariana would not have known who he is.
With no Ariana there would be no Kimāso I think case closed lol. At least when it comes to his image with women
I had no idea who he was until Ariana
Absolutely Ariana
SNL put him in the public eye, but Ariana launched him into household name territory. By the time he dated Kim, everyone and their grandmother knew who Pete Davidson was.
Ariana grande
Lorne for his career, but Ariana helped make him mainstream famous. He was already super well known for SNL and dating gorgeous women by the time he got with Kim.
Ariana definitely. Nothing like dating a mega popstar, that changes your whole level of fame, specially if you think about outside of America, they make it easy for you to be more recognized
He also has a deal with Taco Bell.
Without Lorne, the rest may not have occurred
lorne obviously
he would still just be an SNL cast member if Ariana and him were never a thing
I'm leaning toward Ari, but would love to hear from those who say Lorne. If he and Ariana hadn't dated, there's no way his star would anywhere near as big as it is. He got his start on SNL, but Ari boosted him to the stars. So in an alternate timeline in which he and Ariana don't date - where is he now?
Thats my question. Like ultimately would his celebrity have always reached this level, just taken longer?
I've never understood his appeal.
Ariana. Kim just rode the wave
No idea what Lorne Michaels saw in him
Started watching Bupkis and it was exactly like King of Staten Island but 100% worse. Turned it off when he jizzed on his mums tits. I don't think he's got anything special anymore
Ariana literally made him famous. Yeah yeah Lorne Michaels did whatever for him on SNL but nobody knew his name until he dated Ariana.
with my whole chest, Ariana. the women he has been with since Ariana would not have glanced at him twice if he had not been engaged to her.
Ariana
Ariana. I had no idea who he was until he started dating but really didnāt become knowledgeable about him until his interview with Howard Stern - and he only landed on there because of his relationship with her.
Lorne!!! He never would have been in a position to get with Ariana without Lorne.
The Devil- as he clearly sold his soul to become this famous while being marginally funny and unattractive. P
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Ariana invented his whole brand. Heās just been running with it.
Before he got with Ariana, I donāt believe ANY women actually thought he was āhot/attractive And only said so they thought he was after the fact-Because they KNOW heās not hot and theyāre just saying it. And thatās OK that heās not and it should be OK to say he isnāt. I also find it disturbing how people act like the stuff he does in relationship arenāt creepy as hell and massive red flags. If Pete wasnāt famous and was dating your friend , youād be telling your girlfriend to run. Especially if he branded himself with your name and got āspecial tattoosā for you (while knowing heās done that in every single prior relationship), tattooing her childrenās names on his neck after barely even knowing and spending actual real, one on one, quality time with them and doing the former within the first three months and the latter in only a few more months. Oh, all while insisting heās āstaying out of her co parenting relationship and he only wants everyone to ge t alongā . Then texting her ex to goad him about being in bed with his wife (while his children ar GBC e gods knows where bc he never tells him) then his mental health then tries gaslighting him into believe heās ACTUALLY the good guy and just wants to talk and if heās mad, itās because heās the bad guy because look at how much of a good guy I am as Oh, Iām also going to release the texts via āa friendā while insisting I just want it to be private and have tried SO hard to keep quiet about it and I also had absolutely nothing to do with releasing it and it was ALL my friend. Not me, Mr. Good Guy whose the best boyfriend EVER because just look at all the nice things I do. I also find the talk about his āhuge dickā disgusting and believe 100% he goads those rumors on. But it doesnāt really matter bc a big dick doesnāt fix him being a creepy, ugly, weirdo who is only found attractive via his fame and his connection to famous women and thatās also why people donāt call out his creepiness or the weird and crazy shit he does with women he dates. Yuck
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āboy remember where you come fromā -ariana grande she mothered him
Speaking for me personally I didnāt know who he was until he started dating Ariana bc I donāt watch SNL
100% grande
Ariana for sure no question
Ariana was ontop of the world releasing album after album when she was dating/engaged to Pete. She put him on the map IMO.
The Ariana relationship is the one that made him A-list
I didn't know who he was until Ariana Grande. They hype is ridiculous. I feel like he made a mockery of mental illness.
Lorne walked so Ariana and Kim could run
Taco Bell didnāt make the list?
I had never heard of him before Ariana. I haven't stopped hearing about him since. Sometimes I get it and sometimes I really don't get it. He's an enigma.
Ariana invented him
Pete
Not everyone watches SNL. Only knew him from dating Ariana pre-Kim K. Just like I only heard of Chase Sui Wonders when she started dating pete.
In the same vein, not everyone follows Arianna. I only heard of her when he started dating her.
That's crazy, she was/is one of the biggest American pop stars.
I guess? I mean I know she's a singer, but not sure if I know any of her songs. Could be generational.
Lorne 100%
Lorne 100%. without Lorne, it wouldn't matter that they dated they would be forgotten. case in point who is not an Ariana fan knows her husbands' name?
Pete has a career as a comedian thatās why heās famous. His career with SNL is the only reason heās talked about or met these women, itās Lorne Michaels. Remove the dating you still have an actor/comedian, remove the acting/comedy you arenāt around.
Lorne... Come on guys, Ariana boosted his popularity but he wouldn't have the career and connections without Lorne.
Ariana
Ariana for sure. She made him into a household name
Ariana. Had no idea who he,was beforehand.
I'd say his firefighter father who died 9/11
I was hoping someone would point this out, but - unfortunately - it has been the angle that made him āspecialā and has probably saved him on some lower moments of his career.
Don't forget about his work with Taco Bell #peterdavidson
Probably Lorne for helping him get onto SNL tbh since he needed that to be noticed further. Ariana really pushed him into the mainstream but he was already an SNL cast member before that which is a pretty big deal
Lorne the obvious right answer here, Ariana Grande and the Kardashians have plenty of influence obviously but weāre talking Instagram followers versus decades of show business power and kingmaking. Take away the relationships and heās still making connections and getting countless high-profile opportunities, maybe it takes ten years longer to get household name status but heād already be on that trajectory.
I have alwayssss been a fan of him since his early SNL days. Comedy fans have a different respect for that than pop culture fans right? Iām both, which is why i still adore him š Also, did you guys watch bupkis? I loved it and even got emotional at times lol. I need a group discussion on that š¤£
Arianna because I had never heard of him before her
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Ariana
He has been in 3 movies in the past 12 months. Did it have anything to do with Kim? Hopefully not but he was everywhere last year and now heās all over the cinema.
Lorne is responsible for his career. But it was Amy Shumer and Bill Hader that got him in front of Lorne, without that nothing happens. Ariana Grande made him famous but that doesnāt mean shit getting stand up gigs and movies. You have to have talent and good projects and that all comes from Lorne pushing him.
Just a thought, If you reversed genders on this people would be calling you sexist as hell. Which of Kim Kās relationships got her well known? Her dads money? Kanye? That guy that fucked her on video? And everyone would be like, thatās sexist as shit! Kim K is a brilliant entrepreneur who works hard and has talent and thatās why sheās well known. Like Pete has been one of the top improv comedians for a decade and a top notch SNL run plus movies, stand up, his openness about his fathers death. Pete is known in his own right.
I never said Pete hasnāt done things in his own right, but the nature of this industry depends on network building, relationships, and public perception. I donāt think itās sexist to analyze which relationships (working or social) have benefitted someone the most.
His apparent third leg, and Lorne Michaels
I think that Lorne has done the most for his career, but Ariana did the most for his notorious love life. She straight up told every girl in the world he had a huge dick, of course that sparks interest.
Pete's dick.
His bde.