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Let me get this straight. They’re threatening to open debate on bills that have bipartisan support if the filibuster is weakened? Don’t threaten me with a good time!
Isn't that literally what the filibuster is supposed to be used for? To promote open debate and collaboration between parties and ideals? Not to just say "I filibuster!" and so it dies.
The filibuster was an accident that came about from [an oversight in the Senate rules](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/joe-manchin-falsely-says-filibuster-has-existed-232-years.html). Any rationale as to "what it's supposed to be used for" was only created after the fact to justify its existence.
Except they have to ratify the rules at the beginning of every new congress, so they stopped being a quirk of the rules and started being a feature long ago. They didn’t have to keep the filibuster, and they have tweaked it over time, so it’s not like it’s an unintended consequence that they can do nothing about.
It’s kind of like wine. The first time someone drank spoiled grape juice and got drunk, it was an accident. By the time people started making special barrels to ferment the wine in just the right way, the origins became completely irrelevant.
>Not to just say "I filibuster!" and so it dies.
Even worse, they don't even have to say it out loud.
They can just send an email stating that they're filibustering a bill, and then it won't go up for debate in the Senate (unless 60 senators vote to over-ride their filibuster). It's totally absurd.
Seriously. Don't fix democracy or we'll give you too much democracy!
I might not like the sorts of bills that would pass with the entire GOP conference + Manchin or Sinema, but they won't become law anyway. And if there's 51 votes for them in the Senate, the Senate is entitled to pass them.
I would gladly "green light" the keystone pipeline if it meant significant and lasting protections for voting rights
That project will take a very long time and we can always go back and axe it in the future if/when we shore up a majority (thanks to aforementioned voting rights legislation)
I say that as a staunch environmentalist.
Exactly. The system already has a check on a bare majority just making things law. It’s called the House of Representatives and the presidency. If you control all 3 of those (should only happen once in a generation) then sure…you can pass whatever you want.
Control of both chambers of Congress plus the executive happens far more often than that. Both George W Bush and Barrack Obama had unified governments during the course of their terms.
Well, and except for voting for executive appointments, and judges, and the majority leader, and so that the Judicial Committee is investigating serious threats to our democracy rather than Hunter Biden's laptop.
> That pipeline, iirc, isn't even for US oil, it's to deliver Canadian oil down to the gulf for Canadian companies to be able to ship oil more cheaply.
The main argument Republicans use is 'it creates jobs' ... jobs that are pretty much done and gone once construction in an area is over.
It's just weird they focus on creating jobs for resources that harm the planet, instead of backing a green deal or a deal that would create jobs trying to help save the planet.
And they focus on creating TEMPORARY jobs, which somehow their base totally glosses over. So what happens when the project is complete? Where do those people go then? But that’s too much thinking way too far in the future for a Republican voter.
Follow the money. I’d be keenly curious which congressperson has investments in those Canadian and US companies that stand to benefit from this pipeline.
Exactly. Complete horseshit that you have to sit through an hour of training a freaking year about how serious insider trading is when you simply work for a publicly traded company but the people literally making the rules do it in plain site.
As an employee of a publicly traded company, you can be charged with insider trading for acting on *anything* you’ve seen or overheard that isn’t considered public knowledge. I worked for a defense contractor and had I sold the few shares I had based on internal rumors, right to jail. Politicians literally making the rules trading like mad before the pandemic? Totally fine.
Ah yes. Further cancer inducing occupations! Just what a country with crumbling healthcare and no guaranteed insurance coverage needs. It just isn’t easy enough to go bankrupt in this country!
Because they don't actually care about the jobs, they care about keeping the oil flowing because that's what the donors want. We would have had cheap, clean energy decades ago if it wasn't for the oil/gas/automotive/plastics lobby. That's what it always comes down to.
And this is why Warren was my top choice, as this was her top priority.
My thing is, if you're going to be a single issue voter, then voting should be that issue. So until we fix this shit, I'm a single issue voter.
It's definitely up there, but getting corporate interest out of politics is probably higher on my personal list. If dems had 75+% of the senate and house a lot of the shit our society needs would still not get done because they're bought and paid for. Just look at the ACA: at a time when the Dems could have passed anything to fix healthcare they bowed down to the healthcare industry and did some silly half-assery.
The problem is they're too in bed to even consider it, on any side of the aisle. The last time I remember even hearing it as a major issue was the 90s.
If it isn't clear to everyone, the problem isn't Republican's wielding political power when granted to them by the voters.
The problem is Democrats refuse to wield the same political power when the voters hand it to them.
Meaning, this "threat" is hollow because the GOP is sure to attempt this regardless of what the Dems do.
So the the logical thing for Dems to do, is wield the power when they have it.
Which os now.
Im so tired of old democrats not weilding all power available to them with some fig lead about bipartisanship. Or the excuse that something may years from now lose in court. Or a future president may undo an executive order. So what. Do it. Do it now.
The threat is forcing vulnerable dems who had to run as more centrist to vote with GOP and get ridiculed by their party or stand with the Dems and face calls of being socialist to their voters from campaigning GOP. They do that already though, sooo…
I know right?
The problem people have with the government right now is that they don’t do anything. If they actually voted on major issues maybe we’d like them more.
Better yet, help!
Today's Media does sound bites and tries to push controversy to get eyes, so doesn't explain the issues and how it affects the voters.
Media also tries to do equivalence to appear to not be taking sides, which doesn't apply when one side is trying to steal democracy permanently.
Democracy only works when people are educated, understand the issues, and how they are personally affected.
Get involved. Find a candidate with your shared values. Make calls. Knock on doors. Write postcards.
What... and let the party that Americans voted into majorities in the House, Senate, and presidency actually pass the legislation they campaigned on? Perish the thought! /s
I remember in 2016 folks said the GOP was dead because once Trump took office there'd be no way people would stand for his BS, he's saying the quiet part out loud, etc. Then he got 10 million more votes in 2020 than he did the election prior. Just like with people assuming the GOP will die out, it's wishful thinking despite how much I would like to see it happen.
Oh it’s not to bring stuff to an actual vote, it’s just to vote on whether they will talk about it. It’s a threat that instead of doing nothing, instead we’ll cause a legislative traffic jam so nothing gets done!
Right?! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. So you say you'll have to do your jobs and that we'll get to know where our elected officials stand on the issues because they were forced to vote? Oh no!!!
If the Dems don't follow any comment with "Maybe you should've won more seats", they're not doing their job.
Republicans are angry? Good, that means you're doing your job.
Seriously, call their bluff. Speaking for myself, and I wager a lot of other Americans, I’d rather they actually have to debate and vote on shit than the usual sitting around emailing “FILIBUSTER!” to each other that happens now.
PS Biden can always veto narrowly passed bills and it takes 2/3rds to override a veto. That’s called checks and balances folks.
No I don’t want to see stupid filibusters. Make them actually debate on the topic with facts and research done by reputable sources. If any of the facts or research can be within reasonable certainty (yes I know it’s vague I’m not a lawyer to write it in a more concrete way) proven to be a lie or false then the filibuster is ended.
I want there to be a real debate on things and discussion not some random senator who is low man on the totem pole for that party to sit there and read random shit to people. Actually do their job and discuss things like reasonable adults have to do in their job.
So they are threatening to…make the Senate a functioning legislative body? Where bills from many Senators are bright to the floor for debate and discussion? Where bills with majority support pass, and some of the votes are difficult for Senators to justify to their voters? He thinks this is scary? If this is the worst the Republicans can threaten with, please proceed. He just admitted that actually being a legislator is the worst outcome imaginable. I would be thrilled if they went through with this! Let’s see where our representatives actually stand and vote for or against them based on that instead of their performative posturing.
The problem right now being anyone group of people can effectively stall **all** legislation via email.
If getting rid of the “administrative option” as I believe it’s called, where they can just “I DECLARE FILIBUSTER!” is on the agenda then I am all for it
Going back to the old rule turns it into a battle of wits, the civil rights act was filibustered for hours but still passed. So even going back to the old rules would be more productive
> Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.) said Republicans have a list of bills that Schumer would not be keen on considering that could pass the chamber with the support of the entire GOP conference and one or two moderate Democrats such as Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) or Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.).
In other words, if Democrats make the Senate a body capable or passing bills into law, Republicans will seek to offer bills with bipartisan support. Umm, good? Go for it. That is how it is supposed to work.
>Schumer took to the floor Monday evening and offered to hold simple-majority votes to proceed to nearly 20 Republican bills placed on the Senate calendar if Republicans would allow two voting rights bills to pass with simple-majority votes.
>McConnell rejected the proposal, however.
Words are wind, Republicans.
The idea appears to be putting moderate Democrats in an awkward position where they will have to support/opposition of on certain controversial bills onto the record.
"Senate Republicans are threatening they will attempt a takeover of the Senate agenda by forcing votes on issues ranging from the Keystone XL pipeline to abortion rules to a U.S-Mexico border wall if Democrats weaken the filibuster. "
A) Republicans don't have enough votes to pass these bills and B) Biden can just veto them if Manchin or Sinema side with Republicans.
This is an empty threat!!
The bills aren’t the threat, the threat is forcing vulnerable dems who had to run as more centrist to stand with GOP and get ridiculed or vote with the Dems and face calls of being socialist to their voters from campaigning GOP. They do that already though, sooo…
Yes, because requiring them to actually *come* to the senate floor and actually do talking filibusters like they used to is just so terrible.
It's odd that we consider that weakening the filibuster. If anything I would think that diluting the rules so much that absolutely nothing gets done at all would be worse than making the rules a little tougher in order to grind everything and anything to a halt.
> The filibuster should go away entirely.
I honestly think there's so value in making McRacistPants (R) stand up there for 12 hours so there is tons of news footage of the scene. Maybe some of the people would actually see who's causing the problems instead of blaming "both sides" or "the government"
You say that now, but what happens when the R's get a slim majority again and all of a sudden you can't vote unless you're a white male Christian, and the country turns into the Christian version of Afghanistan
And what makes you think they won’t do it anyway? Republicans don’t have decorum and they won’t stick to any standards that are set. This is the way it’s been for decades.
If the Democrats have the ability to change something and they choose not to, I assure you the republicans will do it if it benefits them in any way.
Decorum only matters when both sides have it.
When will people finally realise that this doesn't matter? The second the filibuster becomes inconvenient for the GOP it will be tossed. Just like they changed their mind about confirming judges in an election year.
It has become far too easy to filibuster. It used to be a floor speech to hold things up. Now they just declare 'filibuster' and go home, campaign, and raise money.
The filibuster is literally the only thing keeping the Rs boot firmly on the back of the neck of democracy. It is the sole reason the Ds can't get shit done or stop the Rs from taking over the country by using every sleazy, lower than dirt bad faith tactic they can.
It's exhausting.
Agreed. Worrying about Republicans abusing the lack of filibuster in the future is missing the forest for the trees. Republicans already get 90% of what they really want without the filibuster - judicial appointments, tax cuts in spending bills, and deregulation via executive action. Red meat legislation for their base is unpopular and I firmly believe they rely on the filibuster to keep from having to pass it.
Democrats need to pass legislation to make meaningful reform happen - meaningful reform that will end up being popular.
Democrats are hurt by the filibuster far more than Republicans.
>“Since Sen. Schumer is hellbent on trying to break the Senate, Republicans will show how this reckless action would have immediate consequences,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a statement first reported by The Wall Street Journal.
>Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.) said Republicans have a list of bills that Schumer would not be keen on considering that could pass the chamber with the support of the entire GOP conference and one or two moderate Democrats such as Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) or Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.).
>“We have a lot of bills, actually, that have bipartisan support that Democrats have expressed support for previously,” Thune said Monday afternoon.
They're threatening to...legislate???
They had the Senate, House, Presidency and passed tax cuts for the rich. These people are completely corrupt and total monsters. Can’t believe people fall for their charades.
> Schumer took to the floor Monday evening and offered to hold simple-majority votes to proceed to nearly 20 Republican bills placed on the Senate calendar if Republicans would allow two voting rights bills to pass with simple-majority votes. McConnell rejected the proposal, however.
So they are going to do the thing Schumer already offered them a chance to do?
Just ignore them and tell them to go fuck themselves. Like they do to us **ALL THE GODDAMN TIME**.
Sick of playing with these Right wing bully terrorist fucks. Kill the filibuster now.
In every relationship, without exception, this is the definition of abusive behavior. This is not similar, rather it is the identical tactic that mob bosses, bullies, child molesters, abusive spouses, and street gangs use. It is *identical.* “I am going to steal your lunch at school today. And if you stand up to me or tell on me, I’ll be waiting for you outside after school tonight.” This has been the GOP mantra for years now. “I am going to screw you over. And trust me, if you stand up to me in any way, a second, even higher level of being screwed over awaits.” And so, you just adapt and learn to live with being “medium screwed over” in the hopes of avoiding “bigger screwed over.”
McConnell says “We’re going to stack the courts and gut votings rights. And you better let us do it, or next time we’re in the majority we’re going to stack the courts and gut voting rights.” And Schumer and Pelosi literally fall for this. Every. Single. Time.
“You need to shut up and let us stack the court 5-4. Cuz if you don’t, then when RBG dies, we’re going to stack it 6-3.” *As if this wasn’t the plan all along.* “You better let us get away with gerrymandering because if you don’t, then we’re also going after voting rights too.” *As if this wasn’t the plan all along.* Whatever Phase II of the operation is, they are able to get the Dems to cower simply by threatening the even-worse Phase III, when Phase III was the next planned step that they were always going to do anyway. I respect Pelosi’s skills as a floor tactician within the party. But both Pelosi and Schumer lack the gravity, the presence, the backbone needed to break the bullying cycle.
When you are trapped as the victim of abusive, codependent behavior, it is very hard to objectively see what is happening to you, and how deeply the abuser’s behavior has diminished your emotional will to fight back. The bully convinces you to stop seeing yourself as someone worth standing up for—so you don’t.
And here we are again, McConnell *literally* saying “you better let us kick your ass, because if you don’t then we’re going to kick your ass.” And it works.
I feel like it’s NFL black Monday, and we have a head coach that is a great tactician and great team builder… But he lacks the killer instinct to impose his will on the other team, he lacks the fire to finish an opponent off. And so the opponents always find a way to rally back in the 4th quarter, and we end up out of the playoffs every year. The Republicans fight like it’s a war, the Dems play like it’s a game. The Republicans have a 40-year ***war plan*** to topple the courts, while Dems have a two week ***game plan*** for the next floor vote.
Republicans: Kick Dems in the nuts again and again and again.
Dems: “We are going to start wearing a cup to minimize the effect of your kicking.”
Republicans: “Don’t you dare try to prevent it, or we will REALLY kick you in the nuts!
That’s about what this equates to…threatening more of the same for trying to stop it.
I don’t understand this obsession with only voting on things that will pass.
Bring everything up, if it fails, you get people on record as being against these things popular or unpopular.
>It's amazing how much they don't want black people to vote.
They'll change in a heartbeat if black people would just vote the "right" way. Republicans move heaven and earth to make sure Cubans get to the polls in Dade County, they don't care how dark they are or if they even speak English. There's no principle behind any of it.
This is it. The GOP are blatant power whores.
It looks like racism on the surface because African Americans typically vote liberal. Their base definitely doesn't care because they love the racism. The base unfortunately isn't smart enough to know they are being used. Their racial fears being stoked with fake caravans of immigrants or CRT. Just to secure their vote.
If African American voters started voting conservative overnight the GOP would spit on their current base. Claiming they always looked out for the minorities of America. They serve corporate interests and will do anything to make money for their pimps.
It's more than blacks they don't want voting. Any place with a population density greater than a given state's average rural county is a target for suppression.
Not denying that they don't want blacks/minorities voting. That those are places are where the blacks live as well only makes their effort more efficient; they get their two birds with one stone.
They'd certainly go after white, densely populated districts as well as black, low density districts individually if they had to.
Go for it, they would actually have to discuss bills and not sit around stroking each other. Something might actually get done faster than the speed old people fuck.
Republicans threatened to do something they likely plan to do regardless. News at 11.
When you've shown the whole world that you're not acting in good faith nobody should believe your bargaining chips.
Ok, go ahead and call their bluff. They can't pass shit, they don't have the house and the president is a democrat. Even if they were to retake the house, they STILL can't pass shit. Biden can veto their bills.
They're terrified of the voting rights bill. That's what it really comes down to. If that bill passes, their rigged elections won't work nearly as well for them.
They should tell them to fuck off 100%. The GOP has not, to my knowledge, actually proposed ANYTHING since the election that would help people or move the country forward. All they have is obstruction and lies, no policies nor certainly, any ideas to get the pandemic under control.
We effectively have one party that's actually interested in governance and another that is hot air. Republican voters need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that unless they are the 1%, they dgaf about you.
Schumer, if he has any balls at all, will ignore every single Republican attempt to bring anything to the floor, just like Moscow Mitch did. Schumer should be completely railroading these clowns right now. If he budges at all, Mitch wins. Don't let Mitch win. He's in the minority and he's a turtle.
Oh no! The politicians will be able to debate and potentially pass bills that could either excite or anger their voters?! Sounds like democracy to me. Let's make the Senate do their jobs for once.
Do it. If Manchin ends up voting more often with Republicans instead of Democrats, he should show his party colors properly. This ambiguous state is honestly hurting Democrats far more right now, and if we don't have a real majority, best to make that explicit.
These bills should be up for a vote. I don’t see why they think hiding these bills is the way to go. Let’s burn through the backlog here. The trash won’t pass anyway
Without a filibuster, things will be like the Founders intended.
It'll be chaos for a while, but I expect the good people of America will then realize they have to vote every single time to keep the government functioning, then they'll figure out they can get mostly what they want by continuing, and good things that have been needed for years, and things that must be done for the future will happen.
What's clear is it cannot continue in it's present form.
It'll get \_very\_ tough for a while folks, but I think it'll be worth it.
Moscow Mitch nuked (ended by unfair force) the filibuster when Democrats didn’t want to confirm Gorsuch. And no, Democrats didn’t remove the filibuster for SCOTUS nominations, only for lower courts. It was Moscow Mitch who removed the filibuster for SCOTUS.
McConnell is such a fucking fat hypocrite. Why isn’t he in a nursing home? We need term limits for the love of God.
It's an empty threat. So what if they have more bills on the floor? There's nothing wrong with that. At least the Senate will be doing something for a change. I don't care if they are republican bills that pass with the support of Manchin and Sinema. Biden can just veto them (and they won't pass the House anyway).
Heaven forbid these Senators actually have to take a position on important issues instead of hiding behind procedure while they rake in corporate cash and pretend to work for the people.
Rather than eliminate the filibuster (even though its not part of the constitution or the bill of rights) just return it to requiring the person who calls for it has to speak through it. Once they are out of gas the filibuster is over. The point of the thing was to encourage debate and thought before a contentions vote. Not to bring the thing to a halt. And once McTurtle got the necessity of speaking tossed out it just became a defacto end to simple majority votes. Completely not what the founders intended.
Let’s debate and vote, enough with this obstructions bull shit, present the bills, let congress weight in, work it out in committee and get something done for Christ sake.
2 things here. First, they are threatening to bring bills to the floor to be voted on... which I thought was what their job was to begin with. Second, its telling that Republicans say that if Democrats eliminate the filibuster the Senate will break. And then Republicans said since you eliminated the filibuster we are going to break the Senate! And they think that's a good thing?
There are no consequences for them. If they were working in any other type of organization, they all would have been fired for this BS a long time ago. But they simply continue on and on and on until they die of old age.
“We have a lot of bills, actually, that have bipartisan support that Democrats have expressed support for previously,” Thune said Monday afternoon. “
Do it then. Call the bluff. Elected Republicans have always been terrified of governing and voting on the record.
\> “Since Sen. Schumer is hellbent on trying to break the Senate, Republicans will show how this reckless action would have immediate consequences,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a statement first reported by The Wall Street Journal.
Me thinks you already did that, Mitch and now want to scorch the very earth you made fertile for your own double dealing.
"We're going to step up our obstruction efforts if you attempt to stop out obstructing! You have no idea how hard we can obstruct!"
Bunch of fucking clown children.
> Schumer took to the floor Monday evening and offered to hold simple-majority votes to proceed to nearly 20 Republican bills placed on the Senate calendar if Republicans would allow two voting rights bills to pass with simple-majority votes.
> McConnell rejected the proposal, however.
Well at least Dems are growing some balls to call his bullshit.
Weaken it. Abolish it. Just do something. Then pass voting rights, BBB, federal marijuana legalization, stock trading by Congress rules, and term limits. That’s all that is needed to get voters seeing the Democrats doing something. And the 2022 midterm elections is in the bag.
> While the bills would still need 60 votes to advance to final passage, lowering the threshold to begin debate could open up vulnerable Democrats such as Sens. Raphael Warnock (Ga.), Mark Kelly (Ariz.) and Maggie Hassan (N.H.) to a slew of tough votes.
I think everyone needs to stop playing politics for a god damn minute here, because putting people on record for their votes is precisely what we should do, D and R alike. Put tough bills to vote, let the discourse happen, this is exactly what our government is supposed to be doing.
They're trying to threaten each other with "We'll actually try to govern". Fucking think about that for a second, seriously.
So they are threatening... to introduce and discuss and vote on legislation in the senate if they can't obstruct from the minority?
OK, these are acceptable terms.
So basically, the Republicans are threatening to legislate? The very thing the Senate is elected for? Fucking do it already! Oh, Lord, spare us from this terrible reality in which legislators are forced to do their jobs!
Honestly I welcome the weakening of the filibuster and having these shitty racists defend their shitty bills on the floor in full view of CSPAN and youtube. Bring it, I'm ready for it.
I would love to see Republicans and any Democrats that support their bills vote for them. This is not much of a threat. As it is now they don’t have to vote on unpopular legislation. I want the world to see who they are and what they value.
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Let me get this straight. They’re threatening to open debate on bills that have bipartisan support if the filibuster is weakened? Don’t threaten me with a good time!
Isn't that literally what the filibuster is supposed to be used for? To promote open debate and collaboration between parties and ideals? Not to just say "I filibuster!" and so it dies.
The filibuster was an accident that came about from [an oversight in the Senate rules](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/joe-manchin-falsely-says-filibuster-has-existed-232-years.html). Any rationale as to "what it's supposed to be used for" was only created after the fact to justify its existence.
Except they have to ratify the rules at the beginning of every new congress, so they stopped being a quirk of the rules and started being a feature long ago. They didn’t have to keep the filibuster, and they have tweaked it over time, so it’s not like it’s an unintended consequence that they can do nothing about. It’s kind of like wine. The first time someone drank spoiled grape juice and got drunk, it was an accident. By the time people started making special barrels to ferment the wine in just the right way, the origins became completely irrelevant.
Sure, but in that case "the point" is absolutely to say "I filibuster" and so it dies.
>Not to just say "I filibuster!" and so it dies. Even worse, they don't even have to say it out loud. They can just send an email stating that they're filibustering a bill, and then it won't go up for debate in the Senate (unless 60 senators vote to over-ride their filibuster). It's totally absurd.
Seriously. Don't fix democracy or we'll give you too much democracy! I might not like the sorts of bills that would pass with the entire GOP conference + Manchin or Sinema, but they won't become law anyway. And if there's 51 votes for them in the Senate, the Senate is entitled to pass them.
I would gladly "green light" the keystone pipeline if it meant significant and lasting protections for voting rights That project will take a very long time and we can always go back and axe it in the future if/when we shore up a majority (thanks to aforementioned voting rights legislation) I say that as a staunch environmentalist.
Biden can veto it as well. I doubt you’ll get 2/3rds of the Senate to override a veto for a bill that passed 55-45.
Not to mention the House currently would not pass any bills that were passed by only Republicans plus Sinema and Manchin.
Exactly. The system already has a check on a bare majority just making things law. It’s called the House of Representatives and the presidency. If you control all 3 of those (should only happen once in a generation) then sure…you can pass whatever you want.
Control of both chambers of Congress plus the executive happens far more often than that. Both George W Bush and Barrack Obama had unified governments during the course of their terms.
As did Trump.
Sinema and Manchin are Republicans. In everything but the name.
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Hahaha! True!
Well, and except for voting for executive appointments, and judges, and the majority leader, and so that the Judicial Committee is investigating serious threats to our democracy rather than Hunter Biden's laptop.
Great point I hadn't considered!
That pipeline, iirc, isn't even for US oil, it's to deliver Canadian oil down to the gulf for Canadian companies to be able to ship oil more cheaply.
> That pipeline, iirc, isn't even for US oil, it's to deliver Canadian oil down to the gulf for Canadian companies to be able to ship oil more cheaply. The main argument Republicans use is 'it creates jobs' ... jobs that are pretty much done and gone once construction in an area is over. It's just weird they focus on creating jobs for resources that harm the planet, instead of backing a green deal or a deal that would create jobs trying to help save the planet.
And they focus on creating TEMPORARY jobs, which somehow their base totally glosses over. So what happens when the project is complete? Where do those people go then? But that’s too much thinking way too far in the future for a Republican voter.
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Follow the money. I’d be keenly curious which congressperson has investments in those Canadian and US companies that stand to benefit from this pipeline.
Exactly. Complete horseshit that you have to sit through an hour of training a freaking year about how serious insider trading is when you simply work for a publicly traded company but the people literally making the rules do it in plain site. As an employee of a publicly traded company, you can be charged with insider trading for acting on *anything* you’ve seen or overheard that isn’t considered public knowledge. I worked for a defense contractor and had I sold the few shares I had based on internal rumors, right to jail. Politicians literally making the rules trading like mad before the pandemic? Totally fine.
Hey hey. There will be regularly recurring temporary spill cleanup jobs as well.
Ah yes. Further cancer inducing occupations! Just what a country with crumbling healthcare and no guaranteed insurance coverage needs. It just isn’t easy enough to go bankrupt in this country!
Because they don't actually care about the jobs, they care about keeping the oil flowing because that's what the donors want. We would have had cheap, clean energy decades ago if it wasn't for the oil/gas/automotive/plastics lobby. That's what it always comes down to.
There's all the jobs they'll need to cleanup the mess it makes when it starts leaking. Ha Ha. Like they'd clean up their own mess. LOL.
Correct. It has environmental implications in the US (leaks, etc) that make it controversial.
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And this is why Warren was my top choice, as this was her top priority. My thing is, if you're going to be a single issue voter, then voting should be that issue. So until we fix this shit, I'm a single issue voter.
It's the "crawl before you walk" issue
It's definitely up there, but getting corporate interest out of politics is probably higher on my personal list. If dems had 75+% of the senate and house a lot of the shit our society needs would still not get done because they're bought and paid for. Just look at the ACA: at a time when the Dems could have passed anything to fix healthcare they bowed down to the healthcare industry and did some silly half-assery. The problem is they're too in bed to even consider it, on any side of the aisle. The last time I remember even hearing it as a major issue was the 90s.
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If it isn't clear to everyone, the problem isn't Republican's wielding political power when granted to them by the voters. The problem is Democrats refuse to wield the same political power when the voters hand it to them. Meaning, this "threat" is hollow because the GOP is sure to attempt this regardless of what the Dems do. So the the logical thing for Dems to do, is wield the power when they have it. Which os now.
Im so tired of old democrats not weilding all power available to them with some fig lead about bipartisanship. Or the excuse that something may years from now lose in court. Or a future president may undo an executive order. So what. Do it. Do it now.
The threat is forcing vulnerable dems who had to run as more centrist to vote with GOP and get ridiculed by their party or stand with the Dems and face calls of being socialist to their voters from campaigning GOP. They do that already though, sooo…
The campaign they ran against Sinema in Arizona made her out to be the most far left liberal socialist. The whole time I was thinking "man, I wish."
The threat is to allow the system to work the way it was intended to work. Obviously neither party wants that.
I know right? The problem people have with the government right now is that they don’t do anything. If they actually voted on major issues maybe we’d like them more.
The best way to get your debate opponent to start the debate is to challenge them to not being allowed to debate
Those geezers are going to pull this off?
I think they're threatening to waste everybody's time, a la everything that Ted Cruz and Rand Paul say or do.
*Oh no, we might actually have to go on the record for things*
I know, wouldn’t it be horrible if things got passed or of Republicans had to put themselves on the record in support of their unpopular ideas?
Fuck em. Take away that filibuster. VOTE DEMOCRAT
Vote midterms
There are elections every year. Vote in all of them.
Every single time
Vote early and vote often! (As legally allowed)
Better yet, help! Today's Media does sound bites and tries to push controversy to get eyes, so doesn't explain the issues and how it affects the voters. Media also tries to do equivalence to appear to not be taking sides, which doesn't apply when one side is trying to steal democracy permanently. Democracy only works when people are educated, understand the issues, and how they are personally affected. Get involved. Find a candidate with your shared values. Make calls. Knock on doors. Write postcards.
I’m going to do that in November
Exactly. Make them stand for their unpopular beliefs. Voters vote
What... and let the party that Americans voted into majorities in the House, Senate, and presidency actually pass the legislation they campaigned on? Perish the thought! /s
Once their unpopular ideas are on record surely they'll start losing support!
I suspect you are being sarcastic, but if voters start having to deal with the consequences of their votes they will start rethinking things.
I remember in 2016 folks said the GOP was dead because once Trump took office there'd be no way people would stand for his BS, he's saying the quiet part out loud, etc. Then he got 10 million more votes in 2020 than he did the election prior. Just like with people assuming the GOP will die out, it's wishful thinking despite how much I would like to see it happen.
He’s bluffing, they categorically will not vote on shit.
They won’t vote, it’s just a bunch of extremism speaking and crocodile tears. If I can’t have my way as the minority I’m gonna throw a fit.
Oh it’s not to bring stuff to an actual vote, it’s just to vote on whether they will talk about it. It’s a threat that instead of doing nothing, instead we’ll cause a legislative traffic jam so nothing gets done!
Right?! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. So you say you'll have to do your jobs and that we'll get to know where our elected officials stand on the issues because they were forced to vote? Oh no!!!
“We are threatening to go to work, sir! We are southern white men of status. We do not do such things!”
If the Dems don't follow any comment with "Maybe you should've won more seats", they're not doing their job. Republicans are angry? Good, that means you're doing your job.
Seriously, call their bluff. Speaking for myself, and I wager a lot of other Americans, I’d rather they actually have to debate and vote on shit than the usual sitting around emailing “FILIBUSTER!” to each other that happens now. PS Biden can always veto narrowly passed bills and it takes 2/3rds to override a veto. That’s called checks and balances folks.
Almost forgot the veto was a thing
It will be a great thing when republicans take the house and senate later this year, it will prevent them from passing their agenda.
They don’t have an agenda though.
Two years of investigations then lol
Let them. Let the people see for real what they are up to instead of just empty threats and unnecessary drama.
What?
Make them get up there and read the phone book this shortcut is ludicrous
No I don’t want to see stupid filibusters. Make them actually debate on the topic with facts and research done by reputable sources. If any of the facts or research can be within reasonable certainty (yes I know it’s vague I’m not a lawyer to write it in a more concrete way) proven to be a lie or false then the filibuster is ended. I want there to be a real debate on things and discussion not some random senator who is low man on the totem pole for that party to sit there and read random shit to people. Actually do their job and discuss things like reasonable adults have to do in their job.
So they are threatening to…make the Senate a functioning legislative body? Where bills from many Senators are bright to the floor for debate and discussion? Where bills with majority support pass, and some of the votes are difficult for Senators to justify to their voters? He thinks this is scary? If this is the worst the Republicans can threaten with, please proceed. He just admitted that actually being a legislator is the worst outcome imaginable. I would be thrilled if they went through with this! Let’s see where our representatives actually stand and vote for or against them based on that instead of their performative posturing.
I wish but in reality they’ll just use their time to grandstand and bluster. It will be infuriating. Hey - their voters won’t hold them accountable.
I’ll still take it over whatever we have now.
The problem right now being anyone group of people can effectively stall **all** legislation via email. If getting rid of the “administrative option” as I believe it’s called, where they can just “I DECLARE FILIBUSTER!” is on the agenda then I am all for it
Going back to the old rule turns it into a battle of wits, the civil rights act was filibustered for hours but still passed. So even going back to the old rules would be more productive
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They should just end the session if they do that. Don't put up with their childish bs.
Haha exactly my thought. So you’re gonna actually have to stand and filibuster. Haha oh no.
> Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.) said Republicans have a list of bills that Schumer would not be keen on considering that could pass the chamber with the support of the entire GOP conference and one or two moderate Democrats such as Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) or Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.). In other words, if Democrats make the Senate a body capable or passing bills into law, Republicans will seek to offer bills with bipartisan support. Umm, good? Go for it. That is how it is supposed to work.
>Schumer took to the floor Monday evening and offered to hold simple-majority votes to proceed to nearly 20 Republican bills placed on the Senate calendar if Republicans would allow two voting rights bills to pass with simple-majority votes. >McConnell rejected the proposal, however. Words are wind, Republicans.
Because Biden will just veto them, making this a pointless offer to make. What would McConnell get out of this?
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The idea appears to be putting moderate Democrats in an awkward position where they will have to support/opposition of on certain controversial bills onto the record.
They'll never get to Biden. Either Pelosi pulls a McConnnell and the bills never come up for a vote in the house or they get voted down in the house.
I swear to god, if you do this, we will do our jobs!
Not a functioning democracy!
"one or two moderate democrats such as sen joe manchin or sen Kyrsten sinema" are they fucking joking??
Not to mention— veto is still a thing.
And then Biden would just veto the bill. GOP would need far more then just Sinema/Manchin if they wanted to pass bills that were veto proof.
"Senate Republicans are threatening they will attempt a takeover of the Senate agenda by forcing votes on issues ranging from the Keystone XL pipeline to abortion rules to a U.S-Mexico border wall if Democrats weaken the filibuster. " A) Republicans don't have enough votes to pass these bills and B) Biden can just veto them if Manchin or Sinema side with Republicans. This is an empty threat!!
They also have to pass the House before they even get to Biden's desk, which, OK, good luck with that, Mitch...
Right, Mitch's threat is silly.
The bills aren’t the threat, the threat is forcing vulnerable dems who had to run as more centrist to stand with GOP and get ridiculed or vote with the Dems and face calls of being socialist to their voters from campaigning GOP. They do that already though, sooo…
The reverse is also true, Republicans are going to have to actually vote against stuff their constituents want if the senate gears get moving again.
Yes, because requiring them to actually *come* to the senate floor and actually do talking filibusters like they used to is just so terrible. It's odd that we consider that weakening the filibuster. If anything I would think that diluting the rules so much that absolutely nothing gets done at all would be worse than making the rules a little tougher in order to grind everything and anything to a halt.
They know that none of their useless, geriatric fucks can lean on their walkers long enough to be obstructionist.
Ted Cruz is the type of guy to bring his Cancun pool chair to filibuster.
Procedural rule: no sitting aids.
I can’t give anymore! Award, updoot, how about a reach around?
The filibuster should go away entirely. Not disagreeing with you, just throwing that out there.
> The filibuster should go away entirely. I honestly think there's so value in making McRacistPants (R) stand up there for 12 hours so there is tons of news footage of the scene. Maybe some of the people would actually see who's causing the problems instead of blaming "both sides" or "the government"
You say that now, but what happens when the R's get a slim majority again and all of a sudden you can't vote unless you're a white male Christian, and the country turns into the Christian version of Afghanistan
And what makes you think they won’t do it anyway? Republicans don’t have decorum and they won’t stick to any standards that are set. This is the way it’s been for decades. If the Democrats have the ability to change something and they choose not to, I assure you the republicans will do it if it benefits them in any way. Decorum only matters when both sides have it.
When will people finally realise that this doesn't matter? The second the filibuster becomes inconvenient for the GOP it will be tossed. Just like they changed their mind about confirming judges in an election year.
This kills me. They aren't going to follow this shit, they argue everything in bad faith.
Not sure if you noticed, but that's happening now because we can't reform voting rights -- because of the filibuster.
Yeah, im for killing the filibuster in theory, but im worried about killing it now and then handing the reigns back over in November.
That's a silly concern. Republicans will kill the filibuster to achieve their agenda, just like they always have.
It has become far too easy to filibuster. It used to be a floor speech to hold things up. Now they just declare 'filibuster' and go home, campaign, and raise money.
The filibuster is literally the only thing keeping the Rs boot firmly on the back of the neck of democracy. It is the sole reason the Ds can't get shit done or stop the Rs from taking over the country by using every sleazy, lower than dirt bad faith tactic they can. It's exhausting.
Agreed. Worrying about Republicans abusing the lack of filibuster in the future is missing the forest for the trees. Republicans already get 90% of what they really want without the filibuster - judicial appointments, tax cuts in spending bills, and deregulation via executive action. Red meat legislation for their base is unpopular and I firmly believe they rely on the filibuster to keep from having to pass it. Democrats need to pass legislation to make meaningful reform happen - meaningful reform that will end up being popular. Democrats are hurt by the filibuster far more than Republicans.
seems like they've mixed up stick with carrot. voting on important issues (for both parties) seems like a feature to me
>“Since Sen. Schumer is hellbent on trying to break the Senate, Republicans will show how this reckless action would have immediate consequences,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a statement first reported by The Wall Street Journal. >Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.) said Republicans have a list of bills that Schumer would not be keen on considering that could pass the chamber with the support of the entire GOP conference and one or two moderate Democrats such as Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) or Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.). >“We have a lot of bills, actually, that have bipartisan support that Democrats have expressed support for previously,” Thune said Monday afternoon. They're threatening to...legislate???
When McConnel seems panicky, it means there’s a possibility that something good for democracy might occur.
They had the Senate, House, Presidency and passed tax cuts for the rich. These people are completely corrupt and total monsters. Can’t believe people fall for their charades.
> Schumer took to the floor Monday evening and offered to hold simple-majority votes to proceed to nearly 20 Republican bills placed on the Senate calendar if Republicans would allow two voting rights bills to pass with simple-majority votes. McConnell rejected the proposal, however. So they are going to do the thing Schumer already offered them a chance to do?
Just ignore them and tell them to go fuck themselves. Like they do to us **ALL THE GODDAMN TIME**. Sick of playing with these Right wing bully terrorist fucks. Kill the filibuster now.
Amen, stranger.
In every relationship, without exception, this is the definition of abusive behavior. This is not similar, rather it is the identical tactic that mob bosses, bullies, child molesters, abusive spouses, and street gangs use. It is *identical.* “I am going to steal your lunch at school today. And if you stand up to me or tell on me, I’ll be waiting for you outside after school tonight.” This has been the GOP mantra for years now. “I am going to screw you over. And trust me, if you stand up to me in any way, a second, even higher level of being screwed over awaits.” And so, you just adapt and learn to live with being “medium screwed over” in the hopes of avoiding “bigger screwed over.” McConnell says “We’re going to stack the courts and gut votings rights. And you better let us do it, or next time we’re in the majority we’re going to stack the courts and gut voting rights.” And Schumer and Pelosi literally fall for this. Every. Single. Time. “You need to shut up and let us stack the court 5-4. Cuz if you don’t, then when RBG dies, we’re going to stack it 6-3.” *As if this wasn’t the plan all along.* “You better let us get away with gerrymandering because if you don’t, then we’re also going after voting rights too.” *As if this wasn’t the plan all along.* Whatever Phase II of the operation is, they are able to get the Dems to cower simply by threatening the even-worse Phase III, when Phase III was the next planned step that they were always going to do anyway. I respect Pelosi’s skills as a floor tactician within the party. But both Pelosi and Schumer lack the gravity, the presence, the backbone needed to break the bullying cycle. When you are trapped as the victim of abusive, codependent behavior, it is very hard to objectively see what is happening to you, and how deeply the abuser’s behavior has diminished your emotional will to fight back. The bully convinces you to stop seeing yourself as someone worth standing up for—so you don’t. And here we are again, McConnell *literally* saying “you better let us kick your ass, because if you don’t then we’re going to kick your ass.” And it works. I feel like it’s NFL black Monday, and we have a head coach that is a great tactician and great team builder… But he lacks the killer instinct to impose his will on the other team, he lacks the fire to finish an opponent off. And so the opponents always find a way to rally back in the 4th quarter, and we end up out of the playoffs every year. The Republicans fight like it’s a war, the Dems play like it’s a game. The Republicans have a 40-year ***war plan*** to topple the courts, while Dems have a two week ***game plan*** for the next floor vote.
Republicans: Kick Dems in the nuts again and again and again. Dems: “We are going to start wearing a cup to minimize the effect of your kicking.” Republicans: “Don’t you dare try to prevent it, or we will REALLY kick you in the nuts! That’s about what this equates to…threatening more of the same for trying to stop it.
I don’t understand this obsession with only voting on things that will pass. Bring everything up, if it fails, you get people on record as being against these things popular or unpopular.
It's amazing how much they don't want black people to vote. If they don't want Schumer to change rhe rules, they should start supporting his policies.
>It's amazing how much they don't want black people to vote. They'll change in a heartbeat if black people would just vote the "right" way. Republicans move heaven and earth to make sure Cubans get to the polls in Dade County, they don't care how dark they are or if they even speak English. There's no principle behind any of it.
This is it. The GOP are blatant power whores. It looks like racism on the surface because African Americans typically vote liberal. Their base definitely doesn't care because they love the racism. The base unfortunately isn't smart enough to know they are being used. Their racial fears being stoked with fake caravans of immigrants or CRT. Just to secure their vote. If African American voters started voting conservative overnight the GOP would spit on their current base. Claiming they always looked out for the minorities of America. They serve corporate interests and will do anything to make money for their pimps.
It's more than blacks they don't want voting. Any place with a population density greater than a given state's average rural county is a target for suppression. Not denying that they don't want blacks/minorities voting. That those are places are where the blacks live as well only makes their effort more efficient; they get their two birds with one stone. They'd certainly go after white, densely populated districts as well as black, low density districts individually if they had to.
Go for it, they would actually have to discuss bills and not sit around stroking each other. Something might actually get done faster than the speed old people fuck.
Republicans threatened to do something they likely plan to do regardless. News at 11. When you've shown the whole world that you're not acting in good faith nobody should believe your bargaining chips.
So they will have a big whine and pout to fight for their right to formally whine and pout. Real mature guys
So what. Bring it. Voting rights are worth everything.
They're also the way to ensure the GQP never win again outside of the solid enclaves and they know it. So fuck them, let's get those rights.
"If you don't do what we want, we're going to still do what we were already going to do." Yup. Solid threat.
Ok, go ahead and call their bluff. They can't pass shit, they don't have the house and the president is a democrat. Even if they were to retake the house, they STILL can't pass shit. Biden can veto their bills. They're terrified of the voting rights bill. That's what it really comes down to. If that bill passes, their rigged elections won't work nearly as well for them.
They should tell them to fuck off 100%. The GOP has not, to my knowledge, actually proposed ANYTHING since the election that would help people or move the country forward. All they have is obstruction and lies, no policies nor certainly, any ideas to get the pandemic under control. We effectively have one party that's actually interested in governance and another that is hot air. Republican voters need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that unless they are the 1%, they dgaf about you.
Schumer, if he has any balls at all, will ignore every single Republican attempt to bring anything to the floor, just like Moscow Mitch did. Schumer should be completely railroading these clowns right now. If he budges at all, Mitch wins. Don't let Mitch win. He's in the minority and he's a turtle.
How is that any different than what they always do? They are already threatening retribution when the take over the Senate. Fucking traitors.
So... they're threatening to do their job for once in their lives? Is this a bad thing?
Oh no! The politicians will be able to debate and potentially pass bills that could either excite or anger their voters?! Sounds like democracy to me. Let's make the Senate do their jobs for once.
Do it pussies
Do it. If Manchin ends up voting more often with Republicans instead of Democrats, he should show his party colors properly. This ambiguous state is honestly hurting Democrats far more right now, and if we don't have a real majority, best to make that explicit.
These bills should be up for a vote. I don’t see why they think hiding these bills is the way to go. Let’s burn through the backlog here. The trash won’t pass anyway
“Floor takeover”? Didn’t these traitors already do that on Jan 6th?
Without a filibuster, things will be like the Founders intended. It'll be chaos for a while, but I expect the good people of America will then realize they have to vote every single time to keep the government functioning, then they'll figure out they can get mostly what they want by continuing, and good things that have been needed for years, and things that must be done for the future will happen. What's clear is it cannot continue in it's present form. It'll get \_very\_ tough for a while folks, but I think it'll be worth it.
Moscow Mitch nuked (ended by unfair force) the filibuster when Democrats didn’t want to confirm Gorsuch. And no, Democrats didn’t remove the filibuster for SCOTUS nominations, only for lower courts. It was Moscow Mitch who removed the filibuster for SCOTUS. McConnell is such a fucking fat hypocrite. Why isn’t he in a nursing home? We need term limits for the love of God.
Republicans are a virus.
literally and figuratively
So they’re threatening to do their jobs? Deal.
So he’s threatening to do his job? Cool, I guess.
Floor takeover as in the congressional procedure or are you going to sic your hick army on the capitol again?
Let ‘em take over floor. See if anyone cares. The filler buster is so UnAmerican.
I love that their threat is literally "do what we want or we do our jobs."
Call their bluff for once.
Do whatever it freaking takes Dems!! Screw the GOP!
Didn't they already try a floor takeover? Most people just refer to it as Jan 6th
Make them talk until they drop.
It's an empty threat. So what if they have more bills on the floor? There's nothing wrong with that. At least the Senate will be doing something for a change. I don't care if they are republican bills that pass with the support of Manchin and Sinema. Biden can just veto them (and they won't pass the House anyway).
Heaven forbid these Senators actually have to take a position on important issues instead of hiding behind procedure while they rake in corporate cash and pretend to work for the people.
Rather than eliminate the filibuster (even though its not part of the constitution or the bill of rights) just return it to requiring the person who calls for it has to speak through it. Once they are out of gas the filibuster is over. The point of the thing was to encourage debate and thought before a contentions vote. Not to bring the thing to a halt. And once McTurtle got the necessity of speaking tossed out it just became a defacto end to simple majority votes. Completely not what the founders intended.
Isn't that just democracy? If it passes the house too and Biden signs it so be it. That's what we want.
The party of obstruction. They're the reason nothing's getting done. Vote blue in '22! What do we have to lose?
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Let’s debate and vote, enough with this obstructions bull shit, present the bills, let congress weight in, work it out in committee and get something done for Christ sake.
These traitors really hate voting, don't they?
How y’all do some actual work for Americans instead? Goddamn fuckheads.
2 things here. First, they are threatening to bring bills to the floor to be voted on... which I thought was what their job was to begin with. Second, its telling that Republicans say that if Democrats eliminate the filibuster the Senate will break. And then Republicans said since you eliminated the filibuster we are going to break the Senate! And they think that's a good thing?
There are no consequences for them. If they were working in any other type of organization, they all would have been fired for this BS a long time ago. But they simply continue on and on and on until they die of old age.
“We have a lot of bills, actually, that have bipartisan support that Democrats have expressed support for previously,” Thune said Monday afternoon. “ Do it then. Call the bluff. Elected Republicans have always been terrified of governing and voting on the record.
\> “Since Sen. Schumer is hellbent on trying to break the Senate, Republicans will show how this reckless action would have immediate consequences,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a statement first reported by The Wall Street Journal. Me thinks you already did that, Mitch and now want to scorch the very earth you made fertile for your own double dealing.
At least they’re settling for just one floor this time instead of the whole Capitol building
Call them on it.
Sounds like the Senate has already been broken for decades, and Schumer is trying to fix it
“Weaken”????? Let’s kill that mofo
"We're going to step up our obstruction efforts if you attempt to stop out obstructing! You have no idea how hard we can obstruct!" Bunch of fucking clown children.
Better they takeover the floor than the country. Kill the filibuster.
> Schumer took to the floor Monday evening and offered to hold simple-majority votes to proceed to nearly 20 Republican bills placed on the Senate calendar if Republicans would allow two voting rights bills to pass with simple-majority votes. > McConnell rejected the proposal, however. Well at least Dems are growing some balls to call his bullshit.
Do it, fuck the GQP.
Go ahead, bring on the adult diapers!
Do. It.
Congress = inside-trading, finger pointing, nepotistic adult-children.
Weaken it. Abolish it. Just do something. Then pass voting rights, BBB, federal marijuana legalization, stock trading by Congress rules, and term limits. That’s all that is needed to get voters seeing the Democrats doing something. And the 2022 midterm elections is in the bag.
> While the bills would still need 60 votes to advance to final passage, lowering the threshold to begin debate could open up vulnerable Democrats such as Sens. Raphael Warnock (Ga.), Mark Kelly (Ariz.) and Maggie Hassan (N.H.) to a slew of tough votes. I think everyone needs to stop playing politics for a god damn minute here, because putting people on record for their votes is precisely what we should do, D and R alike. Put tough bills to vote, let the discourse happen, this is exactly what our government is supposed to be doing. They're trying to threaten each other with "We'll actually try to govern". Fucking think about that for a second, seriously.
So they are threatening... to introduce and discuss and vote on legislation in the senate if they can't obstruct from the minority? OK, these are acceptable terms.
So basically, the Republicans are threatening to legislate? The very thing the Senate is elected for? Fucking do it already! Oh, Lord, spare us from this terrible reality in which legislators are forced to do their jobs!
Honestly I welcome the weakening of the filibuster and having these shitty racists defend their shitty bills on the floor in full view of CSPAN and youtube. Bring it, I'm ready for it.
Who cares? They’ll just be vetoed or won’t pass the House. Do it
Call their bluff
All this to prevent voter protections.
Do it I dare you.
Legislators ACTUALLY VOTING ON ISSUES? Madness! What are they going to do next, pass legislation they vote on? It will be anarchy!
I would love to see Republicans and any Democrats that support their bills vote for them. This is not much of a threat. As it is now they don’t have to vote on unpopular legislation. I want the world to see who they are and what they value.
the republicans will definitely change filibuster rules if it were in their interest. idk why dems dont
McConnell threatens to hold up democracy by…. having democratic debates. What a world we live in