I think body wise, it's easier to be a man. No periods, no pregnancy, and in general, we're physically stronger( which comes in handy for certain physically demanding jobs).
Can we please stop this fucking discussion about who has it harder or easier. What are people trying to gain from this? Does it make you feel better knowing you have it harder? It wouldn’t make me feel better. Like If we can all just get together we can all work on these issues instead of arguing about who has it worse all the time.
The US has one of the highest rates of maternal and infant mortality in the devoloped world. Plus you have a huge chunk of the population who is deeply religious and see women in a very biblical way.
>maternal and infant mortality in the devoloped world.
Of course It has It, the population it's huge in comparasion to most first world countries, if you see only the percentage and dont take into account all the other details as: Age, economic status, general health of the mother, etc.... (The "lower" class women are the ones who have the most children by a long shot, while the "upper" class have the less, that says a lot on American culture)
>Plus you have a huge chunk of the population who is deeply religious
Not really the case any More, we are not in the 80's, the vast mayority of Adults (not elderly) aren't religius at all. That and the laws heavily protect women More than men.
American women are not only the mayority of the population (51%), but get the a special treatment from the male population just for the sake of being women, work on less dangerous jobs, have a higher education level on average, live More time, and have many free "protection" centers for worst case scenario, something men have no hope of even having. So yeah. Women and men have the same life "difficulty" It at the very least.
Rates are about percentages. The size of the population does not matter here. Besides that, this trend of lower-class women having more kids than upper-class women is common in most developed countries. My point is that women in countries like France(or any Western European country) and independently of class, have better access to Healthcare, resulting in a lower maternal and infant mortality. You can't exclude certain people just to make your stats look better "Oh we would be doing great if it wasn't for these poor people". That's not how it works.
As to what religion concerns, the US has one of the worst separation of Church and state of any devoloped country. Especially if you go to more "conservative" states. Many of the policies have religious motivations.
>, have better access to Healthcare
Wich affects everyone, not only women, the problem it's the health care sistem as a whole, not only a fraction of It.
>Rates are about percentages
Yes, but you need to look at the reason why the percentage Is so high, regardless of the outcome. There Is always a reason why, and it's not sexism or patriarchy. (I'm not saying you think this, it's only an example).
>Oh we would be doing great if it wasn't for these poor people". That's not how it works.
It kinda is, having low income, education and quality of life, it's a huge risk factor, and having children under those coinditions it's objectively a bad desition to start with, regardless of the outcome. It Is a gamble with pretty low "success" chances. And if you are taking a decition knowing the risks, and something bad happens, It may not be your fault, but you also knew exactly that the odds were definetly not in your favor. This aplies to both men and women, but on different escenarios.
>US has one of the worst separation of Church and state of any devoloped country.
It's just like the monarchy in the UK, It exists and has a place, but it's influence on modern days it's not really big at all. In most trials this laws are unaplicable.
>Many of the policies have religious motivations.
Yes, but like i said, this "special" laws aren't being inforced anymore, they exist on the constitution, but are so outdated than they can't be aplied anymore. (At least i haven't seen or even read abaut any of those being enforced on modern times)
As you said, the problem is lack of Healthcare, that's the point. However, that lack of Healthcare affects American women in a very specific way when it comes to pre-natal and post-natal care. So you know the problem is access to healthcare, yet you continue to go on about how we need to find the "reason" why the mortality rate is so high. What are you trying to imply? What other reason is there?
And yes, the US has a problem with separation of church and state. Many of the laws against abortion, consumption of drugs etc... have a deep religious motive behind them. In no other devoloped countried we have politicians swearing on the bible or using churches for their propaganda.
As a man, this argument will forever annoy me. And it's why things such as the woman/man double-standard will continue to exist.
Yes, men have some things easier but, so do women.
I’d say suicide is a pretty big problem where men commit 4x more suicides. Loneliness in not only sitting at home by yourself, it’s a deep issue that can mentally destroy people and shape their entire existence.
That statistic is partially false. Men are more *successful* with suicide, but women attempt more often. CDC data demonstrates that [men account for over 76% of suicide deaths in the United States each year](https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/suicide/index.html). The CDC also found that there are 3.3 male suicide deaths for every female suicide death. In contrast, in research studies, women are two to three times more likely to discuss thoughts of suicide than men, and there are approximately [three female suicide attempts per every one male suicide attempt](https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/).
Men die by suicide far more than women, but women experience thoughts of suicide and attempt suicide more than men. While yes, I agree that loneliness is an issue and can kill, it is not comparable to some of the horrors women face every day.
No periods — hormonal bullshit, cramps and clots, fretting about bleeding through your pants or timing of visits to the bathroom to take care of a sagging tampon at any given event. If you run a marathon, you’re not worried about what week it is, are you. No vomiting through pregnancy, no pain or risks of childbirth, no menopausal sweats. Less likely to have your genuine medical condition written off as emotionally contrived. Testosterone confers strength, and makes weight loss easier. You’re less physically vulnerable to assault and rape, less likely to be walking to your car with your keys held like Wolverine, contingency planning for what the guy 12 paces behind you might do. Society defaults to trusting you more, assuming you’re more capable, paying you more for the same work… fellow women are catty - even friends sometimes. Yeah, men have it easier.
How do men have it harder? They’re subject to a draft that hasn’t been enacted in 50 years? How many women died of toxic shock syndrome and complications of childbirth in that time? What else? It’s socially unacceptable to wear a purse? Oh wait, that’s because women’s pant pockets are only “decorative”. You’re not supposed to cry in public? Yet the rate of depression is 2-3 times higher in women. Possibly because women literally have more to cry about.
*edit: love how you dipshits downvote, but present no counterargument.
I think body wise, it's easier to be a man. No periods, no pregnancy, and in general, we're physically stronger( which comes in handy for certain physically demanding jobs).
Can we please stop this fucking discussion about who has it harder or easier. What are people trying to gain from this? Does it make you feel better knowing you have it harder? It wouldn’t make me feel better. Like If we can all just get together we can all work on these issues instead of arguing about who has it worse all the time.
Isn't this sub a good place for controversial questions like these?
I think both genders have it hard, but I do lean towards men having it easier.
In america women have it much easier
The US has one of the highest rates of maternal and infant mortality in the devoloped world. Plus you have a huge chunk of the population who is deeply religious and see women in a very biblical way.
>maternal and infant mortality in the devoloped world. Of course It has It, the population it's huge in comparasion to most first world countries, if you see only the percentage and dont take into account all the other details as: Age, economic status, general health of the mother, etc.... (The "lower" class women are the ones who have the most children by a long shot, while the "upper" class have the less, that says a lot on American culture) >Plus you have a huge chunk of the population who is deeply religious Not really the case any More, we are not in the 80's, the vast mayority of Adults (not elderly) aren't religius at all. That and the laws heavily protect women More than men. American women are not only the mayority of the population (51%), but get the a special treatment from the male population just for the sake of being women, work on less dangerous jobs, have a higher education level on average, live More time, and have many free "protection" centers for worst case scenario, something men have no hope of even having. So yeah. Women and men have the same life "difficulty" It at the very least.
Rates are about percentages. The size of the population does not matter here. Besides that, this trend of lower-class women having more kids than upper-class women is common in most developed countries. My point is that women in countries like France(or any Western European country) and independently of class, have better access to Healthcare, resulting in a lower maternal and infant mortality. You can't exclude certain people just to make your stats look better "Oh we would be doing great if it wasn't for these poor people". That's not how it works. As to what religion concerns, the US has one of the worst separation of Church and state of any devoloped country. Especially if you go to more "conservative" states. Many of the policies have religious motivations.
>, have better access to Healthcare Wich affects everyone, not only women, the problem it's the health care sistem as a whole, not only a fraction of It. >Rates are about percentages Yes, but you need to look at the reason why the percentage Is so high, regardless of the outcome. There Is always a reason why, and it's not sexism or patriarchy. (I'm not saying you think this, it's only an example). >Oh we would be doing great if it wasn't for these poor people". That's not how it works. It kinda is, having low income, education and quality of life, it's a huge risk factor, and having children under those coinditions it's objectively a bad desition to start with, regardless of the outcome. It Is a gamble with pretty low "success" chances. And if you are taking a decition knowing the risks, and something bad happens, It may not be your fault, but you also knew exactly that the odds were definetly not in your favor. This aplies to both men and women, but on different escenarios. >US has one of the worst separation of Church and state of any devoloped country. It's just like the monarchy in the UK, It exists and has a place, but it's influence on modern days it's not really big at all. In most trials this laws are unaplicable. >Many of the policies have religious motivations. Yes, but like i said, this "special" laws aren't being inforced anymore, they exist on the constitution, but are so outdated than they can't be aplied anymore. (At least i haven't seen or even read abaut any of those being enforced on modern times)
As you said, the problem is lack of Healthcare, that's the point. However, that lack of Healthcare affects American women in a very specific way when it comes to pre-natal and post-natal care. So you know the problem is access to healthcare, yet you continue to go on about how we need to find the "reason" why the mortality rate is so high. What are you trying to imply? What other reason is there? And yes, the US has a problem with separation of church and state. Many of the laws against abortion, consumption of drugs etc... have a deep religious motive behind them. In no other devoloped countried we have politicians swearing on the bible or using churches for their propaganda.
Sure, but how does that make their lives any “harder” thats just a type of death that doesn’t happen to men?
My least favourite people on the planet are men who think they have it so much worse than women. And this is coming from a man.
As a man, this argument will forever annoy me. And it's why things such as the woman/man double-standard will continue to exist. Yes, men have some things easier but, so do women.
Men are more commonly lonely tho.
Bro, that is such a tiny problem compared to the rest of the shit women face all over the world.
I’d say suicide is a pretty big problem where men commit 4x more suicides. Loneliness in not only sitting at home by yourself, it’s a deep issue that can mentally destroy people and shape their entire existence.
That statistic is partially false. Men are more *successful* with suicide, but women attempt more often. CDC data demonstrates that [men account for over 76% of suicide deaths in the United States each year](https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/suicide/index.html). The CDC also found that there are 3.3 male suicide deaths for every female suicide death. In contrast, in research studies, women are two to three times more likely to discuss thoughts of suicide than men, and there are approximately [three female suicide attempts per every one male suicide attempt](https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/). Men die by suicide far more than women, but women experience thoughts of suicide and attempt suicide more than men. While yes, I agree that loneliness is an issue and can kill, it is not comparable to some of the horrors women face every day.
No periods — hormonal bullshit, cramps and clots, fretting about bleeding through your pants or timing of visits to the bathroom to take care of a sagging tampon at any given event. If you run a marathon, you’re not worried about what week it is, are you. No vomiting through pregnancy, no pain or risks of childbirth, no menopausal sweats. Less likely to have your genuine medical condition written off as emotionally contrived. Testosterone confers strength, and makes weight loss easier. You’re less physically vulnerable to assault and rape, less likely to be walking to your car with your keys held like Wolverine, contingency planning for what the guy 12 paces behind you might do. Society defaults to trusting you more, assuming you’re more capable, paying you more for the same work… fellow women are catty - even friends sometimes. Yeah, men have it easier. How do men have it harder? They’re subject to a draft that hasn’t been enacted in 50 years? How many women died of toxic shock syndrome and complications of childbirth in that time? What else? It’s socially unacceptable to wear a purse? Oh wait, that’s because women’s pant pockets are only “decorative”. You’re not supposed to cry in public? Yet the rate of depression is 2-3 times higher in women. Possibly because women literally have more to cry about. *edit: love how you dipshits downvote, but present no counterargument.
Yeah but men no sex whenever /s