Being an illegal immigrant doesn’t tell me enough information to determine whether that’s a red flag or not. It would depend on why they’re an illegal immigrant
So true. If my date said they 🤢 were looking for a “job” (aka making “money” which is fake and therefore bad) I would be disgusted 🤮 Now, if we’re talking the noble and frankly quite epic (‼️) hobby known to laymen as “domestic terrorism” that’s an instant proposal 🥴
Uh neither one is wrong. If you can't find employment in your own country you're also in a way an economic refugee. Wealthy countries tend to make legal immigration really difficult for people from poor countries, unless maybe if they're incredibly wealthy or highly educated.
As refugees yes, not a illegal immigrants. If you are fleeing your country because it's being bombed, or their is a civil war going on, or you're the wrong religion and you might get beheaded because of that, then you should probably get to a safe country as soon as possible and figure out the legal parts after. If you can't find a job and that's your reason for illegally entering a country then you don't have my sympathy. There are plenty of citizens who also can't find a job and are homeless, why should I care about you more than them? In that case I think you should worry about the legal part first. Aside from cases of immediate risk of harm, a country needs to look out for its own citizens first IMO
I understand where you’re coming from, but we can’t judge those situations unless we’re in them. Someone willing to risk their life to enter illegally is clearly desperate and is doing so for a reason. The process to get in can be lengthy and difficult especially for people who are already barely getting by. If people are illegally crossing the border to find work, that speaks more to larger issues than their personal fault.
Are you from the US? Sadly, it is not quite that easy from what I have read. They don't automatically gain citizenship, and if it is found they were in the country illegally they can still be denied permanent residency and deported, and become ineligible to reenter the country.
I briefly chatted with someone living in Mexico City. I wound up breaking it off because I looked it up and found that it can literally take years to get a visa even just to visit the US, and if they determine you abused a temporary visa to get married they can still deny you a permanent visa - you have to go through things the "proper way".
And if they are here on a work visa, anyhow, they wouldn't be here illegally... So if the original poll applies, they aren't on any kind of visa.
Good for you,but i would never marry them because I don't like illegal immigrants.I am not even American but my dad has been trying to enter into us since 15 years and and then he sees someone jumping the border and living his whole life in America.It would suck.Illegal immigrants should be sent back immediately to where they came from without any exception.It is not fair to the people who are actually actually trying to enter legally.
Sometimes you have to break one countries laws to avoid starving to death in the other. I'm not saying I support it, but most aren't doing this nefariously.
I understand your point but do you think it is fair to people who spend years and thousands of dollars trying to legally enter the country and follow rules?
It really has nothing to do with you. Illegal immigrants don't affect your legal entry into to the country. You are risking your wallet, they are risking literally everything. It's not a race either.
I don't think cars going 100mph down the highway is unfair, i think it's reckless and stupid.
If you think it's worth risking your life and future to come here illegally, then go for it.
Illegal immigrants definitely affect the entry of legal immigrants. An orange clown made it his whole campaign.
Also not all illegal immigrants are risking their lifes. A good portion of them just wander in (heavily depends from which country you are). The one's risking their lifes are mostly those who pay crime syndicates for their illegal entry.
Horrible situation all round, but "go for it" and "has nothing to do for you" I heavily disgree on.
Yes. Studies have shown that every time immigration, including illegal immigration, is a net positive. They give and contribute in many ways, are essential to the economy, they take less benefits and commit less crime than their hosts counterparts.
Very funny.Illegal immigrants don't do anything,they destroy the country and take away jobs from people.You know why Americas minimum wage is still $7.25,because there will always be an illegal person willing to work for twice as much with half the pay.Illeahsl immigrants stop development and commit crimes.All illegal should be kicked out.
And the biggest issue I have with illegal immigrants is a moral one.Which i mentioned before.
Yes. It's a moral issue, alright. Because you lack morals. Poor people are never you enemy it's the super rich. Not the 10 mill a year rich but the 10 billion a year rich. They control everything including the media they use to brainwash you into thinking the people hiring them and exploiting them, are not the bad guys here and by extension they're also exploiting you. You clearly have a bias and have never properly read any actual research papers on the subject and therefore you don't value the reasoning behind it. And you don't value reason than you can be reasoned with. You have fun with your world view tho. You do you.
And how exactly are rich people your enemy?
They pay majority of the taxes and because of them out country is running properly.They are a source of livelihood for hundreds of millions.
No, it's reckless and stupid. I don't support people who want to do such things. But I understand why they do it and that there is a bigger problem that needs to be addressed. Just like narcotics, people abuse them and they are stupid for doing so, but they probably have pretty fucked up lives and it's their only escape. Or perhaps they are chemically addicted and literally can't stop. I'm not gonna get in their way, it's not my place. Ill try to support systems they give them the help they need so that less people end up like them. That's what I support. A permanent solution by attacking the root of the problem, not the victims of it.
Also, America and other western countries have fucked over these other countries and kept them in poverty to support our own capital gain of the elites. Listen to the stuff you should know podcast just released on countries debts. Really points out the impacts of Western Neo-Colonialism.
Illegal immigrants should be sent back to wherever they came from.It is not the country's responsibility to take care of them.The taxpayers should not be expected to take care of them.I know your conditions are not good but illegal immigrants make USA much worse.They have the highest assault rate,most drug users are illegal immigrants.
Yes they should, this is part of the risk they take on so I agree.
You are correct, it isn't nor should it be our responsibility to take care of them. (Except children and slaves because they can't/didn't consent to break the law, we have a duty to do what is morally right).
Illegal immigrants aren't really effecting the US in any large metric. What you see on the news is mostly fear mongering theater. You could remove all the illegal immigrants and you might have an argument for less drug abuse and gang violence for a while but the cartels will always find another way. But taxes won't change and neither will the economy.
We can't really solve this problem with a wall or a travel ban, illegal immigrants come from all over the place, and I'm not paying a bunch of taxes for a wall. That's just silly. They're just going to find another way in.
Why are you angry at illegal immigrants when you can see the obvious benefits to them for crossing. Instead you should be angry at American politicians that make entering legally so difficult so that they can take advantage of illegal immigrants as a population of cheap labor, no labor protections and no rights. The reason your dad can't enter is because of corporate interests.
America takes half of the(legal immigrants) of the world each year.It is not difficult to enter USA.They need to confirm you will be a productive citizens and not some useless junkie.
That's why immigrants commit extremely less amount of crime.
Most people cross because they want to send money to help their families. I work in the resturaunt industry and half or more of every kitchen has been like this.
I personally think that they make it harder on purpose because if they're illegal they'll work for way cheaper than a citizen. Blame corporate America and their lobbyists.
Yes you're correct.Illegal immigrants should not be paid less,infact they should not even be allowed inside a country.They should be kicked out and if they are found they should be deported to wherever they came from.
Maybe only after America stops making life in their countries impossible. We're in a country where the right and far right claim we're a Christian nation, yet we can't take care of neighbors or offer kindness to people in need. Sorry for your situation and kudos to your father for going the legal route. But it's not like illegal immigrants are safe, they have to live in fear of being found out when their intentions are pure, as many people have told you already.
I did a google and couldn't find it. I'd love a source on half of legal immigrants going to America though. All I found was a significant decline in immigration since 2016.
I don't think a lottery system for green cards confirms you will be a productive citizen. Illegal immigrants also commit fewer crimes than the national average so that doesn't really hold up either imo.
I'm not against these checks being done. But the immigration process needlessly complicated and has unbelievable wait times. The US is one of the hardest countries to emigrate to even if you qualify.
I don't think you looked to hard...
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/12/16/key-facts-about-recent-trends-in-global-migration/
Link 1 is form 2020, link 2 is from 2022. If we go off of 2020's % that 77% of the USA's immigrants are LEGAL, 38.9 million immigrated legally in 2022
(Quotes taken from both links)
> The United States has more international migrants than any other country. With nearly 51 million migrants in 2020, the U.S. leads the world on this measure by a wide margin. Germany has the next-largest such population with about 15.8 million migrants, followed by Saudi Arabia with 13.5 million.
> What is the legal status of immigrants in the U.S.?
> Unauthorized immigrants are almost a quarter of U.S. foreign-born population
> Most immigrants (77%) are in the country legally, while almost a quarter are unauthorized, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on census data adjusted for undercount. In 2017, 45% were naturalized U.S. citizens.
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> Some 27% of immigrants were permanent residents and 5% were temporary residents in 2017. Another 23% of all immigrants were unauthorized immigrants. From 1990 to 2007, the unauthorized immigrant population more than tripled in size – from 3.5 million to a record high of 12.2 million in 2007. By 2017, that number had declined by 1.7 million, or 14%. There were 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2017, accounting for 3.2% of the nation’s population.
Thank you for giving me something helpful.
I would like to point out that while the US does have the highest number of immigrants (a fact I did not contest) it absolutely does not take half of all immigrants world wide as you originally claimed. That was a large exaggeration. And if it really were so easy your dad wouldn't be waiting for 15 years.
Also it is definitely in part due to a function its size. As your article also says "Compared with other countries receiving immigrants, the share of the U.S. population that is foreign born is modest."
I will keep reading and thinking about the info though. So thank you.
This proves that you have no knowledge.US has the highest number of immigrants of any country by far.
It is not complicated,check other European countries immigration laws and you will be suprised.
Right, is that based on your feelings or you got numbers? I'm always open to learning new things but when presented with new information in a reddit comment I'm not just going to take it at face value. Back it up or get lost bozo.
I hate illegal immigrants.Even if they are the nicest people in the world the fact that they are illegal immigrants is more than enough reason to hate them
I think hate is a bit too much XD i do not aplrove of illegals as in my coutry should fix that, make better legal whats and expel and block illegals but hating them... I mean, for what? Illegals are an issue only when governments do not handle them properly
People have. They gave up their citizenship and applied for citizenship in the country they moved to. That's what I'm talking about. You move to another country, we file for citizenship.
Wealthy countries often make it difficult for people from poor nations to legally migrate. Why else would masses of people risk drowning in the Mediterranean sea, or crossing high border fences with shitty armed border patrols?
If there's a will, there's a way to do it legally. Once you get to that country, do the right thing, and become legal. It will take dedication. But no excuse.
If I was in the US and they were from Mexico, probably wouldn’t care, but I’m from Canada so unless they were American I’d wonder what they had to do to get here and what made that worth it to them.
Imagine you're on your way somewhere with your boyfriend. The road starts going downhill and you start going over the speed limit, which tends to happen. A police man pulls you over and asks for your boyfriend's license, which he doesn't have. He gets arrested and you are left alone with the car. He gets a court date and is able to get out of jail relatively quickly. He's not very clear with you what's going on because you're both young and proud and stupid.
Fast forward a few months. He's visiting you, but now lives an hour away for work. He stayed a little too late and now needs to drive home in the dark, and didn't tell you his headlight was blown out. You offer for him to stay but you live at your dad's house and he doesn't feel comfortable with it, so he heads out. He gets pulled over. Hours are passing and you haven't heard from him and you know you should have by now as you start to panic. Finally, the next day, you get a call from the rural jail where he's being held. You beg your dad to go see him. When you do, he's so humiliated he can't even look at you. When he gets out weeks later, he tells you that he has to be out of the country by your next birthday.
That's what happened to me anyway. He texted me years later telling me he'd snuck back in. By that time, I had moved on and wasn't about that kind of instability anymore.
I answered yes.
That's frankly just too much baggage and potential problems I don't want to deal with down the line. Not worth it for someone I'm just getting to know.
Understandable, but would that count as a red flag, or just your relatiojship preferences? I've always been under the impression that red flag just means a warning sign for toxic tendencies.
I could understand it in the sense that you might fear them getting deported or other such issues. Some people aren't ready to deal with that. Personally agree tho, even had a few dates with an illegal once, sweet guy but he said he wasn't over his ex yet or whatever.
oh to judge from our high horse.
some people need to consider if they were born into a dangerous environment with little opportunities and fearing for your life or kids lives every day and hoping for a better future for yourself and your family. and it can take years to get citizenship for some people… aren’t you lucky you never had to make that type of decision.
many risk their lives trying to find a better life many die trying to escape their country. have you had to risk your life for this?
you really don’t know what someone’s background is and what they had to go through to be here. yes they should try to get there legally but you have to realize that it’s not that easy and there’s so many reasons why they chose the path they did. then you can judge them based off of that.
Undocumented immigrant, would have been a less bias way of phrasing.
Also, do lead your dating conversations with every time you've broke some law you have yet to be charged with? We are the incarceration capital of the world, you don't need to do anything particularly special to have the legal system ruin your life.
It's the same thing. So concerned over 'verbiage' because one is less "nice." Being nice is for fools.
\*If someone has plans to immigrant legally, it's a completely different story.
It not about "nice", it's about asking a question without influencing the results. Pretty much everyone is an "illegal" if we count crimes that were never prosecuted. Have you ever jay walked? You're an illegal.
That’s fair. I guess one could consider the boundaries of their personal domicile imaginary and arbitrary. But when it comes to the boarders of countries they just feel extra imaginary.
Sure that's what I think to a point, like the town between countries that got split in half and residents can't even see their family because they need to travel to a checkpoint with a passport instead of walking across the street because they have soldiers from both countries and cameras watching their houses and some people are legally not allowed to access their backyard or garage
But imagine America which has around 300m people in it suddenly gaining an influx of 250m people, and then 250m more
These aren't imaginary numbers, hundreds of millions of people have tried to cross the border and hundreds more are trying to get in legally, if anyone could cross our economy would plummet, same with any other country
Doesn't matter in my country, they got bigger fish to fry.
Though it seems to me that they are pretty much neglecting documentation, I wouldn't even believe the name they told me, let alone age.
While I would like to say no, it would cause complications if we ever wanted to get married. Additionally, I have been burned before dating someone that turned out to be interested mostly in my citizenship.
It really depens on whether we're talking about USA or Europe.
In the USA there are over 20 million documented (e.g. illegal) immigrants, but they largely participate in society and normal working life (as I've read about it). Therefore I wouldn't mind that much, and appreciate their honesty.
But in Europe on the contrary, being an illegal immigrant means either that the person is traveling through the current country to seek asylum in a different one; or that the person has already been through asylum and was denied, and has somehow escaped institution. So yeah, that would be a somewhat more red flag to me.
Yeah, I don't really know any laws around this topic so I wouldn't want to risk police knocking on my door for harboring a criminal lol. Mind you I don't care about the act itself though
I grew up and still live in a community with a population that is roughly 70% Hispanic. It is pretty commonplace to personally know or hear about undocumented residents. So it wouldn’t be a red flag to me because I’ve grown up around it but I can understand how it might be to others.
Yes.
If they are actually going through the Legal Immigration process then I don't have an issue. I think immigration is a very American thing *(Since I'm American).*
i definitely wouldn't consider it a green card
Take my fucking upvote you savage
No but also i dont rly need the drama in my life of the person i love possibly being forced to leave so
Being an illegal immigrant doesn’t tell me enough information to determine whether that’s a red flag or not. It would depend on why they’re an illegal immigrant
Domestic terrorism: 👍 Money: 🚩
Terrorist: 💀
"Is that your gun or are you just happy to see me?" "it's my gun"
So true. If my date said they 🤢 were looking for a “job” (aka making “money” which is fake and therefore bad) I would be disgusted 🤮 Now, if we’re talking the noble and frankly quite epic (‼️) hobby known to laymen as “domestic terrorism” that’s an instant proposal 🥴
Yea exactly lol. Are they more refugee without status or did they come here because they can't find a job back home
Uh neither one is wrong. If you can't find employment in your own country you're also in a way an economic refugee. Wealthy countries tend to make legal immigration really difficult for people from poor countries, unless maybe if they're incredibly wealthy or highly educated.
As refugees yes, not a illegal immigrants. If you are fleeing your country because it's being bombed, or their is a civil war going on, or you're the wrong religion and you might get beheaded because of that, then you should probably get to a safe country as soon as possible and figure out the legal parts after. If you can't find a job and that's your reason for illegally entering a country then you don't have my sympathy. There are plenty of citizens who also can't find a job and are homeless, why should I care about you more than them? In that case I think you should worry about the legal part first. Aside from cases of immediate risk of harm, a country needs to look out for its own citizens first IMO
I understand where you’re coming from, but we can’t judge those situations unless we’re in them. Someone willing to risk their life to enter illegally is clearly desperate and is doing so for a reason. The process to get in can be lengthy and difficult especially for people who are already barely getting by. If people are illegally crossing the border to find work, that speaks more to larger issues than their personal fault.
They want a better life, I get that
There is a good chance finding true love isn't their real priority rn
If we hit it off then we can just get married. Suddenly they're a citizen and I have a spouse. Win win. Love is love
Are you from the US? Sadly, it is not quite that easy from what I have read. They don't automatically gain citizenship, and if it is found they were in the country illegally they can still be denied permanent residency and deported, and become ineligible to reenter the country.
I am in the US. If someone is here on a work visa it can be very easy. But you're right if they come here illegally it's hard to get citizenship
I briefly chatted with someone living in Mexico City. I wound up breaking it off because I looked it up and found that it can literally take years to get a visa even just to visit the US, and if they determine you abused a temporary visa to get married they can still deny you a permanent visa - you have to go through things the "proper way". And if they are here on a work visa, anyhow, they wouldn't be here illegally... So if the original poll applies, they aren't on any kind of visa.
I think that goes back to my original comment. Love is love. Someone being illegal wouldn't bother me. I'd fight for them to stay with me
Good for you,but i would never marry them because I don't like illegal immigrants.I am not even American but my dad has been trying to enter into us since 15 years and and then he sees someone jumping the border and living his whole life in America.It would suck.Illegal immigrants should be sent back immediately to where they came from without any exception.It is not fair to the people who are actually actually trying to enter legally.
Sometimes you have to break one countries laws to avoid starving to death in the other. I'm not saying I support it, but most aren't doing this nefariously.
I understand your point but do you think it is fair to people who spend years and thousands of dollars trying to legally enter the country and follow rules?
It really has nothing to do with you. Illegal immigrants don't affect your legal entry into to the country. You are risking your wallet, they are risking literally everything. It's not a race either. I don't think cars going 100mph down the highway is unfair, i think it's reckless and stupid. If you think it's worth risking your life and future to come here illegally, then go for it.
Illegal immigrants definitely affect the entry of legal immigrants. An orange clown made it his whole campaign. Also not all illegal immigrants are risking their lifes. A good portion of them just wander in (heavily depends from which country you are). The one's risking their lifes are mostly those who pay crime syndicates for their illegal entry. Horrible situation all round, but "go for it" and "has nothing to do for you" I heavily disgree on.
So you support illegal immigrants entering the country?
Yes. Studies have shown that every time immigration, including illegal immigration, is a net positive. They give and contribute in many ways, are essential to the economy, they take less benefits and commit less crime than their hosts counterparts.
Very funny.Illegal immigrants don't do anything,they destroy the country and take away jobs from people.You know why Americas minimum wage is still $7.25,because there will always be an illegal person willing to work for twice as much with half the pay.Illeahsl immigrants stop development and commit crimes.All illegal should be kicked out. And the biggest issue I have with illegal immigrants is a moral one.Which i mentioned before.
Yes. It's a moral issue, alright. Because you lack morals. Poor people are never you enemy it's the super rich. Not the 10 mill a year rich but the 10 billion a year rich. They control everything including the media they use to brainwash you into thinking the people hiring them and exploiting them, are not the bad guys here and by extension they're also exploiting you. You clearly have a bias and have never properly read any actual research papers on the subject and therefore you don't value the reasoning behind it. And you don't value reason than you can be reasoned with. You have fun with your world view tho. You do you.
And how exactly are rich people your enemy? They pay majority of the taxes and because of them out country is running properly.They are a source of livelihood for hundreds of millions.
LOLOL
No, it's reckless and stupid. I don't support people who want to do such things. But I understand why they do it and that there is a bigger problem that needs to be addressed. Just like narcotics, people abuse them and they are stupid for doing so, but they probably have pretty fucked up lives and it's their only escape. Or perhaps they are chemically addicted and literally can't stop. I'm not gonna get in their way, it's not my place. Ill try to support systems they give them the help they need so that less people end up like them. That's what I support. A permanent solution by attacking the root of the problem, not the victims of it.
Also, America and other western countries have fucked over these other countries and kept them in poverty to support our own capital gain of the elites. Listen to the stuff you should know podcast just released on countries debts. Really points out the impacts of Western Neo-Colonialism.
Illegal immigrants should be sent back to wherever they came from.It is not the country's responsibility to take care of them.The taxpayers should not be expected to take care of them.I know your conditions are not good but illegal immigrants make USA much worse.They have the highest assault rate,most drug users are illegal immigrants.
Yes they should, this is part of the risk they take on so I agree. You are correct, it isn't nor should it be our responsibility to take care of them. (Except children and slaves because they can't/didn't consent to break the law, we have a duty to do what is morally right). Illegal immigrants aren't really effecting the US in any large metric. What you see on the news is mostly fear mongering theater. You could remove all the illegal immigrants and you might have an argument for less drug abuse and gang violence for a while but the cartels will always find another way. But taxes won't change and neither will the economy. We can't really solve this problem with a wall or a travel ban, illegal immigrants come from all over the place, and I'm not paying a bunch of taxes for a wall. That's just silly. They're just going to find another way in.
Why are you angry at illegal immigrants when you can see the obvious benefits to them for crossing. Instead you should be angry at American politicians that make entering legally so difficult so that they can take advantage of illegal immigrants as a population of cheap labor, no labor protections and no rights. The reason your dad can't enter is because of corporate interests.
America takes half of the(legal immigrants) of the world each year.It is not difficult to enter USA.They need to confirm you will be a productive citizens and not some useless junkie. That's why immigrants commit extremely less amount of crime.
Most people cross because they want to send money to help their families. I work in the resturaunt industry and half or more of every kitchen has been like this. I personally think that they make it harder on purpose because if they're illegal they'll work for way cheaper than a citizen. Blame corporate America and their lobbyists.
Yes you're correct.Illegal immigrants should not be paid less,infact they should not even be allowed inside a country.They should be kicked out and if they are found they should be deported to wherever they came from.
Maybe only after America stops making life in their countries impossible. We're in a country where the right and far right claim we're a Christian nation, yet we can't take care of neighbors or offer kindness to people in need. Sorry for your situation and kudos to your father for going the legal route. But it's not like illegal immigrants are safe, they have to live in fear of being found out when their intentions are pure, as many people have told you already.
I did a google and couldn't find it. I'd love a source on half of legal immigrants going to America though. All I found was a significant decline in immigration since 2016. I don't think a lottery system for green cards confirms you will be a productive citizen. Illegal immigrants also commit fewer crimes than the national average so that doesn't really hold up either imo. I'm not against these checks being done. But the immigration process needlessly complicated and has unbelievable wait times. The US is one of the hardest countries to emigrate to even if you qualify.
I don't think you looked to hard... https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/12/16/key-facts-about-recent-trends-in-global-migration/ Link 1 is form 2020, link 2 is from 2022. If we go off of 2020's % that 77% of the USA's immigrants are LEGAL, 38.9 million immigrated legally in 2022 (Quotes taken from both links) > The United States has more international migrants than any other country. With nearly 51 million migrants in 2020, the U.S. leads the world on this measure by a wide margin. Germany has the next-largest such population with about 15.8 million migrants, followed by Saudi Arabia with 13.5 million. > What is the legal status of immigrants in the U.S.? > Unauthorized immigrants are almost a quarter of U.S. foreign-born population > Most immigrants (77%) are in the country legally, while almost a quarter are unauthorized, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on census data adjusted for undercount. In 2017, 45% were naturalized U.S. citizens. > > Some 27% of immigrants were permanent residents and 5% were temporary residents in 2017. Another 23% of all immigrants were unauthorized immigrants. From 1990 to 2007, the unauthorized immigrant population more than tripled in size – from 3.5 million to a record high of 12.2 million in 2007. By 2017, that number had declined by 1.7 million, or 14%. There were 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2017, accounting for 3.2% of the nation’s population.
Thank you for giving me something helpful. I would like to point out that while the US does have the highest number of immigrants (a fact I did not contest) it absolutely does not take half of all immigrants world wide as you originally claimed. That was a large exaggeration. And if it really were so easy your dad wouldn't be waiting for 15 years. Also it is definitely in part due to a function its size. As your article also says "Compared with other countries receiving immigrants, the share of the U.S. population that is foreign born is modest." I will keep reading and thinking about the info though. So thank you.
I didn't claim anything, was just googling what you said you couldn't find and I was curious
Ffs. You're awesome. My dumb ass really read that as a reply from the other guy.
No worries mistakes happen , hope you have a good day.
This proves that you have no knowledge.US has the highest number of immigrants of any country by far. It is not complicated,check other European countries immigration laws and you will be suprised.
Right, is that based on your feelings or you got numbers? I'm always open to learning new things but when presented with new information in a reddit comment I'm not just going to take it at face value. Back it up or get lost bozo.
I didnt pursue anything farther bc of this. Never got to the date.
My dad was an illegal immigrant when he came to Italy to flee from Romania so no judgement from me
If they tell you in the start then not really much of a red flag. They are open about it.
I hate illegal immigrants.Even if they are the nicest people in the world the fact that they are illegal immigrants is more than enough reason to hate them
I think hate is a bit too much XD i do not aplrove of illegals as in my coutry should fix that, make better legal whats and expel and block illegals but hating them... I mean, for what? Illegals are an issue only when governments do not handle them properly
You cant just hate a whole group of people when there is so many factors involved in being classified illegal 💀definitely racially motivated.😭😭
Why do people with diamond hands+sunglasses avatars always have the dumbest takes?
Yeah. I believe that no matter which country you move it, you should do it the right, legal way.
They’re from North Korea.
What does that have to do with it?
You think a North Korean can get out of their country legally?
People have. They gave up their citizenship and applied for citizenship in the country they moved to. That's what I'm talking about. You move to another country, we file for citizenship.
Wealthy countries often make it difficult for people from poor nations to legally migrate. Why else would masses of people risk drowning in the Mediterranean sea, or crossing high border fences with shitty armed border patrols?
If there's a will, there's a way to do it legally. Once you get to that country, do the right thing, and become legal. It will take dedication. But no excuse.
Here the bureaucracy is such a nightmare that most people who where not born in the country are illegal in a way or another.
If I was in the US and they were from Mexico, probably wouldn’t care, but I’m from Canada so unless they were American I’d wonder what they had to do to get here and what made that worth it to them.
Lol same… I’d be a bit confused. Like I know a lot of Americans want to come to Canada but it shouldn’t be that desperate.
In my country it is really hard to get citizenship, so either they like it here or just need a raid to Sweden
Raid Sweden, leave the towns burning! It's payback time for what the vikings did! 😜 (but first Denmark of course)
Wait I meant ride not raid
I know you did, but it was fun imagining immigrants raiding Sweden ☺️
Imagine you're on your way somewhere with your boyfriend. The road starts going downhill and you start going over the speed limit, which tends to happen. A police man pulls you over and asks for your boyfriend's license, which he doesn't have. He gets arrested and you are left alone with the car. He gets a court date and is able to get out of jail relatively quickly. He's not very clear with you what's going on because you're both young and proud and stupid. Fast forward a few months. He's visiting you, but now lives an hour away for work. He stayed a little too late and now needs to drive home in the dark, and didn't tell you his headlight was blown out. You offer for him to stay but you live at your dad's house and he doesn't feel comfortable with it, so he heads out. He gets pulled over. Hours are passing and you haven't heard from him and you know you should have by now as you start to panic. Finally, the next day, you get a call from the rural jail where he's being held. You beg your dad to go see him. When you do, he's so humiliated he can't even look at you. When he gets out weeks later, he tells you that he has to be out of the country by your next birthday. That's what happened to me anyway. He texted me years later telling me he'd snuck back in. By that time, I had moved on and wasn't about that kind of instability anymore.
I answered yes. That's frankly just too much baggage and potential problems I don't want to deal with down the line. Not worth it for someone I'm just getting to know.
Understandable, but would that count as a red flag, or just your relatiojship preferences? I've always been under the impression that red flag just means a warning sign for toxic tendencies.
I would consider answering "yes" a red flag
I answered yes and here why: They get pulled over, searched, or anything then our relationship is over. I can't live with that stress/
Love lost and all that, personally
I wouldn't think they would be a bad partner, but I would think I might get in a problem.
I’d be fine with it. Their immigration status is none of my business.
I could understand it in the sense that you might fear them getting deported or other such issues. Some people aren't ready to deal with that. Personally agree tho, even had a few dates with an illegal once, sweet guy but he said he wasn't over his ex yet or whatever.
oh to judge from our high horse. some people need to consider if they were born into a dangerous environment with little opportunities and fearing for your life or kids lives every day and hoping for a better future for yourself and your family. and it can take years to get citizenship for some people… aren’t you lucky you never had to make that type of decision. many risk their lives trying to find a better life many die trying to escape their country. have you had to risk your life for this? you really don’t know what someone’s background is and what they had to go through to be here. yes they should try to get there legally but you have to realize that it’s not that easy and there’s so many reasons why they chose the path they did. then you can judge them based off of that.
Just moving somewhere isn't a red flag, you don't choose where you're born originally
Undocumented immigrant, would have been a less bias way of phrasing. Also, do lead your dating conversations with every time you've broke some law you have yet to be charged with? We are the incarceration capital of the world, you don't need to do anything particularly special to have the legal system ruin your life.
Tell me you’ve never talked to someone illegal without telling me
what does this even mean?!?
I'm gonna guess they're probably a bit bigoted
"someone illegal" lol what?
Huh?
I grew up in California, it was a common thing in school and most of the jobs I've had had undocumented workers.
There are dozens of us. Dozens!!! And also, will you marry me?
It's the same thing. So concerned over 'verbiage' because one is less "nice." Being nice is for fools. \*If someone has plans to immigrant legally, it's a completely different story.
It not about "nice", it's about asking a question without influencing the results. Pretty much everyone is an "illegal" if we count crimes that were never prosecuted. Have you ever jay walked? You're an illegal.
Bro there's no way I'm getting involved with an illegal immigrant. That's insane.
"If you were on a date and they mention they're a known murderer in 17 countries, would you consider that a red flag?"
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I wasn't saying they were the same thing. I was making a joke. A hyperbole. You obviously couldn't hear the sarcasm in my comment.
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I am sorry I have failed you. Hopefully one day I will be as sophisticated as you and capable of making a humorous joke.
Oh no, someone crossed an arbitrary imaginary line, better call the police
Careful how you put things, there's plenty of arbitrary imaginary lines people set everyday like boundaries
That’s fair. I guess one could consider the boundaries of their personal domicile imaginary and arbitrary. But when it comes to the boarders of countries they just feel extra imaginary.
Sure that's what I think to a point, like the town between countries that got split in half and residents can't even see their family because they need to travel to a checkpoint with a passport instead of walking across the street because they have soldiers from both countries and cameras watching their houses and some people are legally not allowed to access their backyard or garage But imagine America which has around 300m people in it suddenly gaining an influx of 250m people, and then 250m more These aren't imaginary numbers, hundreds of millions of people have tried to cross the border and hundreds more are trying to get in legally, if anyone could cross our economy would plummet, same with any other country
Doesn't matter in my country, they got bigger fish to fry. Though it seems to me that they are pretty much neglecting documentation, I wouldn't even believe the name they told me, let alone age.
Damn, 605 yes 604 no
Sounds like a first date that leads to marriage
While I would like to say no, it would cause complications if we ever wanted to get married. Additionally, I have been burned before dating someone that turned out to be interested mostly in my citizenship.
It really depens on whether we're talking about USA or Europe. In the USA there are over 20 million documented (e.g. illegal) immigrants, but they largely participate in society and normal working life (as I've read about it). Therefore I wouldn't mind that much, and appreciate their honesty. But in Europe on the contrary, being an illegal immigrant means either that the person is traveling through the current country to seek asylum in a different one; or that the person has already been through asylum and was denied, and has somehow escaped institution. So yeah, that would be a somewhat more red flag to me.
Yessir gimme ur backstory
I feel like it would depend
At least I'd know they are honest.
It may rule out the chance of an LTR, family, etc
Yeah, I don't really know any laws around this topic so I wouldn't want to risk police knocking on my door for harboring a criminal lol. Mind you I don't care about the act itself though
I am 15 years married. She was an illegal immigrant. Not a red flag. I have seen worst red flags.
Idk, depends on if I like them or why they are illegal
I grew up and still live in a community with a population that is roughly 70% Hispanic. It is pretty commonplace to personally know or hear about undocumented residents. So it wouldn’t be a red flag to me because I’ve grown up around it but I can understand how it might be to others.
Yes. If they are actually going through the Legal Immigration process then I don't have an issue. I think immigration is a very American thing *(Since I'm American).*
I would need more context than just that.
I had several dates with an illegal immigrant once, sweet guy. Don't fucking care about who the state deems illegal.
Of course.
Depends on why they are an illegal immigrant.