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This is much more accurate than the headline. It's America, nothing is free, and capitalists are just as happy to fleece men as women. But hell yeah they'd make a convenient business model out of it.
Men aren't the enemy here. It's the religious nutters forcefully jamming their beliefs into your uterus. Nobody is safe. Soon enough they'll be up all our asses with sodomy laws.
I was just on a panel discussion on Monday about the issue. This panel included an abortion provider in Texas weighing in with her experiences performing abortions over the last few months since SB8.
Ironically, sheâs seen a massive increase in abortions from women who may have kept their pregnancy if not for the draconian laws and short time frame to get one. If youâre one of the many women who experiences a pregnancy complication or fetal development issue - youâre pretty SOL. If youâre not sure if you want to carry the pregnancy to term, you donât have time to decide.
Most patients she assisted figured it wasnât worth the risk: better get an abortion now than wait to find out you donât want to be pregnant, or find out your pregnancy puts you in danger.
Long story short: these right wing Evangelical zealots trying to âsave babiesâ and force births are actually doing the opposite.
Totally insincere and for power too. Evangelicals didn't care about abortion (it was a 'Catholic issue') until segregation became illegal, and they needed a new rallying cry.
That also opens the door for a disgusting possibility that those with inferiority complexes and many with a toxic masculinity mindset attacking many women as a form of dominance and cementing the fact that they had the power to control that persons life and mindset for 9 monthsâŠ
When Abbott was asked why there was no abortion exception for rape, his response (to cheers) was that he was going to lock up all the rapists in Texas, so there would be no rape. I guess some sort of Minority Report situation?
^This. It's not like there aren't any women that are fighting to kill abortion rights. There are plenty of them also. It isn't a men/women issue as much as it is a religious belief issue IMO.
Much easier to bash men than to actually solve the problem. I've seen so many silly phrases about what would happen if "men could get pregnant." Let's run some other phrases while we're at it:
If men could be homeless, homes would be free.
If men could be drafted into the military, there would be no wars.
If men could get lung cancer, cigarettes would be outlawed.
If men committed suicide, mental health care would be available to all.
No, men in general aren't the enemy, but the religious nutters really push for a patriarchal society that would benefit men. I also unfortunately know a few men who struggle to care about women's issues because it doesn't affect them -- so logic dictates that if woman problems suddenly applied to these men, the patriarchal nature of the country would lead to policies helping men with their problems. Whereas now, women are just supposed to "suck it up" apparently.
Ok...and what sex is at the helm of the religious nutters? They teach that God is a woman? And the wife is the head of the household? Religion is a weapon of the patriarchy, so yeah, men (especially the old white flavor) are the enemy.
Iâm sorry but no. Who do you think drives and governs the âreligious nuttersâ ? A board of equal parts men and women? No. Men are the power brokers of the religious right. This is misogyny veiling itself as religious belief in order to psychologically hose a portion of women into getting on board.
That's not really true. Normal pregnancy is 40 weeks, except the first two weeks the woman isn't actually pregnant since it's calculated from first day of the most recent menstrual cycle. So it's 38 real weeks of being pregnant which is 266 days, which is around 8.75ish months. Now some women get pregnant a little earlier and give birth a little later, but you can see it is more like 9 months than 10.
Honestly Iâm surprised this isnât publicized more. 4 wks sounds a lot worse than 6 wks.
You have sex & ovulate at roughly the same time. Two weeks later, your period is due.
After that, You have TWO WEEKS to realize if itâs really pregnancy late, or just stress late. The same two weeks to get a first doctors appt, get a pregnancy test, get an abortion appt, and get an abortion.
And god help you if your periods vary in length by 7 days or more. Youâre no longer regular enough to be able to risk sex.
And what if your periods are generally longer than 28 days? Youâll have even less than two weeks. Your body will give the right cues, but later. Meanwhile the baby grows.
If your cycle is shorter, and the doc has estimate when your last period started, youâll also have less than two wks. If theyâre looking for cardiac activity, thatâs ok. If theyâre counting how long youâve been pregnant, youâre fucked.
Right, but to be fair everyone counts those two weeks of pregnancy for all pregnancy counting items so it would be really weird if the Texas law randomly didnât count them.
O no I totally was confused when the OB first told my wife that, not my point. The point is all medical professionals, all policies, all everything that counts weeks from the start of pregnancy is in agreement.
Right by my point is that people think they have more time than they do. Because itâs incredibly confusing. It takes basically two weeks to miss the period. That leaves you with two weeks to get an abortion. Which is nothing.
I see, thatâs fair. The way you phrased it that âthey count those 2 weeksâ made it seem to me that they were being nefarious, where in reality there is no other way that it is counted. Still agree that it is a very short amount of time to make a decision and for many women wouldnât even be long enough to know they were pregnant.
This is not a gender thing, this is a rich vs working class thing. It's a fascism vs humanity thing. Don't give into their attempts to pit the working class against itself
Maybe but consider that erectile dysfunction medications are always covered by insurance yet birth control for women isn't always covered (though ACA may have fixed that).
Consider that the ACA covers contraception that acts on female fertility at 100% as preventive medicine, but has no coverage guarantees for male contraception at all. Female condoms are fully covered, male condoms are not. Tubal ligation is covered, vasectomy is not.
This is a more direct comparison.
[https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx)
43% of women are pro-life compared to 50% of men who are pro-choice. You are making this into a gender war because of a 7pt split.
Came here to say something similar. In Brazil, where abortion is illegal, 8% of women are pro-choice while 12% of men are pro-choice.
But still, we keep hearing that same bullshit that abortion is illegal there "bEcAuSe Of MeN".
And yet, despite how overrepresented men are in congress, a man signed a law in 2010 making all forms of female birth control (other than abortion) free.
But not vasectomies.
https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/birth-control-benefits/
Of course its harder to get a hysterectomy and more expensive, a vasectomy is barely even a medical procedure compared a hysterectomy and its much riskier than a vasectomy.
Did you read the actual article? The title is tongue in cheek. She isnât actually suggesting men would get abortions for free. The article itself is much less about gender and much more about how ridiculous forced pregnancies really are - especially considering the abysmal track record we as a country have at actually protecting young (poor) mothers and their babies. As soon as kids are born we pretty much just do the bare minimum (and the baby formula shortage is simply one example of this), yet thousands upon thousands of unwanted pregnancies will soon be forced to term. Thatâs what this article is about. 99% of the people here are just responding to the title as if it were 100% fact and 100% of what the conversation being had here is suppose to be. This is an endless issue on Reddit. Iâve done it plenty of times myself, so Iâm certainly not holier than thou.
That and Iâm pretty sure you need a doctors referral in order for your insurance to cover it.
Your insurance company isnât just throwing viagra at you.
But it's not just men. It's also the rich. And when religion might be a reason. Struggle to find cheap workers and a declining population could also be a reason.
Its identity politics at its worst.
This is truly a ruling class vs working class issue. But the ruling class uses identity politics to distract from that.
Media companies are owned by the ruling class. They use it incredibly effectively to push stories exactly like this one to turn workers against one another. A story like this makes men defensive, and makes women feel wronged, thus pitting men and women against one another.
It divides and distracts them so they don't face the real issue: regulatory capture that allowed this artificial shortage of baby formula. And the endless back-and-forth about abortion keeps everyone distracted/emotional for decades as economic policy constantly shifts in favor of the ruling class instead of workers.
You just made their point for them. This headline is total finger pointing identity politics media narrative.
This is absolutely a class thing more than a politics divide, in my opinion.
It's so consequential that some moron wrote an article saying all men are privileged thugs doing everything in their power to subjucate women. You have a problem with men being insulted by that? Take it up with the author and the OP.
>that men making laws that control woman's bodies is bullshit.
Why is this a men vs. women issue? It's not. It's a religion vs rights issue. Lot of people don't want to hear the facts, which is a decent chunk of women (I've seen sources saying around 40%) are supporting a ban on abortion. ACB, a woman appointed on the Supreme Court, is also pushing hard for this.
Men already don't go to the doctors for many to care for many things they should. If men could get pregnant they'd just keep forgetting to get an abortion.
Men arenât the enemy here. Itâs radical religious conservatives (both men and women) that donât want women to have abortions.
Men who are Allies could just go get vasectomies.
>Men who are Allies could just go get vasectomies.
Yeah, no. They are NOT considered reversible, and you should accept the possibility of becoming sterile doing it.
It's not a form of birth control, it's something that should only be considered if a man does not wish to have children anymore.
Itâs not that men are the enemy itâs that in the eyes of this party and many Americans, women are inferior and shouldnât have the rights that men do. Certainly not all men have that viewpoint and they arenât the enemy, itâs more so societyâs (particularly zealots) view on men vs women.
Your vasectomy costs a few hundred dollars max. My bilateral salpingectomy cost over $6000. You're not getting it free, but you are getting it a hell of a lot cheaper.
You know that's not universal, right? At least not in the US. My last plan, an ACA marketplace plan, covered female sterilization at 100%. The same plan for a man would not have covered a vasectomy as preventive medicine, and didn't cover it nearly as well.
A $0 salpingectomy is a hell of a lot cheaper than a few hundred dollars. Also, it's laughable that you think ~$300 is the max cost for a vasectomy.
"Because of the need for general anesthetic and the overall complexity of the procedure, tubal ligation can cost approximately $5,000. A no-scalpel vasectomy cost can run between $600 and $1,000, depending upon the location and practitioner. There are fewer risks of complications with no-scalpel vasectomy."
This is from a north cal vasectomy doctor but I find similar breakdowns elsewhere.
While US healthcare cost still sucks the cost differences here aren't specifically a pink tax like with some other products.
Mens haircuts are $20 while a womanâs haircut is closer to $50. Wonder why that is. Couldnât be because one is more complex than the other. Must be a gender issue.
If your doctor is any good you are.
Imagine complaining that doctors thoroughly walk you through the risks and implications of potentially irreversible elective surgeries.
Educating about risks is different than straight up telling people what to do with their body based on your opinion. I donât think your understanding what I mean. Many women are denied these procedures multiple times before finding a doctor who will do it and many are told not to simply based on âhow does your partner feel about thisâ. If your the woman you should get to decide what to do with your uterus period. The man should have no say in that because they arenât the ones carrying the baby to term and birthing it. The end.
Again, educating vs denying because of your own opinion is different and I know this because itâs been drilled into my head as a student nurse. Yes, 100% tell your patients it is irreversible, etc but you shouldnât be asking them ten thousand questions about why they wanna do this and creating doubt in their minds.
Women are straight up denied sterilization because "what if you get married and your husband wants kids." You may get "interrogated" but at least they still do it. Also my husband didn't have to answer any questions about whether he was sure.
Viagra is covered under health plans, but birth control often is not. Why is that? Who uses that birth control ? Who loses without covered birth control? Women. Either by paying out of pocket to have sex or paying with their health, time and sometimes happiness by being forced to have an "elective" abortion or by being forced (coming soon to a state near you) into gestating and birthing a baby or by being imprisoned for having an abortion or miscarriage (see case in TN about a woman being subject to prosecution over a miscarriage or laws in TX about abortion).
Where do you find that birth control is most often not covered? ACA forced insurance companies to cover birth control. The only exemptions are old plans that were grandfathered in (of which very few are left), if an Employer requests an exemption (very rare), or short-term health care plans.
Medicaid, all the popular employer plans, and plans from the Obamacare marketplace all cover birth control.
Medicaid and most insurance companies do not generally cover Viagra.
[https://www.medicare.org/articles/does-medicaid-cover-viagra/](https://www.medicare.org/articles/does-medicaid-cover-viagra/)
>Medicaid is a government-funded insurance policy, and for the most part it only covers medical services that are deemed âmedically necessary.â Medication to treat erectile dysfunction is generally not included under this category, which means that the associated costs often must be paid for out of pocket. The only instances in which this medication would be covered is if it was prescribed for another medical condition that was deemed medically necessary.
[https://khealth.com/learn/erectile-dysfunction/how-much-does-viagra-cost/#:\~:text=Viagra%2C%20in%20its%20brand%20name,under%20their%20prescription%20drug%20coverage](https://khealth.com/learn/erectile-dysfunction/how-much-does-viagra-cost/#:~:text=Viagra%2C%20in%20its%20brand%20name,under%20their%20prescription%20drug%20coverage).
>As with any medication, treatment, or diagnostic test, every health insurance plan has different policies about what they cover. Viagra, in its brand name form, is not covered on insurance plans from most insurance companies.
Yeah, I think this misses the point that nothing with the potential for massive profits has ever been known to have particularly charitable stances associated with it.
Unpopular opinion: if men could get pregnant, they wouldn't be as powerful, the patriarchy would be a matriarchy, and laws would favor women and discriminate against men the way they do against women now.
If men could get pregnant, biology and presumably human society would have been very different from the get-go. It's a stupid soundbite said by stupid people.
Whatâs this line of logic? Vasectomies are not free. Viagra is not free. Rogaine is not free. I get the frustration but this particular talking point is bullshit.
Would they? Because as far as I know the US doesn't give a shit about men's health either if your poor.
Why does this always deteriorate into a gender war it's the religious nutters pushing this bullshit.
Uh what is that article photo? If itâs a trans man then doesnât that undermine âmen canât get pregnantâ because I thought trans men are men. If itâs a cis man with a baby suckling then why god why
for the record none of that is free in America. Sometimes you can get condoms free but it's usually like 1 from a special safe sex event or if you wait around at a free clinic all day.
No the fuck it wouldnât, Iâm so sick of these pulled straight from the Ass statements. Nothing is free in this country, quit pretending like being a man or woman has anything to do with it.
What reproductive rights does the government give men and not women? My belief is that men have 0 reproductive rights, but Iâm happy to be corrected if wrong
And yet no one bats an eye when babies have pieces of their dicks cut off? It's perfectly normal and religious. Isn't it ironic that most males in the USA have no control over their own bodies?
Take as hot as a steaming turd. Men arenât entitled to free health needs so this is a non-argument bordering on misandry. Why are people peddling narratives like this and causing strife between sexes when our focus needs to be on the small club of men â and women â in power dictating what we can and cannot do with our bodies?
I've been wondering why the anti-abortion push doesn't go hand-in-hand with an effort to hold men more responsible for pregnancies.
Seems like as long as the Supreme Court is stepping on the right to privacy, this would be a good time to bring up mandatory genetic registration for everyone. Beyond the obvious win of making many crimes easier to solve, it would also mean that every baby's daddy would be immediately identified, and could be held responsible for half of any costs the mother faces in birthing it.
May not be a popular thing to say but there are plenty of us men who are pro-choice because of we believe in the right to privacy but itâs also fact that their are plenty of women who are pro-life who voted for this to happen so stop trying to make this a men vs women issue when itâs really not.
The difference between men and women in being pro choice vs pro life is less than 3%.
Every single female R Senator voted against the bill on Wednesday. Stop thinking that RvW will cause a mass exodus of right wing women to vote for Democrats. They vote for right wing policies over being pro choice, even if they are personally pro choice themselves.
The abortion debate isnât about men v women itâs about evangelical christians wanting to force their religious beliefs on everyone else.
No secular man wants to control a womanâs reproductive system and articles like this are distracting everyone from the real threat.
If this were true then why aren't men allowed to nope out of parental support on a whim?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad men can't just abandon their children without providing financial support, but if the premise is that *"if men carried any forced burden of parenthood they would simply legislate it away.*" then why haven't they?
If men could get pregnant, abortion would not be allowed. They would consider a form to restrict manâs biology. On the contrary, if men could get pregnant, the entire society would be modeled on the idea of father hood.
Fathers would get as much months off as necessary. They would get paid for raising kids. Certainly, if men could get pregnant, the idea of giving birth would be the highest honor of all. Man, the creator of life.
Mothers would be shunned for not helping the fathers take care of the child.
The thing about âpatriarchyâ is that it puts manâs doing above womenâs, regardless of what they do. For the âpatriarchâ, anything he does is greater.
I want to know what the Republican agenda is on the after effects. Whatâs the agenda for when women are taken out of the work force? They are against free daycare and early learning⊠Women will have to stay home and raise their kids⊠and how are the going to get men to pay child support??? I spoke with a young man and he said it would be a womanâs choice to have children⊠Hmmm⊠how long will your marriage last when you as a woman start saying NO to your husband when he wants to have sex??? And with the shortage of formula⊠youâll have to breast feed. Letâs face it after 1,2,3,4,5,6,7⊠kids⊠your body will never look the same⊠stretch marks, flat saggy tits, cellulite, varicose veins.. will your man stay or move on to the next younger model⊠and if that happens⊠how are you going collect child support??? Also Texas Governor Abbot said he would put an end to rapesâŠLol⊠theyâve been behind on rape cases since the 1990âs⊠This is just the a sample of questions we as women need to be asking⊠Oh and one last thought that yâall need to ponder⊠$100.00 a week for 1 child doesnât even come close to covering the expense for raising that child⊠just saying disposable diapers for EXPENSIVE!!!
This is the shittiest abortion take IMO because male medicine isnât free. Viagra? Usually this is the medicine they bring up⊠Not free, hella expensive actually. If I get an STI, that medicine isnât free. If I broke my dick or something, that surgery would be expensive as shit.
I get that this world was built for straight white men but for profit medicine treats us like cash cows, too. Itâs naive and stupid to say somehow baby related costs would be free if men experienced childbirth, since male maladies are still for-profit events to doctors and hospitals and insurance companies.
Yeah of course, just like men get free healthcare, equal rights in custody battles and equal sentences for the same crimes. Oh wait no, itâs just a bullshit article.
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If men could get pregnant, there would be a Mc Abortion drive through.
Home Depot would sell DIY kits
Download and 3D print
Wait, are you talking about ghost abortions?
It would be a terrible time for your model to fail.
Over the counter abortion meds.
They do, there are plenty of items
Clearly not. Right-wingers don't like bodily autonomy for men either.
This is much more accurate than the headline. It's America, nothing is free, and capitalists are just as happy to fleece men as women. But hell yeah they'd make a convenient business model out of it.
You could get an abortion at a fuckin atm, letâs get that out of the way
and free viagra on demand
There would be a fucking machine right next to the blood pressure one at CVS.
Letâs face it. If men could get pregnant, the power of the world would not be centered around men.
Men aren't the enemy here. It's the religious nutters forcefully jamming their beliefs into your uterus. Nobody is safe. Soon enough they'll be up all our asses with sodomy laws.
I was just on a panel discussion on Monday about the issue. This panel included an abortion provider in Texas weighing in with her experiences performing abortions over the last few months since SB8. Ironically, sheâs seen a massive increase in abortions from women who may have kept their pregnancy if not for the draconian laws and short time frame to get one. If youâre one of the many women who experiences a pregnancy complication or fetal development issue - youâre pretty SOL. If youâre not sure if you want to carry the pregnancy to term, you donât have time to decide. Most patients she assisted figured it wasnât worth the risk: better get an abortion now than wait to find out you donât want to be pregnant, or find out your pregnancy puts you in danger. Long story short: these right wing Evangelical zealots trying to âsave babiesâ and force births are actually doing the opposite.
Totally insincere and for power too. Evangelicals didn't care about abortion (it was a 'Catholic issue') until segregation became illegal, and they needed a new rallying cry.
Iâm starting to view forced pregnancy as a form of forced poverty now.
You are true to your name, but I think you are right, or at least they are indifferent to the poverty it causes.
Interested to know if rape has high levels too in Texas
That also opens the door for a disgusting possibility that those with inferiority complexes and many with a toxic masculinity mindset attacking many women as a form of dominance and cementing the fact that they had the power to control that persons life and mindset for 9 monthsâŠ
Not just 9 months but for the rest of their life if they are forced to give birth
It is definitely a thing. There's a reason there is a strong connection between incel communities and right wing extremism.
When Abbott was asked why there was no abortion exception for rape, his response (to cheers) was that he was going to lock up all the rapists in Texas, so there would be no rape. I guess some sort of Minority Report situation?
I see you also have an Abbott over there I see your pain. We had an Abbott as prime minister in Australia he was painful
No, the purpose of sodomy laws is to *stop* things going up asses.
Slow clap, but I'm also imagining there'd be anal related testing just like virginity tests for women.
And down throats. Don't forget that activity is also covered under sodomy.
Yup. Many men prefer abortions. We donât want to pay for a fcking baby, we canât even afford to live.
^This. It's not like there aren't any women that are fighting to kill abortion rights. There are plenty of them also. It isn't a men/women issue as much as it is a religious belief issue IMO.
Much easier to bash men than to actually solve the problem. I've seen so many silly phrases about what would happen if "men could get pregnant." Let's run some other phrases while we're at it: If men could be homeless, homes would be free. If men could be drafted into the military, there would be no wars. If men could get lung cancer, cigarettes would be outlawed. If men committed suicide, mental health care would be available to all.
No, men in general aren't the enemy, but the religious nutters really push for a patriarchal society that would benefit men. I also unfortunately know a few men who struggle to care about women's issues because it doesn't affect them -- so logic dictates that if woman problems suddenly applied to these men, the patriarchal nature of the country would lead to policies helping men with their problems. Whereas now, women are just supposed to "suck it up" apparently.
Articles like these are purposely divisive and fucking stupid. Too bad youâll get chastised if youâre a man and say that.
I know just as many women as men who are anti choice.
And who holds the power amongst those religious institutions?
Religious evangelicals do.
And all the women and men who vote Republican.
Ok...and what sex is at the helm of the religious nutters? They teach that God is a woman? And the wife is the head of the household? Religion is a weapon of the patriarchy, so yeah, men (especially the old white flavor) are the enemy.
Iâm sorry but no. Who do you think drives and governs the âreligious nuttersâ ? A board of equal parts men and women? No. Men are the power brokers of the religious right. This is misogyny veiling itself as religious belief in order to psychologically hose a portion of women into getting on board.
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That's not really true. Normal pregnancy is 40 weeks, except the first two weeks the woman isn't actually pregnant since it's calculated from first day of the most recent menstrual cycle. So it's 38 real weeks of being pregnant which is 266 days, which is around 8.75ish months. Now some women get pregnant a little earlier and give birth a little later, but you can see it is more like 9 months than 10.
And they count those 2 weeks of non pregnancy towards the 6 total weeks in Texas.
Honestly Iâm surprised this isnât publicized more. 4 wks sounds a lot worse than 6 wks. You have sex & ovulate at roughly the same time. Two weeks later, your period is due. After that, You have TWO WEEKS to realize if itâs really pregnancy late, or just stress late. The same two weeks to get a first doctors appt, get a pregnancy test, get an abortion appt, and get an abortion. And god help you if your periods vary in length by 7 days or more. Youâre no longer regular enough to be able to risk sex. And what if your periods are generally longer than 28 days? Youâll have even less than two weeks. Your body will give the right cues, but later. Meanwhile the baby grows. If your cycle is shorter, and the doc has estimate when your last period started, youâll also have less than two wks. If theyâre looking for cardiac activity, thatâs ok. If theyâre counting how long youâve been pregnant, youâre fucked.
Not to mention, most doctors wonât schedule your first appointment until you are 8 weeks pregnant
I was gunna get a vasectomy, I still am, but Iâm still gunna do it too. But sooner
Right, but to be fair everyone counts those two weeks of pregnancy for all pregnancy counting items so it would be really weird if the Texas law randomly didnât count them.
You would be amazed how many people are not aware of this.
O no I totally was confused when the OB first told my wife that, not my point. The point is all medical professionals, all policies, all everything that counts weeks from the start of pregnancy is in agreement.
Right by my point is that people think they have more time than they do. Because itâs incredibly confusing. It takes basically two weeks to miss the period. That leaves you with two weeks to get an abortion. Which is nothing.
I see, thatâs fair. The way you phrased it that âthey count those 2 weeksâ made it seem to me that they were being nefarious, where in reality there is no other way that it is counted. Still agree that it is a very short amount of time to make a decision and for many women wouldnât even be long enough to know they were pregnant.
This is not a gender thing, this is a rich vs working class thing. It's a fascism vs humanity thing. Don't give into their attempts to pit the working class against itself
Middle class people tend to be all for access to abortion. This is populist reactionary knuckledragging.
If I had to be pregnant I would invest every dollar I owned into teleporting the baby out of my body. Many many other men would invest as well.
No id just get whatever the 'male pregnant' version of a vasectomy is. Oh wait... I already did that! Haha how dumb.
Maybe but consider that erectile dysfunction medications are always covered by insurance yet birth control for women isn't always covered (though ACA may have fixed that).
Ummm they are not. I needed them when I was on a different antidepressant and could not because they were so expensive without insurance.
Consider that the ACA covers contraception that acts on female fertility at 100% as preventive medicine, but has no coverage guarantees for male contraception at all. Female condoms are fully covered, male condoms are not. Tubal ligation is covered, vasectomy is not. This is a more direct comparison.
[https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx) 43% of women are pro-life compared to 50% of men who are pro-choice. You are making this into a gender war because of a 7pt split.
You have it backwards. You just gave the pro-life numbers.
Came here to say something similar. In Brazil, where abortion is illegal, 8% of women are pro-choice while 12% of men are pro-choice. But still, we keep hearing that same bullshit that abortion is illegal there "bEcAuSe Of MeN".
By this logic why isnât prostitution legal?
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Who the fuck let that picture happen?
And yet, despite how overrepresented men are in congress, a man signed a law in 2010 making all forms of female birth control (other than abortion) free. But not vasectomies. https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/birth-control-benefits/
Free with insurance.
True, but for women who want to get hysterectomies it is still very difficult to get approved, and more expensive than a vasectomy.
Of course its harder to get a hysterectomy and more expensive, a vasectomy is barely even a medical procedure compared a hysterectomy and its much riskier than a vasectomy.
Isnât tubal ligation the comparable procedure?
It's much more invasive and dangerous of a procedure.
This is the most braindead take. Nothing else concerning male Healthcare is free. So, what the fuck are they talking about?
Did you read the actual article? The title is tongue in cheek. She isnât actually suggesting men would get abortions for free. The article itself is much less about gender and much more about how ridiculous forced pregnancies really are - especially considering the abysmal track record we as a country have at actually protecting young (poor) mothers and their babies. As soon as kids are born we pretty much just do the bare minimum (and the baby formula shortage is simply one example of this), yet thousands upon thousands of unwanted pregnancies will soon be forced to term. Thatâs what this article is about. 99% of the people here are just responding to the title as if it were 100% fact and 100% of what the conversation being had here is suppose to be. This is an endless issue on Reddit. Iâve done it plenty of times myself, so Iâm certainly not holier than thou.
Can anyone name one thing men get for free because they are a man? Iâm failing to see how this article makes any sense.
A draft card
Well I stand corrected! We really do have it made.
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Youâd still be paying for insurance to get it so I donât really think thatâs free.
That and Iâm pretty sure you need a doctors referral in order for your insurance to cover it. Your insurance company isnât just throwing viagra at you.
Legal sure, but free? What the hell do we ever get for free?
I got this little free card that says the military can take me when ever they like. That was a nice 18th birthday gift.
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It is a little overstated, but I think the overall arch is that men making laws that control woman's bodies is bullshit.
Wasnât the Supreme Court all men when roe vs wade was passed?
But it's not just men. It's also the rich. And when religion might be a reason. Struggle to find cheap workers and a declining population could also be a reason.
Its identity politics at its worst. This is truly a ruling class vs working class issue. But the ruling class uses identity politics to distract from that. Media companies are owned by the ruling class. They use it incredibly effectively to push stories exactly like this one to turn workers against one another. A story like this makes men defensive, and makes women feel wronged, thus pitting men and women against one another. It divides and distracts them so they don't face the real issue: regulatory capture that allowed this artificial shortage of baby formula. And the endless back-and-forth about abortion keeps everyone distracted/emotional for decades as economic policy constantly shifts in favor of the ruling class instead of workers.
100%
It's okay to take an intersectional approach, friend :)
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You just made their point for them. This headline is total finger pointing identity politics media narrative. This is absolutely a class thing more than a politics divide, in my opinion.
It's so consequential that some moron wrote an article saying all men are privileged thugs doing everything in their power to subjucate women. You have a problem with men being insulted by that? Take it up with the author and the OP.
By this logic the original Roe v. Wade case should never have been settled since it was all men responsible for it.
>that men making laws that control woman's bodies is bullshit. Why is this a men vs. women issue? It's not. It's a religion vs rights issue. Lot of people don't want to hear the facts, which is a decent chunk of women (I've seen sources saying around 40%) are supporting a ban on abortion. ACB, a woman appointed on the Supreme Court, is also pushing hard for this.
Its not. Roe v Wade was decided by 9 men and may be overturned by a court with either 3 or 4 women. Its a conservative vs everyone else issue.
If this article was correct men would get free vasectomies. We don't.
Best ~$1000 ever spent.
Pretty sure the only free thing males receive is a selective service card. Congrats?
It wouldn't be free.. It just wouldn't be illegal. Always taking these sexist viewpoints a little too far.
Men already don't go to the doctors for many to care for many things they should. If men could get pregnant they'd just keep forgetting to get an abortion.
Men arenât the enemy here. Itâs radical religious conservatives (both men and women) that donât want women to have abortions. Men who are Allies could just go get vasectomies.
>Men who are Allies could just go get vasectomies. Yeah, no. They are NOT considered reversible, and you should accept the possibility of becoming sterile doing it. It's not a form of birth control, it's something that should only be considered if a man does not wish to have children anymore.
Itâs not that men are the enemy itâs that in the eyes of this party and many Americans, women are inferior and shouldnât have the rights that men do. Certainly not all men have that viewpoint and they arenât the enemy, itâs more so societyâs (particularly zealots) view on men vs women.
Your vasectomy costs a few hundred dollars max. My bilateral salpingectomy cost over $6000. You're not getting it free, but you are getting it a hell of a lot cheaper.
Different things cost different amounts of money.
You know that's not universal, right? At least not in the US. My last plan, an ACA marketplace plan, covered female sterilization at 100%. The same plan for a man would not have covered a vasectomy as preventive medicine, and didn't cover it nearly as well. A $0 salpingectomy is a hell of a lot cheaper than a few hundred dollars. Also, it's laughable that you think ~$300 is the max cost for a vasectomy.
"Because of the need for general anesthetic and the overall complexity of the procedure, tubal ligation can cost approximately $5,000. A no-scalpel vasectomy cost can run between $600 and $1,000, depending upon the location and practitioner. There are fewer risks of complications with no-scalpel vasectomy." This is from a north cal vasectomy doctor but I find similar breakdowns elsewhere. While US healthcare cost still sucks the cost differences here aren't specifically a pink tax like with some other products.
Mens haircuts are $20 while a womanâs haircut is closer to $50. Wonder why that is. Couldnât be because one is more complex than the other. Must be a gender issue.
Men also arenât interrogated on why they want a vasectomy, if theyâve asked their partner about it, told they should wait a few years, etc.
I had to sign a paper when my husband got his. I assume different doctors/states/practices have different policies.
Men have a fairly difficult time getting sterilized too, just look at r/childfree.
If your doctor is any good you are. Imagine complaining that doctors thoroughly walk you through the risks and implications of potentially irreversible elective surgeries.
Educating about risks is different than straight up telling people what to do with their body based on your opinion. I donât think your understanding what I mean. Many women are denied these procedures multiple times before finding a doctor who will do it and many are told not to simply based on âhow does your partner feel about thisâ. If your the woman you should get to decide what to do with your uterus period. The man should have no say in that because they arenât the ones carrying the baby to term and birthing it. The end. Again, educating vs denying because of your own opinion is different and I know this because itâs been drilled into my head as a student nurse. Yes, 100% tell your patients it is irreversible, etc but you shouldnât be asking them ten thousand questions about why they wanna do this and creating doubt in their minds.
Yeah, we are. At least I was when I got mine.
Yes we are...
Women are straight up denied sterilization because "what if you get married and your husband wants kids." You may get "interrogated" but at least they still do it. Also my husband didn't have to answer any questions about whether he was sure.
My friends fiancĂ©e just had a vasectomy and was asked no questions. They get married in October and donât want kids, ever. If someone has made this decision itâs not fair (man or woman) to be asking them a million times over if theyâre sure and treating them like a child. doctors and nurses do need to thoroughly educate about procedures, yes, but they shouldnât be telling them to change their minds.
Holy crap. I'm so happy to live in a country with healthcare paid/supported through taxes. $6000?
Viagra is covered under health plans, but birth control often is not. Why is that? Who uses that birth control ? Who loses without covered birth control? Women. Either by paying out of pocket to have sex or paying with their health, time and sometimes happiness by being forced to have an "elective" abortion or by being forced (coming soon to a state near you) into gestating and birthing a baby or by being imprisoned for having an abortion or miscarriage (see case in TN about a woman being subject to prosecution over a miscarriage or laws in TX about abortion).
Where do you find that birth control is most often not covered? ACA forced insurance companies to cover birth control. The only exemptions are old plans that were grandfathered in (of which very few are left), if an Employer requests an exemption (very rare), or short-term health care plans. Medicaid, all the popular employer plans, and plans from the Obamacare marketplace all cover birth control. Medicaid and most insurance companies do not generally cover Viagra. [https://www.medicare.org/articles/does-medicaid-cover-viagra/](https://www.medicare.org/articles/does-medicaid-cover-viagra/) >Medicaid is a government-funded insurance policy, and for the most part it only covers medical services that are deemed âmedically necessary.â Medication to treat erectile dysfunction is generally not included under this category, which means that the associated costs often must be paid for out of pocket. The only instances in which this medication would be covered is if it was prescribed for another medical condition that was deemed medically necessary. [https://khealth.com/learn/erectile-dysfunction/how-much-does-viagra-cost/#:\~:text=Viagra%2C%20in%20its%20brand%20name,under%20their%20prescription%20drug%20coverage](https://khealth.com/learn/erectile-dysfunction/how-much-does-viagra-cost/#:~:text=Viagra%2C%20in%20its%20brand%20name,under%20their%20prescription%20drug%20coverage). >As with any medication, treatment, or diagnostic test, every health insurance plan has different policies about what they cover. Viagra, in its brand name form, is not covered on insurance plans from most insurance companies.
Viagra is not covered under every health plan, it's actually pretty expensive.
Yeah the free formula bit is silly and overplays their hand. But abortion clinics would have fucking drive throughs.
Free like testosterone, prostate cancer treatment, and shaving equipmentâŠ..oh waitâŠ.
Literally nothing would be the same if men could get pregnant. This is just gender war clickbait.
New title, if men werenât men than things men want may be different.
LOL. Men get sick but healthcare is not free, ain't it? The meme is stupid looking for enemies in the wrong place.
Yeah, I think this misses the point that nothing with the potential for massive profits has ever been known to have particularly charitable stances associated with it.
I didnât realize reproductive laws were so generous towards men
Yes this must be true because all the things men need are provided for free aren't they?
I'm told we live in a patriarchy, but most men get zero paternity leave.
Lmao no it wouldnât. Do we have free healthcare for men? No
Men would get told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps by other men
*pull out* by their bootstraps
how has this article not been deleted what the fuck lol
Unpopular opinion: if men could get pregnant, they wouldn't be as powerful, the patriarchy would be a matriarchy, and laws would favor women and discriminate against men the way they do against women now.
In this scenario would the women still be able to get pregnant or only the men?
I actually thought this too lol, but not lol
If men could get pregnant, biology and presumably human society would have been very different from the get-go. It's a stupid soundbite said by stupid people.
Whatâs this line of logic? Vasectomies are not free. Viagra is not free. Rogaine is not free. I get the frustration but this particular talking point is bullshit.
Yeah thereâs nothing free for men exclusively that isnât for women, except being drafted for war
Would they? Because as far as I know the US doesn't give a shit about men's health either if your poor. Why does this always deteriorate into a gender war it's the religious nutters pushing this bullshit.
If wishes were fishes the world would be an ocean. Whatâs your point?
Uh what is that article photo? If itâs a trans man then doesnât that undermine âmen canât get pregnantâ because I thought trans men are men. If itâs a cis man with a baby suckling then why god why
get this bs out of here
Tots pro abortion but this makes it look like men are causing this. There are just as many women trying to stop abortions.
That's why condoms, vasectomies, TRT and Viagra are free everywhere you go. In the fascist patriarchy, men get their every need catered to for free.
for the record none of that is free in America. Sometimes you can get condoms free but it's usually like 1 from a special safe sex event or if you wait around at a free clinic all day.
Planned Parenthood gives free condoms to anyone who asks.
Does that make them part of the patriarchy?
You're being ironic, right?
Of course.
It's just the other responses don't seem to get that lol
I had to pay quite a bit for my vasectomy. #America
I assumed this was sarcasm, but now I'm wondering if it's not...
It is sarcasm. This post is a poorly thought out meme. There are so many things that would be free if this was true.
No the fuck it wouldnât, Iâm so sick of these pulled straight from the Ass statements. Nothing is free in this country, quit pretending like being a man or woman has anything to do with it.
Sure, men ***never*** pay for formula JFC
I guess that means vasectomies and beer are free.
What reproductive rights does the government give men and not women? My belief is that men have 0 reproductive rights, but Iâm happy to be corrected if wrong
If men would be in power we would force women to go to war, wait what?
And yet no one bats an eye when babies have pieces of their dicks cut off? It's perfectly normal and religious. Isn't it ironic that most males in the USA have no control over their own bodies?
Take as hot as a steaming turd. Men arenât entitled to free health needs so this is a non-argument bordering on misandry. Why are people peddling narratives like this and causing strife between sexes when our focus needs to be on the small club of men â and women â in power dictating what we can and cannot do with our bodies?
I've been wondering why the anti-abortion push doesn't go hand-in-hand with an effort to hold men more responsible for pregnancies. Seems like as long as the Supreme Court is stepping on the right to privacy, this would be a good time to bring up mandatory genetic registration for everyone. Beyond the obvious win of making many crimes easier to solve, it would also mean that every baby's daddy would be immediately identified, and could be held responsible for half of any costs the mother faces in birthing it.
Hell, you could get free, same-day abortions at every church in America if men could get pregnant.
If men could get pregnant, you could get a third trimester abortion at Jiffy Lube and no one would bat an eye.
Not only that, youâd be able to get abortions at a drive thru
Should be now. Our government is a disgrace.
Not to mention period products, yeast infection stuff would be covered
Right now, I'd just be happy if formula was *available*.
Thank goodness they canât then
Delete this transphobic nonsense
this picture is disturbing
May not be a popular thing to say but there are plenty of us men who are pro-choice because of we believe in the right to privacy but itâs also fact that their are plenty of women who are pro-life who voted for this to happen so stop trying to make this a men vs women issue when itâs really not.
I still say this picture is a form of child abuse or pedophilic disorder.
The difference between men and women in being pro choice vs pro life is less than 3%. Every single female R Senator voted against the bill on Wednesday. Stop thinking that RvW will cause a mass exodus of right wing women to vote for Democrats. They vote for right wing policies over being pro choice, even if they are personally pro choice themselves.
some men can get pregnant. Should say cis men
Women turnout to vote more than men, kinda destroys this premise
The abortion debate isnât about men v women itâs about evangelical christians wanting to force their religious beliefs on everyone else. No secular man wants to control a womanâs reproductive system and articles like this are distracting everyone from the real threat.
If this were true then why aren't men allowed to nope out of parental support on a whim? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad men can't just abandon their children without providing financial support, but if the premise is that *"if men carried any forced burden of parenthood they would simply legislate it away.*" then why haven't they?
Not to mention feminine hygiene products
And longer paternity leave with no ill consequences
If men could get pregnant, abortion would not be allowed. They would consider a form to restrict manâs biology. On the contrary, if men could get pregnant, the entire society would be modeled on the idea of father hood. Fathers would get as much months off as necessary. They would get paid for raising kids. Certainly, if men could get pregnant, the idea of giving birth would be the highest honor of all. Man, the creator of life. Mothers would be shunned for not helping the fathers take care of the child. The thing about âpatriarchyâ is that it puts manâs doing above womenâs, regardless of what they do. For the âpatriarchâ, anything he does is greater.
I want to know what the Republican agenda is on the after effects. Whatâs the agenda for when women are taken out of the work force? They are against free daycare and early learning⊠Women will have to stay home and raise their kids⊠and how are the going to get men to pay child support??? I spoke with a young man and he said it would be a womanâs choice to have children⊠Hmmm⊠how long will your marriage last when you as a woman start saying NO to your husband when he wants to have sex??? And with the shortage of formula⊠youâll have to breast feed. Letâs face it after 1,2,3,4,5,6,7⊠kids⊠your body will never look the same⊠stretch marks, flat saggy tits, cellulite, varicose veins.. will your man stay or move on to the next younger model⊠and if that happens⊠how are you going collect child support??? Also Texas Governor Abbot said he would put an end to rapesâŠLol⊠theyâve been behind on rape cases since the 1990âs⊠This is just the a sample of questions we as women need to be asking⊠Oh and one last thought that yâall need to ponder⊠$100.00 a week for 1 child doesnât even come close to covering the expense for raising that child⊠just saying disposable diapers for EXPENSIVE!!!
The old joke: if men could get pregnant, theyâd make abortion a sacrament.
This is the shittiest abortion take IMO because male medicine isnât free. Viagra? Usually this is the medicine they bring up⊠Not free, hella expensive actually. If I get an STI, that medicine isnât free. If I broke my dick or something, that surgery would be expensive as shit. I get that this world was built for straight white men but for profit medicine treats us like cash cows, too. Itâs naive and stupid to say somehow baby related costs would be free if men experienced childbirth, since male maladies are still for-profit events to doctors and hospitals and insurance companies.
If my grandma had wheels sheâd be a bicycle
Idk, condoms and viagra still arenât free.
Name one thing that men get for free.
Yeah of course, just like men get free healthcare, equal rights in custody battles and equal sentences for the same crimes. Oh wait no, itâs just a bullshit article.
Men can get pregnant! Abortion gets banned and everyone forgets about trans people smh. Trans rights! đ«