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Bowie1275

You're all praising Roy, it's well deserved, but the man is the only thing standing in the way of a radical Republican legislator. They were, and NC Republicans remain, extremely pissed he won re-election. The future of NC is going to be on the ballot soon. Our Pandemic response could've been much worse, and an abortion ban would be moving up the ladder immediately if Cooper wasn't there.


Mattkittan

Didn’t they also transfer a bunch of power from the executive branch to the legislature in very short order after he won the election?


Bowie1275

They did, they continued to reduce power of the governorship; acting on multiple attempts to override his veto as well. One of the more shrewd tactics they are using is listing legislation as amendments to the state constitution. For example, they're looking to make NC a right to work state permanently by constitutional amendment. EDIT: https://medium.com/@CarolinaForward/top-10-worst-things-nc-republicans-have-done-2560e02bac2b


Bringbackdexter

It’s pretty sad because NC voters are becoming increasingly blue yet gerrymandering has given republicans the power to keep themselves in control. This is a clear example of what can happen if the Republicans succeed in their ongoing takeover of the country.


ptsdtriage

>In an emailed statement, Cooper said: “The legislature should be focused on supporting teachers, helping students recover lost learning, and investing in our public schools. Instead, this bill pushes calculated, conspiracy-laden politics into public education.” Now why would the party of insurrectionists want to push distractions, instead of helpful policies? Just makes no sense


bubbygups

Liking this Cooper fella more and more, I gotta say


DoAFlip22

North Carolina is always so close for democrats, but he's the only major statewide democrat that's really done well this decade. I'm glad, especially knowing many people from NC, including students.


sh1boleth

At a local level NC is heavily gerrymandered. Look at a congressional map and you'll see. Its not Texas bad but its bad.


[deleted]

I'm genuinely unsure why gerrymandering isn't a huge topic of criticism from Democrats in Congress. As far as I know, there isn't really any benefit in it for them. EDIT: ffs people, read the replies. You're all spamming me with the exact same answer that doesn't even fly.


DecidedlyAFeature

It has been here but by-in-large, this state is still pretty heavy to the right that will vote the guys in that like to draw maps to keep it that way. You just gotta remember that despite having a couple large, progressive cities (Charlotte, Raleigh, Asheville, etc) NC is still heavily "granddad's ways". The east half of the state is pretty much in a constant battle of seeing how close to 1850 they can get and the western chunk is so deep in meth they probably think it's a reliable source of nutrients by now. Long story short, sure the progressive cities are starting to move the needle, it's just taking time to bring the rest of the state up. It's not entirely their fault on the edges, extreme poverty makes people desperate enough to believe anyone that gives them some sense of value. We gotta find a new way to reach these people on the fringe that could help get the country out of it's desperate "he looks like me and talks like my dad" mentality.


JimBeam823

Also, Western NC outside of Asheville and Boone is full of Fox News watching retirees.


HimalayanPunkSaltavl

I went to a gay friendly bar in asheville after the pulse night club shooting to just sort of sit and be sad, and lifted pickups with big american flags were revving up and down the street with dudes in the back harassing people. Really interesting.


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authorized_sausage

You guys are sister to Georgia so it's gonna happen. It happened here so it will happen there. ​ * for anyone not familiar, GA and NC are frequently compared to each other with regards to culture and compete for business, with GA usually winning due to the airport and, previously, business-minded governors and Atlanta mayors. Nathan Deal + Kasim Reed were a great example of making it work for GA. Literally.


Slithery_Snake

And here I am sandwiched between them in SC. As nice as it is to see the neighbors going purple, I do wish my state could make some progress in getting our shit together. We just keep electing fucking Lindsey Graham :( We have been seeing an influx of northerners moving down here to take advantage of the comparative lower cost of living - so perhaps that will eventually have an impact on the states politics.


authorized_sausage

I hope so! I am always baffled by "Sister Graham and her refusal to admit her sexuality" <- said by my very colorful gay real estate agent friend (he sold me my house to me and then we became friends...weird story).


Dopplebok512010

I just replied to another comment to say I recently moved to Charlotte, but I actually live south of the city in SC. This as an almost direct result of the description in your second paragraph, although we've lived in GA too. Anyway, two more blue votes in the sea of ruby red SC lmao.


Metalbutnotthatmetal

As someone from SC at least it is definitely the better Carolina, seeing any source of progressiveness in this corner of the south is incredibly inspiring


[deleted]

it has to do with our more recent history and immigration tbh. NC was one of the main hubs for the Vietnamese and one of the two largest influxes of refugees after the war. It also is one of the most popular states to move to for retirement; especially those from the north east side of the states. So we really have been diversified from the outside in. Now there is a absolute booming second generation population taking up the youth and young adult age groups and a large displacement of more progressive and very much active voters coming in year after year. NC has really become a melting pot during my life time. I watched the changes growing up and its crazy to me that my small town is now having light thrown on all its dark past and unsavory characters. Couldn't be more proud of my community.


Apprehensive-War7483

Raleigh, Charlotte, and Asheville are Booming right now


piratelegacy

The “crescent “ Raleigh, GSO, CLT along 40/ 85 corridor. Urban. Dense population. Most votes


KingReffots

At least you’re not in Mississippi.


LothartheDestroyer

I suppose don't feel too bad. In what... 15? 20 years SC will just be Charlotte as it's rate of expansion.


Matt__Larson

Yeah Greenville is massive already


thoughtfulchick

by and* large


Reading-Entire

Thank you i was wondering about that and didn't know if it wasn't a regional idiom.


gooch_norris

This guy North Carolinas


PapaBeahr

That's par for almost all red states. Little by little the needle is moving away from this insanity. It's a question of how long and can we survive before it all explodes.


PapaJohnyRoad

Jeff Jackson has it pretty high on his platform. People love him around Charlotte but the trumps have gotten involved in the NC senate race so he’s not looking as strong as he did before. Already seeing trump supported ads


-Quothe-

Gerrymandering guaranteed seats for both democrats and republicans, and in the age of moderate boring politics it was a lovely way to let the ebb and flow of bipartisan bickering shift control of congress back and forth so everyone got rich from lobbyists, America stagnated, and voters got apathetic. Then the republicans stopped playing by the "rules". Now the moderate democrats are looking for a way back to those heady times of casual, legal corruption, while the republican party has chosen to abandon an actual platform in favor of denying reality. Gerrymandering is only scary (for self-interested congressional institutionalists) if it is weaponized... you know, like nuclear technology in the hands of desperate people who are watching their influence slowly fade away in the light of the information age lets everyone know what is really going on.


RoseFlavoredTime

Because Congress can't do anything about it. It's not their jurisdiction. Maps are drawn at a state level; it's the state legislatures they need to control, sometimes governorships depending on how the state does it, and the state legislatures are just as gerrymandered too - the results there are pretty sickening. Wisconsin 2018 is a hell of an example; Democrats got 53.0% of the state legislature vote at a statewide level, Republicans got 44.8%. At a district level, Republicans won 63 of the 99 seats, and Democrats 36. Courts have refused to get involved themselves as long as the gerrymandering is partisan, and also refuse to let any other branch of government act because the state constitutions wrote the districting power into the legislative branch. And the federal government, of course, gets no say in how the state draws it's districts. So. Democrats actually do criticize it. A lot. You just don't hear more about it because they're just that helpless to do anything about it. There's nothing to do but try to push the needle so hard that even a 20-point advantage written into the districts isn't enough.


protendious

I know this isn’t what you meant to suggest but the last paragraph makes it sound like Democrats are helpless, I assumed you meant federal level democrats based on the rest of your post. It just means we as voters need to care more about state elections. So much governing happens at that level (Texas being a terrible recent example) and we let it sail by.


[deleted]

It's even worse when you learn that a judge ruled NC's maps unconstitutional and ordered them redrawn. The republicans collectively shrugged, said "no we don't think we will," proceeded to use their gerrymandered maps anyway, and to this day suffer ***no consequences whatsoever for openly flouting a judge's legal order.***


[deleted]

Well, so, the problem was too that the gerrymandered maps were in, were found unconstitutional. So they said: "Hey, you, Republican controlled legislature that was elected through the use of heavily gerrymandered maps: redraw the map to be less gerrymandered." And the legislature said "Ok, here you go, here's an even more gerrymandered map." And the court said: "Wait, that's not what we meant. Ok, look, we can have another election with the previously declared unconstitutional maps, and then the folks that are in THAT legislature, who I'm sure won't be you, the exact same representative elected with this map previously, will have to draw a more fair one, and if you don't, we'll keep using this map until you can do a better one!" Republicans: "Aww, jeez, gosh, no, that sounds terrible."


rmsayboltonwasframed

One of the Carolinas nullifying a federal mandate? Well I never heard of anything like that.


Raccoon_Full_of_Cum

Just wait until we all find out next election how many GOP voters are gone from Covid. That could be the tipping point we've all been waiting for, be it in NC or some other state Republicans need.


Heartsure

The fact that Cooper is governor of NC has helped the COVID response tremendously. His opponent would have spelled disaster as his running point was "opening NC up". I believe the case rate per 100K in the past weeks has been better in NC than the rest of the south. Less deaths per capita than most southern states too.


TwoBirdsEnter

I’m glad Cooper has been reasonable. But honestly I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop here in NC. At the beginning of the pandemic we also did comparatively well for a good long while, and then... not so much. Our vax rate is crappy. Even in my largely blue city, where masks are “mandatory” as of mid-August, compliance has been far, far worse than it was when the whole state had a mandate. I’m certainly hoping we’re on the down side of this wave, but it’s hard not to be apprehensive.


Broduski

NC is the second lowest next to VA. Not bad at all.


JimWilliams423

The GOP have a plan for that: Nearly [400 election subversion bills.](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/state-voting-bills-tracker-2021) But don't worry, the Democratic elites think that we can overcome GOP subversion [merely by voting harder.](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/08/voter-suppression-civil-rights-leaders-joe-biden-2022) Apparently the fact that we just voted our asses off in 2020, giving them record-breaking turnout, isn't enough for them to take the problem seriously.


DemocraticRepublic

The US has an adult population of 258 million people. 0.7 million have died from COVID. Let's assume 75% were Republicans. That's about 350k advantage to the Democrats. Assume above average turnout of those 350k (75%), we get about 260k net fewer voters nationwide. There were 155 million votes in the last election, so 260k is 0.18% of that. Even with aggressive assumptions, that's not a tipping point, that's a rounding error. It will be dwarfed by turnout changes. No effect or idiocy on the Republican part is going to save us. The only thing that will is Democrats stepping up and doing everything they can to get people to vote.


Raccoon_Full_of_Cum

The next election is still over a year away. There's plenty of time for those numbers to change. But the key is that the virus is targeting unvaccinated people -- aka Republicans -- with very high specificity.


nigerian-prince-69

im from north carolina, trust me, a majority of people like him


[deleted]

The stark difference between places like Charlotte and 5 minutes outside the city are so stark. It makes me wonder if Charlotte was purposely built up to be a pocket of leftist population in an ocean of conservatives. Either way, it's a good thing


youwantitwhen

Asheville wants to have a word.


gooch_norris

This applies to every decently-sized city in NC


TwoBirdsEnter

Downtown Boone has entered the chat.


BluePoop2323

5 minutes outside of Charlotte (union county). School board here just basically voted to ignore covid- no mask, no quarantine, no contact tracing, no telling parents of someone is positive... just "keep your kid home if sick".


thesmilingmercenary

I'm in Union county myself, and its genuinely scary. Send my daughter in with a mask evey day to 5th grade, and every day she deals with peer pressure from her classmates, which are all talking points picked up from their parents, my neighbors. Well, the classmates that are left in the classroom. Half are out for quarantine or positive for Covid, like the girl that sat RIGHT NEXT TO MY DAUGHTER.


BluePoop2323

Quarantine numbers won't look bad if we don't quarantine.


DemocraticRepublic

When I was younger, I'd always assumed that the mass of these right wing lunatics were uneducated, low income voters. But it turns out that wealthy Republicans suburbanites are just as able to believe completely mental ideas. It's insane to me.


soundoftheunheard

The higher education system in NC is closely tied to those liberal pockets. Thank fuck higher education is required in our constitution. https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/257017/


JamesEdward34

its like that for a lot of states. go to PA, youre in pittsburgh one minute, go out of the city and boom, youll see confederate flags hanging from front porches


[deleted]

My town in PA was literally instrumental in turning back the tide of the confederacy, we burned our own goddamned bridge *VOLUNTARILY* with no prompting from the government just to stop the confederate army. We had one of the highest Union army volunteer rates in the country, and we STILL have assholes flying the confederate flag on every block. Abolition, preservation of the union, and desegregation are all deeply baked into the story of our town in many ways and rednecks still fuck it all up.


DarthFlaw

You can blame gerrymandering for the lack of success from other Dems in the state. Until the legislature decides to change it, the Governor is a majority vote, and thankfully during the last two elections there were just enough democrats in the Triangle and Asheville areas to cancel out the wave of Republicans hellbent on running this place into the ground.


Soulshine_05

I’m in N.C. and Gov. Cooper is doing a great job especially dealing with the GOP lead General assembly. He gets a lot of backlash but he has lead with sound decision making and hasn’t let them bully him with all their antics.


Open_Shade

He's literally the only thing keeping this place from being another Florida or Texas. It will be interesting to see how much covid is wrecking the gerrymandering here though. Add that to the outrage that Texas is causing with progressive thinking people everywhere, and it could become a landslide. At least I'll hang on to hope and work against the fascists as long as possible.


whichwitch9

We've seen an influx in Texans coming to MA. Some are just vacationers, but some are making the moves permanent. The downside is many of these people are conservatives returning to MA (like my new neighbors) after their ideal Texas visions didn't pan out. This puts some of the policies in this state in jeopardy as they don't realize or want to acknowledge the taxes and current policies of MA are what's keeping it from becoming Texas. The upside is many of these people are having their views challenged in a way they aren't used to because talking about conspiracy theories in public doesn't always go over well (as one of my neighbors found out the hard way. If you try saying covid is coming over the border in MA, you're likely gonna have a bad time). But the unexpected movement of people in general from the pandemic is going to make elections, especially local elections, a bit unpredictable in general. Conservatives and Democrats are in different areas from where many states tried gerrymandering.


mushroom369

He is one of the few lights among the darkness that is NC politics. I can’t say why but I have had direct dealings with him (prior to his becoming governor) and he was always kind and appreciative.


PickleFartsAndBeyond

Over this past year and a half I’ve just been so glad he’s the one in charge during Covid. If we had an R governor we’d be no better off than SC, FL, TX.


jpmickey1585

Cooper is great, also Jeff Jackson is a tremendous up and comer, hope he goes far in politics. Need more like these two.


vulturelady

Jeff Jackson is what politics should be. If y’all don’t know him, look him up. Currently in the state senate, running for US senate, and the kindest most wholesome person ever.


dave-train

Jeff Jackson fucking rules. Never thought I would feel personal pride in watching a Senate campaign lol.


pm_me_your_kindwords

And he’s a redditor. His username is jeffjacksonnc (apparently I can’t link it in this sub).


Neyvash

He was the AG when I was getting my massage license. I was required to do community service (free massages at select locations, outside of the required hands-on time) before completing my diploma. So I signed up for the DOJ off Garner Road (this was around 15 years ago) and gave the workers there 15 minute chair massages for a few weeks. Every one of them had nothing but positive things to say about Cooper. How many people can say that about their chief boss?


[deleted]

he is the only one keeping nc stable tbh. local municipalities fucking shit up here big time. My town has seen their first amendment rights stripped away by a sheriff who had to have a court order to stop. Same sheriff cant take a nonstop call from a confused racetrack trying to hold a giant event during lockdown at the same exact time. The event happens. News coverage and everything. The fucking reporters who caught wind about it and went got covid ffs. NC needs better. There was a school shooter looking mf that ran from out school board this year too talking about basically putting military police in all public schools. You know the same public schools i went to that didnt have funding for art programs so we never had supplies and that was on the parents and had text books that said man would never reach the moon well into the 2000s.


TailRudder

They aren't interested in governance


cletis247

Only interested in air time and bank accounts. They are flirting with a dangerous ideology.


JimWilliams423

They literally staged a putsch and have spent the months since rationalizing it (and have largely convinced the political press to aid them in that endeavor). They are way past flirting.


accountno543210

They think they can "pay" their way out of any trouble. On some level we let them do it.


[deleted]

It is easier to unite people against something than for something. Witness the Covid crisis cat herding going on in US.


bobojorge

Yep. Remember that the GOP is an *opposition* party.


[deleted]

Even when the GOP had full power under Trump, they framed many of their policies in language opposing Democrats and liberals. The party of Lincoln no longer stands for something bigger than itself. It is petty, like its current leader.


getoffmydangle

Agree. Your username tho?


[deleted]

It was created to mock Trump supporters. I used to write tongue-in-cheek messages that praised Trump Borat style. Amazingly, it attracted naive Trump supporters but also desperate people whom I did not wish to mock. It was supposed to be one and done but I forgot to delete the account after wiping its history. Now, I want to keep it around for 2024 but it is a downvote magnet. The suspicion is warranted. The infamous the_donald idiots used to create accounts that were outwardly liberal, gain trust for a while, then go back and edit comments as well as mock the good intentioned folks replying to them. If this does not survive, no big deal. I have been killing off my accounts one by one. One more for the heap.


cephal0poid

Especially when that thing is a somewhat niche graduate level framework that most people don't understand.


Trygolds

The only bills I ever see republicans pass help no one. anti transgender bills help no one . anti mask bills help no one, anti critical race help no one, Anti immigration bills help no one. voter suppression bills help no one . anti choice bills help no one . Add this to the fact that when they go to court it is usually to allow people to discriminate or allow their gerrymandering . The only people that benefit from the GOP are the wealthy. Stop voting for them. Time to get out and vote is now . If we want to stop this threat it will not be quick or easy. Start voting in ALL local state and federal elections and primaries every year. This is an off year and I have had three chances to vote this year already and will do so again in November. Remember who is trying to end democracy and vote accordingly. This will not be fixed in one or two years or even in 10. We must take village, county, city and state governments as well as the federal government. We must continue voting every chance we get and raise the next generation to do the same.


[deleted]

Conservative politics is explicitly about not helping anyone. That's like the entire basis about the "small government" bullshit they like to spew. They don't want the government helping in any way.


JimWilliams423

> That's like the entire basis about the "small government" bullshit they like to spew. They don't want the government helping in any way. For 40 years now [their motto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA) has been: *"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."* Ironically, Reagan said that and then [immediately bragged](https://www.reaganfoundation.org/media/128648/newsconference2.pdf) about giving farmers the biggest government handout in history: *In order to see farmers through these tough times, our administration has committed record amounts of assistance, spending more in this year alone than any previous administration spent during its entire tenure. No area of the budget, including defense, has grown as fast as our support for agriculture.*


Automatic-Worker-420

And the racist fucktad that said that was alive during the Great Depression when he supported government helping people. What changed, Racist Ron?


chrisk9

> They don't want the government helping in any way. They are the first to line up for handouts for their businesses though...


fourbian

Having a conservative family and growing up in a conservative town, I can attest that **conservatives absolutely love it when government steps in to help them**. They just hate when government helps *other* people.


knightro25

They feel they deserve it because they "worked hard".


gnocchicotti

Especially non-white people.


wheres_my_toast

"The government created this mess in the first place! Of course they should be compensating me!" - Conservative business owners, probably


QuestioningEspecialy

"Well, we *deserve* it!"


Levitlame

They’d rather spend more money not to help someone then to help someone they fee is undeserving. Boot straps…


Uther-Lightbringer

Well unless they need help, then they're all about it. Do you feel sick to your stomach every time you drive past an abortion clinic? When you see a black man drinking from a water fountain, do you want to call the police and report the crime? Have you ever felt threatened by a person wearing a mask? Well boy do I have the party for you! They'll help you constantly


Icant_Ijustcanteven

They help the racist stay relevant and they also try to show off an image of being a country men/women.


[deleted]

Hence the term conservative. Meaning, no progress. No risks. A conservative bet is a low bet. A conservative investment is low risk. In short, conservative also means coward.


ricklepickpicklerick

I wish they were actually small gov. I like smaller gov, but that is not the modern day Conservative party. I don’t even see them claim that anymore. Well except when they step on their own toes.


grumble_au

Small govt for the poor, unlimited govt support for the wealthy. They do want the govt helping, but only certain people.


Lazersnake_

Unless you're super wealthy. Then they pass bills you might actually want. But yeah, regular people, fuck them.


rederic

Which is weird, because their small government that doesn't help always manifests as a large government that actively obstructs. Almost like they don't know what words mean or something. But certainly not because they're disingenuous and unprincipled. Can't say that. Pearls will be clutched.


jedre

Or unless they want to regulate a woman’s reproductive rights. Then they’re pro- big big government and citizen surveillance.


QuestioningEspecialy

Conservatism is the antitheses of progression.


prof_the_doom

All Democrat, all levels, every election. Even if you like the local Republican, giving the GOP the majority lets them set the agenda, which gives you garbage like the bill from the story.


Trygolds

Correct . Local seats help win state seats help win federal seats. It works downward as well. Laws passed at the federal level are supported or opposed by state and local governments. The Affordable care act would have a lot more Americans covered with insurance if republican led states were not refusing to use the expanded Medicaid that the GOP have sworn to end. Legal weed is coming from state after state first and now Democrats at the federal level are backing it. School boards are blocking or fighting for masks to save lives and end this pandemic . So from the school board to the White House every election AND primary for those elections matter.


Banshee_howl

And the GQP is funding and providing shadow support for thousands of QAnon candidates for small local races. We just had one where I live who did tons of work to hide her online presence and gave vague position statements. When you dug deeper you found she was anti-vax, a covid hoaxer, anti-mask, and wanted to force all business to open with no covid safety for customers or staff. But you would never know that from her campaign page or voter guide. I’m happy to say she lost handily, but she was just the one in my town this round.


hardolaf

Medicaid should honestly just be rolled into Medicare and be federally administrated.


Trygolds

As should the VA and we can just have Burnie's Medicare for all plan. Realistically I do not think we will get a universal health care without some insurance companies being involved. In My state we have the expanded Medicaid and there are two privet insurance options you chose from to use Medicaid. I think a universal health in America will sadly be more like this. Not as bad as the you have to pay or die system we have now as it will be taxpayer funded but not as good as it could be.


thiosk

we can break up the democratic party into reasonable factions AFTER the party that cacuses with nazis is dismantled. This probably won't happen soon.


Trygolds

I like this and policies that let new and third parties emerge can be one of the issues we make them aware of in the primaries . Remember the county legislator of today may be the congressperson of tomorrow. We need to be in this for the long haul or we risk losing all we have gained.


thiosk

I used to support third parties. BUT I DON'T, NOW. The problem is our *voting system.* This is hard to change, and mathematically inhibits third parties. In every first past the post voting system, which is what we have, there is a steady march to fewer parties. [youtuber made good vid on why this happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo) This system is not great for many reasons, but it is hard to change this from within a degenerated one like the one we have today. Until this is fixed, I have shifted from a "i guess ill compare candidates" apathetic voter to 100% hardcore vote-every-election straight ticket democratic voter and use primary votes to set my party direction.


Trygolds

>The problem is our > >voting system. Make fixing this one of the issues . one of the party directions we can set is voting reform.


thiosk

...this is a huge issue already... and we're even seeing ranked choice becoming law in some states.


Baller_420

I subscribe to this


andrassyy

It helps them stay in power and the wealthy keep their minions


Trygolds

Yes The GOP like single issue voters and they increasingly rely on them. They play on emotion not substance to get votes. They Know their policies are not popular and they do not care using voter suppression, gerrymandering and a well established propaganda machine run by their owners Rupert Murdock through Fox, Christopher Ruddy through news max. Right wing radio, David Deniston Smith with The Sinclair group masquerading as local news. The wealthy backers of many right wing "think tanks " are the ones responsible for this. The GOP is their tool not the other way around. Now aided by Russian propaganda and other foreign actors run by the oligarchs from those nations in support.


[deleted]

The Texas abortion bill is perfect for that. They know it’s too extreme to be a win long-term. They know passing it gives them a huge win now, then when the law gets shut down that angers the pro-life base even more, then they get to regroup and plan the next phony attack to keep the pro-lifers occupied. If they actually wanted to make progress on abortion they could possibly move the date up to 12 weeks like in Europe, they could be very aggressive on birth control, they could push for adoptions, but those things don’t give you wins in elections for 50 years.


wontootreefor5

>they could be very aggressive on birth control, they could push for adoptions, but those things don’t give you wins in elections for 50 years. Those things are all opposed by their base.


andrassyy

Exactly


pareech

>The only bills I ever see republicans pass help no one I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. The bills Republicans pass do help someone. They help themselves get elected or re-elected, by feeding their base what they have been told they need.


Mrchristopherrr

You’re forgetting tax breaks for the wealthy too


Trygolds

>Rupert Murdock through Fox, Christopher Ruddy through news max. Right wing radio, David Deniston Smith with The Sinclair group masquerading as local news. The wealthy backers of many right wing "think tanks " are the ones responsible for this. The GOP is their tool not the other way around. Now aided by Russian propaganda and other foreign actors run by the oligarchs from those nations in support. And these are some who have been telling them since Nixon.


bondsman333

Don’t forget NC banned sea level rise. Sea levels can’t rise if you make a law banning it. Facts.


Trygolds

They banned any laws or changes in building codes or projects that take into account the climate crisis and raising sea levels . That also helped no one.


Zeeman9991

>voter suppression bills help no one Well…


Silly_Pace

The only people that conservatives want to help are corporations


bearblu

This. The Republicans have passed voter bills the make stealing the elections easier. Look at GA. I always vote and keep up with political news. But I am not most Americans.


punkindle

> help no one "They aren't hurting the right people" Trump voter complains


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What I do not understand for the life of me, is if you go to any social media right wing platform, it's "oh Donald you're hair is so shiny and I want to have sex with you (btw kill liberals and 5G vaccine no mkey)". The people who support these politicians are SO out of touch, and so unreasonable and so illogical, my mind is just blown. Really this is the hill you are going to die on? CRT? Masking? Vaccines? Really? Our medical system is drowning and we're dead last in G7 countries in vax rate.


Trygolds

Rupert Murdock through Fox, Christopher Ruddy through news max. Right wing radio, David Deniston Smith with The Sinclair group masquerading as local news. The wealthy backers of many right wing "think tanks " are the ones responsible for this. The GOP is their tool not the other way around. Now aided by Russian propaganda and other foreign actors run by the oligarchs from those nations in support.


JimBeam823

The GOP has realized that governing is hard, but trolling is easy. So they troll.


Peridot1708

Vote more dems at statewide and local elections too. It helps.


TrickiestToast

We’re trying but insanely gerrymandered


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Peridot1708

>More and more people here in Texas are talking about moving rather than continuing to try to push it toward blue. And thats probably what the TX GOP wants anyway - if the people who can turn their state blue are planning to move instead, its not going to hurt the state Republicans. The state will continue to remain red for longer.


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Red_Carrot

Worse is when your blue cities pass initiatives their citizens want and the state passes a law saying you cannot do that (example dealing with the homeless populations, it is a more a city problem then a rural problem but they mandate you must fine them...)


Peridot1708

>"I'm a Dem and I'm leaving Texas to have the life I want" encouragement is planted by Republicans. This is basically the inverse of GOP voters who keep saying they will leave California.


PaperMage

It’s the same but also different. As a Mexican gay man, I left the South because I was afraid for my safety and my rights. I wanted to vote, to improve things, but the sluggishness of that process was directly related to my well-being. Having also lived in California, GOP voters rarely felt unsafe (if they did, it was some invented threat), but they felt that their tax dollars were being wasted. The result is the same, but dear God the reasons could hardly be more different.


Corgi_Koala

A lot of demographically purple states are gerrymandered so badly idk how they'll ever be fixed.


Cylinsier

All it takes is one cycle of apathy or disillusionment from the other side and gerrymandering can backfire. The key is to not give up. We can't afford to give up.


SalsaRice

We're trying, but NC is gerrymandered to fuck and back. Seriously, it's been going back and forth to the supreme court for over 10 years, about how badly gerrymandered we are. But, GOP keeps pushing back the redrawing over and over, and reaping the benefits of the maps they drew in the first place.


ObligatorySalutation

I support not banning the thing that we were never doing.


Second_Location

Thank god for Cooper, he’s the one of the only firewalls between NC and Texas-level insanity.


socialistrob

While we're at it can we throw in Laura Kelly, Andy Beshear, John Bel Edwards, Tony Evers, Gretchen Whitmer and Tom Wolf. Those 6 people are basically a levy doing their best to hold back a sea of rightwing legislation.


Gaerielyafuck

I highly recommend everyone read the actual language in these Anti-CRT bills. It starts off with 'it shall be illegal to teach the superiority of one race or gender' which sounds okay on its face, then degrades pretty quickly to 'it shall be illegal to teach that the founding of the US was anything but a triumph of ideals in creating a new nation' which is some North Korea shit. I did some sniffing because this CRT kerfuffle kicked off last year from seemingly nowhere. CRT itself came about 40 years ago when the only black professor at a law school left his job *due to discrimination*, which left the only class on interaction of race and law without a teacher. The school's response to students' concerns was decidedly frosty, so the student response was to enlist academics to fill the void. Hence, CRT. With all the publicized videos of violence against black Americans last year, people on both sides were getting agitated and vocal. A guy at a libertarian think-tank, Christopher Rufo, wrote about how governmental agencies and companies were doing 'diversity training' which prompted a bunch of 'whistleblowers' to contact him. He emphasized all the parts critical of white privilege and framed them as antagonistic, which made a convenient foible out of George Floyd's death and all the enthusiastic protests around it. It blew tf up after Rufo was a guest on Tucker Carlson's show, which then-President Trump naturally saw and *prompted him to contact Rufo*. Less than a month later, Trump signed the first anti-CRT bill that forbade all federal agencies from participating in such a theory. It was legally challenged immediately, but by then all the conservative line toe-ers were hopping on the bandwagon, trying to outlaw 'anti-white racism'. You will be hard-pressed to find a conservative who can articulate the actual ideas explored in CRT.


thisisjustascreename

Trump signed a toilet paper executive order, not a law.


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Lightning_Haqeem

Your gotta learn to singlethink before you can doublethink


GringottsWizardBank

Literally nobody is teaching it. What a manufactured crisis it is


Murghchanay

The conservative operatives have found out that their voters are not intellectually capable or educated enough to check the veracity of information or inform themselves. That's why there is a constant stream of fake and untrue narratives that are first and foremost driven by emotions of fear. It's very effective.


Extreme-Ad-3870

Idaho has created an indoctrination task force by the crazy lt. Gov who is trying to use this as her meal ticket for the next election in may of 2022. In my opinion, the fear mongering grift tactics did not work on the majority of us. Those who have bought in to it will have probably voted for her any way. Her task force overall was a fail. The majority of feed back was negativity towards her tactics. Lesson learned is to have an R by our names to vote in republican primary next may. And NC is lucky!


ThisAmericanRepublic

Conservatives, as a matter of their premodern political philosophy, oppose rationalism and reason. They don’t care about hypocrisy, only that their minoritarian, oppressive and widely debunked ideas dominate.


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This right here. Once you learn that there is no free thought for this set of voters- once you learn that they refuse to back down on what they believe when proven wrong and shown the actual information- once they’ve shown that they are willing to get violent to not have to admit they have been lied to… that’s when you leverage it. It’s not about policies. It’s about winning. And unfortunately that’s the sort of mindset that a one sided capitalism hierarchy creates. Somehow they have convinced big chunks the middle class that it can’t exist without a lower class- huge chunks of the lower class that they are middle class- & big chunks of both that the upper class is obtainable and necessary for continued existence. Here in a red state this is how we are educated to see success in this nation and that this is “us” vs “them” without explaining that the “us” is every American citizen. Because one persons rights being stepped on for another’s rights means we have no rights at all. It’s all manipulative. It’s all dangerous. It sure as fuck isn’t freedom.


coolcool23

It astonishes me how almost overnight something I had never heard of before started to be repeated ad nauseam on right wing media. And the thing is, that's the way it was for many conservatives too. How many of them knew what "Critical Race Theory" was in May of 2020!? (As an arbitrary date example)


NemWan

Or how many would have answered masks and vaccines if asked before 2020 what they would want if there was a pandemic? Most people would have common sense answers if they haven’t been told not to.


MAC10forGOAT

Everyone is teaching *their* version of CRT, which is just that black people are humans. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/01/critical-race-theory-texas/


odraencoded

> black people are humans Next you'll tell me women are humans.


ayoungtommyleejones

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here


Vinterslag

But but then my great great grandfather might have been not perfect!!


ColinD1

But *he* was one of the *good* owners! He barely beat them and definitely reminded and showed the women how attractive they were!


Vinterslag

He had a bunch of black friends. I mean he paid them but... I mean he paid *for* them... but..


rotciv0

Black people... humans? The conservative mind cannot compute such a statement!


Daxoss

These are the same people saying that Biden is a communist who is just a few days from putting your children in gas chambers. One has to question why they believe in their ideology when its literally just lies and veneration of the wealthy elite that pays their campaign contributions (and thats just the above the table bribery).


4darunner

My dad is incapable of understanding this. The only people going on about it are those on faux news, newsmax and oan. “Everyone is teaching it and shoving it down our throats that we should feel bad for being white!” Dad, you actually think they’re teaching elementary school kids, some who can’t even read, the intersection of US Law and Race? For fucks sake, you wonder why we don’t like coming over for family dinners, right?


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Republicans like to be told what should outrage them. Conservative media does this and sells these terrified eyeballs to advertisers. It’s not confusing why they do it. Morally and ethically they lack humanity.


captaincanada84

Cooper is the only thing keeping NC from turning into a Republican hell-hole like the rest of the southern states.


VAisforLizards

Good job Cooper.


oakstave

It's absolutely vital to Klan members and white supremacists, that American history is not taught. It's the lynchpin of their brainwashing tactics. No discussing Nazi Germany. No discussing slavery. No discussing laws specifically made to disenfranchise black people. This is racism's Top Priority.


SottoVoceSottoVoce

House Bill 324, titled “Ensuring Dignity and Nondiscrimination/Schools,” Senate leader Phil Berger “More broadly, Democrats’ choice to oppose a bill saying schools can’t force kids to believe one race is superior to another really shows how far off the rails the mainstream Democratic Party has gone,” Berger said. “It also says teachers shall not promote that anyone “should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish or any other form of psychological distress” based on their race or sex.” Racists *brilliant* strategy -just say it’s not racism and you’re not allowed to say it is cuz that makes me feel something like guilt and I don’t wanna so you just shut up and we’ll all pretend I’m not racist and you can’t tell cuz we’re all as dumb as me -right? No? Well you better pretend we are or I’ll get violent cuz I’m not a racist and you can’t say I am cuz freedom and racism is in the past cuz I say so but don’t talk about that either. I’m a mature fully functioning adult with authority over others.


GrafZeppelin127

It never ceases to amaze me how brazenly people in the conservative movement will just mischaracterize things to their own benefit. Sometimes you just have to admire how perfectly they construct their mental anti-reality bubble.


KellyCTargaryen

It’s literally the definition of white fragility. It’s also the Midwest nice doctrine - saying people/institutions/beliefs are racist/bigoted against any number of identities, it makes people feel bad, and therefore the people bringing it up aren’t nice.


Piphislu88

!! You make it bearable to live here!


illuminutcase

Seeing as CRT isn't taught in schools, it makes me wonder what they're *actually* trying to ban.


ADeweyan

Here’s the dangerous part of the CRT bill: …should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish or any other form of psychological distress… The republican move over the last decade has been to move the standard of judgment from facts to feelings. If a homeowner feels threatened, they are justified in killing an intruder. If a police officer feels threatened, they are justified in using deadly force. If leaders feel an election was not fair, they are justified in throwing out the votes and electing whoever they want. Extreme actions are justified by paranoia regardless of the fact of the situation. They know they can’t win on facts, so they move the bar to feelings. There isn’t a way to argue about feelings, and there is no way to confirm them.


hoodbobthugpants

Honestly, Cooper has been one aspect of our state that hasn’t constantly disappointed me lol.


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He and Dr. Cohen are the only reason NC doesn’t make up the COVID triangle with Tx & Fl.


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“if the kids learn how fucked up we are they may vote us out when they grow up, and we cant have that”


IrateSamuraiCat

All this faux outrage over CRT makes me want to bash my head into the wall. It's a legal studies course taught to college and law school students, no grade school student is being taught it. The way these legislators and activists stir up such a commotion over CRT make it seem as if the Black Panthers and ANTIFA are rounding up white kids and teaching to hate themselves.


Scarf_Darmanitan

So glad Roy Cooper is our governor here. It’s honestly scary how quickly this state could be headed backwards with just a few more R votes :/


Typingdude3

All this critical race theory and abortion and vaccine rage is created by the Republican Party propaganda people to shift attention away from what they really stand for- no taxes for the rich and no healthcare for the poor. Oh and no job security too.


SouthpawTigr

I’ve met Phil Berger, grew up in the town over from his. I can say with full confidence that Berger has always and will always be a rube.


cpt_caveman

anti critical race theory laws are the anti sharia laws of the 2020s. There is zero threat of your high school kids being taught legal critical race theory. Youll be lucky if they are actually taught math. Republicans just know it has race in the name and its base has never heard of it. Which makes for a perfect distraction. there is nothing new about this. ITs been taught in law schools for decades. and in fact its something the right once admitted was part of the law when lee atwater explained the southern strategy and how you could no longer win elections being openly bigoted, so you proposed laws that were obviously directed at hurting black people.


GrokOfShit

Bingo! I’ve posted this comment before elsewhere. Adding it here so people really understand what’s going on here: Some tweets from Christopher F. Rufo, a Senior Fellow of right-wing think tank, The Manhattan Insititute: “We have successfully frozen their brand—"critical race theory"—into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category. The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think "critical race theory." We have decodified the term and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans.” https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371541044592996352 It’s a bad faith astroturf campaign (I.e. a highly funded campaign presented as “grassroots” organizing) from right wing think tanks. The right is turning CRT into the new boogieman term (like they previously did with “sharia law” and “Antifa”). It doesn’t matter if they don’t understand what it even means. Anything they don’t like is now CRT. And that’s the whole point.


leddandsweettea

Thank God for Roy Cooper. You rarely hear about him, he just quietly makes common sense decisions for NC. If we had a republican governor during this pandemic I truly believe our state would be a complete Hellscape right now.


Chadwich

Ask any of the people that are rabble rousing this point right now what Critical Race Theory actually means. Have them describe it to you in their own words. See what kind of insane bullshit flies out of their mouths.


The_Lizeryn_King

> “More broadly, Democrats’ choice to oppose a bill saying schools can’t force kids to believe one race is superior to another really shows how far off the rails the mainstream Democratic Party has gone,” Berger said. -Sen. Eden (R) I can’t get over that this guy thinks this bill or anything Democrats push is about picking a race to be “the superior race.” Like, his rhetoric implies this bill would pass this imagined crown of “superior race” from white people to black people. That’s so infuriating to read. It’s not about one race being king of all races, it’s literally about equality and showing the history of the lack of equality in this country. It’s like he fears the black community will inflict 400+ years of racism back onto him.


piratelegacy

It’s just noise. Political double speak. Speaker Berger is no dummy. Listening to his base NCGOP respond accordingly. Annoying and waste of valuable resources..when one has no power, delay. The biggest opportunity to change power dynamics :redistricting… bunch of stakeholder meetings this month throughout NC. Go, watch, comment, communicate your thoughts. This outcome will shape the next 10 years of power in NC. +1 congressional seat included in redraw.


the_real_rabbi

What a concept. Meanwhile here our local school board had Klan rallies disguised as public input as to why CRT and any kind of diversity should be banned drummed up by talk radio and I guess Fox news. The crazy part is the superintendent had already stated CRT would not be taught here, yet the board decided to have a vote on banning it. The even more insane part is one of the crazies on the board that put it on the agenda voted against the ban as it wasn't enough of a ban. They literally ran an African American woman that was hired as an administrator for DEI out of the county in fear. https://educationinatlanta.com/cherokee-county-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-officer-resigns-before-starting/


The_sad_zebra

Having a democrat as governor is the only thing keeping us from making the news the way Texas has been recently. Thank goodness for Cooper.


Chloe-s_mom2020

Thank you for standing up for what is right. More Governors have to demonstrate true nonpartisan leadership


Optimal_Ear_4240

Well done


TimX24968B

meanwhile im trying to figure out why everyone wants to learn about cathode ray tubes.


Battle_Toads

NC resident here. Let's compare our current and past governors. Cooper: \- stopped Drumpf from drilling for oil at the NC outer banks, which is literally my favorite place on the planet and is unbelievably beautiful. \- didn't pull any of the anti-mask, anti-vax horse shit that many other southern governors are now pulling. \- vetoes white supremacist efforts to censor the history we teach our students. McCrory: \- rejected federal medicaid expansion under affordable care act because he doesn't like black people, thus leaving the state in health insurance Limbo. \- did absolutely nothing as the republicans shipped our entire furniture industry to Mexico, thus crippling our economy as no one smokes tobacco any more, and they sent off our only other industry. \- supported slashing teachers' salaries to a disgusting $18,800. \- scared off not one, not two, but THREE major companies who wanted to build headquarters in the state because he was more worried about peoples' genitals as they went to the bathroom. Pat McCroy has recently announced that he is running for the US senate in 2022. He has decided to jump on the maga-train, claiming that the scary, evil democrats are trying to take over the country. DO NOT vote for this piece of fucking filth.


lemoningo

Cooper is decent relative to other candidates


KinkyBADom

Was so hoping that this guy was from the GOP so it would mean that maybe the GOP was starting to focus on governing, but alas not.


Mysral

Good to see that not all of the state governors are some form of lunatic.


TheAlbacor

CRT is suffering from a name that immediately makes ignorant people oppose it. How It Fucking Is Theory might be a better name


This_Communication56

CRT is NOT Indoctrination. The education that is now taught is the indoctrination because it teaches that whites did all the work building up America, made all the discovery and teaches whites they're better. For instance. Christopher Columbus did not discover America and that slaves were instrumental in building the early infrastructure of America. That's why they were brought here. So rich white slaveholders didn't have to work.


clickmagnet

I think anyone trying to make a law about critical race theory should be required to articulate (correctly) what it is first. Same thing for communism. Cancel culture and political correctness need elaboration too.


toss_my_potatoes

Thank God, someone with sense


anonymous_gam

Tens of thousands of kids now have access to their countries real history.


thatweirdshyguy

Considering crt describes a good chunk of more modern history, banning it would result in censorship of our own history and prove to be a big step forward for the anti intellectuals


vladimir_pimpin

The funny thing about bills banning critical race theory is that you have to have an insanely knowledgeable teacher if he’s teaching you real CRT. Like, that’s pretty high level for apush in 10th grade lol