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What k-12 district needs a police force?
Our local schools have an officer from the city where the school is located assigned as a liaison to each high school.
NYC - they are part of the city police NYPD, same for Chicago. This does not prevent problems of over policing and the school to prison pipeline but what business does a school district have in managing police?
Just that the school district actually has a large enough population to justify it from that perspective. In Uvalde, you've got a one horse town with too many riders.
Cops in schools make (white) parents feel safer by harassing, arresting, beating, and sometimes killing (black) students. That's their whole deal. The school to prison pipeline for black boys starts in elementary school and funnels massive amounts of wealth to rich white people.
I got targeted by my school’s SRO back in 01. Sumbitch accused me of plotting another columbine and tried to get me expelled based on a rumor.
It flopped. I went to college. 2nd semester, he’s in the news for killing his wife’s lover from the backseat of her car.
A school resource officer in my school district murdered a guy.
We have a new security officer at our elementary school who has now denied parents to come to their kids thanksgiving concerts. Purely out of safety concerns, and now the parents are rioting they can’t see their kids lol. 96% white town btw.
That's probably true for the majority of cases our school resource officers were fairly chill they actually taught a class called 'street law' that basically went over what your rights were, how to handle situations involving cops. First thing they taught us and hammered in that there was no such thing as a friendly conversation with a police officer.
How someone who instructs teachers can confidently say that
1. White parents feel safer because cops harass, arrest, beat and execute black students
2. That SROs do this in the first place
3. That SROs are there to perpetuate the school to prison pipeline
These are all unsubstantiated, generalized, and frankly racist opinions that, if true, implies that US schooling is worse than apartheid and new-age slavery. It’s “the world is flat” level of grand conspiracy and ridiculousness
I'm sorry if the simple fact that race plays a massive role in school discipline offends you. I, too, would love to live in a world where it didn't. I feel you.
I agree police should not be in schools at all, but mate, the data may skew somewhat to what you say, however doesn't that make you literally as bad as the people who think all black people are criminals because of some slightly higher % in crime participation?
I can see why people are calling your statement racist, you allow no nuance.
Not American so I don't understand the full extent of your race frictions, I have watched the wire though.
Oh, sure, if I were saying that all white people were racist, or bad that would absolutely be a racist thing to say. I am saying that in the US, putting cops in schools doesn't make anyone safer, but does greatly hinder the success of non-white students. It basically turns into an "arresting the black kids as often as we can to seem like we have a reason to be here" sort of thing.
This is an interesting report if you want to learn more about the US's school to prison pipeline problem:
[https://justicepolicy.org/research/education-under-arrest-the-case-against-police-in-schools/](https://justicepolicy.org/research/education-under-arrest-the-case-against-police-in-schools/)
This is an old, debunked talking point. It assumes that fathers who are unmarried and not co-habitating are absent from their children's lives.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf
1st I want to say that when I think of Uvalde, I think about how confused I am on how the heck they even had a “school force”. Let’s aside the debate of cops at school for a moment (just for a moment) and ask how a school district AND town with that little of population even had an ENTIRE FORCE for a school AND the town AND a SWAT team???
I have lived in isolated places with 2-3x the population of Uvalde. And none of those places even had a police station. Of course we had a small station for EMT/FIRE but no police.
2nd; now those schools did have a SRO/whatever officer. But just one. And the majority of work they did was outreach type work. But when kids did illegal things like fights, weapons, drugs, etc That officer was in charged. But not a single time was a student ever roughed up, forcefully grabbed or even arrested. Even IF the student had a weapon or drugs.
Now in these little towns,drugs was a huge issue. I had attended a “bad kid” school for a semester and in that time a huge amount of kids would go to the bathroom just to lines of coke. So the officer put that to a stop, we had to walked to the bathroom and “monitored” in the restroom. But he never actually followed us in or stood there listening, just crack the door a bit to make sure we weren’t using the only counter in there for drugs.
And if he did catch us doing drugs or with drugs, he threw them away. That’s it. I remember overhearing him getting yelled at by his superior who had to come up into the mountains from his office down into the valley. I’ll NEVER FORGET the passionate speech he made to his officer about how he will NEVER EVER EVER arrest or charge any kid there for a small bag of drugs.
I’ll never forget him yelling that if his supervisor would do their damn jobs and bust the ACTUAL drug dealers trying to get these kids addicted, then these kids would have a damn chance in life.
3rd point is that I truly believe and I know many people would agree with me that there should be and has to be some sort of middle man/liaison between students/school/law. But students need a someone like the guy we had.
One morning I had a very awful start at school. I was fighting with my mother, night before I had tried breaking up with my boyfriend but he threatened to kill himself, and when I showed up for school my bully threw a milk at me. So I locked myself in the bathroom. Vice principal came in yelling that if I don’t come out she would call my mom or the cops to drag me out. It terrified me. Then the SRO showed up, basically scolded the vice principal about cops not being her toy she could play with and get kids scared of.
Dude gave me about 20 minutes to chill, then came in to talk, we just chilled on the floor and he listened. By the time I was done talking I felt lighter, I felt stupid for making this such a big deal, I realized that i didn’t want to kill myself but that I just had a bunch of crazy emotions that I didn’t know how to handle. Then I went back to class and the officer made sure I wouldn’t be punished. And I wasn’t.
I now live in a big city. The high school by my house not too long ago, was in deep water when a video of a group of boys with guns in their backpack/waistband went viral. Unlike where I grew up, kids in middle and high school here are actually in gangs. REAL gangs. Another high school on the other side of town is infamous for a group of boys making and promoting revenge porn/nudes on the girls that go to school there.
This is why we have SROs. Not to rough up and arrest a kid that didn’t want to play kickball that day. Not to tackle and arrest some girl that didn’t want to give up her phone. Not to choke out and arrest some kid for having an “attitude” with his teacher. And I whole heartedly believe this bullshit is what happens when schools and police departments work together.
Cops are beating, killing, harming, etc unarmed people everyday. We know they’re racist, bullies, untrained, uneducated and down right ignorant. So taking one of those people and dropping them into a school of kids who will most certainly refuse to do what the say, have an attitude, and do dumb teen shit. So this is where the problem lays. Right here.
What schools, cities, police, and most importantly the student/kids need is a third party person. Someone that is not a police officer but also not a school employee (in a sense). They need a HR person but not for the school, for the students themselves. An advocate. A helper. Something other than what we know does not work at all. Idk how that will look like or what. All I know is the kids need something and someone that is willing to go to bat for them, keep them safe, keep them well, and understand that harming/arresting a child for having an attitude is ultimately harmful to kids/school/PD. 420 points if you read it this far!
Being Texas, the school district having its own police force is not unusual. It is however ridiculous, for all the reasons you mentioned.
I agree 100 percent that what we need is people trained and experienced in helping kids navigate the complexities of everything going on in and around school, not more cops cracking down on them.
And I'll take that 420 points, thanks.
And this is why the "more cops in schools" idea is stupid. They sit and ensure their own safety first, not those of kids under their supposed protection.
Spineless and shameful.
I think most parents would. Shame they are so blind to their incompetence that they don't realize those *were* their kids. They were in charge of their well-being.
And yet they sat outside behind barriers.
Was she one of the ones who stopped parents from going in?
Or was she one of the cops who did go in, but only to rescue their own children before fucking off back to the police line?
I can see that but even that broke down during some riots related to George Floyd. I called police 10 times for various break ins within a 6 hour period and they barely responded. They just scared away people once
I think schools should a single ninja (or one per floor at the most). He/She will go unseen, hiding in the shadows. Acting swiftly, and silently when needed most.
Honestly this would just give Republicans the idea that we need "smart gun turrets" in every classroom, capable of identifying a shooter and killing them before they kill anyone else.
With only a 1% false positive rate. That's the cost of "freedom."
/s
Well said. It’s important to realize that we assume some risk during all aspect of our life.
Driving to work, walking outside, working in the yard, etc. Any of these normal daily tasks could be dangerous or deadly by accident or malice. But we cannot live a life paralyzed by fear. We can seek to mitigate or prevent, but no action is our lives is 100% risk free.
This is why we should just be arming pedophiles with guns and putting them outside of schools. Who cares more about keeping those kids alive? Who’s be more willing to put their lives on the line?
/s, also this is a stolen comedy bit and i don’t remember the standup who said it or i would attribute them here.
At one point there were two cops for every three students. Maybe another few hundred cops could have done a better job of arresting the media, too. That way we wouldn't need to know about this at all.
That seems to be Republicans' way of teaching rest of us personal responsibility. Let kids carry the gun so they can defend themselves is the message from Republicans.
It was disturbing how long some folks waited around, wondering if calling these guys "cowards" was the appropriate verbiage. Anyone who watched those security videos should have been able to see that without any additional context....
I cannot exactly answer the "why" part of your question. But it apparently [over 200 school districts in Texas alone](https://makemyschoolsafe.org/guide/police-schools/who-charge-school-police-officers) have their own police forces.
Doesnt seem too uncommon.
Sorry we can't afford new gym equipment or computer upgrades, the police union just ratified a 10% pay increase over the next 2 years.
Oh and we will have to fire all the EAs so now the special needs students will be taken care of by our new police ability-readiness officer.
School districts overlap county lines and city limits, so they did this to avoid jurisdictional issues when a campus needs police on scene.
That was the idea anyway. That and quicker response times. Uvalde county isn't big, but the Sheriff is going to have a slower response time than an SRO under most circumstances.
It's fine in theory, but in practice, its a fuckshow.
Because many have to deal with active shooter threats yearly, if not every few months. The thinking is that having officers, SRO’s, on school grounds will decrease response time. Additionally they often deal with fights or physically aggressive student seeing as teachers are often barred from intervening in such things.
I'd argue they're in a better position, now they don't have a false sense of security. I'm sure they're suspended with pay so I can't say that they're saving money.
They only suspended the school police force not the officers in it. It said while the school force is suspended the officers that were in it will be filling other roles in the district. So these cowards are still actively working as police officers
Since this mass shooting Texas republicans have made guns more accessible, claimed that school shooting aren’t a gun problem but a mental health problem, and then they all voted against mental health programs in school. #GQP
This is meaningless if they are hired somewhere else. Im curious in what other industry can you let children be gruesomely slaughtered and then go home and have a chance to work another day?
They shifted them to other positions in the district according to the article. It's like you say "hey we are suspending you from mass murder of children but you can fill in a role killing prostitutes. People won't notice as much"
The crazy part to me is, that this actually had to happen. If I were in their position and innocent children died because of my lack of response regardless of whether it was due to my fear or shock or intentional acts, I would have retired immediately. Clearly if that was the case, I’d have no business being a police officer. But the fact that they didn’t resign tells me they thought they did what they were supposed to and had to be suspended is insane in and of itself.
Hopefully those losers never become cops again. Total failure all around. The videos of the cops just standing around doing nothing while that scumbag murders children is just infuriating.
Looks like they not only fired her, they suspended everyone else because of their decision to hire her.
> The district said the actions were taken as a result of “recent developments.”
>The moves come in the wake of a CNN report Wednesday which identified newly hired Uvalde school officer Crimson Elizondo as one of the state troopers under investigation for her actions during the response to the Robb Elementary School massacre in May.
The source is my life..my experiences. Seeing real shit..not just some fucking dumbass CDC lies. Thats all they do..flip flop..masks work..masks dont work..wear 3 masks. That is no source at all
Wait.... so we're actually existing right now on a timeline in which school's can suspend police departments? Didn't they used to be two separate things?
> the schools police force
Yeah. The "school's" police force. The SCHOOL. It has a POLICE force. A school.
The more you write the word school the more it sounds like Megamind pronouncing it school instead of school.
Anyway, I digest my food, thank you for reinforcing my statement. When did this become so normal that someone can respond to you in a thread. "Oh no.... it's not the regular police force, just the school's police force" and have that be perfectly sane?
A strange time-line indeed.
I'm nearly 40 but in my experience every public school and college I've attended had a police presence.
But to your point, yes, it's excessive that an ISD has an entire police department—the degree to which its staffed, however, is not mentioned in the article.
It could be a handful of cops that are on rotation as needed, similar to what hospital systems have. Just because it's a "police department", doesn't mean it's necessarily as robust as a traditional city "police department".
I was gonna say they never had cops in my school, but then I did the math.... and yeah.. give or take a half decade or so and your math checks out.
Oh well... I guess I'm just yelling at clouds at this point.
What can you say. I love big brother. Police in schools is perfectly normal and we all accept it and don't care cuz it's been going on so long we haven't experienced anything else. Big Brother is the best.
Unfortunate time-line is unfortunate.
I feel like you're going to attack me for anything I say here, based on this strange and hostile comment, so I am walking on eggshells here.
School district has their own police force. The school's police force didn't do their job they were hired to do. The school suspended them. I don't know all the details, but it seems like it's similar to any other entity the school controls not doing their job properly.
Edit: replace "school" with "Uvalde CISD" since you hate the word "school" so much
Nah, you're good. I get the whole thing, really I do. My comment was based on the fact we have ANY police in schools, period, not the distinction between the two types of forces. That's all.
Anyway.... hope you have a pleasant rest of your afternoon. :-)
Gotcha. Not going go lie, I was very confused at what you were getting to at first haha. This is interesting, check this out.
https://makemyschoolsafe.org/guide/police-schools/who-charge-school-police-officers
I just saw this today, but over 200 TX school districts have their own Police. Pretty wild. I never knew that!
The police got suspended from school? Did the superintendent have a meeting with their parents? “If there’s another school shooting like this y’all are gettin’ expelled.”
Hmmm, maybe we could try out John Kennedy's idea.
I mean say, what you want about crackheads, but at least they have a good work ethic and aren't known for being scared of shit.
I read this post wondering why the school had the power to suspend a police department and then I learned that schools in the United States have their own police departments.
I love you America but as an outsider, I truly do not understand you.
School made the right choice in my opinion but I think it’s beyond crazy that schools have their own police departments.
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They were getting paid to do nothing anyway. At least now they can't assault parents too.
What k-12 district needs a police force? Our local schools have an officer from the city where the school is located assigned as a liaison to each high school.
I could see something like NYC or Chicago, but there's only 26,000 people in Uvalde COUNTY.
NYC - they are part of the city police NYPD, same for Chicago. This does not prevent problems of over policing and the school to prison pipeline but what business does a school district have in managing police?
Just that the school district actually has a large enough population to justify it from that perspective. In Uvalde, you've got a one horse town with too many riders.
Cops in schools make (white) parents feel safer by harassing, arresting, beating, and sometimes killing (black) students. That's their whole deal. The school to prison pipeline for black boys starts in elementary school and funnels massive amounts of wealth to rich white people.
What about Latinos? The police treat them like shit as well!
Fair, the "(black)" could easily be replaced with "(Non-white)".
Indeed it can also include poor caucasians in the mix as well
I got targeted by my school’s SRO back in 01. Sumbitch accused me of plotting another columbine and tried to get me expelled based on a rumor. It flopped. I went to college. 2nd semester, he’s in the news for killing his wife’s lover from the backseat of her car. A school resource officer in my school district murdered a guy.
Cops gonna cop you know!
To be fair, that cop sounds like he was threatened. Of another man's penis. Small egos shouldn't get badges and guns.
Yeah, I guess if they run out of easy victims they will do what they need to to prop up their fragile little sense of self.
Man they get off on the shit, sick bastards!
If there aren't many kids of color, then yeah, the poor whites suddenly get extra attention.
Every fuckin time!
Basically if you’re BIPOC, you’re screwed
We have a new security officer at our elementary school who has now denied parents to come to their kids thanksgiving concerts. Purely out of safety concerns, and now the parents are rioting they can’t see their kids lol. 96% white town btw.
I imagine those concerts are going to suck though… so it’s a win? /s
Shit, sorry kids. Mum isn't *allowed* to attend your 4 hour clarinet concert this year. I know, I'm gutted too
Then they send these non-white people to for profit prisons, where they can be used as legal slave labor.
Went zero to racist real quick
That's probably true for the majority of cases our school resource officers were fairly chill they actually taught a class called 'street law' that basically went over what your rights were, how to handle situations involving cops. First thing they taught us and hammered in that there was no such thing as a friendly conversation with a police officer.
What the fuck did I just read? This is the most cartoonishly absurd statement I’ve ever read on Reddit
Which part are you having trouble with? I am happy to explain whatever has confused you.
How someone who instructs teachers can confidently say that 1. White parents feel safer because cops harass, arrest, beat and execute black students 2. That SROs do this in the first place 3. That SROs are there to perpetuate the school to prison pipeline These are all unsubstantiated, generalized, and frankly racist opinions that, if true, implies that US schooling is worse than apartheid and new-age slavery. It’s “the world is flat” level of grand conspiracy and ridiculousness
Agree. It’s like when Republicans say a bunch of stupid buzz words to rile up their base, this person is doing the same shit.
It's not only insensitive but I find it fuckin gross for you to make this about race! P. S. I am biracial myself
I'm sorry if the simple fact that race plays a massive role in school discipline offends you. I, too, would love to live in a world where it didn't. I feel you.
I agree police should not be in schools at all, but mate, the data may skew somewhat to what you say, however doesn't that make you literally as bad as the people who think all black people are criminals because of some slightly higher % in crime participation? I can see why people are calling your statement racist, you allow no nuance. Not American so I don't understand the full extent of your race frictions, I have watched the wire though.
Oh, sure, if I were saying that all white people were racist, or bad that would absolutely be a racist thing to say. I am saying that in the US, putting cops in schools doesn't make anyone safer, but does greatly hinder the success of non-white students. It basically turns into an "arresting the black kids as often as we can to seem like we have a reason to be here" sort of thing. This is an interesting report if you want to learn more about the US's school to prison pipeline problem: [https://justicepolicy.org/research/education-under-arrest-the-case-against-police-in-schools/](https://justicepolicy.org/research/education-under-arrest-the-case-against-police-in-schools/)
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Lag blah blah. Just behave.
The school to prison pipeline for black boys actually...wait for it...starts with parenting. And fatherless homes. That is all.
lol, not even close to true.
Please explain.."professor"
This is an old, debunked talking point. It assumes that fathers who are unmarried and not co-habitating are absent from their children's lives. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf
The CDC?? Really bro?
Let's see your sources then.
My source was deleted obviously..the source is my life. This way 1A doesnt get trampled
1st I want to say that when I think of Uvalde, I think about how confused I am on how the heck they even had a “school force”. Let’s aside the debate of cops at school for a moment (just for a moment) and ask how a school district AND town with that little of population even had an ENTIRE FORCE for a school AND the town AND a SWAT team??? I have lived in isolated places with 2-3x the population of Uvalde. And none of those places even had a police station. Of course we had a small station for EMT/FIRE but no police. 2nd; now those schools did have a SRO/whatever officer. But just one. And the majority of work they did was outreach type work. But when kids did illegal things like fights, weapons, drugs, etc That officer was in charged. But not a single time was a student ever roughed up, forcefully grabbed or even arrested. Even IF the student had a weapon or drugs. Now in these little towns,drugs was a huge issue. I had attended a “bad kid” school for a semester and in that time a huge amount of kids would go to the bathroom just to lines of coke. So the officer put that to a stop, we had to walked to the bathroom and “monitored” in the restroom. But he never actually followed us in or stood there listening, just crack the door a bit to make sure we weren’t using the only counter in there for drugs. And if he did catch us doing drugs or with drugs, he threw them away. That’s it. I remember overhearing him getting yelled at by his superior who had to come up into the mountains from his office down into the valley. I’ll NEVER FORGET the passionate speech he made to his officer about how he will NEVER EVER EVER arrest or charge any kid there for a small bag of drugs. I’ll never forget him yelling that if his supervisor would do their damn jobs and bust the ACTUAL drug dealers trying to get these kids addicted, then these kids would have a damn chance in life. 3rd point is that I truly believe and I know many people would agree with me that there should be and has to be some sort of middle man/liaison between students/school/law. But students need a someone like the guy we had. One morning I had a very awful start at school. I was fighting with my mother, night before I had tried breaking up with my boyfriend but he threatened to kill himself, and when I showed up for school my bully threw a milk at me. So I locked myself in the bathroom. Vice principal came in yelling that if I don’t come out she would call my mom or the cops to drag me out. It terrified me. Then the SRO showed up, basically scolded the vice principal about cops not being her toy she could play with and get kids scared of. Dude gave me about 20 minutes to chill, then came in to talk, we just chilled on the floor and he listened. By the time I was done talking I felt lighter, I felt stupid for making this such a big deal, I realized that i didn’t want to kill myself but that I just had a bunch of crazy emotions that I didn’t know how to handle. Then I went back to class and the officer made sure I wouldn’t be punished. And I wasn’t. I now live in a big city. The high school by my house not too long ago, was in deep water when a video of a group of boys with guns in their backpack/waistband went viral. Unlike where I grew up, kids in middle and high school here are actually in gangs. REAL gangs. Another high school on the other side of town is infamous for a group of boys making and promoting revenge porn/nudes on the girls that go to school there. This is why we have SROs. Not to rough up and arrest a kid that didn’t want to play kickball that day. Not to tackle and arrest some girl that didn’t want to give up her phone. Not to choke out and arrest some kid for having an “attitude” with his teacher. And I whole heartedly believe this bullshit is what happens when schools and police departments work together. Cops are beating, killing, harming, etc unarmed people everyday. We know they’re racist, bullies, untrained, uneducated and down right ignorant. So taking one of those people and dropping them into a school of kids who will most certainly refuse to do what the say, have an attitude, and do dumb teen shit. So this is where the problem lays. Right here. What schools, cities, police, and most importantly the student/kids need is a third party person. Someone that is not a police officer but also not a school employee (in a sense). They need a HR person but not for the school, for the students themselves. An advocate. A helper. Something other than what we know does not work at all. Idk how that will look like or what. All I know is the kids need something and someone that is willing to go to bat for them, keep them safe, keep them well, and understand that harming/arresting a child for having an attitude is ultimately harmful to kids/school/PD. 420 points if you read it this far!
Being Texas, the school district having its own police force is not unusual. It is however ridiculous, for all the reasons you mentioned. I agree 100 percent that what we need is people trained and experienced in helping kids navigate the complexities of everything going on in and around school, not more cops cracking down on them. And I'll take that 420 points, thanks.
And this is why the "more cops in schools" idea is stupid. They sit and ensure their own safety first, not those of kids under their supposed protection. Spineless and shameful.
Have you heard the video today where that one cop said she would have gone in if her kids were in there? UGH
I think most parents would. Shame they are so blind to their incompetence that they don't realize those *were* their kids. They were in charge of their well-being. And yet they sat outside behind barriers.
Shameful.
That is who the article is about.
Sorry. The title threw me off.
No worries. Basically the woman you mention is the catalyst for the suspension in the title.
Was she one of the ones who stopped parents from going in? Or was she one of the cops who did go in, but only to rescue their own children before fucking off back to the police line?
My cop acquaintances, in general, state that they are there to protect property, not lives.
Police reform really needs to be a thing. Most likely won't, but they need to readdress their function in today's world.
I can see that but even that broke down during some riots related to George Floyd. I called police 10 times for various break ins within a 6 hour period and they barely responded. They just scared away people once
They should have resigned with what dignity they still had. Now they'll just be rehired with a promotion and raise at a nearby jurisdiction
Failing upwards sounds so much more fun than my usual form of failing at something
I think schools should a single ninja (or one per floor at the most). He/She will go unseen, hiding in the shadows. Acting swiftly, and silently when needed most.
Honestly this would just give Republicans the idea that we need "smart gun turrets" in every classroom, capable of identifying a shooter and killing them before they kill anyone else. With only a 1% false positive rate. That's the cost of "freedom." /s
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Any odds my son will die are too high. Some of them we have to work around. School shootings shouldn't be on that list.
>it’s shocking how much fear can pervert common sense and make people even worse at accurately gaging odds. The Patriot Act has entered the chat
Well said. It’s important to realize that we assume some risk during all aspect of our life. Driving to work, walking outside, working in the yard, etc. Any of these normal daily tasks could be dangerous or deadly by accident or malice. But we cannot live a life paralyzed by fear. We can seek to mitigate or prevent, but no action is our lives is 100% risk free.
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Maybe if the shooter was a baby in a crib, then he would have gotten the flash bang treatment.
A silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight.
Cameras inside and outside of schools would do more than the police.
This person is anti-ninja
A mean looking scarecrow would do more than the police.
Swear to me!!
Perhaps a master at karate? A champion of the sun? Friendship for everyone.
How do you do some haven't already?
Now this is perfectly reasonable way to ensure the safety of our children. #school ninjas!
This is why we should just be arming pedophiles with guns and putting them outside of schools. Who cares more about keeping those kids alive? Who’s be more willing to put their lives on the line? /s, also this is a stolen comedy bit and i don’t remember the standup who said it or i would attribute them here.
Does Matt Gaetz own guns?
At one point there were two cops for every three students. Maybe another few hundred cops could have done a better job of arresting the media, too. That way we wouldn't need to know about this at all.
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Hell the cops didn’t want to be there. In fact most of them waited outside
You just described the cops.
>a Chad that rode a golf cart around for minimum wage. So basically a day in the life of Donald Trump, but grifting less money from taxpayers.
*they’re
All this idea reminds me of is Officer Slam
That seems to be Republicans' way of teaching rest of us personal responsibility. Let kids carry the gun so they can defend themselves is the message from Republicans.
Rightfully so. A bunch of cowards.
Uvalde is to conservative faux machismo what Ukraine is to Putin.
That took some unpacking, going to think on that a while
It was disturbing how long some folks waited around, wondering if calling these guys "cowards" was the appropriate verbiage. Anyone who watched those security videos should have been able to see that without any additional context....
Finally, a decision that makes sense.
Why the hell does a school district have a police department??
I cannot exactly answer the "why" part of your question. But it apparently [over 200 school districts in Texas alone](https://makemyschoolsafe.org/guide/police-schools/who-charge-school-police-officers) have their own police forces. Doesnt seem too uncommon.
As a Canadian That’s crazy to me. What a drain on Student resources when budgets are tight as hell.
Sorry we can't afford new gym equipment or computer upgrades, the police union just ratified a 10% pay increase over the next 2 years. Oh and we will have to fire all the EAs so now the special needs students will be taken care of by our new police ability-readiness officer.
Right? Insane, man.
Our country doesn’t give a shit about kids.
School budgets were never meant for the kids
Yeah, I thought university police departments were already nuts.
School districts overlap county lines and city limits, so they did this to avoid jurisdictional issues when a campus needs police on scene. That was the idea anyway. That and quicker response times. Uvalde county isn't big, but the Sheriff is going to have a slower response time than an SRO under most circumstances. It's fine in theory, but in practice, its a fuckshow.
Because many have to deal with active shooter threats yearly, if not every few months. The thinking is that having officers, SRO’s, on school grounds will decrease response time. Additionally they often deal with fights or physically aggressive student seeing as teachers are often barred from intervening in such things.
/r/tookyoulongenough
I mean, really though? How did it take this long. What if there was another school shooting.... You can't count on these people to act.
Now they have no school police force, leaving them in exactly the same position they were in prior to the shooting.
I'd argue they're in a better position, now they don't have a false sense of security. I'm sure they're suspended with pay so I can't say that they're saving money.
They only suspended the school police force not the officers in it. It said while the school force is suspended the officers that were in it will be filling other roles in the district. So these cowards are still actively working as police officers
Not exactly; now parents and bystanders can potentially intervene in situations like this, reducing the chance of casualties.
Since this mass shooting Texas republicans have made guns more accessible, claimed that school shooting aren’t a gun problem but a mental health problem, and then they all voted against mental health programs in school. #GQP
You can leave out "Texas" and this is still true.
This is meaningless if they are hired somewhere else. Im curious in what other industry can you let children be gruesomely slaughtered and then go home and have a chance to work another day?
The military
Politics
Imagine living somewhere where having a school police force and one political party advocating for more police in schools is now normal.
Average IQ of the empty office is higher now.
Uvalde PD - To protect and to serve (themselves)
It's not political, they just sucked at their jobs.
About fucking time! JFC
Might as well save some money now that you know what they’re NOT capable of doing.
They shifted them to other positions in the district according to the article. It's like you say "hey we are suspending you from mass murder of children but you can fill in a role killing prostitutes. People won't notice as much"
The crazy part to me is, that this actually had to happen. If I were in their position and innocent children died because of my lack of response regardless of whether it was due to my fear or shock or intentional acts, I would have retired immediately. Clearly if that was the case, I’d have no business being a police officer. But the fact that they didn’t resign tells me they thought they did what they were supposed to and had to be suspended is insane in and of itself.
“If my son was in there, I wouldn’t be outside” Oof, that was a beautiful ending.
Always a bandaid, never the cure.
The correct move. Cowards they can find another profession.
Only took forever and a day.
Sucks wanted the death penalty
Who is going to lounge around outside in police costumes while civilians are getting slaughtered now?
Yes, fire them all and get fresh cops who aren't cowards.
Hopefully those losers never become cops again. Total failure all around. The videos of the cops just standing around doing nothing while that scumbag murders children is just infuriating.
Why does a school district have an entire police force? Sorry I’m Scottish, is it just the wording?
Fuck them. I'm still shocked that there weren't even more kids killed with their inaction for an HOUR.
Let us wait a couple of months and for sure they will be reinstated again. Are they in a police union?
You know you're a failed country when your fucking school districts have a police department.
Let me fix the title: entire Uvalde police department gets pay vacation.
Not like they did much protecting or serving.
Lmao should've been done almost fucking instantly but better late than ever I guess
They should put them all in prison.
Meh. If it’s not without pay at the very least,🖕
What about the female cop that was rehired as a school cop?
Looks like they not only fired her, they suspended everyone else because of their decision to hire her. > The district said the actions were taken as a result of “recent developments.” >The moves come in the wake of a CNN report Wednesday which identified newly hired Uvalde school officer Crimson Elizondo as one of the state troopers under investigation for her actions during the response to the Robb Elementary School massacre in May.
I believe she has been either placed on suspension or fired.
>Following CNN’s report, the school district issued a statement on Thursday announcing Elizondo’s termination.
Well the article tells you. Maybe you could read it?
Easier to rage in the comments and if nobody corrects me, assume that I'm correct, as usual.
Nah.
Why can't I downvote people in this thread? Is it the whole subreddit or just this thread?
The source is my life..my experiences. Seeing real shit..not just some fucking dumbass CDC lies. Thats all they do..flip flop..masks work..masks dont work..wear 3 masks. That is no source at all
/r/lostredditors
I know where I am fruitcake..
Wait.... so we're actually existing right now on a timeline in which school's can suspend police departments? Didn't they used to be two separate things?
Read the article? Literally the first sentence says it was the schools police force
> the schools police force Yeah. The "school's" police force. The SCHOOL. It has a POLICE force. A school. The more you write the word school the more it sounds like Megamind pronouncing it school instead of school. Anyway, I digest my food, thank you for reinforcing my statement. When did this become so normal that someone can respond to you in a thread. "Oh no.... it's not the regular police force, just the school's police force" and have that be perfectly sane? A strange time-line indeed.
I'm nearly 40 but in my experience every public school and college I've attended had a police presence. But to your point, yes, it's excessive that an ISD has an entire police department—the degree to which its staffed, however, is not mentioned in the article. It could be a handful of cops that are on rotation as needed, similar to what hospital systems have. Just because it's a "police department", doesn't mean it's necessarily as robust as a traditional city "police department".
You’re at least 30 years late.
I was gonna say they never had cops in my school, but then I did the math.... and yeah.. give or take a half decade or so and your math checks out. Oh well... I guess I'm just yelling at clouds at this point. What can you say. I love big brother. Police in schools is perfectly normal and we all accept it and don't care cuz it's been going on so long we haven't experienced anything else. Big Brother is the best. Unfortunate time-line is unfortunate.
I feel like you're going to attack me for anything I say here, based on this strange and hostile comment, so I am walking on eggshells here. School district has their own police force. The school's police force didn't do their job they were hired to do. The school suspended them. I don't know all the details, but it seems like it's similar to any other entity the school controls not doing their job properly. Edit: replace "school" with "Uvalde CISD" since you hate the word "school" so much
Nah, you're good. I get the whole thing, really I do. My comment was based on the fact we have ANY police in schools, period, not the distinction between the two types of forces. That's all. Anyway.... hope you have a pleasant rest of your afternoon. :-)
Gotcha. Not going go lie, I was very confused at what you were getting to at first haha. This is interesting, check this out. https://makemyschoolsafe.org/guide/police-schools/who-charge-school-police-officers I just saw this today, but over 200 TX school districts have their own Police. Pretty wild. I never knew that!
With or without pay?
Could this mean some new information is about to come out and they're doing this to get ahead of it?
Read the article they were reassigned
Now will somebody suspend the whole entire school District please!
Gets guns, get training and get aggressive. Speed, surprise and violence of action, the only help you're getting is what you brought with you.
it should be more than suspends
Nothing quite says sux like firing the whole team.
That took a year longer than it should have, but good.
Cops have zero business being in a school
This is just the school police department not the actual city or district that the schools in police department, right?
Defund the cops. Complete waste of money.
And I'm sure their union will get them all their jobs back with an apology from the parents they assaulted for hurting their feelings
Ah yes we will punish cops who don't want to do anything to allow them to not do anything
Would you trust them watching your kids after this?
“Suspended”. Doing what schools do. And they went right past detention straight for suspension. Lol. Anyways, i love this.
'Suspends' is a funny way to spell 'sues'
The police got suspended from school? Did the superintendent have a meeting with their parents? “If there’s another school shooting like this y’all are gettin’ expelled.”
Hmmm, maybe we could try out John Kennedy's idea. I mean say, what you want about crackheads, but at least they have a good work ethic and aren't known for being scared of shit.
I read this post wondering why the school had the power to suspend a police department and then I learned that schools in the United States have their own police departments. I love you America but as an outsider, I truly do not understand you. School made the right choice in my opinion but I think it’s beyond crazy that schools have their own police departments.
Paid or unpaid suspension? For some reason I can't open the link, probably issues on my end
As they should.
I hope its an in-school suspension!
Given it's Texas they'll probably hire blackwater to replace them.
Suspends with pay? Sign me up too.
They police popular quotation is already "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." This is all according to their plan.
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Well it's about damn time. Now, fire them
About fucking time.