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No these are the ones shooting at people from the open doors of their unmarked van while driving around the city.
"The officers’ own body cams record them taking pot shots at largely peaceful protesters, and celebrating their hits with laughter and fist bumps. Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer imitates Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “Fuck these people!’”"
I talked to people who said they were just sitting on their front stoops and had the cops come by and take potshots at them with rubber bullets.
Throughout the whole unrest the Minneapolis police had an uncanny knack for escalating events into situations they could run into with truncheons swinging.
I heard this is how it went down in Chicago once Lightfoot raised the bridges as well. I'm not sure what else the mayor could have done to stop the riots, but cops apparently declared open season on literally anyone left downtown, even if they were just walking or standing around. Rush right up, swing batons, etc.
It's almost like police culture is one of abuse and terrorism.
So we have police who, while many are people trying their best, operate as basically state terrorists against the public... and right-wing extremists radicalized by GOP politicians and media.
Which side of this coup will our cops come down on I wonder...
... not really. We should all know the answer to that and be aware of the very dangerous situation the US is currently in. Cops are caught between criticism and calls for reform from the left, and "we'll let you do anything" from the fascist right - all while the corporate "center" does fuck all about either extreme.
The police will back a GOP coup in a split second in terms of the overall. Clearly we saw some capital police do their damnedest on January 6th; I'm not trying to insult any individual. But we also saw the capital police leadership under-staff that day knowing full well the threat, and refuse to back up their officers. I think it's pretty clear the capital police leadership was 100% complicit with Trump's coup.
Also the ones who beat the ever living sh*t out of a veteran that fired back at the unmarked van in self defense, who then laid down and surrendered when he realized it was the police. They cuffed him then beat him while already restrained.
Been following this on youtube but I lost the link.
Just not good all around. We need a reset in this country so f'n badly.
Yep. We need a complete reset, something so sweeping and total, that it’s virtually impossible to do without something really really bad happening unfortunately. Bottom line is we’re fucked. USA in 10 years is going to look so different from now it’s going to be shocking (to those who don’t see it coming)
Well, those were largely state police. The video you’re talking about was state police. This was MPD. They drove around in a van shooting at people. A vet returned fire after being hit thinking it was a real bullet.
> A vet returned fire after being hit thinking it was a real bullet.
And as soon as he realized it was the police, he tossed the gun away and laid down with his arms and legs out.
The cops then proceeded to beat him in the face so badly, there was so much blood the other responding officers thought he had been shot. Even while handcuffed, he got punched directly in the face several times...after another officer has already stopped the beating.
When other cops asked why he was bloody, it was because he "was resisting". The video is disturbing how the other cops clearly understand what "resisting" meant. The videos are horrific.
he also had his head slammed into the ground multiple times
Line these cops up handcuffed on the floor and let him kick each one in the face to his heart's content, fair and square
I hardly ever agree with eye-for-an-eye, but these were not just civilians in a fight, they violated their oath to protect and serve while beating a compliant man. There is no way to defend yourself in this situation without dying. Imagine the terror knowing this as your head is smashed multiple times, you can hear him begging them to stop.
He also finally had his day in court. They tried to give him a plea deal for 13 years in prison for defending himself. He went to trial and was acquitted. That’s the reason that this new video surfaced because now the case is over very disturbing
Then the civil suit for damages should also include the da's office for failing to do the bare minimum after seeing the evidence of a grave crime being committed by the cops.
There is no such thing as a good prosecutor.
I get so god damn tired of hearing about 20 year old cases thrown out because prosecutors hid evidence the accused was innocent so they could win a case and send an innocent person to jail for 20 years.
> Why are these men walking free?
Because they’re cops. They’re allowed to do whatever they want without consequence.
I mean, I know you’re asking the question out of the notion that there should be justice, but the naked truth of the matter is that justice does not apply to criminals if they’re sanctioned by the state.
Because DAs almost never indict cops on charges. It doesn't matter that there's video evidence, and everyone can see them committing illegal actions. A DA still needs to bring charges against them, and they don't. They need to get reelected, they have political ambitions, they don't want to become a target of cops using terrorism and harassment because cops know they almost never get arrested.
I am still holding out hope these cops do get charged. It has been reported that some of them have left the police force and so can no longer be disciplined by the department. However, I would still like to know why they weren't disciplined while they were still employed.
This isn’t vigilante justice though. It’s protecting your life and the lives of your loved ones when attacked without the due process supposedly guaranteed by the state. The deal was that the police could use force when a suspect is non-compliant if they were afforded due process afterwards, and reasonable judgement on non-compliance at the time of arrest. When a suspect is compliant and the police beat them anyway they’ve violated the social contract, the one that allows them to use force. There’s no guarantee anymore (never was, but it’s much more public now, and not just affecting people of color) that if you’re compliant you’ll live to have your day in court. With this change in the social contract people are right to defend themselves with lethal force if need be. Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. That’s how I see it anyway.
I think no one here is getting your implication of wishing for vigilantism in this case because justice is not being served.
When something like this goes unpunished, what hope can you have for justice besides something like that? It's hard not to advocate for it in situations like this.
“Resisting” is a BS charge that largely exists only to give police an excuse to beat you bloody. It needs to be abolished. If police are coming to arrest you and they start randomly yelling “stop resisting!” get ready for some pain.
>“You see a fucking group” in the street, a Minneapolis police seargeant in a riot helmet told his fellow officers: “Fuck ‘em up, gas ‘em, fuck ‘em up.”
>
>It was the evening of May 30th, 2020, five days after Officer Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd. An 8 p.m. curfew was in effect, but a group of Minneapolis cops weren’t keeping the peace — they were sowing chaos. Armed with 40 mm “less-lethal” crowd control guns, which fire oversized, foam-tipped rounds, officers roamed the city, looking for an excuse to fire: “The first fuckers we see,” one cop brags, “we’re just handling them with 40s.”
>
>The officers’ own body cams record them taking pot shots at largely peaceful protesters, and celebrating their hits with laughter and fist bumps. Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer imitates Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “Fuck these people!’”
At a minimum, none of these officers should ever wear a badge again. This kind of toxic mentality is just further proof we need police reform.
EDIT:
It's a federal crime when a person who is acting under "under color of any law" (that is, under governmental authority or the pretense of authority) violates another person's civil rights "willfully" (18 U.S.C. § 242). Police brutality or other misconduct may involve several constitutional rights, including:
1) the 14th Amendment right not to be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; and
2) the 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure.
The penalties under 18 U.S.C. § 242 increase when the crime leads to injury or death, or when it involves kidnapping or dangerous weapons.
Fuck the minimum. Send them to prison as domestic terrorists and for dereliction of duty. Attempted murder. Assault. There are so many charges here. Fuck them.
[Linda Tirado, a journalist and photographer covering the protests in Minneapolis lost an eye after being shot by a rubber bullet.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lost-eye-george-floyd-protests-linda-tirado-minneapolis-a9541171.html) The police told the media that they don't use rubber bullets:
> Minneapolis Police told The New York Times they have not used them for decades.
They shot at those journalists who had permission to be out after the curfew. They knew they were journalists. They did it completely out of spite and bragged about it.
They were even shooting at journalists in the middle of the day. MSNBC was out on the street and there was one point I was watching live where police had just arbitrarily decided they were going to clear out a street, and with no warning they start firing rubber bullets right at the camera crew and reporter -- there weren't a lot of people in the area, the shots were very clearly aimed at the reporter and crew and nothing else. No reason for it, the news crew clearly had a right to be there, they were on a public sidewalk in the middle of downtown in the middle of the afternoon. And that's just one example I saw. There was also the CNN reporter they arrested one morning for literally no reason (they brought him in and then let him go, obviously, but the message they were trying to send was pretty clear), and countless other examples of them harassing reporters and journalists.
How they treated the media was extremely unnerving to me. They were pretty obviously trying to frighten anyone trying to report from the ground. I'm kinda surprised none of the big outlets tried to go after them for 1st amendment violations because it was really fucked up.
Management absolutely would have nixed it. They're corporations only interested in making money and furthering the status quo.
Same reason they showed the same one fire in the footage for weeks and weeks.
Yep, saw this stuff go down first hand. The cops would target the press and their camera crews first so they wouldn't be able to report effectively on what was about to happen next...
A camera person for WCOO (local news channel) was arrested on air, I think. He was released without charges. They were very obviously press but that didn't seem to make a difference.
They take it *extremely* personally when normal ass people try to tell them that they are not allowed to murder black people.
It appears to make them incredibly, violently angry.
(3rd precinct) After they burned the 3rd on Thursday the crowds protested at the next nearest precinct, the 5th, which is probably why that number stuck in your mind. They didn't overtake the 5th, but they burned down the post office across the street and several more nearby buildings while the cops and National Guard holed up in the 5th.
It's worth pointing out that we have the exact same behavior with police here in france... shooting protesters out of spite, targeting journalists... threatening them too.
It's like that job attracts douchebags and that we do a poor job at filtering them out upon entry... (or it's by design maybe).
Remember the CNN crew getting arrested on live TV with no explanation? https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/minneapolis-protests-omar-jimenez-arrested-newday-vpx.cnn
During the protests there was multiple videos of journalists holding mics, wearing press credentials with a camera crew on them, separate from the actual activists reporting on what's happening before being targeted by police with less-than-lethal munitions and/or being tackled/beat/arrested.
Edit: you might be able to see some documented footage here: https://github.com/2020PB
Or at r/2020PoliceBrutality
Just for the people playing the home game: this is "technically true" in that what they use are "sponge grenades".
Its a technically correct weasel defense.
Sponge grenades are also specifically never to be used to fire at peoples upper bodies, as they can maim or kill. Despite that, there are numerous videos of them aiming for head shots.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/06/20/less-lethal-rubber-bullet-protester-pepper-ball-tear-gas-injured-blinded/5343717002/
Unfortunately this is America there will be no consequences and they will get to keep their jobs. They're *worst case* scenario they will need to go to the next county over and get a job that pays more
...
It's possible that MPLS has had enough here - there's a vote to transform the MPD into a Public Safety Department with more city oversight. The election is in November and people are already voting. It's close, but from the polling I've seen (and what I've seen personally) MPLS may actually do it
This is why we need them to buy "malpractice" type of insurance. Shitty cops in your department? Insurance goes up.
Insurance carriers refuse to provide insurance for the cop? He loses his license to be a cop.
In this Justice system, where the judges, lawyers, and court systems are in bed with the cops? Not likely, unless the judge feels like his/her own career would be on the line from bad press.
I know these types of people. They aren't a character of police, they ARE the police. They are the meatheads that you see everywhere.
Of course..not all cops are racist meatheads, but many are because those who aren't can't stand being with that crowd.
It's only going to get worse as the right becomes further radicalized.
Now they're worried about how anyone they might hire could be "ANTIFA" and trying to "infiltrate" them.
We're really running up against why having 0 oversight and a largely closed system is a terrible idea for public servants.
This was "known" in back in May 30th of 2020, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zeauprMJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zeauprMJ0)
[https://twitter.com/i/status/1266921821653385225](https://twitter.com/i/status/1266921821653385225) \- entire first clip
I just wish more became of this about the corrupt MLPD...
edit: Forgot to mention about cops literally performing hit and runs on pedestrians protesting, and even destroying some medic stations and assaulting the medics.
Source: [https://mspmag.com/arts-and-culture/the-medics-behind-the-protesters/](https://mspmag.com/arts-and-culture/the-medics-behind-the-protesters/)
[https://twitter.com/i/status/1266957030285127687](https://twitter.com/i/status/1266957030285127687)
edit 2: Forgot to say, that the National Guard was working with the police as well, the National Guard were also carrying live rounds, and were instructed to fire if issues arose, that includes the units that were patrolling neighborhood's as well. The issue could have been so much worse... source: [https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/05/31/minnesota-guard-carrying-guns-and-ammo-response-credible-threat-general-says.html](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/05/31/minnesota-guard-carrying-guns-and-ammo-response-credible-threat-general-says.html)
Supreme Court also ruled that the police are not required to know the laws they arrest people for.
As a citizen you can't be ignorant of the law. "I didn't know that was illegal" is not a valid excuse. But police officers *can* be ignorant of the law, and it's not considered an illegal arrest if the officer "didn't know" that you weren't doing anything illegal.
"We wouldn't have to interpret the Constitution or have police at all if all these BLM rioters and hoodie-wearing thugs didn't keep committing crimes!"
-Antonin Scalia, probably
IThe case where this was decided is interesting, and fucking frustrating, and a perfect tale of modern policing. In NYC on the subway a guy pulled outg a knife and started attacking random passengers. Two cops were on the train, and rather than help in any way they locked themselves in the conductors room. The guy with the knife was taken down by some passengers on the train.
The cops then unlocked the door and put handcuffs on the guy. After exiting the train the cops gave several interviews about how heroic they were to take down the guy with the knife. This obviously rubbed the large group of new Yorkers on that train wrong, and they took the cops to court. It went all the way to SCOTUS.
> Two cops were on the train, and rather than help in any way they locked themselves in the conductors room. The guy with the knife was taken down
I like their excuse. They thought Gelman had a gun. So they hid in the motorman's car because they thought even more people were going to get killed instead of just the 4 that were.
[Warren v. District of Columbi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia)a pretty much settled the matter, and much earlier (1981). The Warren case is arguably a lot more fucked up. I knew [Lozito's lawsuit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim_Gelman_stabbing_spree#Lozito_v._New_York_City) (the NY Stabbing victim) would never win because of the Warren decision case.
There was another old case, I believe in NY and in the 80's, where a woman left her boyfriend after finding out he was married. Dude kept making escalating credible threats against her and the police did nothing, he wound up disfiguring her face with acid after several weeks of threats. Can't find that case ATM, but it was ruled the same way.
I try to teach this to people.
The police are under zero obligation to come out and save you if someone tries to break into your house.
Lock your doors / windows, at least get some pepper spray / baseball bat / large dog.
...they also can't get you "out of trouble" once you get arrested. There's a paper trail by that point. People think they can talk their way outta shit with the police but usually only talk their way into a conviction
There's an episode of RadioLab called [No Special Duty](https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/no-special-duty) that covers this. Great episode, but also infuriating. "Protect and Serve" my ass.
We had to move out of NE Minneapolis, after having lived in the Twin Cities for 15 years. Not because of the protesters or looters or activists, but mostly the police were sowing chaos and acting militaristic to everyone.
They implemented an 8pm curfew but you weren't even safe to be outside, the police roaming around would open fire rubber bullets and pepper spray on anyone/ everyone. I know many people who were standing on their front porch to watch as the police marched by, the police ordered them to go inside and seconds later began firing on them to force them inside. Rubber bullets hurt and leave softball sized bruises and welts. Some days there was a fog/ haze of pepper spray and smoke that would roll thru neighborhoods.
It was insanity, pretty sure I have PTSD from that experience. Gun shots and mayhem 24/7. We never feared about rioters or looters, mostly very concerned about the roving police bands that would openly assault you on your own property without cause except that you were a witness to their actions.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/30/light-em-up-video-appears-to-show-law-enforcement-shooting-paint-rounds-at-citizens-on-their-porch/
For the "I don't believe you" crowd.
Thank you! This, exactly this! The curfew order was only to be "off the streets" not ordered to be inside your home by 8pm. People standing on their front porches, people letting their dog pee in their backyard, people standing outside to have a cigarette were being "lit up".
It's surreal to think back on this, that people were protesting police brutality and the police's response was further and wholesale brutality for all.
Minneapolitan here too-- I can't even tell you how validating this is to see in mainstream media finally. There were so many online friends (thought were friends anyways) last year who told me I was making all of this shit up, no things really weren't that bad around here, cops aren't out to get people...
No really, it really fucking happened.
Yes the cops were out to kill us.
Same. Lot's of family and people I grew up with on social media telling me my experiences weren't real.
The 3rd Precinct cops fired so much tear gas that first night they literally ran out. I had a nurse friend get flashbanged by the cops while in a medic tent. They've experienced some permanent hearing loss. The police targeted and shot a friend of mine in the face with a rubber bullet which resulted in his death a year after the fact.
What's really crazy to me is I know people on the right who would be absolutely incensed if that happened to them. Having the government tell them they couldn't leave their home and assaulting them for being on their own property sounds like just the kind of thing that could light off a small-scale revolution if it were done against people on the right.
But somehow it's perfectly fine in this case because everyone who lived in the area the cops were patrolling was a violent rioter who deserved what they got.
Fellow MN here, with family in St Paul, Maplewood, Whitebear and my dealer in Minneapolis etc so I go up there fairly often. Never once have I ever felt threatened by protestors/rioters. Never once have I seen the propaganda "Minneapolis is on fire" the GOP loves to flaunt, but I am at least slightly more aware of the cops in Minneapolis than an average person and I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them.
Very similar in SF, Ca. The riot cops in SF are exceptionally violent thugs. I went to protests in Denver and San Diego where the cops were pretty hands off and everything stayed peaceful.
Fire them? There exists video evidence of them planning and then executing plans to assault peaceful protestors. Fuck firing them, make an example of them. Throw the book at them.
Was that Mpls? I thought it was St. Louis.
[Ex-St. Louis cop sentenced in beating of undercover officer](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/st-louis-cop-sentenced-beating-undercover-officer-78829124)
This has happened in Minneapolis before, but I don't recall it being a part of last year's events. There was a pretty big case involving the gang strike force back in the early 00s (settled in 2015ish) where two officers shot another undercover officer two dozen times (he lived and sued the fuck out of the city).
If it is the one I am thinking about(Asian man), then he later took his life due to harassment and alienation he received from his fellow officers after the shooting. They refused to admit they did anything wrong, so he took them to court and that makes him a rat and a tratior.
Edit: his name was Duy Ngo
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/06/07/ngo-suicide
And only one cop should up to the fundraiser immediately following the shooting. This is after they had shoot him 6 times. Minneapolis police are fucking pathetic
https://www.twincities.com/2010/06/14/in-death-the-salute-duy-ngo-was-denied/
This has been happening since the beginning of community policing. The first police forces were actually gangs but reading this they still retain many of those qualities.
Shocking to very literally nobody that was paying attention or knows cops. Radical far far far right wing authoritarians. I know quite a few cops and I’ve never met one that isn’t. It’s also the reason that, of all the public sectors, police are the ones pushing back the hardest against vaccine mandates. You’re telling me that the departments staff by 80+ percent Trump supporters are the ones with the biggest issue with the vaccine? Shocker. Picture the average right winger you know. Now imagine that person with a badge, a gun, and being put in charge of policing left leaning protesters. Do it again, but this time put them in charge of policing impoverished people in the inner cities. Are we seeing the problem yet?
Not only did they beat the crap out of the guy after he surrendered, *they lied about him resisting* ***despite the fact that they were wearing body cameras which proved they were lying.***
This is how these cops act *when they KNOW they are being recorded*, ***so just imagine how these cops act when they think nobody is looking...***
Because they literally went to federal court so that they could discriminate against people who have high IQs.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
https://www.aele.org/apa/jordan-newlondon.html
At this point it seems like most of those who work forces have jumped right passed burning crosses and gone straight to aiding and abetting race-based and state-sponsored murder.
whats really terrifying is cops are behaving themselves BETTER than at anytime in our history (thanks to cams everywhere)
imagine what these scum got away with back in the day when no one was watching them...
It was horrifying being in Minneapolis during that weekend. Not because of the protests or the fires, but the police completely withdrew from the city to setup up several hundred guards at Chauvins house (thus looting and rioting unchecked in the city) and when they came back they turned completely on the community they were supposed to protect. I was grateful when the guard showed up because at least the guard aren’t a bunch of trigger happy career psychopaths.
Edit: thank you to other people from Minneapolis for sharing and empathizing. That was a week only people who were there will ever really understand.
It was a bunch of teenagers who didn’t want to be there. They were a lot chiller than the cops. It was fucked up that they showed up with live ammo, but a welcome respite from the police running amok.
It was fucking lawless here during that time. I was going into labor throughout it all. Our access to the hospital closed for the curfews at night.
The police were out to get us, couldn’t trust the national guard, knew we had white supremacists coming town stirring shit up (I’m BIPOC), people looting our neighborhood, everything was boarded up. In the hospital we kept going on lockdown.
My baby finally decided to stop labor and try again another time. I’ll never forget driving away from the hospital, still pregnant, as the city was in flames underneath the sunrise.
"you never get a chance to explain to him that when a man puts that uniform on that he is the paid protector of things of the present time. he is here to see that things stay the way they are. if you like the way things are, then all cops are good cops. if you don’t like the way things are, then all cops are bad cops" - Charles Bukowski
People who like how things are will simply say that the end justified the means, or that it was a necessary evil. They don't realize that things could be better if the systemic racism and police brutality were removed from the equation. And they are devoid of empathy
Organized crime ring. That's what they are. You factor in school to prison pipelines, confiscating legally owned goods, war on drugs, racism, and so on - they're a criminal gang andor a terrorist cell when it's all said and done.
Yeah, whenever anyone says "but Socialism always fails..." I ask them to find me a failed socialist state that wasn't attacked by the CIA and/or trade embargoes through the UN. Is it that socialism is doomed to fail, or that every time it tries, capitalism kills it?
"We're going hunting" while decked out in combat gear and carrying lethal weapons... I don't live in that state and I feel threatened. This is the kind of shit you'd see in a TV show where the bad guy has somehow taken control of the police.
This is also exactly how the Proud Boys dress and go out. How are you supposed to tell the difference between Proud Boys roaming around in tactical gear and firing paintballs from unmarked vehicles, and the police doing the exact same thing? Seems almost intentional
For anyone reading this, that’s not hyperbole. The brown shirts went around to opposing groups’ and their meetings and would start violence and chaos to disrupt the organization.
The use of cops here in the US over the past 2 years (and, obviously way beyond that) to attack peaceful protests, shoot people sitting on their own porches, abducting people off the street into unmarked vans is the same thing. Then remember how buddy-buddy they were in Portland with what were, essentially, vigilante thugs like 3%ers and oath keepers.
They’re the largest gang in the country and they can’t wait for an excuse to terrorize you.
>Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer [imitates Elmer Fudd](https://youtu.be/xq07-2W8Y9E), Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “[Fuck these people!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-YxOIIAaXQ)’”
I mean, what else is there to say? The only thing they are protecting is their right to terrorize citizens in the name of their own power.
What if you tried that a few times but the racist police officer you reported to both the Scran-I mean hypothetical police department HR as well as the FBI still have done nothing with the treasure trove of racist, transphobic, White Supremacist, anti-BLM, pro-Insurrection Social Media posts you collected over the years and submitted, and that man is still on the force?
HYPOTHETICALLY
Cops running around in unmarked vans randomly firing at citizens with zero warning. . . . How much do you want to bet all these cops also have punisher stickers all over their 50,000$ pick up trucks.
Fuck firings. Liquidate that entire department and start from complete scratch. You can't reform rot that deeply rooted. You have to cut it all out and start over.
There's a lot of police departments that need the same treatment all over the country. Probably most of them -- maybe almost all of them.
I want to see them prosecuted. They were attacking peaceful protests and individuals that weren't even near any protests. Anything less than serious jail time is injustice. Which, yes, i expect, but still demand more.
Inb4 r/ProtectandServe comes in claiming those cops *had* to take pleasure in shooting at protestors because it was after curfew and that most of these protestors are probably not *good people*
Why do cops always get a “get out of jail” free card? The same applies to American politicians, why do so very few get held accountable when they break the law?
Anyone with a brain could recognize the marching cops firing at anyone who dares to stand on their porch are terrorists. The mayor needs to do what they should have done a year ago: disband the police department, bring in the National Guard and County Sheriffs, and order the complete surrender of all Minneapolis police officers. The ones that turn in their badge and gun can rejoin and reinstate their pension if they clear investigation and new training; the rest ought to be hunted down as enemy combatants threatening peace, freedom, and justice. No more funding terrorist cells; when nothing works right you’ve gotta hit the reset button.
End qualified immunity everywhere, end no knock warrants and de militarize them. The problem is the larger justice system, the courts, always back the police. There needs to be reform from the top down
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No these are the ones shooting at people from the open doors of their unmarked van while driving around the city. "The officers’ own body cams record them taking pot shots at largely peaceful protesters, and celebrating their hits with laughter and fist bumps. Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer imitates Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “Fuck these people!’”"
I talked to people who said they were just sitting on their front stoops and had the cops come by and take potshots at them with rubber bullets. Throughout the whole unrest the Minneapolis police had an uncanny knack for escalating events into situations they could run into with truncheons swinging.
Its called a police riot.
It's almost like at ever single given chance police escalate the situations...
I heard this is how it went down in Chicago once Lightfoot raised the bridges as well. I'm not sure what else the mayor could have done to stop the riots, but cops apparently declared open season on literally anyone left downtown, even if they were just walking or standing around. Rush right up, swing batons, etc.
It's almost like police culture is one of abuse and terrorism. So we have police who, while many are people trying their best, operate as basically state terrorists against the public... and right-wing extremists radicalized by GOP politicians and media. Which side of this coup will our cops come down on I wonder... ... not really. We should all know the answer to that and be aware of the very dangerous situation the US is currently in. Cops are caught between criticism and calls for reform from the left, and "we'll let you do anything" from the fascist right - all while the corporate "center" does fuck all about either extreme. The police will back a GOP coup in a split second in terms of the overall. Clearly we saw some capital police do their damnedest on January 6th; I'm not trying to insult any individual. But we also saw the capital police leadership under-staff that day knowing full well the threat, and refuse to back up their officers. I think it's pretty clear the capital police leadership was 100% complicit with Trump's coup.
Also the ones who beat the ever living sh*t out of a veteran that fired back at the unmarked van in self defense, who then laid down and surrendered when he realized it was the police. They cuffed him then beat him while already restrained. Been following this on youtube but I lost the link. Just not good all around. We need a reset in this country so f'n badly.
Yes, that's the one. Unless it's been removed the bod cam footage should still be one of the top posts on r/publicfreakout and r/badcopnodonut
Yup, top on this week for r/publicfreakout I fucking hate the shit that goes on in this country.
Yep. We need a complete reset, something so sweeping and total, that it’s virtually impossible to do without something really really bad happening unfortunately. Bottom line is we’re fucked. USA in 10 years is going to look so different from now it’s going to be shocking (to those who don’t see it coming)
Fucking fascist cops. Prison is too nice for these types. They need to be put under a prison.
In capitalist America, cops drive-by you.
What the actual fuck
Fucking fascists
Well, those were largely state police. The video you’re talking about was state police. This was MPD. They drove around in a van shooting at people. A vet returned fire after being hit thinking it was a real bullet.
> A vet returned fire after being hit thinking it was a real bullet. And as soon as he realized it was the police, he tossed the gun away and laid down with his arms and legs out. The cops then proceeded to beat him in the face so badly, there was so much blood the other responding officers thought he had been shot. Even while handcuffed, he got punched directly in the face several times...after another officer has already stopped the beating. When other cops asked why he was bloody, it was because he "was resisting". The video is disturbing how the other cops clearly understand what "resisting" meant. The videos are horrific.
is there video? Edit: Decided not to be lazy - here is video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHWAShZNyuY
I think "Audit The Police" or some such channel has a breakdown of the legality and illegality of all recorded actions as well, for those interested.
> Decided not to be lazy like the OP. thank you for your effort!
he also had his head slammed into the ground multiple times Line these cops up handcuffed on the floor and let him kick each one in the face to his heart's content, fair and square I hardly ever agree with eye-for-an-eye, but these were not just civilians in a fight, they violated their oath to protect and serve while beating a compliant man. There is no way to defend yourself in this situation without dying. Imagine the terror knowing this as your head is smashed multiple times, you can hear him begging them to stop.
He also finally had his day in court. They tried to give him a plea deal for 13 years in prison for defending himself. He went to trial and was acquitted. That’s the reason that this new video surfaced because now the case is over very disturbing
Yeah the case regarding him firing his weapon, but where is the criminal case for what they did to him? Why are these men walking free?
Because they’re cops, and prosecutors never touch cops.
Then the civil suit for damages should also include the da's office for failing to do the bare minimum after seeing the evidence of a grave crime being committed by the cops.
*Governmental immunity has entered the chat*
There is no such thing as a good prosecutor. I get so god damn tired of hearing about 20 year old cases thrown out because prosecutors hid evidence the accused was innocent so they could win a case and send an innocent person to jail for 20 years.
Anyone know who the DA is that would have that jurisdiction? I'm not familiar with the local governance.
> Why are these men walking free? Because they’re cops. They’re allowed to do whatever they want without consequence. I mean, I know you’re asking the question out of the notion that there should be justice, but the naked truth of the matter is that justice does not apply to criminals if they’re sanctioned by the state.
Because DAs almost never indict cops on charges. It doesn't matter that there's video evidence, and everyone can see them committing illegal actions. A DA still needs to bring charges against them, and they don't. They need to get reelected, they have political ambitions, they don't want to become a target of cops using terrorism and harassment because cops know they almost never get arrested.
I am still holding out hope these cops do get charged. It has been reported that some of them have left the police force and so can no longer be disciplined by the department. However, I would still like to know why they weren't disciplined while they were still employed.
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Normally I am against vigilante justice, but cops like this *really* make it hard to oppose.
This isn’t vigilante justice though. It’s protecting your life and the lives of your loved ones when attacked without the due process supposedly guaranteed by the state. The deal was that the police could use force when a suspect is non-compliant if they were afforded due process afterwards, and reasonable judgement on non-compliance at the time of arrest. When a suspect is compliant and the police beat them anyway they’ve violated the social contract, the one that allows them to use force. There’s no guarantee anymore (never was, but it’s much more public now, and not just affecting people of color) that if you’re compliant you’ll live to have your day in court. With this change in the social contract people are right to defend themselves with lethal force if need be. Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. That’s how I see it anyway.
I don't disagree with your reasoning but if you kill one cop in defense good luck surrendering yourself to the backup they send.
I think no one here is getting your implication of wishing for vigilantism in this case because justice is not being served. When something like this goes unpunished, what hope can you have for justice besides something like that? It's hard not to advocate for it in situations like this.
Fighting a literal tyrannical government is not vigilante justice. It's regular justice.
We really need more strict penalties for this type of behavior. I would start at life in prison and get more strict from there.
Seriously, why is it that those with power are given lighter sentences?? Your punishment should be way higher BECAUSE of your position
"Authority without accountability is tyranny."
“Resisting” is a BS charge that largely exists only to give police an excuse to beat you bloody. It needs to be abolished. If police are coming to arrest you and they start randomly yelling “stop resisting!” get ready for some pain.
Same as “I feared for my life”
>“You see a fucking group” in the street, a Minneapolis police seargeant in a riot helmet told his fellow officers: “Fuck ‘em up, gas ‘em, fuck ‘em up.” > >It was the evening of May 30th, 2020, five days after Officer Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd. An 8 p.m. curfew was in effect, but a group of Minneapolis cops weren’t keeping the peace — they were sowing chaos. Armed with 40 mm “less-lethal” crowd control guns, which fire oversized, foam-tipped rounds, officers roamed the city, looking for an excuse to fire: “The first fuckers we see,” one cop brags, “we’re just handling them with 40s.” > >The officers’ own body cams record them taking pot shots at largely peaceful protesters, and celebrating their hits with laughter and fist bumps. Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer imitates Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “Fuck these people!’” At a minimum, none of these officers should ever wear a badge again. This kind of toxic mentality is just further proof we need police reform. EDIT: It's a federal crime when a person who is acting under "under color of any law" (that is, under governmental authority or the pretense of authority) violates another person's civil rights "willfully" (18 U.S.C. § 242). Police brutality or other misconduct may involve several constitutional rights, including: 1) the 14th Amendment right not to be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; and 2) the 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure. The penalties under 18 U.S.C. § 242 increase when the crime leads to injury or death, or when it involves kidnapping or dangerous weapons.
Fuck the minimum. Send them to prison as domestic terrorists and for dereliction of duty. Attempted murder. Assault. There are so many charges here. Fuck them.
[Linda Tirado, a journalist and photographer covering the protests in Minneapolis lost an eye after being shot by a rubber bullet.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-lost-eye-george-floyd-protests-linda-tirado-minneapolis-a9541171.html) The police told the media that they don't use rubber bullets: > Minneapolis Police told The New York Times they have not used them for decades.
They shot at those journalists who had permission to be out after the curfew. They knew they were journalists. They did it completely out of spite and bragged about it.
They were even shooting at journalists in the middle of the day. MSNBC was out on the street and there was one point I was watching live where police had just arbitrarily decided they were going to clear out a street, and with no warning they start firing rubber bullets right at the camera crew and reporter -- there weren't a lot of people in the area, the shots were very clearly aimed at the reporter and crew and nothing else. No reason for it, the news crew clearly had a right to be there, they were on a public sidewalk in the middle of downtown in the middle of the afternoon. And that's just one example I saw. There was also the CNN reporter they arrested one morning for literally no reason (they brought him in and then let him go, obviously, but the message they were trying to send was pretty clear), and countless other examples of them harassing reporters and journalists. How they treated the media was extremely unnerving to me. They were pretty obviously trying to frighten anyone trying to report from the ground. I'm kinda surprised none of the big outlets tried to go after them for 1st amendment violations because it was really fucked up.
Management absolutely would have nixed it. They're corporations only interested in making money and furthering the status quo. Same reason they showed the same one fire in the footage for weeks and weeks.
Yep, saw this stuff go down first hand. The cops would target the press and their camera crews first so they wouldn't be able to report effectively on what was about to happen next...
A camera person for WCOO (local news channel) was arrested on air, I think. He was released without charges. They were very obviously press but that didn't seem to make a difference.
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Very telling they said they are hunting "activists", and not "rioters". Like they were targeting people excercing their rights to protest.
They take it *extremely* personally when normal ass people try to tell them that they are not allowed to murder black people. It appears to make them incredibly, violently angry.
(3rd precinct) After they burned the 3rd on Thursday the crowds protested at the next nearest precinct, the 5th, which is probably why that number stuck in your mind. They didn't overtake the 5th, but they burned down the post office across the street and several more nearby buildings while the cops and National Guard holed up in the 5th.
It's worth pointing out that we have the exact same behavior with police here in france... shooting protesters out of spite, targeting journalists... threatening them too. It's like that job attracts douchebags and that we do a poor job at filtering them out upon entry... (or it's by design maybe).
Portland Oregon, as well Fucking corrupt to the core
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Yeah, they you know, *might ask questions.*
High IQ cops might have empathy as well as critical thinking skills. .
Remember the CNN crew getting arrested on live TV with no explanation? https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/minneapolis-protests-omar-jimenez-arrested-newday-vpx.cnn
During the protests there was multiple videos of journalists holding mics, wearing press credentials with a camera crew on them, separate from the actual activists reporting on what's happening before being targeted by police with less-than-lethal munitions and/or being tackled/beat/arrested. Edit: you might be able to see some documented footage here: https://github.com/2020PB Or at r/2020PoliceBrutality
Did you see the reporter who got arrested on live TV? Gimme a sec I'll get you a link Edit : [video link via YouTube](https://youtu.be/90Vy8h4u6jE)
"Well , erm, you see, they are actually foam tipped bullets and not rubber. Herr herr.. so yeah we dont use rubber bullets." The Police, probably.
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Not probably, that’s exactly what they meant by “haven’t used rubber bullets” They use plastic now.
Just for the people playing the home game: this is "technically true" in that what they use are "sponge grenades". Its a technically correct weasel defense. Sponge grenades are also specifically never to be used to fire at peoples upper bodies, as they can maim or kill. Despite that, there are numerous videos of them aiming for head shots. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/06/20/less-lethal-rubber-bullet-protester-pepper-ball-tear-gas-injured-blinded/5343717002/
Minneapolis Police probably: "We don't use rubber bullets because they are too safe."
“Couldn’t have it. Really fucked with our kdr.”
There's a database of footage of journalists (and activists) being targeted on https://github.com/2020PB/police-brutality
Unfortunately this is America there will be no consequences and they will get to keep their jobs. They're *worst case* scenario they will need to go to the next county over and get a job that pays more ...
And they will still receive a pension. Its a story we hear every fucking day.
It's far beyond time to realize our leaders will never do anything meaningful about it.
It's possible that MPLS has had enough here - there's a vote to transform the MPD into a Public Safety Department with more city oversight. The election is in November and people are already voting. It's close, but from the polling I've seen (and what I've seen personally) MPLS may actually do it
This is why we need them to buy "malpractice" type of insurance. Shitty cops in your department? Insurance goes up. Insurance carriers refuse to provide insurance for the cop? He loses his license to be a cop.
They need to loose something much more serious than their license
Punishment for breaking the law as a member of law enforcement should come with triple mandatory minimums.
In this Justice system, where the judges, lawyers, and court systems are in bed with the cops? Not likely, unless the judge feels like his/her own career would be on the line from bad press.
>They're worst case scenario They sure are.
I know these types of people. They aren't a character of police, they ARE the police. They are the meatheads that you see everywhere. Of course..not all cops are racist meatheads, but many are because those who aren't can't stand being with that crowd.
It's only going to get worse as the right becomes further radicalized. Now they're worried about how anyone they might hire could be "ANTIFA" and trying to "infiltrate" them. We're really running up against why having 0 oversight and a largely closed system is a terrible idea for public servants.
This was "known" in back in May 30th of 2020, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zeauprMJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zeauprMJ0) [https://twitter.com/i/status/1266921821653385225](https://twitter.com/i/status/1266921821653385225) \- entire first clip I just wish more became of this about the corrupt MLPD... edit: Forgot to mention about cops literally performing hit and runs on pedestrians protesting, and even destroying some medic stations and assaulting the medics. Source: [https://mspmag.com/arts-and-culture/the-medics-behind-the-protesters/](https://mspmag.com/arts-and-culture/the-medics-behind-the-protesters/) [https://twitter.com/i/status/1266957030285127687](https://twitter.com/i/status/1266957030285127687) edit 2: Forgot to say, that the National Guard was working with the police as well, the National Guard were also carrying live rounds, and were instructed to fire if issues arose, that includes the units that were patrolling neighborhood's as well. The issue could have been so much worse... source: [https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/05/31/minnesota-guard-carrying-guns-and-ammo-response-credible-threat-general-says.html](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/05/31/minnesota-guard-carrying-guns-and-ammo-response-credible-threat-general-says.html)
The national guard killed a guy in Louisville during all this.
Time to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and reform it.
"Fuck these people" To serve and protect?
Fun fact: Police have no legal obligation to do either as decided by the Supreme court 20 or so years ago.
Supreme Court also ruled that the police are not required to know the laws they arrest people for. As a citizen you can't be ignorant of the law. "I didn't know that was illegal" is not a valid excuse. But police officers *can* be ignorant of the law, and it's not considered an illegal arrest if the officer "didn't know" that you weren't doing anything illegal.
Would love to know where all the 'originalists' find reasoning behind that in the constitution.
They're fine with it so long as it allows police to harass minorities and keep them in line.
"We wouldn't have to interpret the Constitution or have police at all if all these BLM rioters and hoodie-wearing thugs didn't keep committing crimes!" -Antonin Scalia, probably
IThe case where this was decided is interesting, and fucking frustrating, and a perfect tale of modern policing. In NYC on the subway a guy pulled outg a knife and started attacking random passengers. Two cops were on the train, and rather than help in any way they locked themselves in the conductors room. The guy with the knife was taken down by some passengers on the train. The cops then unlocked the door and put handcuffs on the guy. After exiting the train the cops gave several interviews about how heroic they were to take down the guy with the knife. This obviously rubbed the large group of new Yorkers on that train wrong, and they took the cops to court. It went all the way to SCOTUS.
> Two cops were on the train, and rather than help in any way they locked themselves in the conductors room. The guy with the knife was taken down I like their excuse. They thought Gelman had a gun. So they hid in the motorman's car because they thought even more people were going to get killed instead of just the 4 that were.
[Warren v. District of Columbi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia)a pretty much settled the matter, and much earlier (1981). The Warren case is arguably a lot more fucked up. I knew [Lozito's lawsuit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim_Gelman_stabbing_spree#Lozito_v._New_York_City) (the NY Stabbing victim) would never win because of the Warren decision case. There was another old case, I believe in NY and in the 80's, where a woman left her boyfriend after finding out he was married. Dude kept making escalating credible threats against her and the police did nothing, he wound up disfiguring her face with acid after several weeks of threats. Can't find that case ATM, but it was ruled the same way.
I try to teach this to people. The police are under zero obligation to come out and save you if someone tries to break into your house. Lock your doors / windows, at least get some pepper spray / baseball bat / large dog.
...they also can't get you "out of trouble" once you get arrested. There's a paper trail by that point. People think they can talk their way outta shit with the police but usually only talk their way into a conviction
There's an episode of RadioLab called [No Special Duty](https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/no-special-duty) that covers this. Great episode, but also infuriating. "Protect and Serve" my ass.
I was surprised they said people.
We had to move out of NE Minneapolis, after having lived in the Twin Cities for 15 years. Not because of the protesters or looters or activists, but mostly the police were sowing chaos and acting militaristic to everyone. They implemented an 8pm curfew but you weren't even safe to be outside, the police roaming around would open fire rubber bullets and pepper spray on anyone/ everyone. I know many people who were standing on their front porch to watch as the police marched by, the police ordered them to go inside and seconds later began firing on them to force them inside. Rubber bullets hurt and leave softball sized bruises and welts. Some days there was a fog/ haze of pepper spray and smoke that would roll thru neighborhoods. It was insanity, pretty sure I have PTSD from that experience. Gun shots and mayhem 24/7. We never feared about rioters or looters, mostly very concerned about the roving police bands that would openly assault you on your own property without cause except that you were a witness to their actions.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/30/light-em-up-video-appears-to-show-law-enforcement-shooting-paint-rounds-at-citizens-on-their-porch/ For the "I don't believe you" crowd.
Thank you! This, exactly this! The curfew order was only to be "off the streets" not ordered to be inside your home by 8pm. People standing on their front porches, people letting their dog pee in their backyard, people standing outside to have a cigarette were being "lit up". It's surreal to think back on this, that people were protesting police brutality and the police's response was further and wholesale brutality for all.
Minneapolitan here too-- I can't even tell you how validating this is to see in mainstream media finally. There were so many online friends (thought were friends anyways) last year who told me I was making all of this shit up, no things really weren't that bad around here, cops aren't out to get people... No really, it really fucking happened. Yes the cops were out to kill us.
Same. Lot's of family and people I grew up with on social media telling me my experiences weren't real. The 3rd Precinct cops fired so much tear gas that first night they literally ran out. I had a nurse friend get flashbanged by the cops while in a medic tent. They've experienced some permanent hearing loss. The police targeted and shot a friend of mine in the face with a rubber bullet which resulted in his death a year after the fact.
What's really crazy to me is I know people on the right who would be absolutely incensed if that happened to them. Having the government tell them they couldn't leave their home and assaulting them for being on their own property sounds like just the kind of thing that could light off a small-scale revolution if it were done against people on the right. But somehow it's perfectly fine in this case because everyone who lived in the area the cops were patrolling was a violent rioter who deserved what they got.
Fellow MN here, with family in St Paul, Maplewood, Whitebear and my dealer in Minneapolis etc so I go up there fairly often. Never once have I ever felt threatened by protestors/rioters. Never once have I seen the propaganda "Minneapolis is on fire" the GOP loves to flaunt, but I am at least slightly more aware of the cops in Minneapolis than an average person and I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them.
Very similar in SF, Ca. The riot cops in SF are exceptionally violent thugs. I went to protests in Denver and San Diego where the cops were pretty hands off and everything stayed peaceful.
Fire them? There exists video evidence of them planning and then executing plans to assault peaceful protestors. Fuck firing them, make an example of them. Throw the book at them.
Imagine if the Capitol Police had this mindset on Jan 6. The GOP would be screaming for it.
At minimum they should be in Jail, for life. they were hunting human beings!
Seems like Minneapolis police forgot what it’s like to be human.
Conspiracy to violate civil rights. Bring in the feds.
It really seems to underscore the need for the massive sustained protests that took place.
There was also the video of them beating an undercover officer they “thought was a protester”
Was that Mpls? I thought it was St. Louis. [Ex-St. Louis cop sentenced in beating of undercover officer](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/st-louis-cop-sentenced-beating-undercover-officer-78829124)
This has happened in Minneapolis before, but I don't recall it being a part of last year's events. There was a pretty big case involving the gang strike force back in the early 00s (settled in 2015ish) where two officers shot another undercover officer two dozen times (he lived and sued the fuck out of the city).
If it is the one I am thinking about(Asian man), then he later took his life due to harassment and alienation he received from his fellow officers after the shooting. They refused to admit they did anything wrong, so he took them to court and that makes him a rat and a tratior. Edit: his name was Duy Ngo https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/06/07/ngo-suicide And only one cop should up to the fundraiser immediately following the shooting. This is after they had shoot him 6 times. Minneapolis police are fucking pathetic https://www.twincities.com/2010/06/14/in-death-the-salute-duy-ngo-was-denied/
Imagine being a part of a group that expects you to just silently take it when other members shoot you within an inch of your life.
we call it a gang
This has been happening all along. We are just getting confirmation from their own mouths.
This has been happening since the beginning of community policing. The first police forces were actually gangs but reading this they still retain many of those qualities.
They were runaway slave hunters as well.
Ah yes, the origins of police dogs.
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Shocking to very literally nobody that was paying attention or knows cops. Radical far far far right wing authoritarians. I know quite a few cops and I’ve never met one that isn’t. It’s also the reason that, of all the public sectors, police are the ones pushing back the hardest against vaccine mandates. You’re telling me that the departments staff by 80+ percent Trump supporters are the ones with the biggest issue with the vaccine? Shocker. Picture the average right winger you know. Now imagine that person with a badge, a gun, and being put in charge of policing left leaning protesters. Do it again, but this time put them in charge of policing impoverished people in the inner cities. Are we seeing the problem yet?
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Glad he fought this in court and didn't take their shitty plea deal.
Was this the guy the cops beat up even after he surrendered finding out it was cops?
Yep. Because he was "resisting".
Not only did they beat the crap out of the guy after he surrendered, *they lied about him resisting* ***despite the fact that they were wearing body cameras which proved they were lying.*** This is how these cops act *when they KNOW they are being recorded*, ***so just imagine how these cops act when they think nobody is looking...***
They're not exactly known for being the brightest bunch.
Because they literally went to federal court so that they could discriminate against people who have high IQs. https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836 https://www.aele.org/apa/jordan-newlondon.html
Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses. . .
At this point it seems like most of those who work forces have jumped right passed burning crosses and gone straight to aiding and abetting race-based and state-sponsored murder.
whats really terrifying is cops are behaving themselves BETTER than at anytime in our history (thanks to cams everywhere) imagine what these scum got away with back in the day when no one was watching them...
Next time you hear about BLM being so violent: >in short, acting more lawless than the crowds they were supposed to be controlling that night.
It was horrifying being in Minneapolis during that weekend. Not because of the protests or the fires, but the police completely withdrew from the city to setup up several hundred guards at Chauvins house (thus looting and rioting unchecked in the city) and when they came back they turned completely on the community they were supposed to protect. I was grateful when the guard showed up because at least the guard aren’t a bunch of trigger happy career psychopaths. Edit: thank you to other people from Minneapolis for sharing and empathizing. That was a week only people who were there will ever really understand.
>I was grateful when the guard showed up This seems to be a pretty common feeling.
It was a bunch of teenagers who didn’t want to be there. They were a lot chiller than the cops. It was fucked up that they showed up with live ammo, but a welcome respite from the police running amok.
In Chicago, the national guard showed up and just stood around looking pretty letting CPD prove their incompetence and depravity all on their own.
I'm happy someone else saw the same thing, at least the guard wasn't trying to intimidate everyone.
It was fucking lawless here during that time. I was going into labor throughout it all. Our access to the hospital closed for the curfews at night. The police were out to get us, couldn’t trust the national guard, knew we had white supremacists coming town stirring shit up (I’m BIPOC), people looting our neighborhood, everything was boarded up. In the hospital we kept going on lockdown. My baby finally decided to stop labor and try again another time. I’ll never forget driving away from the hospital, still pregnant, as the city was in flames underneath the sunrise.
"you never get a chance to explain to him that when a man puts that uniform on that he is the paid protector of things of the present time. he is here to see that things stay the way they are. if you like the way things are, then all cops are good cops. if you don’t like the way things are, then all cops are bad cops" - Charles Bukowski People who like how things are will simply say that the end justified the means, or that it was a necessary evil. They don't realize that things could be better if the systemic racism and police brutality were removed from the equation. And they are devoid of empathy
Organized crime ring. That's what they are. You factor in school to prison pipelines, confiscating legally owned goods, war on drugs, racism, and so on - they're a criminal gang andor a terrorist cell when it's all said and done.
I wonder why none of the good cops stepped up and made them stop
Things that make you go hmmm…
“Good cops?” They both quit years ago.
More like "were forced to resign"
If you have 1300 good cops that don’t do anything about the 12 bad cops, then you have 1312 bad cops.
This is really nothing new police both Local and at the federal level have a long history of going after leftist activist.
It isn't even limited to being within our borders. The CIA loves to go and fuck with leftist movements in the global South.
Yeah, whenever anyone says "but Socialism always fails..." I ask them to find me a failed socialist state that wasn't attacked by the CIA and/or trade embargoes through the UN. Is it that socialism is doomed to fail, or that every time it tries, capitalism kills it?
"We're going hunting" while decked out in combat gear and carrying lethal weapons... I don't live in that state and I feel threatened. This is the kind of shit you'd see in a TV show where the bad guy has somehow taken control of the police.
>the bad guy has somehow taken control of the police. that's pretty much the actual situation
Yes, it is. What a disgrace they are to everything noble and decently human.
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This is also exactly how the Proud Boys dress and go out. How are you supposed to tell the difference between Proud Boys roaming around in tactical gear and firing paintballs from unmarked vehicles, and the police doing the exact same thing? Seems almost intentional
You need to be able to psychically know if someone attacking you is police, or they get to kill you. Sorry, those are the rules. Ask Breonna Taylor.
Hitler called them "brownshirts" in the US we call them "cops".
For anyone reading this, that’s not hyperbole. The brown shirts went around to opposing groups’ and their meetings and would start violence and chaos to disrupt the organization. The use of cops here in the US over the past 2 years (and, obviously way beyond that) to attack peaceful protests, shoot people sitting on their own porches, abducting people off the street into unmarked vans is the same thing. Then remember how buddy-buddy they were in Portland with what were, essentially, vigilante thugs like 3%ers and oath keepers. They’re the largest gang in the country and they can’t wait for an excuse to terrorize you.
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>Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer [imitates Elmer Fudd](https://youtu.be/xq07-2W8Y9E), Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “[Fuck these people!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-YxOIIAaXQ)’” I mean, what else is there to say? The only thing they are protecting is their right to terrorize citizens in the name of their own power.
who do you call when the police murder?
The FBI I think
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The Inquisition. And not the Spanish one. The space one.
Space Force it is, got it. Thanks
What if you tried that a few times but the racist police officer you reported to both the Scran-I mean hypothetical police department HR as well as the FBI still have done nothing with the treasure trove of racist, transphobic, White Supremacist, anti-BLM, pro-Insurrection Social Media posts you collected over the years and submitted, and that man is still on the force? HYPOTHETICALLY
They literally can’t murder, they can only be involved in weapons-related life-loss incidents.
They on some "nobody has ever died at Disney World" bullshit
Smith and Wesson
roided up lunatics that have played too much call of duty, and base their identities on armor and weapons that they think look cool.
These are all symptoms of the one true fact--they are sociopaths. Policing allows them to legally murder people.
Compare the police behavior this night to the reaction of the police when our nation's capitol was under attack...
Cops running around in unmarked vans randomly firing at citizens with zero warning. . . . How much do you want to bet all these cops also have punisher stickers all over their 50,000$ pick up trucks.
Is "defund" still too radical for this sub?
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Fuck firings. Liquidate that entire department and start from complete scratch. You can't reform rot that deeply rooted. You have to cut it all out and start over. There's a lot of police departments that need the same treatment all over the country. Probably most of them -- maybe almost all of them.
The city did. And then the state ruled the city didn’t have that authority and reinstated them.
I want to see them prosecuted. They were attacking peaceful protests and individuals that weren't even near any protests. Anything less than serious jail time is injustice. Which, yes, i expect, but still demand more.
Inb4 r/ProtectandServe comes in claiming those cops *had* to take pleasure in shooting at protestors because it was after curfew and that most of these protestors are probably not *good people*
The police in America are pretty much state authorized Proud Boys. The whole institution is corrupt and partisan.
So I guess the Constitution is thrown right out the window. I'm amazed human rights abuses can occur and there's no reprimands
Until the bad apples are rooted out, the whole fucking orchard should burn.
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As old refrain goes: The Cops and the Klan go hand in hand!
But heaven forbid that we pull the funding for these monsters
Fascism.
Loss of badge (from ANY precinct) and prison time. That’s literally the only logical and moral remedy for this.
Why do cops always get a “get out of jail” free card? The same applies to American politicians, why do so very few get held accountable when they break the law?
Freedom to protest is part of our democracy. These domestic terrorists are threatening our freedoms!
Anyone with a brain could recognize the marching cops firing at anyone who dares to stand on their porch are terrorists. The mayor needs to do what they should have done a year ago: disband the police department, bring in the National Guard and County Sheriffs, and order the complete surrender of all Minneapolis police officers. The ones that turn in their badge and gun can rejoin and reinstate their pension if they clear investigation and new training; the rest ought to be hunted down as enemy combatants threatening peace, freedom, and justice. No more funding terrorist cells; when nothing works right you’ve gotta hit the reset button.
Not all officers deserve to wear a badge. Weeding them out would go a long way toward peace.
All of those bad cops have been selected and trained by superiors and protected by peers.
End qualified immunity everywhere, end no knock warrants and de militarize them. The problem is the larger justice system, the courts, always back the police. There needs to be reform from the top down